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2nd Round Pick?

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I'm sure this has been asked multiple times but I actually tried to figure it out last night and couldn't. Who SHOULD we take with that high 2?

We need OL but it's so deep, we can get a good one in the 3rd. (Scott, Whitworth, Colledge, etc..)

We could use a TE. If Pope's there, maybe we reach but again, we can get a good one in the 3rd. (Fasano, Thomas, Kloppenstein, Byrd, etc..)

We need a safety but I don't really value one here to draft.

We NEED another corner and there's a good chance a Cromartie or the likes could fall.
We NEED another MLB and D'Qwell Jackson would be a great pick here...but is it a little too high? D'Qwell is one my picks!

What if Sinorice Moss is there? WOW! That would be hard to pass even though he's a complete non-need. Do we take a road-grader in Max Gean-Gilles even though he may not be the 'kind' of player that our system uses? What about Nick Mangold? Flanagan gets hurt you have your center, otherwise, he can move to guard.

Anyway, I just can't get a grip on the 'need' here. If it were me, and one of the top corners were there (Tye Hill, Cromartie, Jennings) I'd go CB. Otherwise, I'd like to get a Gilles, Winston, or Mangold here... Heck, Bush could HIDE behind Big Max!!

THoughts?
 
We won't take a WR or a TE because we just signed Moulds and Putzier. I think we take a CB unless all of the good ones are taken, then we will take Winston if available
 
CB would be the best position to take here, because there are 5 first rd. quality CB's and it is a critical position. J. Joseph, A. Cromartie, T. Hill, J. Williams, and J. Allen one of them has to be available in the second rd. I mean there are alot of other guys that could fall to our pick, but more than likely one of these guys would be there and whoever is there would be an incredible help. Sorry, I think linebacker could be addressed in the third rd. LB's usually fall on D-day.
 
if i was a betting man, i would have to say

With the #33 pick in the 2006 nfl draft, the houston texans select

Donte Whitner-SS, University of South Carolina. Just a hunch
 
swtbound07 said:
if i was a betting man, i would have to say

With the #33 pick in the 2006 nfl draft, the houston texans select

Donte Whitner-SS, University of South Carolina. Just a hunch
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Why another SS isn't FS what we need, and correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it likely that he might be there in the third?
 
dat_boy_yec said:
Why another SS isn't FS what we need, and correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it likely that he might be there in the third?
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im not arguing the merits of the pick....just a hunch on my part. Take it with a grain of salt, and take it for what its worth. Maybe a little birdie told me.
 
CB.

It is the biggest immediate need, unless people believe that P-Buc has spent the entire off season growing a pair.

That and there should be some genuine quality left on the board.
 
Not Popular - I like Putzier and think he'll fit fine. But if you get a chance to get a 6'7" speedy TE who can block AND catch? You gotta think about it.

Not Popular - I know that Big Max probably doesn't fit our style but this guy can plow the road. Throw him in with an OT from the 3rd and we're looking pretty good. Seriously, if you added Gean-Gilles AND Colledge to your right side - sounds nice!

Popular - If Kubiak feels that Winston has the footwork, he may indeed be the pick here.

However, any chance of trading your 2nd and your 3rd to move up with old pal Shanahan to 15 and take your choice of CB's? Probably too high a price to pay for a corner though??!!
 
If Winston is there at #33 take him and combined with Bush selection you have a great draft no matter who else you pick.
 
Since we all know that the Texans will probably draft Reggie in the first round, who do you think we should draft in the 2nd? Looking at some of the mock drafts, it looks like the following players may be available (depending on which mock draft you believe). I hope it is someone from this list, preferably O-Line, Defensive End or LB. Also feel free to add any name that is not on this list.

TE - Leonard Pope (Georgia)
T - Daryn Colledge - (Boise)
T - Marcus McNeal (Auburn)
G - Max Jean-Gilles (Georgia)
G - Davis Joseph (oklahoma)
G - Duce Lutui (USC)
DE - Daryl Tapp (Va. Tech)
DE - Tamba Hali (Penn St.)
DE - Manny Lawson (NC St.)
LB - D'Qwell Jackson (Maryland)
LB - Bobby Carpenter (Ohio St.)
CB - Antonio Cromartie (Florida St.)
CB - Kelly Jennings (Miami)
S - Ko Simpson (S. Carolina)
S - Darnell Bing (USC)
 
I personally like E. Winston out of miami, if he dropped that far. I also like jonathon joseph, CB, from S. Carolina. as well.
 
Just off of your list, (which actually is not great)

dwilt72 said:
TE - Leonard Pope (Georgia)
T - Daryn Colledge - (Boise)
T - Marcus McNeal (Auburn)
G - Max Jean-Gilles (Georgia)
G - Davis Joseph (oklahoma)
G - Duce Lutui (USC)
DE - Daryl Tapp (Va. Tech)
DE - Tamba Hali (Penn St.)
DE - Manny Lawson (NC St.)
LB - D'Qwell Jackson (Maryland)
LB - Bobby Carpenter (Ohio St.)
CB - Antonio Cromartie (Florida St.)
CB - Kelly Jennings (Miami)
S - Ko Simpson (S. Carolina)
S - Darnell Bing (USC)
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The bolded players are the only ones who deserve to be picked that early, and who would fit our system. Work on your list if you want to propose a question like this.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
Just off of your list, (which actually is not great)



The bolded players are the only ones who deserve to be picked that early, and who would fit our system. Work on your list if you want to propose a question like this.
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Wow. TE - Leonard Pope (Georgia), T - Marcus McNeal (Auburn), G - Max Jean-Gilles (Georgia), and DE - Tamba Hali (Penn St.) could go that early as well if not already off the board.
 
If Pope was available I would be tempted to bite, but I think the Texans should draft a tackle or defensive secondary. We already picked up TE during Free Agency.

The Texans should take E. Winstorn or Ko Simpson. I think Winston could fit well in Kubes' system since he is a tackle who used to play tight end, and he would be a good replacement for the right side of the line next year. However, the Texans look real shaky in the defensive secondary, and we play some great receiver tandems in the AFC South. KO Simpson could have an immediate impact. It's down to those two, and while I've always leaned towards tackle, lately I'm leaning towards Safety.
 
I like in the second the offensive line. Its strong and we can get 1st round talent. I think any line position really because although flanagan and weigart and mckinney got the inside maned for a year or two none of them are a long term solution. Thus i'd take a Mangold because come on Flanagan is 33 and injury prone. I'd take Deuce Latui or Eric Winston if they were available. Daryn Colledge would be a good LT prospect but it might be kinda high for him. I dont think we need a RT prospect.

If we dont go offensive line i'd like D'Qwell Jackson at the MLB spot because once again we only have a stopgap at that position.

although if Antonio Cromartie is available it would be hard to pass on him. With him and Bush we would walk out of the draft with the 2 most athletic players in the draft and that is always a good thing.
 
dwilt72 said:
Since we all know that the Texans will probably draft Reggie in the first round, who do you think we should draft in the 2nd? Looking at some of the mock drafts, it looks like the following players may be available (depending on which mock draft you believe). I hope it is someone from this list, preferably O-Line, Defensive End or LB. Also feel free to add any name that is not on this list.

TE - Leonard Pope (Georgia) I'd consider him at #33 if a lot of other people are gone
T - Daryn Colledge - (Boise) Probably too high for him, but a slight consideration here
T - Marcus McNeal (Auburn) I don't think he fits our system as well as Colledge but he has more overall talent, so decent consideration here
G - Max Jean-Gilles (Georgia) Absolutely not. He won't go quite this high and is the farthest thing from a zone-blocking scheme guy in this draft
G - Davis Joseph (oklahoma) Possibly a little high, I'd definitely think about him depending on who else is available
G - Duce Lutui (USC) Doesn't fit our system either and is not worth this high of a pick anyways
DE - Daryl Tapp (Va. Tech) Not even close to being worth this high of a pick
DE - Tamba Hali (Penn St.) Maybe, not especially fond of him
DE - Manny Lawson (NC St.) I doubt he falls out of the 1st, and we have enough OLB on our team but he is a nice prospect in general
LB - D'Qwell Jackson (Maryland) Don't want to take a LB this high, but he's the best MLB available
LB - Bobby Carpenter (Ohio St.) MLB is a bigger need than OLB but he's good enough I'd definitely consider him if available
CB - Antonio Cromartie (Florida St.) Definitely think about him if he's available
CB - Kelly Jennings (Miami) No way with this pick, don't need a PBuc clone anyways
S - Ko Simpson (S. Carolina) Not real fond of taking a FS this high and not real fond of him either, and he's falling on a lot of boards
S - Darnell Bing (USC) More of a bigger SS type like Roy Williams, we need more of a FS, but he's a nice player
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Additions to the list:
Eric Winston - won't fall but I'll put him on here anyways
Nick Mangold - if he somehow falls
Johnathan Joseph - won't fall but I'll add him anyways
Ashton Youboty - if he falls
Donte Whitner - would be higher on my list than Ko or Bing
Daneil Bullocks - below Whitner but right there with Ko on my list
 
Who would be better suited for out team and scheme if both eric winston and marcus mcneil were both available at the 33 spot??? or who would you rather pick if it isnt one of these two and why??
 
Would have to go with Winston,only 1 inch shorter,about 30 lbs. lighter but extremely quick for his size 6'6 5/8 310.Would fit perfect in the zone blocking scheme IMO. if neither were available if you stay with the OL i think you look at Mangold C or Eslinger C both are outstanding centers and fit well in our new system. If we were to Defense I would look at D'Quell Jackson @ ILB who could convert to OLB which would be good considering Wong is pretty much out for 5-8 weeks,he is quick plays sideline to sideline and is good in coverage,or we could go after a CB Cromartie or Joseph both excellent cover men and good against the run or look at S with Donte Whitner if he falls to the 2nd, Playmaker with good instincts and can hit.Jason Allen S,Daniel Bullocks,Darnell Bing or Ko Simpson all Safeties that can play the position are quick,good instincts, and hard hitters,that play good against the run. Alot of options here at #33 I think we are in a good position at #1, and #33.:redtowel:
 
sprtsfanatic said:
Who would be better suited for out team and scheme if both eric winston and marcus mcneil were both available at the 33 spot??? or who would you rather pick if it isnt one of these two and why??
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I think McNeill might have better technique and such and is probably rated higher on many boards, but Winston is definitely the more athletic of the two, and I think he is the better fit for a zone blocking scheme. I think Daryn Colledge, while not near as talented as McNeill, is more athletic and possibly a better fit for a zone blocking scheme, but Winston is still better than both of them.
 
Mork I have to say that Winston has better technique and hand placement, McNeil I would give the edge to in footwork. As far as athleticsm and smarts Winston beats McNeil hands down. Winston also has that crucial mean streak that is likely better than any other top rated OL in the draft. Unfortunately I dont think he will see the second round, and if he does will we really go after him? Whoever gets Winston is getting a steal.
 
i'd love to walk out of this draft with Eric Winston and Fred Matua on the line. Matua would be ahead of the curve for blocking for reggie.

Eric Winston would have to be in the second round and there is a chance he would be there.

I'd prefer Matua in the 4th, i think the top of the 3rd is too high, maybe a trade down like 15 spots to gain a 5th rounder back.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
The bolded players are the only ones who deserve to be picked that early, and who would fit our system. Work on your list if you want to propose a question like this.
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Who made you the draft expert? I was only posing a question and giving some possible examples. If you would have read the post, I also said feel free to add your own players.
 
i agree with most other people, we should go:
ot-winston
cb-cromartie,joseph
fs-Ko,Allen,bullocks
mlb-D'quell
te-pope
og-davin joseph

in that order with #33
 
My point with who to go with here is based on those available in the 3rd. For instance, do you take Winston if you can get Colledge in the 3rd? Do you take Pope if you could Kloppenstein in the 3rd? Do you take Mangold if that kid from Minnesota is available?

I think we may need to draft the best position that will NOT be there in the 3rd. I don't think you can find a D'Qwell, Cromartie, Carpenter or Whitner in the 3rd. You actually may not be able to find a Winston in the 3rd either.

Basically, who will be available at 33 (position talent) that will NOT be available in the 3rd?
 
DRAMA said:
My point with who to go with here is based on those available in the 3rd. For instance, do you take Winston if you can get Colledge in the 3rd? Do you take Pope if you could Kloppenstein in the 3rd? Do you take Mangold if that kid from Minnesota is available?

I think we may need to draft the best position that will NOT be there in the 3rd. I don't think you can find a D'Qwell, Cromartie, Carpenter or Whitner in the 3rd. You actually may not be able to find a Winston in the 3rd either.

Basically, who will be available at 33 (position talent) that will NOT be available in the 3rd?
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Good point. That's exactly how I feel. That's why I would rather get a Olineman in the third then the second, because the talent at OL will be available later in the draft than the talent at S and/or CB. Get Reggie with the first pick, a safety and CB with picks 33 and 65, and then take Oline with 66 and 98 and throw in a late round project LB.
 
If donte Whitner falls to 33 i would draft him, he is better than KO simpson. Plz believe me. But i don't think he will Fall :(
 
Trapped said:
If donte Whitner falls to 33 i would draft him, he is better than KO simpson. Plz believe me. But i don't think he will Fall :(
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I agree because I've seen Whitner sneak into the first round in mock drafts and Ko Simpson has fallen into the mid second round now.
 
If ahmad Brooks is in shape and comes out in the supplement draft, I'd consider a 2nd in 2007 :stirpot:
 
It is so ridiculous that we have to consider a CB in the 2nd round considering we traded a 2nd rounder to get Pbust. Absolutely ridiculous. And Casserly should have known there was a reason he wasn't wanted in Oakland either.

But teams have done far stupider things, so I guess we shouldn't drag on about it.
 
phan1 said:
And Casserly should have known there was a reason he wasn't wanted in Oakland either.
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That reasoning just doesn't work except in hindsight. Deltha O'Neal wasn't wanted as a CB in Denver--and now he is a probowl CB on a new team.
 
we should take the BPA... I think much of what has been done in the offseason is to fix the glaring holes on the team so that this draft can be about getting the best talent available. While I would agree that OT, CB, FS, LB are all areas of weakness, it's unclear whether it will be with the new staff.

Certainly we do need help at FS. Possibly CC Brown can move there but we would need depth regardless.

CB- I'm not so sure about. Faggins is a quality nickel corner and Sanders an adequate dime CB. I really like Dunta. The question is PBurnt. Can this staff motivate him and also use him in a way that he is an asset on the field? maybe.

OT- Hmmm. The obvious answer is yes. Certainly I wouldn't complain about money and picks being spent here. However, there will be a new scheme in place, a new C, depth at G, and likely a combination of Pitts, Weigert?, and Wand. I'd say that there is at least a fair chance that Pitts and Wand may be considered a solid tandem of tackles in this league by 2007. Both are young, athletic and certainly have shown potential at times.

LB- At some point some youth at LB will be needed. However, quality LBs can be had fairly deep in the draft and the combination of Greenwood, Polk, Evans, Rainer, Cowart, Wong, Orr doesn't scream "glaring weakness.


So, who knows. I know only that I am loving the new staff and this offseason. Furthermore, I almost dread the idea of losing Casserly after the way the past six weeks has played out. I'm not crediting him with the change but only acknowledging that whatever hierachy is currently in place seems to be working.
 
If Winston or McNeil are not there at #33 trade down and get Colledge and additional pick(s) for this year or next.
 
The real decision will be made during the draft when it becomes apparent how the teams ahead of them (late first round) are going. If there is a run on CB and all the best OL guys are there - they may skip CB and take the OT that they have rated highest. If there is a run on OL and a lot of CBs are still there, they might trade their 2nd and one of the 3rd rounders to move up into the late first round to grab a guy like Cromartie or Jimmy Williams (if still on the board). There are so many things that could happen.

Personally, with the offseason they have had, I think that after drafting Reggie (which I think is an absolute no-brainer - they guy is incredible), I hope they get someone like Cromartie in the 2nd. I would love to have 2 shutdown corners starting. Maybe Buchanan will toughen up and be decent in nickel packages this year. They get someone like Colledge in the 3rd. If they get one OT and one solid CB in addition to Bush I will be happy.
 
Texansfan30 said:
The real decision will be made during the draft when it becomes apparent how the teams ahead of them (late first round) are going. If there is a run on CB and all the best OL guys are there - they may skip CB and take the OT that they have rated highest. If there is a run on OL and a lot of CBs are still there, they might trade their 2nd and one of the 3rd rounders to move up into the late first round to grab a guy like Cromartie or Jimmy Williams (if still on the board). There are so many things that could happen.

Personally, with the offseason they have had, I think that after drafting Reggie (which I think is an absolute no-brainer - they guy is incredible), I hope they get someone like Cromartie in the 2nd. I would love to have 2 shutdown corners starting. Maybe Buchanan will toughen up and be decent in nickel packages this year. They get someone like Colledge in the 3rd. If they get one OT and one solid CB in addition to Bush I will be happy.
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Couldn't agree more. I would like to get Joseph (S. Carolina) in the second if possible. I love his speed.
 
Texansfan30 said:
The real decision will be made during the draft when it becomes apparent how the teams ahead of them (late first round) are going. If there is a run on CB and all the best OL guys are there - they may skip CB and take the OT that they have rated highest. If there is a run on OL and a lot of CBs are still there, they might trade their 2nd and one of the 3rd rounders to move up into the late first round to grab a guy like Cromartie or Jimmy Williams (if still on the board). There are so many things that could happen.

Personally, with the offseason they have had, I think that after drafting Reggie (which I think is an absolute no-brainer - they guy is incredible), I hope they get someone like Cromartie in the 2nd. I would love to have 2 shutdown corners starting. Maybe Buchanan will toughen up and be decent in nickel packages this year. They get someone like Colledge in the 3rd. If they get one OT and one solid CB in addition to Bush I will be happy.
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Problem is Colledge won't be there in the 3rd and there is a good chance no quality OT will be there at #65. We need an OT more than ANY position on the team. I don't think you can risk not picking an OT in the 2nd. If Winston or McNeil are not there at #33 trade down to the middle of the round for Colledge or trade up into the 1st and get Winston.
 
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