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Does any one have Carrs and DD 40 times from the combine or pro-day just was wondering how they compered to this years draftys numbers
 
Domanick ran a 4.63 40 yard sprint at the combine in '03.

David Carr didn't run at the combine, but ran a 4.79 40 yard sprint at his pro day in '02.

Davis Link

Carr Link
 
Carr's speed is one of his most unnoticed physical qualities. Sure he has a great arm and good accuracy, but IMO he is one of the more mobile QBs in the league. He is actually quite fast and thats why i think the texans should roll him outside of the pocket more often. BTW, do any of yall remember the texans-saints game in '03 when Carr completely juked out Jay Bellamy for a touchdown? :thumbup
 
yeah i'm sure Davids time improved more in the 40 yrd dash from his younger days, i mean geez he runs more than our running back !
 
BuffSoldier said:
But he ran a 4.56 at his pro day, read above if you havent already.
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Well, the combine numbers are considered to be more accurate than pro day numbers because they're electronically timed. There were probably a dozen scouts who timed DD on his pro day. Whose watch timed him at 4.56?
 
Lucky said:
Well, the combine numbers are considered to be more accurate than pro day numbers because they're electronically timed. There were probably a dozen scouts who timed DD on his pro day. Whose watch timed him at 4.56?
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Regardless of whether it was a 4.51 or 4.63, it just kind of cracks me up that 40 times and speed are discussed as they are. People that love Williams will discount his 4.6 40 yd time and call him a playmaker and people that don't like DD will cite his 4.51 time and say he is too slow to be a threat as a RB. Maybe that kind of thing only amuses me.
 
infantrycak said:
...it just kind of cracks me up that 40 times and speed are discussed as they are.
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It's crazy. That's the reason I responded to the post. If Carr & Davis can run so-so times, then how important can these tests be? Then a guy points out a 0.07 second discrepency between two 40 yard sprints. Like there's a huge difference between 4.56 vs. 4.63 seconds. Please, you can't even blink in 0.07 seconds.
 
Vinnie333 said:
Carr's speed is one of his most unnoticed physical qualities. Sure he has a great arm and good accuracy, but IMO he is one of the more mobile QBs in the league. He is actually quite fast and thats why i think the texans should roll him outside of the pocket more often. BTW, do any of yall remember the texans-saints game in '03 when Carr completely juked out Jay Bellamy for a touchdown? :thumbup
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Yeah, and that was on a bad ankle sprain too!
 
oh ya thats right.. i forgot about the ankle sprain. that was one of my all time favorite carr moments lol. just to see a white guy juke that good.
 
infantrycak said:
Regardless of whether it was a 4.51 or 4.63, it just kind of cracks me up that 40 times and speed are discussed as they are.
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I could have swore I saw you use a forty time in an effort to derail a bandwagon. :rolleyes:
 
BornOrange said:
40 times should be recorded with pads and helmet.
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QB's should be timed while being chased by DE's. Offensive Linemen should be timed chasing pizzas. :)
 
wags said:
I could have swore I saw you use a forty time in an effort to derail a bandwagon. :rolleyes:
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You must be talking about this:

As an FYI to the Thomas Davis bandwagon, he turned in a 4.65 40 yd time at the combine.

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As a reminder Babin turned in a 4.64 last year.

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I call that poking fun at the bandwagon.

In any event, my real point in this thread was not that 40 times are completely useless, but more that people are completely inconsistant on how they use them (plus as Lucky says, some people split the hair way too fine). It is like the inconsistancy people have on weights with statements like DD (220 lbs) is too small to be an every down RB, we need a guy like Portis (205 lbs).
 
40 times are very meaningful for certain positions: RB, WR, CB. For example, D.Davis is a pretty descent back, but instead of being a 4.6 something guy, can you imagine how much more of a thread he'd be if he was a 4.4 guy. 2 tenths of a second is a 2 stride margin in a 40 yard sprint and with football being a game of inches, DD goes all the way as a 4.4 guy on some plays where he in reality as a 4.6 guy he's tackled from behind. As a 4.6-4.7 guy most DBs and many LBs are => than him as far as sprinter speed goes, but as an imaginary 4.4 guy, he outruns virtually all LBs and many DBs.
On the other hand, where one OL is 4.9 and another is 5.2 - pretty meaningless.
 
nunusguy said:
...can you imagine how much more of a thread he'd be if he was a 4.4 guy.
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You mean a 4.4 guy like Tony Hollings? Speed is important, no question. But it's how you play & use your speed on the field that counts. And I really question how much can be derived by guys running in their shorts in a straight line for 40 yards. It's a very uncommon occurance in a football game. I believe the information can be used by NFL teams to help sort out some questions about prospects. But by itself in the hands of fans & internet scouts, the 40 times are blown completely out of proportion.
 
Lucky said:
You mean a 4.4 guy like Tony Hollings? Speed is important, no question. But it's how you play & use your speed on the field that counts. And I really question how much can be derived by guys running in their shorts in a straight line for 40 yards. It's a very uncommon occurance in a football game. I believe the information can be used by NFL teams to help sort out some questions about prospects. But by itself in the hands of fans & internet scouts, the 40 times are blown completely out of proportion.
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You're right, speed in and of itself is not that big a deal. If it were, all the NFL scouts would need to do when it came to drafting players ffor speed critical positions (RB, WR, etc.), would be to consult the finish in the NCAA
100 & 200 meter sprints (and the 60 indoor), to decide who to draft for these
positions in April.
My point is, if you add that dimension of being pretty damn fast to a RB who
has ordinary sprinter speed (and 4.6-4.7 is ordinary if not inferior), he becomes a much greater threat and thereffor a much more valuable player for his team.
As far as Hollings - I can't defend the decision to draft him with or without his speed. What can I say, we all make mistakes and I'm afraid Cass made a
whopper with that pick.
 
infantrycak said:
People that love Williams will discount his 4.6 40 yd time and call him a playmaker and people that don't like DD will cite his 4.51 time and say he is too slow to be a threat as a RB. Maybe that kind of thing only amuses me.
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By "Williams" do you mean Ricky Williams? If so the difference is that Ricky is a bigger back that can run through people. Ricky Williams is superior to DD on the field. Off the field is an entirely different matter. Anyone need a hit?
 
TheOgre said:
By "Williams" do you mean Ricky Williams? If so the difference is that Ricky is a bigger back that can run through people. Ricky Williams is superior to DD on the field. Off the field is an entirely different matter. Anyone need a hit?
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Should have been clearer in my post--I was talking about Mike Williams.
 
Rating the wide receivers

By Gil Brandt
Special to NFL.com

4. Jabar Gaffney, Florida (6-1 1/8, 193, 4.49 on grass)
Did not work out at the combine other than the participating in the shuttle and cone drills. Ran two 40s (4.48 and 4.49) on grass at Pro Day. Had a 36½-inch vertical jump and a 9-foot, 10-inch long jump. High-school football player who caught the game winning pass in the 1997 State Championship Game as a wide receiver. Redshirted in 1999. Started eight games in 2000 and set NCAA Div. I-A freshman record for touchdowns as a wide receiver with 14. Also set NCAA record for yards gained by a freshman. Tremendous athlete with very good hands. Does a very good job adjusting to the ball. Has great body control, fluid and has outstanding ability to gain yards after the catch.
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http://ww2.nfl.com/draft/2002/WR_ratings.html
 
BuffSoldier said:
Wow, I would have guessed Jabar ran a like a 4.55. It doesnt seem like he runs that fast on the field.
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not trying to make fun. but thats only a 6 one hundreths of a second. that would be pretty hard to notice.
 
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