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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

Mollywhopper said:
2023 Texans Post-FA/Draft

QB - CJ Stroud
RB - Dameon Pierce/Devin Singletary
OT - Laremy Tunsil/Tytus Howard
OG - Shaq Mason/Kenyon Green
C - Juice Scruggs
TE - Dalton Schultz/Brevin Jordan
WR - Robert Woods/Nico Collins/John Metchie/Tank Dell/Noah Brown
DE - Jerry Hughes/Jonathan Greenard/Will Anderson
DT - Maliek Collins/Sheldon Rankins/Roy Lopez
LB - Denzel Perryman/Christian Harris/Christian Kirksey/Will Anderson
CB - Derek Stingley/Steven Nelson/Desmond King
S - Jimmie Ward/Jalen Pitre/Desmond King

No one's kidding anyone into believing this is a championship contending roster..

..but for the first time in literal years I see a real football team with a real direction.
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So when are we supposed to set our goals higher?
 
BattleRedBlud said:
I am not well versed in contracts, but couldn't Houston place a clause in the contract that penalizes for demanding a trade prior to contract end? I have no issue giving stupid money (as it isn't mine) but just like the no-trade clause put our balls in a vice, could we not add a clause that would instead protect us like a no-demand to run away clause?
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CloakNNNdagger said:
All contracts for drafted rookies are now a mandatory four years in length. The CBA has built in financial disincentives for those who choose not to fulfill contracts including not accruing a season. But if the player is willing to take a hit, it is difficult to stop. The CBA from what I understand does not allow for teams to dictate independent penalties. The NFLPA would probably step in if such actions were taken.

Edit: Now if a rookie refuses to sign his contract and holds out the year, he would not be paid, and can re-enter the Draft the following year without further penalty (never understood that rule).
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BattleRedBlud said:
I am more interested in the second contract vs the rookie contract. I am curious what safety measures we have to prevent another Watson fiasco from happening. #1 would be no more no-trade clause with Mulaghetta clients. What else can we do?
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This has already been addressed internally which is why they are not afraid to do business with Mulugeta and its very simple ....

Essentially any contract that has a no trade clause will have an out, voiding the no trade clause should the player demand to be traded.

The player can have his NTC but he can't weaponize it against the team as doing so would void the NTC itself.
 
I think BPA here is at CB. Such a deep class, so many players who may be future starters. Texans can get a traits guy like Ringo, Rush or Bennet. Or they can go get a guy short on size/length but have football IQ in spades like Hodges-Tomlinson or Clark Phillips (who LZ mocked to Texans with pick 65). Would solidify CB position and set them up to have an in-house replacement for players with one year left on their deal (everyone besides Stingley).
 
JB said:
Ringo and Antonio Johnson would be great additions with 104 & 105
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I will be surprised if the Texans take players at 104 and 105. Nick C talked about the position (spot) in the draft and having multiple players that they like in his presser.
 
AcresHomesTexan said:
I will be surprised if the Texans take players at 104 and 105. Nick C talked about the position (spot) in the draft and having multiple players that they like in his presser.
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I don't understand. You think they will trade down? They still have 4 picks after
 
Concerning Levis, he suffered a turf toe last Oct 1 and missed 2 games, then a couple weeks later sustained a Grade I A-C separation. He played through both injuries and will probably continue to try to play through the toe injury this year. But it is very likely he'll need toe surgery at the end of the season if not before. This was a concern going into the Draft, but still by far not the only factor accounting for his drop in the Draft.
 
leebigeztx said:
There is truth to that but everyone in college plays in a spread. I was a Hyatt guy because he can hit his head on the goalpost every play.I like Dell too.They needed explosion either way and got it.
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Agreed, but it still significantly factors in transition to the NFL.....some can well, many can't.
 
Corrosion said:
This has already been addressed internally which is why they are not afraid to do business with Mulugeta and its very simple ....

Essentially any contract that has a no trade clause will have an out, voiding the no trade clause should the player demand to be traded.

The player can have his NTC but he can't weaponize it against the team as doing so would void the NTC itself.
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I believe the question posed to me was not concerning a NTC typically placed in the player's contract by their agent to protect the player from the team trading him without his permission...............it questioned if a team could truly place an effective NTC in a player's contract in order to protect the team by preventing the player from being able to demand a trade (with refusal to play) prior to the completion of the player's contract obligation (by heavy automatic deterrent penalty).
 
I didn't stay up for the Texans' picks last night, so I checked my phone with anticipation when I got up this morning- and I must say that I'm feeling underwhelmed. Day 1 was an enormous success, IMO. Day 2 was meh. I'm not wild about Scruggs, and while the trade up doesn't bother me in a vacuum (the Texans have a ton of picks in the draft, and were likely going to end up cutting a couple of late picks anyway), the fact that they were spent on a player I am not sold on is disappointing. It's the same thing with Dell- I don't think he was the best WR available. In fact, I think there are WRs still available that will have a better career than Dell. So the trade up, while it doesn't sound like bad value (does anyone actually have the picks exchanged?), seems unnecessary to me.
 
rmartin65 said:
I didn't stay up for the Texans' picks last night, so I checked my phone with anticipation when I got up this morning- and I must say that I'm feeling underwhelmed. Day 1 was an enormous success, IMO. Day 2 was meh. I'm not wild about Scruggs, and while the trade up doesn't bother me in a vacuum (the Texans have a ton of picks in the draft, and were likely going to end up cutting a couple of late picks anyway), the fact that they were spent on a player I am not sold on is disappointing. It's the same thing with Dell- I don't think he was the best WR available. In fact, I think there are WRs still available that will have a better career than Dell. So the trade up, while it doesn't sound like bad value (does anyone actually have the picks exchanged?), seems unnecessary to me.
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So to clarify, you’re disappointed that they didn’t take the players that you wanted them to take?
 
Texian said:
Here is some poop soup for you. Next year's draft the top 6 to 8 picks are better than this year's draft. 2024 1st RD picks are premium picks, you don't give them away. Giving away 1 of your 2 2024 1st RD picks may cost you a chance at Marvin Harrison or Brock Bowers or 1 of the 3 QBs who are all better than the QBs in this year's draft. The smart move would have been to trade back and pick up a 3rd 2024 1st RD pick. That would require someone to put down their Gameboy joystick and stop living in the moment. We call this forward-thinking Poop Soup.
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It’s all purely conjecture. We don’t know a damn thing. We don’t know what pick we’ll be next year, who will be available or who will bust out vs. just bust. Bird in hand type thing. We got a big bird in the hand and don’t know exactly what’s in the bush. It’s a gamble. They don’t call it Texas Hold ‘em for nothin. If you‘re a poop soup posse peddler, so be it. But sometimes it comes across like Texian’t is all.
 
Khelar said:
Even if I believed that my ultimate hope for this team is not competing for an AFCS title in 2023. It’s to be a team that is competing for championships. I don’t think Stroud will get us there
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You’re probably right since only one team can win a championship. I agree that Stroud probably can’t get us there. I’ll be shocked if he turns out to be a Brady, Manning, Montana, Mahomes etc. But I do think that we can get there with him and the right combination of teammates/coaching. And I believe that there’s a chance we get that combination right. Just a chance.
 
Corrosion said:
This has already been addressed internally which is why they are not afraid to do business with Mulugeta and its very simple ....

Essentially any contract that has a no trade clause will have an out, voiding the no trade clause should the player demand to be traded.

The player can have his NTC but he can't weaponize it against the team as doing so would void the NTC itself.
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This is good to hear. Thank you.

And it seems the guaranteed contract issue has been settled with Lamar Jackson Jalen Hurts not getting a guaranteed contracts. Not that there won’t be more attempts in the future.

It seems that things are been done “more smarter” than previously.
 
Bluehen Texan said:
It’s all purely conjecture. We don’t know a damn thing. We don’t know what pick we’ll be next year, who will be available or who will bust out vs. just bust. Bird in hand type thing. We got a big bird in the hand and don’t know exactly what’s in the bush. It’s a gamble. They don’t call it Texas Hold ‘em for nothin. If you‘re a poop soup posse peddler, so be it. But sometimes it comes across like Texian’t is all.
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If you live in the moment without a long-term plan or a vision for the future you will be less a team than you could be. 3 1st RD picks in 2024 is more than enough ammo to do some serious damage. If you don't plan for it, it will never happen. This has been the Texans' MO since 2002 and you see where it has gotten them.
 
rmartin65 said:
Yep. Isn’t that the whole thing about drafts? You are excited when they pick a guy who like, and bummed when they don’t.
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As long as it doesn’t have that ‘I know more than he does’ ring to it. And I’m not saying that applies to you.
 
DBCooper said:
We’re not going to be in the top 10 picks in next seasons draft.
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Regardless you now don't have the ammo to move up to take advantage of a draft class that is stacked with some real potential HOFs. When all is said and done this will come back to bite the Texans in the butt. You can count on it.
 
Texian said:
If you live in the moment without a long-term plan or a vision for the future you will be less a team than you could be. 3 1st RD picks in 2024 is more than enough ammo to do some serious damage. If you don't plan for it, it will never happen. This has been the Texans' MO since 2002 and you see where it has gotten them.
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So, why do you even bother having anything to do with them?
 
Marcus said:
As long as it doesn’t have that ‘I know more than he does’ ring to it. And I’m not saying that applies to you.
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Yeah, that’s not me (anymore, at least).

These guys have more access and data than we could even dream of, they may make mistakes, but I’d bet on them being right more consistently than me or any internet/couch scout any day of the week.
 
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GBpackers12 said:
We really drafted offense in this draft so far. I say I like it so far. You guys got Stroud from OSU. What’s Texan fans thoughts on that?
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As you can imagine, we're pretty split on it, but we're mostly happy. Even though I was wanting Will Anderson, I was fine with them drafting Stroud.

I have my doubts about Stroud on this level because of the concerns with how he handles dirty pockets and reacts to the plays breaking down. When everything is clean and in-rhythm, he's great, but things often get chaotic and he hasn't shown a consistent ability to deal well with those situations.

But.

He is an immediate and substantial upgrade at QB that we've needed since the whole Watson kerfluffle.

And we got Will Anderson, too! So yay!
 
The Pencil Neck said:
As you can imagine, we're pretty split on it, but we're mostly happy. Even though I was wanting Will Anderson, I was fine with them drafting Stroud.

I have my doubts about Stroud on this level because of the concerns with how he handles dirty pockets and reacts to the plays breaking down. When everything is clean and in-rhythm, he's great, but things often get chaotic and he hasn't shown a consistent ability to deal well with those situations.

But.

He is an immediate and substantial upgrade at QB that we've needed since the whole Watson kerfluffle.

And we got Will Anderson, too! So yay!
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Will Anderson is a pretty good pass rusher right?
 
Texian said:
Regardless you now don't have the ammo to move up to take advantage of a draft class that is stacked with some real potential HOFs. When all is said and done this will come back to bite the Texans in the butt. You can count on it.
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That’s next year.

Biggest draft pick we dealt was one of next years firsts and they used it on a guy they feel could be a “potential” HOF player.

In DeMeco I trust!
 
Texian said:
Regardless you now don't have the ammo to move up to take advantage of a draft class that is stacked with some real potential HOFs. When all is said and done this will come back to bite the Texans in the butt. You can count on it.
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Just because it is hyped now, doesn't mean it will be in a year. 2006 was the most anticipated draft I can remember. Not one HoF came from that, most of the top guys flamed out.

Teams are made of flesh and blood. You can't keep tanking for something that looks good on a spreadsheet years from now.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Just because it is hyped now, doesn't mean it will be in a year. 2006 was the most anticipated draft I can remember. Not one HoF came from that, most of the top guys flamed out.

Teams are made of flesh and blood. You can't keep tanking for something that looks good on a spreadsheet years from now.
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OK
 
Brisco_County said:
I think he's a good fit for the WCO, much better fit than whatever we ran last season. He's worth keeping around.
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My question is. Is Stroud the starter week 1 or is he going to make his debut later in the year. If later Mills will have to be the QB for a while. But I don't know the plan. Even Mills would be better with all the toys around him this year.
 
Marcus said:
So, why do you even bother having anything to do with them?
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Because I don't drink the Kool-Aid. Been there done that. I used to be a Kool-Aid drinker. When I stopped drinking the Kool-Aid I became less gullible, less naive, and smarter.
 
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