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2019 Texans draft

Well, lets get it going. I'd liken to start with a recommendation. I think the NFL should adjust their draft positions based solely on the 16 game results. The playoffs are simply another season all together. WC teams have gotten hot in the playoffs and went on to win it all, they should have their draft position penalized b/c of it.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Well, lets get it going. I'd liken to start with a recommendation. I think the NFL should adjust their draft positions based solely on the 16 game results. The playoffs are simply another season all together. WC teams have gotten hot in the playoffs and went on to win it all, they should have their draft position penalized b/c of it.
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ummm, the SB winner picks 32nd? If a WC team makes it to the SB, they pick no higher than 31st?
 
It does seem somewhat unfair that a team gets penalised for winning the SB.
What about moving their second round pick to the top of the second round?
In effect, they would have picks 32 and 33.
Just spitballing here.
 
infantrycak said:
What penalty? In theory you just proved you're the best team in football. Seems a bit ridiculous to then turn around and say "well we're not really that good."
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Injuries to the top teams may have made the mission easier for the #12 WC team.....doesn't mean they would beat the best team if healthy.
 
Texansphan said:
It does seem somewhat unfair that a team gets penalised for winning the SB.
What about moving their second round pick to the top of the second round?
In effect, they would have picks 32 and 33.
Just spitballing here.
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A snake draft?... that has problems of it's own towards competitive balance
 
I'm ok with the draft order as is. Not so much with how compensatory draft picks are awarded. (Yes, I'm admitedly biased to the Texans and we seem to get shafted often.)
 
steelbtexan said:
Atleast they participated in FA last yr.

Much different than the yr before.
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Free agency is so damn inefficient that you don't really want to play unless you believe yo are close or just cant fill that position otherwise , it can be cap crippling.

Just look at Colvin last year …. $8.5m for hot garbage that didn't even suit up in the last two games. Not a lot of money for a quality corner but way too much for an average or worse corner.

The only OT's worth their salt who changed teams were Solder and Norwell …. all the rest stayed put for the most part. The quality Corner market was just as thin … that's why they paid Colvin more than he was worth.

If it were up to me , the only guys I'd attempt to sign in free agency are proven high quality players and bargain bin types that if they work out will outperform their contracts. I'm not messing around with the middle types , they just aren't cost efficient.
There might be a few exceptions to that rule but not many ….

Also the timing of the use of free agency is important - you don't want to cripple yourself cap wise when you don't have most of the pieces in place …. the last free agency period is a good example of that. They were lacking talent at OT , OG , CB , TE and S … not a real good idea to handcuff yourself going forward when you have so many needs , especially when those positions lack quality talent in the FA pool - particularly OT and CB.
 
Corrosion said:
Free agency is so damn inefficient that you don't really want to play unless you believe yo are close or just cant fill that position otherwise , it can be cap crippling.

Just look at Colvin last year …. $8.5m for hot garbage that didn't even suit up in the last two games. Not a lot of money for a quality corner but way too much for an average or worse corner.

The only OT's worth their salt who changed teams were Solder and Norwell …. all the rest stayed put for the most part. The quality Corner market was just as thin … that's why they paid Colvin more than he was worth.

If it were up to me , the only guys I'd attempt to sign in free agency are proven high quality players and bargain bin types that if they work out will outperform their contracts. I'm not messing around with the middle types , they just aren't cost efficient.
There might be a few exceptions to that rule but not many ….

Also the timing of the use of free agency is important - you don't want to cripple yourself cap wise when you don't have most of the pieces in place …. the last free agency period is a good example of that. They were lacking talent at OT , OG , CB , TE and S … not a real good idea to handcuff yourself going forward when you have so many needs , especially when those positions lack quality talent in the FA pool - particularly OT and CB.
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Agreed on the middling type of FA's except when they fit an exact need. Example: WR John Brown is a guy you can use when Fuller goes down again and your offense doesn't miss a beat.

What do you think about signing a middle of the pack FA OT like Donovan Smith or Trent Brown? I like the Idea of signing a vet LT and drafting a young guy that played both LT/RT in college and letting him start out at RT and that way you're covered if your LT gets hurt. Cajuste/Dillard/Scharping come to mind as these types of guys.

At CB Claiborne/Melvin are the only CB that I would consider an upgrade, but there will be some rebuilding teams looking to trade vets for picks and you have to consider doing everything possible to upgrade the CB position, particularly when the Texans are going to be facing the QB's they're going to be facing next yr.
 
steelbtexan said:
Agreed on the middling type of FA's except when they fit an exact need. Example: WR John Brown is a guy you can use when Fuller goes down again and your offense doesn't miss a beat.

What do you think about signing a middle of the pack FA OT like Donovan Smith or Trent Brown? I like the Idea of signing a vet LT and drafting a young guy that played both LT/RT in college and letting him start out at RT and that way you're covered if your LT gets hurt. Cajuste/Dillard/Scharping come to mind as these types of guys.

At CB Claiborne/Melvin are the only CB that I would consider an upgrade, but there will be some rebuilding teams looking to trade vets for picks and you have to consider doing everything possible to upgrade the CB position, particularly when the Texans are going to be facing the QB's they're going to be facing next yr.
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I think if you're serious about upgrading the Oline this offseason you have to get a vet OT in FA. It's a tall order to ask for 1 rookie tackle to come in and make an impact, let alone 2. Colleges don't coach up these guys how they use to so they take time to adjust in most cases. Smith or Brown is a must for this team IMO.

Same goes with Corner, we need multiple corners this off season and if 2/3 of your top corners are rookies you're in for a long season. Claiborne/Melvin are decent options. Another guy I'd keep my eye on if the money is right is Jason Verett. Easily the most talented corner in FA, he can man up and be a true shut down corner when healthy. But thats the thing can he stay healthy? That's the biggest qualifier with him, which makes him a big risk/reward candidate, but if the money is right it makes it very tempting
 
Shishkabob said:
I think if you're serious about upgrading the Oline this offseason you have to get a vet OT in FA. It's a tall order to ask for 1 rookie tackle to come in and make an impact, let alone 2. Colleges don't coach up these guys how they use to so they take time to adjust in most cases. Smith or Brown is a must for this team IMO.

Same goes with Corner, we need multiple corners this off season and if 2/3 of your top corners are rookies you're in for a long season. Claiborne/Melvin are decent options. Another guy I'd keep my eye on if the money is right is Jason Verett. Easily the most talented corner in FA, he can man up and be a true shut down corner when healthy. But thats the thing can he stay healthy? That's the biggest qualifier with him, which makes him a big risk/reward candidate, but if the money is right it makes it very tempting
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Talented vets are a must if you have rookies and can still offer guidance off the field but you must have one that can stay on the field and be field generals. We have been bitten too many times by injury prone guys. Let's go after durable types - even if they are a little below the top tier guys. Save money too.
 
I had a moment and wanted to check out the updates on the Draft Simulator sites. There has been quite a bit of players movement. Anyhow, the most up to date information was on Fanspeak. Fanspeak of course offers no trades unless you pay for the upgrades....I choose not to, so I did a draft with no trades.

FANSPEAK DRAFT

23: R1P23 Fanspeak Format, I adjusted my draft.

RD1-23-023: Dalton Risner / RT / Kansas State

RD2-21-053: Julian Love / CB / Notre Dame

RD2-23-055: Isaiah Johnson / CB / Houston **Big jump...must be size and speed**

RD3-22-086: Mitch Hyatt / LT / Clemson

RD4- No Picks

RD5-23-162: Corbin Kaufusi / EDGE / BYU **Check this guy out!**

RD6-22-197: Trayveon Williams / RB / Texas A&M **I'm sold after that Bowl Game, guy has game**

RD7-06-222: Matt Sokol / TE / Michigan State **Big blocking TE who helped make the Spartans running game go...even though he wasn't used much as a receiver, he can catch**

This would be a solid draft that addresses several needs. I would still make a big attempt to sign the following FA's to help mold this team:

NON-TEXANS FA

1. LT / Donovan Smith / Tampa Bay / Penn State / Age- 26 / 2018: 1.5M / PFF: Rank- 47 Grade- 66.0: I think he could be the best fit out there since he's already familiar with OB and his offense. Could be a smooth transition.

2. CB / Jason McCourty / New England / Rutgers / Age- 32 / 2018: 3.0M / PFF: Rank- 05 Grade- 83.1: If they could get him for the right money, he'd be a hell of an addition. JJo might be expendable with this signing.

TEXANS To RE-SIGN

1. SS / Kareem Jackson

2. DT / Christian Covington

3. K / Ka'imi Fairbairn

4. FS / Tyrann Mathieu

5. RT / Seantrel Henderson

6. DE / Angelo Blackson

7. DE / Brandon Dunn

8. OLB / Brennan Scarlett

9. ILB / Josh Keyes

TAG and/or TRADE

1. OLB / Jadeveon Clowney
 
As an MSU fan, pass on Sokol. Stone hands and an above average blocker.

Dropped countless TD's/1st downs. Do not want him anywhere near Watson.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Well, lets get it going. I'd liken to start with a recommendation. I think the NFL should adjust their draft positions based solely on the 16 game results. The playoffs are simply another season all together. WC teams have gotten hot in the playoffs and went on to win it all, they should have their draft position penalized b/c of it.
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I think draft positions should be preassigned on a rotational basis independent of records. I think there should be rough parity every draft, i.e. the team with the 1st pick should choose 32nd in round 2. Then there would be no incentive to tank a season for a once-in-a-lifetime QB prospect, etc.
 
Seegara said:
I think draft positions should be preassigned on a rotational basis independent of records. I think there should be rough parity every draft, i.e. the team with the 1st pick should choose 32nd in round 2. Then there would be no incentive to tank a season for a once-in-a-lifetime QB prospect, etc.
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You can kiss league parity goodbye with a snake draft and how do you establish the order if you are ignoring record?
 
AngryNateFTW said:
As an MSU fan, pass on Sokol. Stone hands and an above average blocker.

Dropped countless TD's/1st downs. Do not want him anywhere near Watson.
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The Texans have 2 TE's who can be amazing receiving threats. I want Sokol strictly for blocking purposes. Texans can work on his hands but he's primarily there as a big body blocker.
 
infantrycak said:
If you want soneone "strictly for blocking purposes" might as well run an OT out there.

And it is a resounding fail if the coaches can't make 280 lb Thomas into a decent blocker.
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Yeah, using a TE 'strictly for blocking purposes' kinda destroys the value of having a TE on the field. Defense no longer has to guess if he's going out on a route or not
 
JB said:
Yeah, using a TE 'strictly for blocking purposes' kinda destroys the value of having a TE on the field. Defense no longer has to guess if he's going out on a route or not
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To loop back to the FB discussion...

A blocking TE is committed to one side and can be schemed against. He's also forward so can't see pressure except right in front of him. A FB can see the entire line and swing to any threat or release as a safety valve.

But that hope is probably pissin' in the wind.
 
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infantrycak said:
To loop back to the FB discussion...

A blocking TE is committed to one side and can be schemed against. He's also forward so can't see pressure except right in front of him. A FB can see the entire line and swing to any threat or release as a safety valve.

But that hope is probably pissin' in the wind.
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Probably, but perhaps the moon will turn blue in June and while it's snowing Gaine will sign an UDFA that turns into the next Moose
 
JB said:
Probably, but perhaps the moon will turn blue in June and while it's snowing Gaine will sign an UDFA that turns into the next Moose
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So I'll admit a bit of a Cowboys perspective here. Grew up to Roger Newhouse. Always wanted to see him stand next to Earl because the two of them had the biggest thighs in the NFL. But he was a terror, rushing for 500-930 yds while obliterating people as a blocker. And then Moose came along. He was part of a team that gave up less than 200 sacks in a decade. Both should be HoF.

Obviously that's a high bar, but I think it is foolish to eliminate the position.
 
JB said:
Yeah, using a TE 'strictly for blocking purposes' kinda destroys the value of having a TE on the field. Defense no longer has to guess if he's going out on a route or not
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Sokol is 6-6 @ 250 lbs+ and he did make some catches but is primarily viewed as a sound blocker. Griffin is 6-6 @ 250 lbs+ and cannot block and has superb hands of stone...not to mention an uncanny ability to commit drive killing penalties....yet he was OB's primary TE all season long. Hell,Sokol would be a major upgrade if he were competing against Griffin. So drop Griffin and replace him with Sokol. At least if OB's OC wants to run a 2 TE set in the RZ, he should have 2 blocking TE's (Thomas and Sokol) to use as an option.
 
infantrycak said:
So I'll admit a bit of a Cowboys perspective here. Grew up to Roger Newhouse. Always wanted to see him stand next to Earl because the two of them had the biggest thighs in the NFL. But he was a terror, rushing for 500-930 yds while obliterating people as a blocker. And then Moose came along. He was part of a team that gave up less than 200 sacks in a decade. Both should be HoF.

Obviously that's a high bar, but I think it is foolish to eliminate the position.
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Yeah, but it was Robert, I don't know Roger
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Sokol is 6-6 @ 250 lbs+ and he did make some catches but is primarily viewed as a sound blocker. Griffin is 6-6 @ 250 lbs+ and cannot block and has superb hands of stone...not to mention an uncanny ability to commit drive killing penalties....yet he was OB's primary TE all season long. Hell,Sokol would be a major upgrade if he were competing against Griffin. So drop Griffin and replace him with Sokol. At least if OB's OC wants to run a 2 TE set in the RZ, he should have 2 blocking TE's (Thomas and Sokol) to use as an option.
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Using Griffin as a comparison is weak sauce. Besides, you stated that you wanted Sokol 'strictly for blocking purposes' and that would defeat it's own purposes... maybe as a cheap UDFA that perhaps can find a pair of hands
 
infantrycak said:
So I'll admit a bit of a Cowboys perspective here. Grew up to Roger Newhouse. Always wanted to see him stand next to Earl because the two of them had the biggest thighs in the NFL. But he was a terror, rushing for 500-930 yds while obliterating people as a blocker. And then Moose came along. He was part of a team that gave up less than 200 sacks in a decade. Both should be HoF.

Obviously that's a high bar, but I think it is foolish to eliminate the position.
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Before your time, but Walt Garrison was a great FB for the Cowboys in the 60's and early 70's. Dallas had quite the run on the position.
 
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Will the Texans consider a full back at some point in free agency or the draft?

Or is full back an obsolete position now
 
Lucky said:
Before your time, but Walt Garrison was a great FB for the Cowboys in the 60's and early 70's. Dallas had quite the run on the position.
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Yeah, he was Cowboy before my time to a way. His drawl and Lilly defined. And Landry's fedora.

7

He was JJ before born.
 
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Lucky said:
Before your time, but Walt Garrison was a great FB for the Cowboys in the 60's and early 70's. Dallas had quite the run on the position.
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Walt Garrison (The Cowboy's cowboy) was my favorite player as a kid, followed by Charlie and Cliff. Walt was also a champion cowbouy on the rodeo circuit
 
gwallaia said:
Will the Texans consider a full back at some point in free agency or the draft?

Or is full back an obsolete position now
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I don't think the position is obsolete, 3/4 teams still left have FBs and use them fairly frequently. Especially not obsolete if you want a power run game like OB says he wants. I think our FB was just obsolete, he really did not do anything well at all, he wasn't a very good blocker, he had stone hands, and he was bad on STs. Like all the things you need your FB to be good at, he was bad at.
 
JB said:
Walt Garrison (The Cowboy's cowboy) was my favorite player as a kid, followed by Charlie and Cliff. Walt was also a champion cowbouy on the rodeo circuit
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Charlie credited his picks to Cliff.

You had to appreciate Captain Crash.

More than any other 188 lber; he hit. (You earn that moniker for a reason)

Cliff was just mean. He played to put you out of the game. He was textbook drive thru."
 
Players the Texans met with at the East-West Shrine Game

Ole Miss safety Zedrick Woods

Purdue Wide Receiver Terry Wright

Elon's OG Olisaemeka Udoh

Auburn WR Ryan Davis

Texas A&M Defensive Lineman Daylon Mack
 
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