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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

Texian said:
So is the WR class, by a mile.
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The TE class is probably the best even more so than the WR class. I love a lot of TEs in this class

Speaking of strong position groups, this could be a historic tight end class.

McShay says he has five tight ends in his top 50, which is unheard of, and Jeremiah’s view of the group may be even stronger than McShay’s.

“I’ve never seen a tight end group this deep,” says Jeremiah. “Even just from a personal standpoint, my order’s changed just from the last few weeks. The more I’ve watched, I’ve moved guys around a bit, individually. Talking to teams around the league, they’ll have them in all different orders. The one thing that I’m curious about is because there’s just so many of them, I wonder if it pushes them all down.”

The thinking there being, of course, that you might find quality well into Day 2, rather than having to spend a first-round pick, but that doesn’t diminish the first-round level of play that does exist in this pool of players. And for Jeremiah, at least, the list starts with Utah star Dalton Kincaid, whose one knock is that he turns 24 in October. (He won’t work out in Indy due to a foot injury.) The USC tape alone was enough to trump that for DJ.

“I was watching the tape of all the targets, of all of his targets, and I literally thought I must’ve dozed off because I was like, There’s no way this game is still going,” he says. “How many freaking catches does this guy have in this game? Like, can you just stop him?”

Meanwhile, McShay has stuck to his guns on Notre Dame’s Michael Mayer, who was the consensus top tight end coming into the season and, for one reason or another, has slipped in the minds of some folks.

“I don’t know why,” McShay says. “Maybe it’s because he’s not the fastest guy. To me, he looks a lot like Gronk [Rob Gronkowski]—his run after catch, how physical he is; he’s a grown man.”

Then, there’s Oregon State’s hyperathletic Luke Musgrave, who starred at the Senior Bowl after missing much of the 2022 season with injury, and Georgia’s supersized Darnell Washington and … yeah, there’s a lot of potential here.
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steelbtexan said:
I like Maye just about as much as Williams.

Both are better prospects than any QB in this draft.
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My only concern with Williams is that he is a product of Lincoln Riley's offense. Outside of Hurt, who one can argue was already a great QB at Alabama before transferring his final season, we've got Murray and Mayfield as the sample size of success in the NFL.
 
A challenging thought...
Decisions to be had and it's not just a one position player that answers all questions for a winning team. Texans have various holes to fill.

Possible polarizing very talented 1st round top 2 drafted QB with much needed OL help
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Very talented potential improving late 1st or 2nd round QB with a very improved OL and DL.
 
zshawn10 said:
The TE class is probably the best even more so than the WR class. I love a lot of TEs in this class
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Best TE class that I've seen in 15 yrs.

Get your TE this yr and draft a guy like Mims in the 4th. They need playmakers and this is the yr to get a TE. I'm betting one of Mayer/Musgrave/Washington/Kincaid makes it to 2-33 and if that happens that's my pick.
 
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sandman said:
My only concern with Williams is that he is a product of Lincoln Riley's offense. Outside of Hurt, who one can argue was already a great QB at Alabama before transferring his final season, we've got Murray and Mayfield as the sample size of success in the NFL.
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A valid concern.
 
Lucky said:
This is from 2021. Bryce Young lets the ball go on Bama's 37. Hits Jameson Williams in stride at the Georgia 5 yard line. That's 58 yards. In the bucket.


But Bryce Young doesn't have NFL arm strength. And he's not accurate.
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Young is good, but also has some issues that he hasn't fixed. That said, he has also had some issues with his AC joint. Do you really want to draft a guy who is small framed and has had issues at the college level with AC joint injuries. At the NFL level players get heavier and hit harder. Meaning if his AC joint could be an issue already, do you want to risk it? If that shoulder gets worse due to the size of NFL hits you could have a short life span. And we have already seen Stingley have not just issues with Lisfranc but other injuries that are slowing his progress. True the scheme didn't help
 
TexanBorn51 said:
A challenging thought...
Decisions to be had and it's not just a one position player that answers all questions for a winning team. Texans have various holes to fill.

Possible polarizing very talented 1st round top 2 drafted QB with much needed OL help
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Very talented potential improving late 1st or 2nd round QB with a very improved OL and DL.
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They can fix the OL/DL and add a couple of play makers in this draft. An Achane clone RB Mitchell out of East Carolina can be had later in the draft and he has difference making speed.
 
Texian said:
Odds are against the Texans drafting Young. Especially if the Colts pony up 3 1st RD picks.
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That will be a tough price to beat.
SnakeEyes said:
Do you really want to draft a guy who is small framed and has had issues at the college level with AC joint injuries.
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If he plays QB at the level of Bryce Young, then yes. He would be the best QB in Texans franchise history.
 
steelbtexan said:
This will come with better coaching and experience.

It appears BOB coached up Young very well.
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I certainly don't put that out of the realm of possibility. Which is why I don't want to reach in a year there's no consensus. I honestly have no idea which guy will end up being a franchise QB, if any. I do think Young has the highest floor though.
 
Lucky said:
Watch a little more tape on Young. He didn't throw 900+ passes in a clean pocket, and the pocket won't be dirty at the combine.
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Regardless of his Bama passes, I'd like to see him throw just to make sure this AC joint thing isn't still an issue.
Now Admittedly, I'm not sure of when the reported/supposed AC injury occurred, so he could very well be past it. I have no idea
One way to know for sure is to see him throw.
 
michaelm said:
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Now Admittedly, I'm not sure of when the reported/supposed AC injury occurred,
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Young injured his right shoulder in the 2nd quarter of the Arkansas game. He landed on the shoulder after being tripped and throwing the ball away. Young missed the A&M game the following week, and returned at the home game versus Mississippi State. Threw for 249 yards, 2 TDs and 0 INTs in the Crimson Tide's 30-6 victory.

Every part of Young's tiny body (including his shoulder) will be examined at the combine. Young will throw at his pro day, which will likely be televised on the NFL Network.
 
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Porky said:
Bryce Young fan club, party of two. Your table is ready.

Our special menu today is roasted crow, served with a side of mashed cheesy fan regrets. After your meal, you'll finish with just desserts.
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My greatest fear is being in an old folks home, with Kathy Bates as my nurse.

My 2nd greatest fear is watching Bryce Young in a Colts uniform beating the Texans for the next decade.
 
Lucky said:
So your analysis is that Young doesn't have an NFL arm and is not accurate?
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Need to read a post before replying. I stated that it was a nice pass. My concern was the excessive windup it took to get the ball there. If the pocket isn’t as clean as it was….that ball could’ve easily resulted in a fumble or strip sack.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Need to read a post before replying. I stated that it was a nice pass. My concern was the excessive windup it took to get the ball there. If the pocket isn’t as clean as it was….that ball could’ve easily resulted in a fumble or strip sack.
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So tell me, does Bryce Young have NFL arm strength and accuracy? That's what the post was about. I promise not to tell your Hooker.

Patrick Mahomes throwing long pass in college.

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SnakeEyes said:
AC joint injury I think he has had 3. And not going to throw. That's a big gamble. Even if his medical is good it's going to make scouts and coaches wonder. He will need a huge pro day to shake doubt about a possible long term injuries to his shoulder
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Wut? Are you aware of how he did the seven games after injury? Only thing he has to convince NFL teams is he can handle hits.
 
Lucky said:
True that. A lot to love in that 194 lb body.

You watched those Georgia games last year. How many times did guys like Walker and Carter smack Young, but he got back up and continued firing at them? Seems like you would respect that?
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As a starting QB in the SEC, the number of National Championships won: Stetson Bennett 2; Bryce Young 0.
 
IDEXAN said:
Here's a question for you draft gurus: a hypothetical.
Let's say that Will Anderson runs a slow 40 say 4.6 something but a lesser known edge prospect knocks out a really fast 40, say maybe sub 4.5 does that mean that Anderson's chances of being the first edge player taken in the 2023 Draft are lowered ?
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No but size comparison to stats; Foskey and Anudike-uzomah are very close and can be had later. Drew sanders round 2 preferable to me over Anderson.
 
IDEXAN said:
Oh wait so let's see how he does on that all-important wonderlic ? OK ?
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Levis appears to be academic smart i.e. could do really well on the Wonderlic. That does not mean he processes football movement fast or well.

His father Mike played football at Denison University, an NCAA Division III school in Ohio, while his mother, Beth Kelley, was a two-time All-American soccer player at Yale. An uncle played football at Yale, and his maternal great-grandfather Alva Kelley was an All-American football player at Cornell University and later a head coach for several college teams. Levis graduated with a master's degree in finance from Kentucky's Gatton College of Business and Economics.[1]
 
Lucky said:
There are questions about Carter & Anderson. For Carter, it's motor & lack of production. For Anderson it's size and universal scheme fit. There are no perfect players in this draft. But, the players at the top of this draft are better than the players at the top of last year's draft. Four players in this draft would have come off the board before Travon Walker.
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What are your concerns about Eugene Forbes and Isaiah Brown. Bijan Robinson, Foskey and Tuipulotu?
 
Lucky said:
This is from 2021. Bryce Young lets the ball go on Bama's 37. Hits Jameson Williams in stride at the Georgia 5 yard line. That's 58 yards. In the bucket.


But Bryce Young doesn't have NFL arm strength. And he's not accurate.
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Well, he is frail and short and his offensive line couldn't block for him..

Oh... wait

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Lucky said:
Bennett will be a superstar. In the XFL.
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Dude got two national championships, was the two-time offensive MVP in the title game, and over his two years as a full-time starter was 26-1 with 7k passing yards and a 56:14 TD to Int ratio, winning some massive games along the way.

Had he not been 5'11" and 190 lbs, we'd be talking about him along with Stroud, Levis, Young, Hooker and Richardson. But yet here we are talking about Young with the same size and stats, minus the national championships and MVPs.
 
sandman said:
Had he not been 5'11" and 190 lbs, we'd be talking about him along with Stroud, Levis, Young, Hooker and Richardson. But yet here we are talking about Young with the same size and stats, minus the national championships and MVPs.
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That's why you have to watch a player with your eyes. And not the accolades. Bennett is a shorter Danny Wuerffel or Chris Weinke.
 
sandman said:
Many people who get paid to be NFL analysts have stated that he has at best an average NFL arm and would struggle to consistently make certain throws in the NFL.

Just because you linked one video showing him making a good throw doesn't change the assessment of the experts.

But go ahead with your strawman arguments that I said he was on the same level as Mills.
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Ok show these expert evaluations. PFF says high level and this said excellent.
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The Quarterback Spy: Bryce Young, Alabama - NFL Draft Blitz

NFL Draft analyst John Vogel breaks down Alabama quarterback Bryce Young in-depth as part of the #QBSpy series on NFL Draft Blitz.
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