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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

SnakeEyes said:
I agree. If for no other reason that we got a great RB last year in the 3rd. And DP has the tools to be a multi-year pro bowl player and likely top 5 RB. What type of message is it to DP if we take a RB in the 1st at #2? Do we need a RB? The jury is out on that. We have DP and then some unproven RBs on the roster. I think we can easily get a RB in rounds 4 or 5 that will be what we need. Which is a change of pace, 3rd down, and spell DP for a breather. I don’t think we need a stud so to speak but just a "just in case" type guy. Someone who can carry the ball 5 to 10 times a game and catch a few passes on 3rd down. But most importantly give DP a few 1-2 play breaks per quarter. If DP was hurt, then there are a few 4th and 5th round RBs who could have a good chance to take up the slack pretty well.

I would love to see
CJ
Edge or DT
At 1.2
At 1.12 get an OL or D player (still wanting a Edge or DT)
2nd round grab either WR, TE or OL

Then go BPA in a position of need. Maybe even a DB.
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Going with my presumed notion that Slowik is going to lean towards a running game to establish the past, I want at least one more starting level RB and hopefully two. I have qualified my position saying RBs should be able to serve as a WR in some instances. My faves Bijan and Charbonnet qualify. IF we take a QB at 2 and everything points that direction, we need to make sure he is protected and successful; focusing on targets and Interior Oline (hopefully in free agency for latter).
 
vtech9 said:
Teams also saw Tua complain about not being able to see over the line of scrimmage. Tua is listed as 6'-1" now, but was measured at 6'-0" at the combine. If Tua has problems seeing over the LOS, how is a 5'-10" QB going to handle it? Tua probably doesn't have much time left in the NFL because of his injuries. We'll have to wait and see how Tiny Tim's size will relate to injuries.
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I don’t know how did he see over his online at Alabama the last two years? How did Drew Brees see over his oline when he was having a HOF career? How did Wilson see over his online while winning superbowls? Seriously stop with this dumb ****.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm not going to be the 1st to make this bet and it's not just Young's height, it's his frame. He's a really small dude.

If you think he's the unicorn then you would be willing to risk your career on him then you're a much bigger risk taker than I am.
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His frame bothers me. His height doesn’t. If don’t like or want him that’s fine but stop using excuses that have already been disproven. I’ve already said I wouldn’t draft a QB this year at #2. I’m in the trade down and acquire as many picks in the top 100 as possible. This team is so void of talent it’s ridiculous. Good to great QBs hit the market these days. If there isn’t a generational QB (and there is not ) in this draft, load up on talent. Be patient we’re really only in year one, arguably year two of this rebuild. Look what they’ve done in SF. Load up the OL, DL, and get legit weapons in place.
 
banned1976 said:
I'd love to see the Texans get consistent pressure from the front four. Kancey and Carter would go a long way in that regard.

I picked Skoronski because of value and who was on the board at 33.
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Kancey seems really inconsistent to be going that high.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
All of this nonsense is why IDNGAF until after the combine.

Looking at pictures where he's standing next to people whose heights are just as mysterious as his own? Seriously.

We'll know soon enough.
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Yeah, I've kind of checked out of any draft talk until the combine also. Let's see the metrics and how these guys do in direct peer drill before making any conclusions. Bryce will probably be around 5'11, give or take 1/2 inch, so there's no real mystery here. Until there's something to actually talk about, like surprise outliers in the combine drills, this talk is kind of moot now. Discussions are getting circular and boring, quite frankly. Need more data in which opinion can really sway/solidify.
 
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The Pencil Neck said:
All of this nonsense is why IDNGAF until after the combine.

Looking at pictures where he's standing next to people whose heights are just as mysterious as his own? Seriously.

We'll know soon enough.
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i have arizona jumping up to #1 to get bryce

and the texans taking levis at #2 or cj which ever nick and meco fall in love with

at 12 we take a saftey branch
 
Number19 said:
No trading war, but Texans may make an offer. The Texans may have missed out on Mahomes because they didn't make the attempt to make the trade.

Me personally, if we don't take Young, I like to see Caserio work the trades to move down and pick up additional draft capital.
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The Texans made the attempt. According to @steelbtexan, Smith wouldn't give up a third to get the deal done. The Chiefs gave up what was needed. For the record, if Mahomes came to the Texans, I doubt he'd be the Mahomes we know today. OB would've broken him.
 
mussop said:
I don’t know how did he see over his online at Alabama the last two years? How did Drew Brees see over his oline when he was having a HOF career? How did Wilson see over his online while winning superbowls? Seriously stop with this dumb ****.
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I'm pretty sure they looked over their respective online's using a monitor. That doesn't help much on a football field. :cowboy1:
 
Earl34 said:
For some reason. This picture is drawing laughs and short jokes. Maybe she is wearing heels? Really, high heels?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1625899115283460109
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Mina: I am 5'7" and wearing 4" high heels!

5'7" + 4" = 5'11"..............the picture shows Bryce ~4" taller than Mina............supposedly making him ~6'3"" tall.............Riiiiiight!
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Bryce: Mina, nice try. I know you are wearing 4" heels, but I shall not be outdone!! :foottap:

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DocBar said:
The Texans made the attempt. According to @steelbtexan, Smith wouldn't give up a third to get the deal done. The Chiefs gave up what was needed. For the record, if Mahomes came to the Texans, I doubt he'd be the Mahomes we know today. OB would've broken him.
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We don't know this. I mean Derrick lead the NFL in passing yards one yr.

It sure would've been nice to find out.
 
mussop said:
I don’t know how did he see over his online at Alabama the last two years? How did Drew Brees see over his oline when he was having a HOF career? How did Wilson see over his online while winning superbowls? Seriously stop with this dumb ****.
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You stop with the dumb sh!t. College is different than the NFL. Brees was over 6'-0" tall. Young is 5'-10" at best, and has a very slight build. Russell Wilson was 5'-10 5/8" coming out of college, and is still expected to be taller than Young. Wilson also has a much stouter build than Young, which is where my worry lays with him. Wilson was put in a system with one of the best RB's in the NFL, and a system that put him on the move, so he could see. With Wilson's larger build, he was better able to take the punishment of playing that style of offense. Young's slight build will have him out of the NFL in short order, if he tries to play like Russell Wilson.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Mina: I am 5'7" and wearing 4" high heels!

5'7" + 4" = 5'11"..............the picture shows Bryce ~4" taller than Mina............supposedly making him ~6'3"" tall.............Riiiiiight!
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Bryce: Mina, nice try. I know you are wearing 4" heels, but I shall not be outdone!! :foottap:

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I wonder how well Tiny Tim can play while wearing these lifts.
 
Texansphan said:
I think she's 5'7" IN heels.
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Just having fun with a ridiculous debate.......all should be settled with the Combine measurements. No matter how you look at it, whether you want him or not, he is small in stature and light in body density by today's NFL standards. Whatever team drafts him, even with all of his "talents," must accept the fact that he will be fighting the battle of trying to be one of the very few examples of being successful as a QB in the NFL. I will be interested in how he fares, especially how and for how long his relatively slight physique body type stands up to NFL defenses.
 
mussop said:
I don’t know how did he see over his online at Alabama the last two years? How did Drew Brees see over his oline when he was having a HOF career? How did Wilson see over his online while winning superbowls? Seriously stop with this dumb ****.
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You are comparing two different groups with different population sizes.

About only 2% of the college players you watch go pro.

Think about all those players you watch and how many don’t make it. That is a lot. Thousands of players.

So saying well so and so could do it in college is just so strange for lack of a better word. Maybe ignorant is better?

I think we are forgetting, maybe on purpose, on how big of a leap it is for athletes to go from college to the pros.

Have we forgotten about Tim Tebow? I know Josh McDaniels didn’t and look how that turned out.

We can’t get lost in the hype and the emotions.
 
Anytime you can upgrade your QB, you do it. Jalen Hurts Justin Fields is not the current GM or HC pick. For those reasons don't be surprised if Chicago trades Hurts Fields and drafts Young. It’s kind of a no brainer. Texans will get the scraps if they go QB or they can get the cream if they go DL.
 
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Texian said:
Anytime you can upgrade your QB, you do it. Jalen Hurts is not the current GM or HC pick. For those reasons don't be surprised if Chicago trades Hurts and drafts Young. It’s kind of a no brainer. Texans will get the scraps if they go QB or they can get the cream if they go DL.
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I thought Hurts was an Eagle?
 
Texian said:
Anytime you can upgrade your QB, you do it. Jalen Hurts is not the current GM or HC pick. For those reasons don't be surprised if Chicago trades Hurts and drafts Young. It’s kind of a no brainer. Texans will get the scraps if they go QB or they can get the cream if they go DL.
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Not possible and would be one the dumbest things ever, Jalen Hurts was traded by his team.
 
A lot of you football savants surely have empirical data to back up your claims that a slighter build equals a much higher risk of a reduced career length and/or an increased risk of severe injury over a guy with a larger frame.

Why is it that none of you have posted this yet? I'll continue to wait.
 
Porky said:
A lot of you football savants surely have empirical data to back up your claims that a slighter build equals a much higher risk of a reduced career length and/or an increased risk of severe injury over a guy with a larger frame.

Why is it that none of you have posted this yet? I'll continue to wait.
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I don't think empirical data is required to theorize a football player with a slight build is at higher risk of injury than one with a bigger build. But, if Young has a quick delivery, ability to feel pressure in the pocket like Mahomes, and an elite ability to read defenses at the los, the slight build may not be a factor. If all those attributes are true with Young, I'll be fine with the pick at #2. If not...

I prefer bolstering both the defense front 7 and the offensive front this year and punting on a quarterback in round 1 this year. The defense is as big a problem (if not bigger) than the quarterback situation and if the line can't block for the quarterback, it doesn't matter the build of the quarterback, he's going to get rocked.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Just having fun with a ridiculous debate.......all should be settled with the Combine measurements. No matter how you look at it, whether you want him or not, he is small in stature and light in body density by today's NFL standards. Whatever team drafts him, even with all of his "talents," must accept the fact that he will be fighting the battle of trying to be one of the very few examples of being successful as a QB in the NFL. I will be interested in how he fares, especially how and for how long his relatively slight physique body type stands up to NFL defenses.
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You can't make fun of short quarterbacks here. It upsets people. I don't know why...but, it does.
 
banned1976 said:
If I think I can get Hooker in the 4th, or fairly painlessly move back into the third round and take him, no.

I just feel like 2023 is all about getting the stage set for a quarterback. They can wait on Hooker to heal for a year.
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I think they should make whichever QB they draft start the season with a clipboard in their hands and only play them when they are clearly ready to play. Especially since it's going to be a transitional year for the OL. Let Mills take the lumps as the OL finds its way.
 
Porky said:
A lot of you football savants surely have empirical data to back up your claims that a slighter build equals a much higher risk of a reduced career length and/or an increased risk of severe injury over a guy with a larger frame.

Why is it that none of you have posted this yet? I'll continue to wait.
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I won't make you wait. It's simple. No one has bothered to do a compprehensive long-term collegiate or NFL comparison study. The Packers did a very limited "observation" of this subject and concluded that the smaller players spent more time on the Injury reports than did the larger players. But I wouldn't necessarily accept this isolated observation as valid.

If we are going to speak of Bryce and his injury history..........which is not being discussed at all for some reason, let's take a look. Oct of last year, he sustain an A/C shoulder separation when he was tackled and landed on his shoulder. He missed only 1 game. In the NFL, the most common mechanism for a QB to sustain an A/C separation is when a tackler comes down with his full weight on the QB, driving his shoulder into the turf.

What is concerning is that I have found that Young has sustained at least 4 A/C separations in the past, albeit apparently grade I. But in the NFL those NFL defensive players will be likely expected to place much more weight behind any similar trauma to the shoulder.
 
vtech9 said:
You stop with the dumb sh!t. College is different than the NFL. Brees was over 6'-0" tall. Young is 5'-10" at best, and has a very slight build. Russell Wilson was 5'-10 5/8" coming out of college, and is still expected to be taller than Young. Wilson also has a much stouter build than Young, which is where my worry lays with him. Wilson was put in a system with one of the best RB's in the NFL, and a system that put him on the move, so he could see. With Wilson's larger build, he was better able to take the punishment of playing that style of offense. Young's slight build will have him out of the NFL in short order, if he tries to play like Russell Wilson.
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Wilson is also a master of sliding and avoiding most of the big hits. I could see Young excelling in a Shannahan-style WCO. I could see most any QB excelling in it, though. Pierce might well be one of the best backs in football this season. He showed the vision to see holes and make one cut and head up-field last season. There will be some growing pains early on as the linemen adapt to the system and gel, though.
 
This is about the best breakdown of CJ Stroud's pluses and minuses. He does have some very good qualities. The greatest concern is his poor pass completion under pressure. Ohio State had a great OL and he had lots of weapons............so he didn't experience pressure very often. But when he did, he sort of panicked and "broke down."

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2023 NFL Draft Profile: C.J. Stroud, QB, Ohio State
C.J. Stroud has been a phenomenal college quarterback at Ohio State University. If he's available by the Indianapolis Colts' pick, should Indy pull the trigger?
 
I had Stroud as a mid-first selection until that Georgia game. He really showed me something there and to me that made him a top 5 pick.

Yes it was one game, but it's important to note it's Georgia, not the little sisters of the poor - senior division. Stroud was on fire that game and threw numerous dimes under pressure and off-schedule against a ridiculously good college defense.

I guess the lingering question is did the guy grow in that game and will continue to progress in that area, or will he revert to the mean. I'd like to think with good pro coaching and a dedication to improvement, it's the former and not the latter.
 
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