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A Thoroughly Unpleasant Experience
- Thread starter Wharton
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TexansFan99
Noob
I agree. Being from NY, I have attended NY Giants games in cold, snowy, windy conditions. But, the heat yesterday at the Texans game was alot worst.gwallaia said:
TexansFight
Veteran
I agree. It was hot. I think the roof should have been closed.
Our seats were in the direct sun for all of the first quarter and half of the second. It was miserable. However, once we were under the shade, it really wasn't so bad. That being said, I know a considerable number of seats were in direct sunlight throughout the game and I imagine that it was nearly unbearable. I don't know if I could have stayed for the entire game if we hadn't gotten shade during Q2.
Our seats were in the direct sun for all of the first quarter and half of the second. It was miserable. However, once we were under the shade, it really wasn't so bad. That being said, I know a considerable number of seats were in direct sunlight throughout the game and I imagine that it was nearly unbearable. I don't know if I could have stayed for the entire game if we hadn't gotten shade during Q2.
bawlmer-hon
Practice Squad
Could not agree more. My seats were in the sun for entire game. Roof should have been closed... no ifs, ands, or buts. That is why the stadium has a roof.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
I don't know why we are still having roof discussions every week here. You don't ever hear about the roof at Minute Maid Park any more. When it's hot or raining, roof closed. When the weather's nice roof open. END OF STORY!!
I do not understand why the Texans have not been able to grasp this concept going into their 4th year.
I was also one who was in the sun the entire game. Usually I'm yelling, screaming and cheering throughout the game. But the Texans took me out of the game with the stupid decision to leave the roof open. Constantly wiping sweat out my eyes and off my face, burning my back every time I sat back in my seat, don't dare touch anything around you or you'll get burned, sunburn, all of it was absolutely ridiculous. With the sun taking the Texan fans out of the game, it may as well have been a Steeler HOME game.
Now, I'm not one to whine about it. No, I DON'T like the heat. And if they never close the roof, I'll still be there trying to cheer while wiping sweat. The problem is, other than the health issues, you're taking Texan fans out of their seats. Less fans in the seats is less of a home field advantage, IMO.
So let's review.
HOT AND RAIN = ROOF CLOSED
EVERYTHING ELSE = ROOF OPEN
Pretty simple. The Astros get it.
I do not understand why the Texans have not been able to grasp this concept going into their 4th year.
I was also one who was in the sun the entire game. Usually I'm yelling, screaming and cheering throughout the game. But the Texans took me out of the game with the stupid decision to leave the roof open. Constantly wiping sweat out my eyes and off my face, burning my back every time I sat back in my seat, don't dare touch anything around you or you'll get burned, sunburn, all of it was absolutely ridiculous. With the sun taking the Texan fans out of the game, it may as well have been a Steeler HOME game.
Now, I'm not one to whine about it. No, I DON'T like the heat. And if they never close the roof, I'll still be there trying to cheer while wiping sweat. The problem is, other than the health issues, you're taking Texan fans out of their seats. Less fans in the seats is less of a home field advantage, IMO.
So let's review.
HOT AND RAIN = ROOF CLOSED
EVERYTHING ELSE = ROOF OPEN
Pretty simple. The Astros get it.
Bear
Practice Squad
My seats are on the home side and I was burnt by the start of the 2nd. We were all soaking in our own sweat from head to toe. For the 1st time ever, I didn't want a beer at the game; only wanted/needed water.
I have no problem with the roof open after daylight savings time (Oct 30)! By kickoff, everyone on the home side is chillin' in the shade
I have no problem with the roof open after daylight savings time (Oct 30)! By kickoff, everyone on the home side is chillin' in the shade
codymeredith
Practice Squad
Im sure everyone can agree that it was definitely a very hot day at the game.
The Texans made a poor decision they felt would give them home field advantage. Would this topic be as big if we would have won? What if it had been obvious that the Steelers were worn down from the heat?
All of you are acting like they realized how dangerous it was for all the fans during the game but still decided to do nothing about it. Once the decision about whether or not the roof is going to be open has been made the only way that can be changed is by the officiating crew on the field. At kickoff the decision about what happens with the roof is completely out of the Texans hands.
The Texans made a poor decision they felt would give them home field advantage. Would this topic be as big if we would have won? What if it had been obvious that the Steelers were worn down from the heat?
All of you are acting like they realized how dangerous it was for all the fans during the game but still decided to do nothing about it. Once the decision about whether or not the roof is going to be open has been made the only way that can be changed is by the officiating crew on the field. At kickoff the decision about what happens with the roof is completely out of the Texans hands.
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skibumtx
Guest
LMBH said:
Excellent point. I'm from Minnesota and with today's clothing there is no reason to be cold. If you're willing to cover up and be smart you can weather unbelievably low temperatures but the human body can only tolerate so much heat.
I had it easy, I was in the club section on the SW side and could even feel air being moved by the A/C blowing down on us. It was real warm but certainly not unbearable. Sitting in the direct sun, with no moving air would have been unacceptable.............
Ski
texansfan88
Rookie
for all the complainers in the house
why don't any of yall just call capers and complain on sportsradio610 to him?
you guys are out of your mind if you don't think the Texans customer service department do a great job
why don't any of yall just call capers and complain on sportsradio610 to him?
you guys are out of your mind if you don't think the Texans customer service department do a great job
bawlmer-hon
Practice Squad
codymeredith said:
Of course it would be virtually impossible to determine if Steelers were being worn down by the heat, but had the Texans won, I still would have complained about sitting in the broiling sun for 3 hours when there was an alternative. I think 70,000 screaming fans would have been at least as much of a home-field advantage as trying to make them suffer through heat (which our team had to contend with as well). I've read some posts that seem to suggest folks are being wimps, for complaining about the heat, but I have to wonder how many of those folks had seats directly in the sun for the entire game (and stayed in those seats for the entire game). Im a transplant from Milwaukee and then Baltimore and have been to football games in open-air stadiums in sub-freezing temperatures and anyone who has been to those type games and a situation like yesterday will say bring on the cold. Nothing that a down coat and some frantic yelling cannot combat, but what can you do when the sun is beating you down? You can abandon your seats, but whats the point in that. By the way, I called 832-667-2002 and pressed option for PSL representative and lodged a formal complaint. Hopefully if enough folks do the same, us fans will never be faced with such conditions again.
Wharton
Rookie
codymeredith said:
I think we can all agree here that a fans health is more important then a win! Is wearing down the Steelers worth the possibility of a heat related stroke or heart attack to one of the fans?
I started this string without making any comments about game strategy because, quite frankly, this isn't a game strategy, its a health issue.
HomeBred_Texan
Veteran
I have season tickets in the South end zone, aka, the shady end. Let me tell ya, it was hot there too. I cannot even imagine what it was like in the empty seats that were in the sun. I would have left too. If that is the head coaches idea or choice, then no wonder we are losing all our games. Stupid move on whom ever's idea that was. Must have made the decision while sitting in an A/C'd office.....ComstockLode said:
I think the Texans made a huge mistake yesterday, and undid much of the goodwill they've built up over the first three years of the franchise. It's a shame, because I think the organization has done so much that's right and fan-friendly prior to this year.
We received the e-mail last week with the news that the roof would be open, but I really thought that with the forecast for record-breaking heat, the Texans would change their decision. When I saw the roof open, I knew it would be a miserable and dangerous situation.
At the very least, they were ill-prepared to help fans cope with the conditions. How can you run out of water (or sell HOT bottles of water) when you know the temperature in the sun in the seating areas is in excess of 100 degrees?
I am not a fan of indoor football, but I thought the roof should have been closed yesterday. Between the temperature and the team playing like they think it's 2002, it was a lousy day. We got shade at half time, so it became tolerable for the second half, but I actually had to go up to the concourse to cool off a couple times during the first half. The field-level concourse looked like Denver airport in a snowstorm, with people sitting everywhere and watching the game on TV. If people wanted to watch the game on TV, they wouldn't spend money on season tickets. The sad part is, it was totally unnecessary. :brickwall
Reliant Stadium wasn't designed to have any air movement when the temperatures are that high. I was in College Station for the A&M game on Saturday, and was in the sun for about the same length of time as I was yesterday. Even though it was brutally hot Saturday, there is no comparison to the temperature in Reliant yesterday. On Saturday I was able to cope by staying well hydrated. Yesterday I had to seek shade.
Rant/whine over!
We received the e-mail last week with the news that the roof would be open, but I really thought that with the forecast for record-breaking heat, the Texans would change their decision. When I saw the roof open, I knew it would be a miserable and dangerous situation.
At the very least, they were ill-prepared to help fans cope with the conditions. How can you run out of water (or sell HOT bottles of water) when you know the temperature in the sun in the seating areas is in excess of 100 degrees?
I am not a fan of indoor football, but I thought the roof should have been closed yesterday. Between the temperature and the team playing like they think it's 2002, it was a lousy day. We got shade at half time, so it became tolerable for the second half, but I actually had to go up to the concourse to cool off a couple times during the first half. The field-level concourse looked like Denver airport in a snowstorm, with people sitting everywhere and watching the game on TV. If people wanted to watch the game on TV, they wouldn't spend money on season tickets. The sad part is, it was totally unnecessary. :brickwall
Reliant Stadium wasn't designed to have any air movement when the temperatures are that high. I was in College Station for the A&M game on Saturday, and was in the sun for about the same length of time as I was yesterday. Even though it was brutally hot Saturday, there is no comparison to the temperature in Reliant yesterday. On Saturday I was able to cope by staying well hydrated. Yesterday I had to seek shade.
Rant/whine over!
HomeBred_Texan
Veteran
That's easy to say coming from a 17 year old who was sitting at his Daddy's home in the air conditioning drinking Kool-aid. Get in the heat with us at the game and see if your comments dont change.... Until then, shut up...texansfan88 said:
The afternoon guys on 610 were talking about this. Rich said they set off some fireworks or something and the smoke just settled in the stadium. Marc said there is no breeze or air circulation in the stadium which makes it different from other "hot weather" stadiums.
It sounds dangerous when people are passing out.
It sounds dangerous when people are passing out.
ComstockLode
Waterboy
Sco-tai said:
Just maybe, being a packer fan is alot easier than being a texas football fan. I doubt our fans would be as fickle if we won as many super bowls as they had.
Another quick question, how many football players die a year because they practice in the cold? Now compare that to football players dieing in the heat. It was dangerous for players to even be playing in an oven like last night.
It was an oven. The sun baked down on the fans, and we had no breeze or even water to buy. It cost 7 dollars to get a hot water and a cup of ice.
The stadium actually stunk whenever I made it into the concourse at halftime. My shorts were even soaked with sweat, and I am 20 years old and in good shape. I can only imagine the fans who dress up.
I have never ever been in the bullpen when it was so quiet. It was dead. Everyone left. No one could take it. There were more empty seats in the second quarter, then their were filled seats.
It would be one thing if we had an open stadium where hot air could escape, and a breeze could make it through. But we have a tiny hole in the roof compared to most open stadiums.
Sat through the whole game however, and I burned nicely. It looks like I still have a shirt on when I take it off.
Either way, this does not need to happen again.
This isnt lambeau, this was a new field built for comfort. If not someone could have saved a couple 100 mill for the price of having a retractable roof.
bawlmer-hon
Practice Squad
aj. said:
I would venture to guess complaints about roof being closed are not nearly as numerous or vehement as roof being open under a broiling sun. I would further speculate no one ever passed out because the roof was closed. Perhaps for some perspective Mr. Wyllie should sit in a seat getting direct sunlight in Reliant stadium for about 3 ½ hours any day the temperature exceeds 95 degrees. Then perhaps he could assist the organization with making an informed and intelligent decision.
ComstockLode
Waterboy
bawlmer-hon said:
They are too busy drinking champagne and sitting in an air conditioned luxury box to give a flying ****
I agree, the value of the seat and ability to support the team are injured. To assume that in this era that the heat has significantly greater impact on the visiting team is not accurate. If the heat index is above 80, keep it closed. If you look at he stands on any game with the roof open, those seats in the sun are empty. Wake-up, or we all will lose.Wharton said:I'm going to say "sorry for the flame" up front but I didn't see anything on the message board about this and I am sure others would agree with me.
WHEN THE HEAT INDEX IS OVER 90, CLOSE THE ROOF!!!!!!
According to Yahoo weather, the temperature was 93 at 4:30 (after the game) with a high of 95. There is no telling what the heat index was during the game. Particularly, given there is little to no breeze in the stadium.
One of the fans seated two rows in front of me passed out!! During half time, I saw another guy being carted off on a stretcher with an IV in his arm. As for myself, I spent the second half in an air conditioned part of the stadium near the smokers area and watched the second half on the TV. This is not the way I want to spend my games.
Again, I am sorry for the flame, but I do not know of a better way to get this point across to management.
Sign if you agree.
HoustonHarley
Noob
I honestly do not know how I didn't pass out! I had to work all night long the night before and had not had even a wink of sleep. I was a walking zombie, arriving to the stadium. Thank god I am in the South Endzone or I would have just went home. Even in the shade it was miserable. I can't imagine how it was in the bullpen. I guess that is another reason it was empty just before halftime.
Wharton
Rookie
Here is a quote from an article on the Houston Chronicle's web site.
"We receive complaints when the roof is open, and we also receive complaints when the roof is closed," said Tony Wyllie, the Texans vice president of communications. "Moving forward, we will consider the fans' comfort when deciding whether the roof will be open or closed."
Personally, I thought the article by the Chronicle and the comments by the Texans Tony Wyllie were both pretty lame! Here are a few questions that should have been answered in the article
So what is a comfortable temperature, 70, 80, 90, or 100?
Who makes that decision, Capers, Casserly, Tony Wyllie?
I saw one person get carted out on a stretcher, were there more? How many?
What did the Health Department have to say about it?
What did the EMS Director have to say about it?
I just love it when bureaucrats get specific and journalist let them off the hook.
Well, thanks for the article, but next time, put a little heart into it or at least come sit with me in the bleachers and feel the heat baby!
Here is the address of the article:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3360948
"We receive complaints when the roof is open, and we also receive complaints when the roof is closed," said Tony Wyllie, the Texans vice president of communications. "Moving forward, we will consider the fans' comfort when deciding whether the roof will be open or closed."
Personally, I thought the article by the Chronicle and the comments by the Texans Tony Wyllie were both pretty lame! Here are a few questions that should have been answered in the article
So what is a comfortable temperature, 70, 80, 90, or 100?
Who makes that decision, Capers, Casserly, Tony Wyllie?
I saw one person get carted out on a stretcher, were there more? How many?
What did the Health Department have to say about it?
What did the EMS Director have to say about it?
I just love it when bureaucrats get specific and journalist let them off the hook.
Well, thanks for the article, but next time, put a little heart into it or at least come sit with me in the bleachers and feel the heat baby!
Here is the address of the article:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3360948
HomeBred_Texan
Veteran
I would say the complaints on the roof being closed are due to all the smoke lingering around after they shoot off the fireworks. Hey I got a solution for that. Stop setting off fireworks. We don't need them nor an announcer yelling, "it's another Texans" wanting us to yell "First Down". After the 2nd time he did that, it was old. Hopefully we dont have to yell that all 6 times a game....Wharton said:
This is really a no-brainer issue to me.
Use some common sense Texans. When it's very hot you don't take chances with the health and safety of your customers.
You built a roof that affords comfort to people in inclement weather. So close it when the weather is boiling hot or raining. PERIOD.
Personally for me if a team is thinking they are going to gain some kind of advantage over the visiting team because their jersey's may be a little warmer you have issues right from the start. Just play ball, take care of your customers that pay big bucks to come watch you and you will make everybody happy!
Use some common sense Texans. When it's very hot you don't take chances with the health and safety of your customers.
You built a roof that affords comfort to people in inclement weather. So close it when the weather is boiling hot or raining. PERIOD.
Personally for me if a team is thinking they are going to gain some kind of advantage over the visiting team because their jersey's may be a little warmer you have issues right from the start. Just play ball, take care of your customers that pay big bucks to come watch you and you will make everybody happy!
TxDavid
Veteran
I'm up in 546 (the shaded side) and I was fine up there. I did venture down in mid third quarter to visit some friends and stayed awhile since there were tons of empty seats due to the heat - unbeknownst to me because I was up in A/C land.. I stayed in the BullPen for the entire 4th quarter.
By the time I left the stadium I started to suffer from heat exhaustion. I drank 3 bottles of water when I got back to the tailgate and stoped to eat on the way home. AND THIS WAS ONLY ONE QUARTER OF SUN/HEAT EXPOSURE!!!!
The reason for the retractable roof was for the fans - not for the team. It's our stadium - we paid for it. Close the roof when it's dangerously hot! Use some sense!
By the time I left the stadium I started to suffer from heat exhaustion. I drank 3 bottles of water when I got back to the tailgate and stoped to eat on the way home. AND THIS WAS ONLY ONE QUARTER OF SUN/HEAT EXPOSURE!!!!
The reason for the retractable roof was for the fans - not for the team. It's our stadium - we paid for it. Close the roof when it's dangerously hot! Use some sense!
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
As I mentioned before, when then Enron Field opened in 2000, there was a lot of talk about the roof, the same as we have here. The Astros have simply decided, when it's hot or it's raining, the roof is closed. When the weather is nice, roof open. Sure, the complaints continued for awhile, but now you never hear anyone talking about the roof at MMP.aj. said:
The Texans just need to do this as well. They'll get complaints for awhile from those "football was meant to be outdoors" people, but it will go away if you stick with it.
HOT OR RAIN = ROOF CLOSED
EVERYTHING ELSE = ROOF OPEN
HomeBred_Texan
Veteran
LOL, and we all know how often it snows here. But yes, if it snows on game day, leave the dang roof open. The flakes coming from the sky will be more entertaining....TxDavid said:So we can leave it open when it snows? Excellent!
LBC_Justin
Rookie
I agree with you. I was all for leaving the roof open w/ the steelers being in black and Texans in white. I thought it was a good idea in theory. I guess it didn't work in reality. It sounds way way too hot.Texans_Chick said:
I would rather have the fans into the game, than the heat.
Hard for me to relate, I haven't been in the Texas summer heat for 3 years, it is sunny and 70 degrees every day where I live, when it gets into the 80's I think it is too hot now (Sad i know).
Historyhorn
Waterboy
I too heard that the reason for the roof is the rodeo. The roof does give you the opportunity for the best of both worlds. Quasi-outdoor football when the weather is nice and protection from dangerous elements when it is not.
As to the whole advantage thing....If you have a better team, you can usually outplay and wear the opposition down regardless of what jersey they wear and where they come from geographically. The thing that makes the home-field advatage is the noise and energy from the fans in addition to not having the travel hassels.
I'm in the corner of leaving the roof closed if the weather is not pleasant. Open it up if it is nice outside.
Go Texans
As to the whole advantage thing....If you have a better team, you can usually outplay and wear the opposition down regardless of what jersey they wear and where they come from geographically. The thing that makes the home-field advatage is the noise and energy from the fans in addition to not having the travel hassels.
I'm in the corner of leaving the roof closed if the weather is not pleasant. Open it up if it is nice outside.
Go Texans
SassyTexan said:
hmmmmm, I've always been under the impression that engineers built the stadium to maximize enjoyment of both football and rodeo events. Even in all the media hoopla, it was advertised as such...being a "state-of-the-art" football stadium complex and all. Is all that only marketing?
What would be the difference of a "pure" football stadium and Reliant? Outside of the retractable roof part of the deal, it seems to me that the seating is excellent for football. It's even advertised as having the closest spectator-to-action ratio of any of the current stadiums.
I'm not disputing what you're saying, as I have no doubt that the rodeo is the biggest tenant, just judging by events alone (like three weeks of rodeo vs. 10 Texans football games).
I'm just curious what details we are missing out on that other "pure" football stadiums enjoy (other than any kind of natural wind draft
).My guess is no better than yours as to what would be if we had a FOOTBALL ONLY stadium in Houston, but to listen to everyone and their thoughts on the 'hole in the roof' .. seems like many would like this:
But the new and future stadiums around the league seem to have their sights on looking more like Reliant, with the similar retractable roof..
and they don't have rodeos to dictate the design.
But the new and future stadiums around the league seem to have their sights on looking more like Reliant, with the similar retractable roof..
and they don't have rodeos to dictate the design.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Well I hope everyone that whined about the Pittsburgh game is happy. We are now an indoor stadium team...to the extent you call what they field a team. If we had won against Pittsburgh y'all all would have been so proud of contributing to homefield advantage. Instead, we can't enjoy beautiful fall days, flyovers or anything prior to the "team" taking the field because of some folks who just figured out they live in Texas. Thanks.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
infantrycak said:
I think the real sad part about this is that not only are the Texans clueless where football matters are concerned but they're also incapable of telling the difference between the weather today (great time to open the roof) and the weather during the Pittsburgh game (How do you like your fans? Medium Rare sound good?)
Well, I guess the bright side of it is that our crowd noise can be a homefield advantage (and it's louder with the roof closed)...of course, Texans have to give us something to cheer about first...
But today would have been perfect for an open roof. Too bad.
But today would have been perfect for an open roof. Too bad.
L
lucky13
Guest
LMBH said:
the "logic" was mcnair pockets the $ from not turrning on the AC.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
They should have shut the roof for Pittsburg....all week we knew it was going to be hot as heck and even the coaches were talking about it (why this was in the hands of Capers to start with was ridiculous). Closing the roof Sunday was sheer overreaction from the Texans since it was a beautiful day. We can't trust them to make good decisions in year four for some reason. It's just amazing.Hervoyel said:
Wharton
Rookie
infantrycak said:
I know I'm happy! In this instance, if a mistake is going to be made, I would rather error on the side of caution. I would rather miss a beautiful day under a roof then jeopardize someones health. Having people carted out on a stretcher is not a good thing.
Having said that, I would have preferred to have the roof open yesterday as well.
nflnutswife
Veteran
infantrycak said:
TexansFan99
Noob
I dug up the letter we got. It said "Specifically, when the game day forecast calls for sunny skies and temperatures in the mid-80s or higher, the roof will likely be closed for the game".
The actual temperature yesterday was in the low-80s. But, I don't want to nitpick the Texans about the roof...they have other problems....
The actual temperature yesterday was in the low-80s. But, I don't want to nitpick the Texans about the roof...they have other problems....