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3rd Round (90th pick): Jonathan Greenard, OLB

steelbtexan

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So doing so, consideration has to be made as to what performance is reached after injury. Most importantly is how do the injuries affect his future.

His wrist dislocation occurred after he was pushed out of the sidelines and landed awkwardly trying to break his fall. The high ankle sprain was suffered after his foot was stepped on. He has come back strong from both.
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LOL yeah NIKE is really hurting for money with the testing system they tour the country with every single year.

Most of the major college programs in the country “encourage” athletes to attend one before they get an offer so they can get accurate measurements.

It’s seriously like a series of mini high school football combines.
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Good to see you back , man.

How's it been going
The wife and I had a baby boy. 6 months old this week. Not much else going on in sports with the virus. How about yourself?

I didn’t do any research for the draft, but Greenard is one of the guys I noticed all season so I think we got a guy who’s got a chance. I’m glad we were able to get him because it is probably the position where we need an upgrade the most, atleast top 3.
 

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The wife and I had a baby boy. 6 months old this week. Not much else going on in sports with the virus. How about yourself?

I didn’t do any research for the draft, but Greenard is one of the guys I noticed all season so I think we got a guy who’s got a chance. I’m glad we were able to get him because it is probably the position where we need an upgrade the most, atleast top 3.
Congrats on the baby boy. I guess you're not getting much sleep now. LOL

Everything is going well, my business is considered essential personnel. How about you, are you able to work? You're in Real Estate if I remember correctly.

On Greenard, he's going to be a huge upgrade over Scarlett if he can stay healthy. This man plays angry and is very strong. He can set an edge and has a little pass rush ability. He has a good up and under move and can bend the edge but isn't explosive as a pass rusher. If he can learn a spin move he can become an even better pass rusher. He's got tools in the toolbox to become a long time starter and very solid player for a long time.
 

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Congrats on the baby boy. I guess you're not getting much sleep now. LOL

Everything is going well, my business is considered essential personnel. How about you, are you able to work? You're in Real Estate if I remember correctly.

On Greenard, he's going to be a huge upgrade over Scarlett if he can stay healthy. This man plays angry and is very strong. He can set an edge and has a little pass rush ability. He has a good up and under move and can bend the edge but isn't explosive as a pass rusher. If he can learn a spin move he can become an even better pass rusher. He's got tools in the toolbox to become a long time starter and very solid player for a long time.
That’s good to hear about your business. I work for a small hospitality group that manages resorts and hotels. We primarily operate out of the Keys. It’s been a real struggle so far, but we are surviving.

Greenard is probably not going to be a high sack guy early, but I think he can do as you said and set the edge, be strong at the LOS, and play assignment football right away. I expect him to play a lot.
 

RGV82

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That’s good to hear about your business. I work for a small hospitality group that manages resorts and hotels. We primarily operate out of the Keys. It’s been a real struggle so far, but we are surviving.

Greenard is probably not going to be a high sack guy early, but I think he can do as you said and set the edge, be strong at the LOS, and play assignment football right away. I expect him to play a lot.
He has been praised by numerous reports for his play against the run but needs improvement at the NFL level against the pass. I expect him to play a fair amount rotating in his first year.
 

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The wife and I had a baby boy. 6 months old this week. Not much else going on in sports with the virus. How about yourself?

I didn’t do any research for the draft, but Greenard is one of the guys I noticed all season so I think we got a guy who’s got a chance. I’m glad we were able to get him because it is probably the position where we need an upgrade the most, atleast top 3.
Congratulations on your son! Can he play left tackle or quarterback?
 
35 inch arms makes 22 reps a very good number.

Otisbean can speak better about this than I ever could.
Short arms equal a shorter distance between chest and lockout. Longer arms, that is the reverse. Which is why if you have longer arms dumbbell presses work better. I'm a certified trainer but that's the basic idea. Making it at times easier to do more reps with (example) 12" arms vs 22". About 75% or more of the time it's true.
 
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With long arms and the bench press, as stated above, there’s more distance to push therefore each rep is literally more work for the long armed lifter. Additionally, and this is the main issue in my eyes, there’s the length tension relationship of muscles to contend with. The more a muscle is stretched the less force it can develop. So, as an athlete with longer arms brings the bar to his chest, there’s more stretch, therefore it’s harder to develop force.

As bah007 said, the 225 for reps test is more endurance than power. I’d like to take a blocking sled and attach some type of load cell or accelerometer to it and have linemen fire out into the sled to full extension. You’d have a reading of the force put into the sled and it’d give you a good idea of the kind of pop an athlete has.
 

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Short arms equal a shorter distance between chest and lockout. Longer arms, that is the reverse. Which is why if you have longer arms dumbbell presses work better. I'm a certified trainer but that's the basic idea. Making it at times easier to do more reps with (example) 12" arms vs 22". About 75% or more of the time it's true.
With long arms and the bench press, as stated above, there’s more distance to push therefore each rep is literally more work for the long armed lifter. Additionally, and this is the main issue in my eyes, there’s the length tension relationship of muscles to contend with. The more a muscle is stretched the less force it can develop. So, as an athlete with longer arms brings the bar to his chest, there’s more stretch, therefore it’s harder to develop force.

As bah007 said, the 225 for reps test is more endurance than power. I’d like to take a blocking sled and attach some type of load cell or accelerometer to it and have linemen fire out into the sled to full extension. You’d have a reading of the force put into the sled and it’d give you a good idea of the kind of pop an athlete has.
A classic example of desirable lever lengths and body proportions in powerlifting is Andrzej Stanaszek of Poland. By definition, Stanaszek is a dwarf, having extremely short arms and legs. However, in a 2003 meet, he set world records by squatting 662.5 pounds and bench pressing 402.3 pounds . . . at a bodyweight of 114.

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RGV82

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I really wanted Jaylon Ferguson in last year’s draft but he came off the board just before the Texans took Warring. Greenard is just as good a prospect imo.
I find it funny you bring up Jaylon Ferguson, as his first career sack was on Deshaun Watson last year, lol.
 
With long arms and the bench press, as stated above, there’s more distance to push therefore each rep is literally more work for the long armed lifter. Additionally, and this is the main issue in my eyes, there’s the length tension relationship of muscles to contend with. The more a muscle is stretched the less force it can develop. So, as an athlete with longer arms brings the bar to his chest, there’s more stretch, therefore it’s harder to develop force.

As bah007 said, the 225 for reps test is more endurance than power. I’d like to take a blocking sled and attach some type of load cell or accelerometer to it and have linemen fire out into the sled to full extension. You’d have a reading of the force put into the sled and it’d give you a good idea of the kind of pop an athlete has.
Exactly. Now, there are ways to make it closer to equal length. But, at the combine they don't have time to custom set up the bench for each person.
 


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