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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

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Hottoddie said:
This comment would cause me to seriously pause any idea of drafting him. He's not taking into account that the defensive coaches & players are also studying his habits & tendencies. He just stated that even if he can't see his receiver & the coverage, he's just going to throw the ball where he knows his receiver is supposed to be. How's he even going to know what shoulder to throw it over if he can't see them? That sounds like an interception waiting to happen.

In college, he played teams with maybe 1-4 NFL starters & a few backups. In the NFL, he'll be going up against 11 cream of the crop players on every play of every game. The coordinators will change up the defensive alignments for every game & even for plays within the game.

If the Texans select him (assuming he gets past Carolina) I'll root for him, but I'll cringe every time he throws the ball to a spot where he believes the receiver is at.
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NFL QBs throw the ball to a place at times.

That's why you hear the commentator (like Aikman or Romo) say things like "the receiver might be running the wrong route" or "the QB and the receiver are not on the same page".
 
Porky said:
Totally agree. They are going to outsmart the whole league again, and put their foot in another pile and come out looking like the idiots they are. Draft the guy at 1.2 that is your future top 10 starter and stop getting overly cute. CJ is there for the plucking. Will they? Of course not! Since when have the Texans done something smart at the top of the draft? It's been since Hopkins I think since they've made the obvious choice.
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What about a scenario where they take WA 1:2, send next years CLE 1st to AZ (and whatever else) to be at three and take Stroud?
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I want to draft a QB when there's a QB that's good.

If you draft a QB just because you need a QB, that's how you end up drafting guys like Blaine Gabbert, EJ Manuel, and Kyle Boller. If you convince yourself that a QB is good just because he's the best of his class and you NEED a QB, you end up in QB hell.

In the meantime, we build the best team we can. If there are no QB's that are any good for the next 10 years, then so be it.
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You would be bypassing guys like Wilson, Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Brady, Montana, etc. with that mindset.
 
Texazan said:
What about a scenario where they take WA 1:2, send next years CLE 1st to AZ to be at three and take Stroud?
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Would never happen like that. I only say that because the Raiders, Titans, and reportedly the Colts all like CJ Stroud.

Have to take CJ first so that market dies. Even if a team is willing to trade 3 if CJ is off the board you can still get Anderson or Wilson at 5 or potentially 8.

You have to take CJ first though. Only way for this to work.
 
Rich Schmidt said:
I just saw him look below average when he was pressured, which could tie to his low S2 as well, not able to compute off schedule. I watched three games this year against Maryland, Michigan and an even worse team I forget and he was bad. Dude is best player going when everything is clean and on schedule, but don't see him quickly getting better under pressure in the NFL. Then he plays the Georgia game and looks incredible minus a couple plays, but against that team he was plenty good. So I think we just don't see 1.2 value here. If he is there at 1.12, I go for it and hope to coach him up, and have such a good running game, hard to tee off on him. I draft for value, and we cannot miss our round 1's anymore. Pass on Tyree Wilson due to feet (great player), pass here due to worries under pressure. Without meeting CJ, he does not strike me as a leader of men in interviews. Your QB should make everyone better and believe. I used to lose my mind watching DW4 sit with a towel over his head while Mahommes is working his sideline. Leadership matters at QB as well
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I watched two complete OSU games this year, paying special attention to Stroud. They were Michigan and Georgia. We all know about his performance in the Georgia game. However, I was sold on Stroud watching the Michigan game. I thought he was fabulous! I know his 2nd half results were not particularly good, but I thought his play was great and that his receivers (among others) let him down. I just don't see his struggles with pressure. I think the way "pressure" stats are compiled is very flawed: "clean pocket" vs. "dirty pocket" doesn't do justice for a QB that gets rid of the ball quickly vs. a QB that regularly extends plays but may struggle to get the ball out on time, for instance.

I am very intrigued. I can't recall being this convicted on a QB and being wrong.
 
Porky said:
Anderson isn't Peppers. Not close. Good player, great locker room guy and all that. But not close to Peppers. I'm also concerned about scheme fit. I'm thinking he needs to be turned into a LB/DE hybrid. Which is why I was thinking Tyree who is an excellent fit, but now with the foot....??? Not so sure about that.

Which leaves CJ as the hyper obvious choice. Clean injury history, makes every throw in the book with elite accuracy, and his last tape was elite level against the best D in college football. Nah, we don't want that guy! :hankpalm:
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You so conveniently leave out 2 of his biggest disadvantages.
 
steelbtexan said:
Doesn't scare me at all. In fact I hope he goes to a division rival. They will be stuck in high end mediocrity at best and at worst they will be in cap hell in 3 years.
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Hey TB, what's with the unlike? Don't you want teams in the division to be high end mediocre at best and in cap hell in 3 years?
 
dalemurphy said:
I watched two complete OSU games this year, paying special attention to Stroud. They were Michigan and Georgia. We all know about his performance in the Georgia game. However, I was sold on Stroud watching the Michigan game. I thought he was fabulous! I know his 2nd half results were not particularly good, but I thought his play was great and that his receivers (among others) let him down. I just don't see his struggles with pressure. I think the way "pressure" stats are compiled is very flawed: "clean pocket" vs. "dirty pocket" doesn't do justice for a QB that gets rid of the ball quickly vs. a QB that regularly extends plays but may struggle to get the ball out on time, for instance.

I am very intrigued. I can't recall being this convicted on a QB and being wrong.
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Its the little things... His throws are almost perfect every time. The ball is put in places only the WR can catch it. Check him out against Toledo... YES TOLEDO.... has some of the best sideline ball I have ever seen on the run.

The ball is out early, its on time...Its back shoulder when the DB isn't looking... its behind the DB when his hips are turned. He is really good at reading defenders. His processing is next level in action.

Does he struggle with pressure... yes. So does a lot of QB's... its something that can be improved and has a good chance of being improved due to his mechanics.
 
76Texan said:
You would be bypassing guys like Wilson, Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Brady, Montana, etc. with that mindset.
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Not really. I'd be getting them with a pick other than 1st overall... like all of those guys you mentioned.

All I'm saying is that you don't force the pick. If you've got a QB graded as the highest guy on your board when your pick comes up, then you take him. If there's a guy you want and you don't think they'll get to your pick, then you trade up to get him.

But you don't draft a QB with your top 3 pick just because you need a QB.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Texans want to run the WCO
Stroud is the best WCO QB in the draft

All of the offseason moves were a clear setup to take a QB at No. 2. Not sure why the Texans (or just Nick) decided to be too cool for school about it.
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Ultimately the Texans can draft Stroud tonight and they can say nothing ever changed other than media reports because they had no idea what was going on.

For all we know, the Texans always wanted to trade up from 12 for Anderson/Wilson and people assumed those were who they like at 2.

I see a lot of draft boards with Wilson falling to 8 and Anderson to 5 if the Texans were to take Stroud.

We won't know until about 7:30
 
dalemurphy said:
Steel,
I respect your perspective, but I am baffled by your negativity regarding CJ Stroud. I expect him to immediately upgrade our QB position and expect him to be a top 10 NFL QB by his 3rd season. I am aware of all the rumors: S2 grade, Manning QB camp thing, etc... But, could you tell me why you really don't like him as a football player: those rumors may be confirmations for you, but I know your opinion is based on what you have seen on the field.. So, please share your insights if you are willing. Thanks.
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I don't think he's more than a top 10-12 QB at best. Will he upgrade the QB position, sure he will. Will he win championships going up against the likes of Mahomes)Allen/Burrow etc... Not likely. The only big game he's played well in was the Georgia game. How long had it been since Ohio State lost to Michigan before Stroud became the starting QB. He has a history of not performing well under pressure both on the field and obviously he didn't perform well in a testing environment. I also think the guy isn't very bright. You know what they say, you are who you hangout with. Look at who he's got representing him and the QB's he considers his idols.
 
steelbtexan said:
I don't think he's more than a top 10-12 QB at best. Will he upgrade the QB position, sure he will. Will he win championships going up against the likes of Mahomes)Allen/Burrow etc... Not likely. The only big game he's played well in was the Georgia game. How long had it been since Ohio State lost to Michigan before Stroud became the starting QB. He has a history of not performing well under pressure both on the field and obviously he didn't perform well in a testing environment. I also think the guy isn't very bright. You know what they say, you are who you hangout with. Look at who he's got representing him and the QB's he considers his idols.
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Wow.............
 
steelbtexan said:
I don't think he's more than a top 10-12 QB at best. Will he upgrade the QB position, sure he will. Will he win championships going up against the likes of Mahomes)Allen/Burrow etc... Not likely. The only big game he's played well in was the Georgia game. How long had it been since Ohio State lost to Michigan before Stroud became the starting QB. He has a history of not performing well under pressure both on the field and obviously he didn't perform well in a testing environment. I also think the guy isn't very bright. You know what they say, you are who you hangout with. Look at who he's got representing him and the QB's he considers his idols.
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I love Jalen Hurts. But he’s no better than top 10 QB. Had the Niners had top 10 QB last season, there would have been a parade in San Fran.

Draft the freaking QB.
 
I just don't want Stroud and it's a combination of things. I just don't think he's going to be all that by the time it gets here. Every single draft there's a bunch of overrated QB's that don't pan out to the tune of 40% of the guys picked. I can't say why I don't like him I just don't. Young is too small for me and the fact that both of them came from powerhouse schools where they performed well in an almost perfect "sterile" environment is a factor but I just don't like him for the Texans.

Having said that I'm not going to lie and say I want him to fail if he is picked by us. I want him to succeed badly and if he does then I'll be happy to eat my crow. If he doesn't then I can enjoy ignoring Texans games for another year or two and telling anyone who will listen that I KNEW he was going to be a bad choice for years to come. It's a win-win for me.

The best news is if you or I don't like this draft there's another one coming up IN JUST ONE YEAR!
 
Hervoyel said:
I just don't want Stroud and it's a combination of things. I just don't think he's going to be all that by the time it gets here. Every single draft there's a bunch of overrated QB's that don't pan out to the tune of 40% of the guys picked. I can't say why I don't like him I just don't. Young is too small for me and the fact that both of them came from powerhouse schools where they performed well in an almost perfect "sterile" environment is a factor but I just don't like him for the Texans.

Having said that I'm not going to lie and say I want him to fail if he is picked by us. I want him to succeed badly and if he does then I'll be happy to eat my crow. If he doesn't then I can enjoy ignoring Texans games for another year or two and telling anyone who will listen that I KNEW he was going to be a bad choice for years to come. It's a win-win for me.

The best news is if you or I don't like this draft there's another one coming up IN JUST ONE YEAR!
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I just want the Texans to take a swing. Not play it safe. Safe is what the Texans have done every year and we still don't have an AFC championship appearance to show for it.

Swing for the fence.

It's gotten to the point my exhaustion has allowed me to be ok with AR as the pick.
 
corry said:
Its the little things... His throws are almost perfect every time. The ball is put in places only the WR can catch it. Check him out against Toledo... YES TOLEDO.... has some of the best sideline ball I have ever seen on the run.

The ball is out early, its on time...Its back shoulder when the DB isn't looking... its behind the DB when his hips are turned. He is really good at reading defenders. His processing is next level in action.

Does he struggle with pressure... yes. So does a lot of QB's... its something that can be improved and has a good chance of being improved due to his mechanics.
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He must be something if he somehow overcame the 9-5 Toledo Rockets with only the meager resources of Ohio State to work with...
 
steelbtexan said:
I don't think he's more than a top 10-12 QB at best. Will he upgrade the QB position, sure he will. Will he win championships going up against the likes of Mahomes)Allen/Burrow etc... Not likely. The only big game he's played well in was the Georgia game. How long had it been since Ohio State lost to Michigan before Stroud became the starting QB. He has a history of not performing well under pressure both on the field and obviously he didn't perform well in a testing environment. I also think the guy isn't very bright. You know what they say, you are who you hangout with. Look at who he's got representing him and the QB's he considers his idols.
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Mahomes and Allen were both considered huge gambles coming out of college. One had a pretty lackluster resume with nothing really accomplished on it and the other was Allen. Even Burrow had the knock of being only a one-year starter. And yet somehow all developed into top tier QBs...odd that.

Draft the QB you think is best and move on.
 
Hervoyel said:
He must be something if he somehow overcame the 9-5 Toledo Rockets with only the meager resources of Ohio State to work with...
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I think you have to watch everything to get an idea of what kind of player you want. Ultimately they are all divison 1 athletes competing on the same field. A good play is a good play.

If Stroud's baseline was the Georgia game then people would be calling him the next Aaron Rodgers and Bryce Young would be the one falling to the Texans.

If you can do it once, you can do it.
 
Errant Hothy said:
Mahomes and Allen were both considered huge gambles coming out of college. One had a pretty lackluster resume with nothing really accomplished on it and the other was Allen. Even Burrow had the knock of being only a one-year starter. And yet somehow all developed into top tier QBs...odd that.

Draft the player you think is best and move on.
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FIFY
 
I’m glad you are back Steel but this nonsense with his idols is just that. There are legit concerns about Stroud as there is with every single prospect, but let’s keep it real. You know what he meant, but you use it as a cudgel and make it personal. CJ might not be the brightest bulb in the pack but by all accounts he is football smart and as me matures I think he will grow as a human being and a leader. God only knows, I’m not the same guy at 59 as I was at 21,

And as afar as your on the field critique, while QB is the most important position, it’s not the only one. The way you beat Mahomes is a combo of keep away on offense combined with a D that can pressure Mahomes and goad him into mistakes. Like any QB, he isn’t as good under pressure. Give it another year or two and let Meco build this D, add a couple of weapons on O, and Stroud can compete just fine. No guarantees for sure…but given all available and reasonable choices, Stroud is the best opportunity at QB we may see in a while.
 
dalemurphy said:
Steel,
I respect your perspective, but I am baffled by your negativity regarding CJ Stroud. I expect him to immediately upgrade our QB position and expect him to be a top 10 NFL QB by his 3rd season. I am aware of all the rumors: S2 grade, Manning QB camp thing, etc... But, could you tell me why you really don't like him as a football player: those rumors may be confirmations for you, but I know your opinion is based on what you have seen on the field.. So, please share your insights if you are willing. Thanks.
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If the Texans draft Stroud, I'll be good with it. I'll root for him. I'll even add a demerit on Caserio's plus side.

However, I don't think he's a cold blooded killer. Not as bad as Schaub, but I see a lot of Schaub in him.
Just my uneducated position.
 
JB said:
You're the only one I have heard THAT from
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Heard what? Stingley was the best DB prospect in college pre injury.

People felt Sauce was a risk due to competition. I know some of yall are old, but no way memory is that bad.
 
I see CJ as a higher level Schaub in this offense with a similar play style…just more talented arm, more accurate etc. and Schaub was pretty accurate but his arm was average. CJ can sling. Arm isn’t elite, but CJ has a plus arm and can threaten every part of the field. He will make the D cover every blade of grass.

I’m very intrigued about getting Anderson and CJ, but honestly, I’d take CJ and go Nolan at 12. Anderson is more well rounded, but Nolan is gonna be a helluva disruptive force in his own right. Then you keep all your picks. That said, I’m still intrigued.
 
corry said:
Heard what? Stingley was the best DB prospect in college pre injury.

People felt Sauce was a risk due to competition. I know some of yall are old, but no way memory is that bad.
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Entering the draft there was NO ONE that thought Stingley the safer pick. You were talking draft not after freshman year in college.
 
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dalemurphy said:
Steel,
I respect your perspective, but I am baffled by your negativity regarding CJ Stroud. I expect him to immediately upgrade our QB position and expect him to be a top 10 NFL QB by his 3rd season. I am aware of all the rumors: S2 grade, Manning QB camp thing, etc... But, could you tell me why you really don't like him as a football player: those rumors may be confirmations for you, but I know your opinion is based on what you have seen on the field.. So, please share your insights if you are willing. Thanks.
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He doing that because of his affiliation with Watson as well as having the same agent.
 
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