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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

Yep. Stay Put! Also the way I see it if the Texans trade (giving up picks) from 2 to 1 and does not pan out later the scrutiny will settle in from everywhere. If they choose a QB with their present picks at least nothing was sacrificed and at the same time filling in other needed positions.
The good ol could've should've would've may be eliminated and as the draft process continues with the set selections. Especially the first maybe second rounds. Later rounds have more play around to trade up or down.
Sort of as with the HC , you trade up for Sean Payton giving up picks or go with another guy less expensive and maybe still get what you want.
 
You think we'll be competing for a Super Bowl next year?

In order to win the Super You can't be giving up 200 yard games to any single RB, much less the same guy twice a year. You can't have a division rival setting receiving records against your team. We can't keep drafting TEs & not have a starting TE since 2013. We can't be firing minority HCs every year

I mean.... we're not winning the Super Bowl next year.
So you are advocating waiting until we Might be going to the Super Bowl to get a quarterback?

You don't need to spend the 1st round pick to stop the opponent run production.

You can not fire a minority head coach unless you have a minority head coach.

Or something like that. I get confused easy.
 
Bright lights, never thrown to the WRs. Watch how good the arm of CJ and his release are. Big mistake for Young. You want to quiet rumors, come in at 5' 11 and 200lbs...and then perform.

No question stock will rise for Levis, Richardson and Stroud. Young better hope his height, weight and hand size don't turn to many off. Seeing not throwing has already produced comments and rumblings.

 
Its two months away guys. This is meaningless. Its like watching a preseason game and thinking it has any meaning to the regular season.

that said I hope like hell Chicago takes Carter or Anderson so we can get the best QB in this draft….Mr Young step up to the podium.
 
That's all every NFL player has to do
Nope. I doubt the usual player is asked how his body reacts to tackles. CBs, WRs, DBs and most RBs are judged by film and medical records. Perhaps the 5' 6 running back Deuce will be questioned But I doubt the focus will be there.

QBs in 210 -220 lb class will not. Levis, Stroud and Hooker all seriously injured and violently clobbered will not.
 
While any player is a gamble. It seems like 50% of the forum would happily take a 5' 9 maybe 10 180-some pound QB who has known weaknesses and has a reoccurring AC joint injury. Personally, even if it's not my money (I'm not paying the contract) I take the guy who has no injury issue and is taller than my daughter (2 of the 3 are 5' 10")
Who is this guy who has no injury history? The first 5 do.
Going forward, you have already ruled out Ewers and Caleb Williams IIRC. I also think Mayes has been hurt. Have you reviewed High school freshmen?
 
Finally, people talking about the arm strength which I've been mentioning in here for some time. Young's arm strength and ability to drive the ball is maybe NFL average at best coming in, and that is as a shiny 22 year old rookie. That's fine if he were primarily a pocket QB with an uncanny ability to hit timing passes, which he can. But his ability to make plays off-structure is the thing that separates Young, and that will be hard to accomplish with his arm strength at the NFL level - at least to the degree he did in college. His skill set makes translation to the next level very iffy.

However, I must admit I'm intrigued by having a Doug Flutie-esque player (+) in his prime and in this generation, possibly on the team. He would be easy to root for.
He has an nfl arm. His arm is as good as Burrow, Hurts,Dak,Goff and many other. To think he can't and won't get stronger in his hips and core is ridiculous. His arm is as good or better as Drew Brees and Tom Brady coming out of college.
 
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If Fields is in NFL player of year talk at end of 2024 and takes Texans to SB, you betcha. We need to build around QB position as did Eagles and we can.

Justin Fields in his 3rd NFL season with Eagles coaching/roster could be Hurts, imo.

Would he be Hurts- like on Texans this year? No but neither would Caleb Williams.

As much as i would be satisfied with Fields, even more would be 1.1 and the trade offers we hear Bears are allegedly receiving.
Interesting comments BB, so here's my thoughts -
If Jalen Hurts or Justin Fields had been the Texans QB last year then I think maybe we win a few more games, but we don't win the division title and/or make the P/Os.
 
If Chicago stays at 1, the trade value for 2 may go up.
That is what I am preaching and hoping for. Also hoping that Seattle either trades to Houston for Anderson or a quarterback and then Carolina or Detroit trades To us for number 5. I still occasionally see comments that Lyons may want a top 3 quarterback.

If Richardson available at pick 12, Buccaneers may make an offer.
 
That is what I am preaching and hoping for. Also hoping that Seattle either trades to Houston for Anderson or a quarterback and then Carolina or Detroit trades To us for number 5. I still occasionally see comments that Lyons may want a top 3 quarterback.

If Richardson available at pick 12, Buccaneers may make an offer.
I don't think Richardson is going in the 1st rd. I think its great draft talk, but there are too many games when he was straight terrible. Once he gets out of the top 15, he's going to fall like a rock and then its going to repeat itself in the top of the 2nd rd. As bad as fields was as a rookie and hurts his 1st year, they were great college players, not just prospects. The comparison could be Josh Allen who wasn't great, but had great tools, but there aren't many coaches who are going to place their career on that uneven play like Richardson. Top that off, he's had maturity issues also.
 
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Interesting comments BB, so here's my thoughts -
If Jalen Hurts or Justin Fields had been the Texans QB last year then I think maybe we win a few more games, but we don't win the division title and/or make the P/Os.
Totally agree but want to clarify my position: Fields will not put this roster into playoffs. Fields with draft picks including trade downs from 1.1 and 1.12 plus trade ups rounds 4 thru 7 plus trade of Brandin Cooks (today 4 articles mentioning "multiple teams interested") plus a few significant FAs might put us in playoffs this season.

However back the stage coach up a bit. One guy That no one has heard of has said bears will trade Fields and 1.1 to Houston.

Am I madly scribbling what I would do with additional pics from 1.1 trade down offers? You betcha. Do I realistically think that will happen? No. But I never thought that Houston would trade DeAndre Hopkins or give what we did for Laremy Tunsil.

IIRC, not too many years ago someone posted an incredible suggestion that a prominent Texan would be leaving. He was slammed and ridiculed. Turned out his source was correct.
 
I don't think Richardson is going in the 1st rd. I think its great draft talk, but there are too many games when he was straight terrible. Once he gets out of the top 15, he's going to fall like a rock and then its going to repeat itself in the top of the 2nd rd. As bad as fields was as a rookie and hurts his 1st year, they were great college players, not just prospects. The comparison could be Josh Allen who wasn't great, but had great tools, but there aren't many coaches who are going to place their career on that uneven play like Richardson. Top that off, he's had maturity issues also.
Agree with your evaluation of Richardson however I am constantly hearing he will be a top 10 pick. Today I heard a guy insist that there will be 4 quarterbacks in a row taken. The radio talking head was insistant that Richardson will be the biggest surprise in the draft.
 
I don't think Richardson is going in the 1st rd. I think its great draft talk, but there are too many games when he was straight terrible. Once he gets out of the top 15, he's going to fall like a rock and then its going to repeat itself in the top of the 2nd rd. As bad as fields was as a rookie and hurts his 1st year, they were great college players, not just prospects. The comparison could be Josh Allen who wasn't great, but had great tools, but there aren't many coaches who are going to place their career on that uneven play like Richardson. Top that off, he's had maturity issues also.

I don't think Allen's final college season was any more 'even' than Richardson's. And at least Richardson was uneven versus SEC competition.

I'm not pounding any tables at all for Richardson either. Too erratic for my liking, but so was Allen so there you go.
 
Just got through watching Jonathan Mingo.

He's a perfect fit for a WCO.

Big dude that's a heck of a blocker and runs like a RB with the ball in his hands. Has good enough speed that he wont get caught from behind, can play outside or in the slot, good hands. Reminds me of Deebo coming out of college. If he's there in the 3rd he would be a great pick.

BTW, I expect Kearis Jackson to run really fast.
 
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Agree with your evaluation of Richardson however I am constantly hearing he will be a top 10 pick. Today I heard a guy insist that there will be 4 quarterbacks in a row taken. The radio talking head was insistant that Richardson will be the biggest surprise in the draft.
They’re guessing just like us. Nobody knows where these players will be drafted.
 
Agree with your evaluation of Richardson however I am constantly hearing he will be a top 10 pick. Today I heard a guy insist that there will be 4 quarterbacks in a row taken. The radio talking head was insistant that Richardson will be the biggest surprise in the draft.
They’re guessing just like us. Nobody knows where these players will be drafted
 
There has been a barrage of articles re. Jalen Carter's "questionable character." But as I tried to track them down, they all led to Todd McShay as the source, someone who has been known to stir controversy.

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THE ATHLETIC
Why Jalen Carter is viewed by NFL scouts as biggest ‘game wrecker’ from Georgia in last 2 years

At this point of his career, Tray Scott is a hard man to wow. A coach can get that way when he’s been the Georgia Bulldogs’ defensive line coach for a long time.

Just a year ago, Scott had a bunch of proteges primed for the 2022 NFL Draft: Travon Walker, the eventual first pick, clocked a 4.51 40 after measuring 6 feet 5, 272 pounds. Jordan Davis, at more than 6 feet 6, 341 pounds, ran a blazing 4.78 40 and broad jumped 10-3 inches. Devonte Wyatt, a 304-pounder, timed a 4.77 40 with a 1.6 10-yard split. Perhaps the wildest thing about that defensive line group, though, is that the player most rival coaches thought was the best talent wasn’t even in last year’s draft.

That player, 21-year-old Jalen Carter — who has drawn comparisons to Pro Football Hall of Famer Warren Sapp as well as super-sized NBA dunking machine Zion Williamson — is in this year’s draft and is rated by The Athletic’s Dane Brugler as its No. 1 prospect.

Scott pondered the question about the most impressive thing he’s ever seen the 6-foot-3, 310-pound Carter do for nearly a minute and then smiled before going back to something he saw that blew his mind while recruiting him.
“I saw him punt a ball 60-some yards in a playoff game,” Scott said. “I had no awareness that he was a punter. He was a tight end and a fullback in a single-wing offense, and he could be a really good tight end and probably an even better fullback. I had seen some of his dunk videos and I knew he was an elite athlete, but I had no idea.” The veteran defensive line coach paused and craned his neck, tilting his chin skyward as if to mimic his reaction witnessing the massive high schooler launching a punt toward the heavens in the Florida state title game.

Coaches who have faced Georgia think Carter would have been the first Bulldogs defensive lineman picked if he were draft eligible in 2022. They couldn’t stop raving about No. 88 — about how twitchy he is, how ridiculous his get-off is, how strong his hands are.

“Ho-ly s—! This 88 jumps off the tape,” a veteran line coach told The Athletic last winter. “I think he is the best one in the front. He is so big but so quick-twitch. He has an uncanny ability to redirect and (he has) really good balance.”

“Eighty-eight’s initial quickness is ridiculous,” said another coach who played Georgia late in the season. Said an SEC offensive line coach: “We knew Jordan (Davis) was a good player, but everybody circles 88 as the game wrecker.”

Carter is a big reason Georgia allowed the fewest rushing yards in the past two seasons in college football and the Bulldogs won consecutive national titles. In 2022, he piled up 31 quarterback hurries — tied for tops on the team despite his being banged up for parts of the season. He sprained his ankle on the first play of the season against Oregon and was also slowed by an MCL injury. But there were also stunning displays of dominance, most notably in a showdown against Tennessee in which he had a sack, another TFL and two forced fumbles.

“He’s a good mixture of what Jordan could do in terms of being an elite run defender and what Devonte was able to do with creating explosion and making negative plays and creating havoc,” Scott said. “Jalen can literally play zero-nose to a nine-technique defensive end. You don’t really see that a lot from 6-3, 310-pound guys. That is so impressive. … If you name a characteristic of a really good defensive tackle, he has it. Very seldom do you find someone who has a good mixture of all the right stuff.”

A year ago at this time, it was Scott’s defensive linemen who stole the show at the NFL Scouting Combine. Carter will arrive in Indianapolis with an even bigger spotlight on him. Asked whether he can put up similar numbers in the combine or maybe get into the mid-30s in the vertical jump, Carter joked that he wasn’t even sure how to answer.

“Jordan Davis is a freak athlete too,” Carter said. “He’s incredibly strong and fast. Those numbers he put up were wild. Could I run in the 4.8s? I can work on it and we’ll see what happens there. … I’m gonna try to go higher than mid-30s (in the vertical).”
Scott wouldn’t doubt Carter, especially since he’s been training specifically for the combine. He acknowledged he never expected Walker to clock a 4.5 40. “I wouldn’t be surprised if Jalen hit a 4.8 (40) when he’s training for it,” Scott said. “And he’s really strong in the weight room. He could hit 40 (reps) easy (on the bench press) if he wants to. Maybe 50 if he really wanted to.”

Ty Darlington has a unique perspective on Carter. Darlington, a former All-Big 12 lineman at Oklahoma, was in his first season coaching in Norman when his dad sent him video of a 14-year-old Carter doing agility work as well as power cleaning and squatting.

“This is the most talented football player I’ve ever seen,” Rick Darlington, a state champion high school coach in Florida at Apopka High, told his son. “He’s gonna play in the NFL.”

Carter, then a freshman, was also excelling as an AAU basketball player. Auburn had offered Carter a scholarship by then. Herb Hand, the Tigers offensive line coach, marveled at what he remembers of the young standout playing H-back in those meat grinders of Apopka’s practices in vintage single-wing football, where it seemed like it was two hours of Inside Run drill period. Scott Fountain, a former offensive lineman and longtime O-line coach, was recruiting Carter along with Scott for Georgia. He attended Apopka’s spring game in Carter’s junior year and said it was as impressive a performance as he’d ever seen. He even pulled out his video camera to try to do justice to just how dominant Carter was at getting to the quarterback.

This year the younger Darlington, while on staff at Florida, faced Carter, and his dad’s prediction looked spot on.
“He’s unbelievable,” said Ty Darlington, now the tight ends coach at FCS Incarnate Word. “You should not be able to move like that with the fluidity and the bend he has. I’ve been watching film on this kid since he was 14, so it was really cool to see him living up to the potential.”

The only other defensive lineman Ty Darlington said he’s seen who is close to Carter was Alabama’s Quinnen Williams, whom he studied before Oklahoma played the Crimson Tide in the 2018 Orange Bowl. Darlington had pored over every game film Williams played and was so impressed by his progression from an underwhelming opener to becoming an “Oh, s—!” problem by Week 5. As dominant as Williams was, Darlington believes Carter is even more talented. “He’s more fluid and a better athlete — and I think he’s a lot farther away from his ceiling.”

Not all of the pre-draft buzz on Carter has been as effusive. Before the national title game, Todd McShay, ESPN’s NFL draft analyst, said there “are some character issues,” with Carter. “Does he get along with everybody? What’s he like to deal with in the locker room? Those sorts of issues. I know it’s early in the process, but I’m forewarning everybody out there.”
Carter’s teammates pushed back on those comments on social media.

Carter didn’t seem to mind when asked about it last month. “Nah, it’s not hard to hear,” he told The Athletic. “I have a lot of motivation on my side, and every time something negative comes out, someone else will say something positive. It evens out. I really don’t need that added motivation. I always have a chip on my shoulder. I always try to be the best I can be.”
 
Jalen Carter is not working out.


Not seeing a lot of pushback on that. For a guy whose hype is based off potential and not production, you think there would be. I'd like to be in those interviews when teams ask Carter why he was tied for 4th in sacks on his team. Or why he was gassed in the semifinal game vs. Ghio State.

The character issues McShay is probably alluding to is Carter's football character. He is more talented than the Bulldog D-linemen that came out last year (Walker & Davis). But, those guys worked their tail off to shine at the combine. And reaped the rewards. Carter wants the rewards, and will likely get his. He just won't have to work for it.
 
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There has been a barrage of articles re. Jalen Carter's "questionable character." But as I tried to track them down, they all led to Todd McShay as the source, someone who has been known to stir controversy.

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THE ATHLETIC
Why Jalen Carter is viewed by NFL scouts as biggest ‘game wrecker’ from Georgia in last 2 years

At this point of his career, Tray Scott is a hard man to wow. A coach can get that way when he’s been the Georgia Bulldogs’ defensive line coach for a long time.

Just a year ago, Scott had a bunch of proteges primed for the 2022 NFL Draft: Travon Walker, the eventual first pick, clocked a 4.51 40 after measuring 6 feet 5, 272 pounds. Jordan Davis, at more than 6 feet 6, 341 pounds, ran a blazing 4.78 40 and broad jumped 10-3 inches. Devonte Wyatt, a 304-pounder, timed a 4.77 40 with a 1.6 10-yard split. Perhaps the wildest thing about that defensive line group, though, is that the player most rival coaches thought was the best talent wasn’t even in last year’s draft.

That player, 21-year-old Jalen Carter — who has drawn comparisons to Pro Football Hall of Famer Warren Sapp as well as super-sized NBA dunking machine Zion Williamson — is in this year’s draft and is rated by The Athletic’s Dane Brugler as its No. 1 prospect.

Scott pondered the question about the most impressive thing he’s ever seen the 6-foot-3, 310-pound Carter do for nearly a minute and then smiled before going back to something he saw that blew his mind while recruiting him.

“I saw him punt a ball 60-some yards in a playoff game,” Scott said. “I had no awareness that he was a punter. He was a tight end and a fullback in a single-wing offense, and he could be a really good tight end and probably an even better fullback. I had seen some of his dunk videos and I knew he was an elite athlete, but I had no idea.” The veteran defensive line coach paused and craned his neck, tilting his chin skyward as if to mimic his reaction witnessing the massive high schooler launching a punt toward the heavens in the Florida state title game.

Coaches who have faced Georgia think Carter would have been the first Bulldogs defensive lineman picked if he were draft eligible in 2022. They couldn’t stop raving about No. 88 — about how twitchy he is, how ridiculous his get-off is, how strong his hands are.

“Ho-ly s—! This 88 jumps off the tape,” a veteran line coach told The Athletic last winter. “I think he is the best one in the front. He is so big but so quick-twitch. He has an uncanny ability to redirect and (he has) really good balance.”

“Eighty-eight’s initial quickness is ridiculous,” said another coach who played Georgia late in the season. Said an SEC offensive line coach: “We knew Jordan (Davis) was a good player, but everybody circles 88 as the game wrecker.”

Carter is a big reason Georgia allowed the fewest rushing yards in the past two seasons in college football and the Bulldogs won consecutive national titles. In 2022, he piled up 31 quarterback hurries — tied for tops on the team despite his being banged up for parts of the season. He sprained his ankle on the first play of the season against Oregon and was also slowed by an MCL injury. But there were also stunning displays of dominance, most notably in a showdown against Tennessee in which he had a sack, another TFL and two forced fumbles.

“He’s a good mixture of what Jordan could do in terms of being an elite run defender and what Devonte was able to do with creating explosion and making negative plays and creating havoc,” Scott said. “Jalen can literally play zero-nose to a nine-technique defensive end. You don’t really see that a lot from 6-3, 310-pound guys. That is so impressive. … If you name a characteristic of a really good defensive tackle, he has it. Very seldom do you find someone who has a good mixture of all the right stuff.”

A year ago at this time, it was Scott’s defensive linemen who stole the show at the NFL Scouting Combine. Carter will arrive in Indianapolis with an even bigger spotlight on him. Asked whether he can put up similar numbers in the combine or maybe get into the mid-30s in the vertical jump, Carter joked that he wasn’t even sure how to answer.

“Jordan Davis is a freak athlete too,” Carter said. “He’s incredibly strong and fast. Those numbers he put up were wild. Could I run in the 4.8s? I can work on it and we’ll see what happens there. … I’m gonna try to go higher than mid-30s (in the vertical).”
Scott wouldn’t doubt Carter, especially since he’s been training specifically for the combine. He acknowledged he never expected Walker to clock a 4.5 40. “I wouldn’t be surprised if Jalen hit a 4.8 (40) when he’s training for it,” Scott said. “And he’s really strong in the weight room. He could hit 40 (reps) easy (on the bench press) if he wants to. Maybe 50 if he really wanted to.”

Ty Darlington has a unique perspective on Carter. Darlington, a former All-Big 12 lineman at Oklahoma, was in his first season coaching in Norman when his dad sent him video of a 14-year-old Carter doing agility work as well as power cleaning and squatting.

“This is the most talented football player I’ve ever seen,” Rick Darlington, a state champion high school coach in Florida at Apopka High, told his son. “He’s gonna play in the NFL.”

Carter, then a freshman, was also excelling as an AAU basketball player. Auburn had offered Carter a scholarship by then. Herb Hand, the Tigers offensive line coach, marveled at what he remembers of the young standout playing H-back in those meat grinders of Apopka’s practices in vintage single-wing football, where it seemed like it was two hours of Inside Run drill period. Scott Fountain, a former offensive lineman and longtime O-line coach, was recruiting Carter along with Scott for Georgia. He attended Apopka’s spring game in Carter’s junior year and said it was as impressive a performance as he’d ever seen. He even pulled out his video camera to try to do justice to just how dominant Carter was at getting to the quarterback.

This year the younger Darlington, while on staff at Florida, faced Carter, and his dad’s prediction looked spot on.
“He’s unbelievable,” said Ty Darlington, now the tight ends coach at FCS Incarnate Word. “You should not be able to move like that with the fluidity and the bend he has. I’ve been watching film on this kid since he was 14, so it was really cool to see him living up to the potential.”

The only other defensive lineman Ty Darlington said he’s seen who is close to Carter was Alabama’s Quinnen Williams, whom he studied before Oklahoma played the Crimson Tide in the 2018 Orange Bowl. Darlington had pored over every game film Williams played and was so impressed by his progression from an underwhelming opener to becoming an “Oh, s—!” problem by Week 5. As dominant as Williams was, Darlington believes Carter is even more talented. “He’s more fluid and a better athlete — and I think he’s a lot farther away from his ceiling.”

Not all of the pre-draft buzz on Carter has been as effusive. Before the national title game, Todd McShay, ESPN’s NFL draft analyst, said there “are some character issues,” with Carter. “Does he get along with everybody? What’s he like to deal with in the locker room? Those sorts of issues. I know it’s early in the process, but I’m forewarning everybody out there.”
Carter’s teammates pushed back on those comments on social media.

Carter didn’t seem to mind when asked about it last month. “Nah, it’s not hard to hear,” he told The Athletic. “I have a lot of motivation on my side, and every time something negative comes out, someone else will say something positive. It evens out. I really don’t need that added motivation. I always have a chip on my shoulder. I always try to be the best I can be.”
FTR Jalen Carter is #1 on my draft board and has been since the draft last year. IMHO I think the Texans would make a grave mistake passing on Jalen Carter. Imagine for a moment if the Texans had drafted Jordan Davis last year at #13. The Texans would have the best DL in the NFL. When I've said the Texans will waste the Watson ransom, this is what I mean.
 
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Not too shabby for a QB who's not mobile. I've been avoiding highlight reels of the QBs in this draft. Instead I've been watching games.
These QBs in the draft have pluses/minuses I'll support whoever they pick have no choice as a Texans fan. Mobility appears to some a lack of for Levis but then again he had been injured. I did not know of him much less the others had to do some homework after the season. Hopefully they pick what fits their future game plan scheme. No problem here if they picked Levis while filling other needs in the early rounds.
You have seen more college games than me. I usually watch my favorite few college teams and highlights on the others. Tho I really enjoy watching any college game.
 
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Jalen Carter is not working out.



Not seeing a lot of pushback on that. For a guy whose hype is based off potential and not production, you think there would be. I'd like to be in those interviews when teams ask Carter why he was tied for 4th in sacks on his team. Or why he was gassed in the semifinal game vs. Ghio State.

The character issues McShay is probably alluding to is Carter's football character. He is more talented that the Bulldog D-linemen that came out last year (Walker & Davis). But, those guys worked their tail off to shine at the combine. And reaped the rewards. Carter wants the rewards, and will likely get his. He just won't have to work for it.
Carter has already explained why he and some of his teammates were gassed. There was a 30-day layoff before the Ohio St game and the team was not as dedicated as they should have been. Probably why OSU played them closer than they should have. Carter said they made up for it the next week and you and TCU saw the results.

You cannot be a shirker if you can bench 225 LBS 40+, vertical jump mid-30s, and run a 4.8 while weighing over 300 LBS. All of his teammates have been effusive in their praise of Carter. Waiting to work out at his Pro Day gives him more time to train. Can't blame him. A lot of money is riding on it.

He did have 31 QB pressures. Why a IDL (Carter often lined up in the 0 tech) only had 4 sacks? For teams that played UGA, their OC design plays that get the ball out of the QB hands in < 3 secs. BTW UGA did get pressure on Stroud 6-7 times and in those situations, Stroud was the Stroud everyone says he is, doesn't perform well under pressure.
 
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There has been a barrage of articles re. Jalen Carter's "questionable character." But as I tried to track them down, they all led to Todd McShay as the source, someone who has been known to stir controversy.

*******************************************************************************************************

THE ATHLETIC
Why Jalen Carter is viewed by NFL scouts as biggest ‘game wrecker’ from Georgia in last 2 years

At this point of his career, Tray Scott is a hard man to wow. A coach can get that way when he’s been the Georgia Bulldogs’ defensive line coach for a long time.

Just a year ago, Scott had a bunch of proteges primed for the 2022 NFL Draft: Travon Walker, the eventual first pick, clocked a 4.51 40 after measuring 6 feet 5, 272 pounds. Jordan Davis, at more than 6 feet 6, 341 pounds, ran a blazing 4.78 40 and broad jumped 10-3 inches. Devonte Wyatt, a 304-pounder, timed a 4.77 40 with a 1.6 10-yard split. Perhaps the wildest thing about that defensive line group, though, is that the player most rival coaches thought was the best talent wasn’t even in last year’s draft.

That player, 21-year-old Jalen Carter — who has drawn comparisons to Pro Football Hall of Famer Warren Sapp as well as super-sized NBA dunking machine Zion Williamson — is in this year’s draft and is rated by The Athletic’s Dane Brugler as its No. 1 prospect.

Scott pondered the question about the most impressive thing he’s ever seen the 6-foot-3, 310-pound Carter do for nearly a minute and then smiled before going back to something he saw that blew his mind while recruiting him.

“I saw him punt a ball 60-some yards in a playoff game,” Scott said. “I had no awareness that he was a punter. He was a tight end and a fullback in a single-wing offense, and he could be a really good tight end and probably an even better fullback. I had seen some of his dunk videos and I knew he was an elite athlete, but I had no idea.” The veteran defensive line coach paused and craned his neck, tilting his chin skyward as if to mimic his reaction witnessing the massive high schooler launching a punt toward the heavens in the Florida state title game.

Coaches who have faced Georgia think Carter would have been the first Bulldogs defensive lineman picked if he were draft eligible in 2022. They couldn’t stop raving about No. 88 — about how twitchy he is, how ridiculous his get-off is, how strong his hands are.

“Ho-ly s—! This 88 jumps off the tape,” a veteran line coach told The Athletic last winter. “I think he is the best one in the front. He is so big but so quick-twitch. He has an uncanny ability to redirect and (he has) really good balance.”

“Eighty-eight’s initial quickness is ridiculous,” said another coach who played Georgia late in the season. Said an SEC offensive line coach: “We knew Jordan (Davis) was a good player, but everybody circles 88 as the game wrecker.”

Carter is a big reason Georgia allowed the fewest rushing yards in the past two seasons in college football and the Bulldogs won consecutive national titles. In 2022, he piled up 31 quarterback hurries — tied for tops on the team despite his being banged up for parts of the season. He sprained his ankle on the first play of the season against Oregon and was also slowed by an MCL injury. But there were also stunning displays of dominance, most notably in a showdown against Tennessee in which he had a sack, another TFL and two forced fumbles.

“He’s a good mixture of what Jordan could do in terms of being an elite run defender and what Devonte was able to do with creating explosion and making negative plays and creating havoc,” Scott said. “Jalen can literally play zero-nose to a nine-technique defensive end. You don’t really see that a lot from 6-3, 310-pound guys. That is so impressive. … If you name a characteristic of a really good defensive tackle, he has it. Very seldom do you find someone who has a good mixture of all the right stuff.”

A year ago at this time, it was Scott’s defensive linemen who stole the show at the NFL Scouting Combine. Carter will arrive in Indianapolis with an even bigger spotlight on him. Asked whether he can put up similar numbers in the combine or maybe get into the mid-30s in the vertical jump, Carter joked that he wasn’t even sure how to answer.

“Jordan Davis is a freak athlete too,” Carter said. “He’s incredibly strong and fast. Those numbers he put up were wild. Could I run in the 4.8s? I can work on it and we’ll see what happens there. … I’m gonna try to go higher than mid-30s (in the vertical).”
Scott wouldn’t doubt Carter, especially since he’s been training specifically for the combine. He acknowledged he never expected Walker to clock a 4.5 40. “I wouldn’t be surprised if Jalen hit a 4.8 (40) when he’s training for it,” Scott said. “And he’s really strong in the weight room. He could hit 40 (reps) easy (on the bench press) if he wants to. Maybe 50 if he really wanted to.”

Ty Darlington has a unique perspective on Carter. Darlington, a former All-Big 12 lineman at Oklahoma, was in his first season coaching in Norman when his dad sent him video of a 14-year-old Carter doing agility work as well as power cleaning and squatting.

“This is the most talented football player I’ve ever seen,” Rick Darlington, a state champion high school coach in Florida at Apopka High, told his son. “He’s gonna play in the NFL.”

Carter, then a freshman, was also excelling as an AAU basketball player. Auburn had offered Carter a scholarship by then. Herb Hand, the Tigers offensive line coach, marveled at what he remembers of the young standout playing H-back in those meat grinders of Apopka’s practices in vintage single-wing football, where it seemed like it was two hours of Inside Run drill period. Scott Fountain, a former offensive lineman and longtime O-line coach, was recruiting Carter along with Scott for Georgia. He attended Apopka’s spring game in Carter’s junior year and said it was as impressive a performance as he’d ever seen. He even pulled out his video camera to try to do justice to just how dominant Carter was at getting to the quarterback.

This year the younger Darlington, while on staff at Florida, faced Carter, and his dad’s prediction looked spot on.
“He’s unbelievable,” said Ty Darlington, now the tight ends coach at FCS Incarnate Word. “You should not be able to move like that with the fluidity and the bend he has. I’ve been watching film on this kid since he was 14, so it was really cool to see him living up to the potential.”

The only other defensive lineman Ty Darlington said he’s seen who is close to Carter was Alabama’s Quinnen Williams, whom he studied before Oklahoma played the Crimson Tide in the 2018 Orange Bowl. Darlington had pored over every game film Williams played and was so impressed by his progression from an underwhelming opener to becoming an “Oh, s—!” problem by Week 5. As dominant as Williams was, Darlington believes Carter is even more talented. “He’s more fluid and a better athlete — and I think he’s a lot farther away from his ceiling.”

Not all of the pre-draft buzz on Carter has been as effusive. Before the national title game, Todd McShay, ESPN’s NFL draft analyst, said there “are some character issues,” with Carter. “Does he get along with everybody? What’s he like to deal with in the locker room? Those sorts of issues. I know it’s early in the process, but I’m forewarning everybody out there.”
Carter’s teammates pushed back on those comments on social media.

Carter didn’t seem to mind when asked about it last month. “Nah, it’s not hard to hear,” he told The Athletic. “I have a lot of motivation on my side, and every time something negative comes out, someone else will say something positive. It evens out. I really don’t need that added motivation. I always have a chip on my shoulder. I always try to be the best I can be.”

 
Why a IDL only had 4 sacks?
3, but who's counting?

You do your best to apologize for Carter. I'm sure Drew Rosenhaus does the same. If it's strictly a beauty contest, Jalen Carter wins. Give him his roses and crown his arse. But if I'm spending a top 4 pick, I need to know I'm getting an uber talented player that will bust his rear, down after down like an UDFA. I want Aaron Donald. JJ Watt. Not a guy half arsing it.
 
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Totally agree but want to clarify my position: Fields will not put this roster into playoffs. Fields with draft picks including trade downs from 1.1 and 1.12 plus trade ups rounds 4 thru 7 plus trade of Brandin Cooks (today 4 articles mentioning "multiple teams interested") plus a few significant FAs might put us in playoffs this season.

However back the stage coach up a bit. One guy That no one has heard of has said bears will trade Fields and 1.1 to Houston.

Am I madly scribbling what I would do with additional pics from 1.1 trade down offers? You betcha. Do I realistically think that will happen? No. But I never thought that Houston would trade DeAndre Hopkins or give what we did for Laremy Tunsil.

IIRC, not too many years ago someone posted an incredible suggestion that a prominent Texan would be leaving. He was slammed and ridiculed. Turned out his source was correct.
I won't be surprised if the Texans & Bears do a deal in this Draft, and who knows maybe it's possible that a deal could involve
Fields - hey I think it's gonna be fun to sit back and watch !
RE the Hopkins & Tunsils deals, well we've got a new sheriff in town since those fiascos, and while I've got reservations about some aspects of Casserio's Draft last year I certainly wouldn't expect him to make anything approaching the scale of mistakes that "junior GM" O'Brien pulled-off while here in Houston.
 
No matter what, if the Texans stay at #2 they're guaranteed to get a guy either on the offensive side of the ball or the defensive side.

Nostradamus has nothing on me.

In all seriousness, I think Chicago stays at one and drafts Carter. I don't believe someone jumps up to grab a quarterback. The Texans need help stopping the run and rushing the passer, Will Anderson does both so he'll be the Texans first pick. That's just my guess and I'm basing it off of DeMeco and the comment Caserio made "we're in the team building stage" when asked about Cooks.
 
No matter what, if the Texans stay at #2 they're guaranteed to get a guy either on the offensive side of the ball or the defensive side.

Nostradamus has nothing on me.

In all seriousness, I think Chicago stays at one and drafts Carter. I don't believe someone jumps up to grab a quarterback. The Texans need help stopping the run and rushing the passer, Will Anderson does both so he'll be the Texans first pick. That's just my guess and I'm basing it off of DeMeco and the comment Caserio made "we're in the team building stage" when asked about Cooks.
Will that Carter arrest affect this draft selection? idnk
 
In all seriousness, I think Chicago stays at one and drafts Carter. I don't believe someone jumps up to grab a quarterback.
IMO because Jim Irsay has been riding the QB Carousel since Andrew Luck retired he will make Chicago an offer they cannot refuse. Chicago's thinking should be that gives Fields another year to improve or not and based on their roster, there is a good chance if Fields does not improve Chicago could be in position next year to get Williams or Maye.
 
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These QBs in the draft have pluses/minuses I'll support whoever they pick have no choice as a Texans fan. Mobility appears to some a lack of for Levis but then again he had been injured. I did not know of him much less the others had to do some homework after the season. Hopefully they pick what fits their future game plan scheme. No problem here if they picked Levis while filling other needs in the early rounds.
You have seen more college games than me. I usually watch my favorite few college teams and highlights on the others. Tho I really enjoy watching any college game.
I'm pretty much in the same boat. I'm thinking of taking out an insurance policy on BY, regardless of who drafts him. :voodoo:
 
Doesn't anyone remember this "event" prior to the Draft? No death involved, but that was shear luck. Both resulting from stupidity, with only one having the fortune of not involving fatalities.

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Williams apologizes for speeding video
Texans player denies he was racing in his new Lamborghini
Jerome Solomon, Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle
April 20, 2007
 
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