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Uncle Rico said:
Clowney just completed his first 16 game pro bowl season. Minor arthroscopic procedure worries me 0% .. he's overcome microfracture and I'm not doubting him again.
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This is an important point and he killed a lot of criticism off after proving himself on the field and I give him kudos for that.
However, it does not make him immune to further injury complications.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
No surgery is "minor" or a positive prognostic sign when it's performed on a knee that has already undergone microfracture.
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In the same vein that not all negative prognosis' are impossible to overcome. Demeco proved it, Duane proved it and so has JDC .. this cleanup procedure was nothing compared to what he's already been through.
 
Uncle Rico said:
In the same vein that not all negative prognosis' are impossible to overcome. Demeco proved it, Duane proved it and so has JDC .. this cleanup procedure was nothing compared to what he's already been through.
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Did Demeco prove it?

His mobility was greatly reduced.

Most of his tackles were inside the tackle box.

DB wasn't the same player after his injury. Serviceable but not the same.

Do you really want to risk making JDC the highest paid defender with those knees?
 
steelbtexan said:
Did Demeco prove it?

His mobility was greatly reduced.

Most of his tackles were inside the tackle box.

DB wasn't the same player after his injury. Serviceable but not the same.

Do you really want to risk making JDC the highest paid defender with those knees?
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So returning to pro bowls is the standard when coming back from ''career ending injuries"? Demeco led the eagles in tackling for several years. Duane went political and his playing form suffered not a physical impairment. I wouldn't be surprised to see him have a good season now that he's refocused.

JDC will pick up where he left off. He should be happy if the Texans are willing to pay 10Ms for McKinney imagine what he will get. I'd say about 100Ms with 40-50 Guaranteed. Won't be the highest .. Aaron Donald will be highest paid defensive player in history. Mack may even get more than JDC.
 
Uncle Rico said:
So returning to pro bowls is the standard when coming back from ''career ending injuries"? Demeco led the eagles in tackling for several years. Duane went political and his playing form suffered not a physical impairment. I wouldn't be surprised to see him have a good season now that he's refocused.

JDC will pick up where he left off. He should be happy if the Texans are willing to pay 10Ms for McKinney imagine what he will get. I'd say about 100Ms with 40-50 Guaranteed. Won't be the highest .. Aaron Donald will be highest paid defensive player in history. Mack may even get more than JDC.
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Well there's one mans opinion.

I'm not willing to take a risk on a guy with that knee history. Do you remember CnD's posts about how long microfracture surgeries last and and the studies that back up his reasoning?

I'll take that over your feelings. No offense intended.
 
steelbtexan said:
Well there's one mans opinion.

I'm not willing to take a risk on a guy with that knee history. Do you remember CnD's posts about how long microfracture surgeries last and and the studies that back up his reasoning?

I'll take that over your feelings. No offense intended.
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In my perfect scenario Clowney plays under the 5th year option this season and franchise tag next season. If he acquires a DPOY award in this time then we’ll talk about the mega deal but I don’t want to commit to a contract that could put this team in cap hell if he’s going to be compromised due to injury.
 
TheRealJoker said:
In my perfect scenario Clowney plays under the 5th year option this season and franchise tag next season. If he acquires a DPOY award in this time then we’ll talk about the mega deal but I don’t want to commit to a contract that could put this team in cap hell if he’s going to be compromised due to injury.
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The smart way to do business.

# Tricky Ricky
 
Uncle Rico said:
In the same vein that not all negative prognosis' are impossible to overcome. Demeco proved it, Duane proved it and so has JDC .. this cleanup procedure was nothing compared to what he's already been through.
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Per SteelBTexan. But, you evidently can't seem to accept that when you go back into a microfracture knee for a "clean up," it's always to remove more cartilage or meniscus or microfracture pseudocartilage......any one or all of which contribute to further instability of the joint........and one step closer to another bone on bone situation. It does not necessarily have to do with the "magnitude" of his latest surgery............this is a definite case of "less" (knee lining) is "not more." Clowney has done his best to admirably return from his microfracture surgery, but time now is working against him as is all the past core and lower body injuries he has continued to suffer along the way. I have nothing but respect for what Clowney has done and like everyone else am still hoping that he does well, but that does not change the reality of the degenerative course of his original microfracture surgery.
 
None of you have seen him on the field yet and go out of your ways to play the "cautiously optimistic" fan. He plays bad it's an " I told you so" .. he plays good it's "only a matter of time before he breaks down" or the funnier "I knew he had it I .him just needed to be sure"

Smelling just like the Deshaun thread.
 
Uncle Rico said:
None of you have seen him on the field yet and go out of your ways to play the "cautiously optimistic" fan. He plays bad it's an " I told you so" .. he plays good it's "only a matter of time before he breaks down" or the funnier "I knew he had it I .him just needed to be sure"

Smelling just like the Deshaun thread.
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Usually when you spend 100 million+ on a player you want their medical record to be squeaky clean.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Clowney just completed his first 16 game pro bowl season. Minor arthroscopic procedure worries me 0% .. he's overcome microfracture and I'm not doubting him again.
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Sound logic. How does one argue that?

CloakNNNdagger said:
No surgery is "minor" or a positive prognostic sign when it's performed on a knee that has already undergone microfracture.
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With science!

Uncle Rico is short for Rick Smith.
 
Uncle Rico said:
None of you have seen him on the field yet and go out of your ways to play the "cautiously optimistic" fan. He plays bad it's an " I told you so" .. he plays good it's "only a matter of time before he breaks down" or the funnier "I knew he had it I .him just needed to be sure"

Smelling just like the Deshaun thread.
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You mean our reactions are like a business is being ran with real money instead of Monopoly money?
 
Here comes the circle jerk!

Game threads this year will be fun. The "You owe JDC an apology" thread will be gold.

Can't wait!
 
Uncle Rico said:
Here comes the circle jerk!

Game threads this year will be fun. The "You owe JDC an apology" thread will be gold.

Can't wait!
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Hope so. Just like I hope Texans win a Super Bowl. Will anyone who does not call a Texans Super Bowl win right now have to owe the team an apology?
 
TexansBull said:
You mean our reactions are like a business is being ran with real money instead
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TheRealJoker said:
Hope so. Just like I hope Texans win a Super Bowl. Will anyone who does not call a Texans Super Bowl win right now have to owe the team an apology?
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Not a good analogy. Everyone wants the team to succeed I would hope. Not everybody it seems will support the players entirely because now you have to be 100% healthy in order to be successful in the NFL. Lingering doubts, guy doesn't deserve the money even though team is like 30Ms below the cap.

Paralysis by analysis.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Not a good analogy. Everyone wants the team to succeed I would hope. Not everybody it seems will support the players entirely because now you have to be 100% healthy in order to be successful in the NFL. Lingering doubts, guy doesn't deserve the money even though team is like 30Ms below the cap.

Paralysis by analysis.
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“Your best ability is availability”.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Exactly. Ed Reed won a Super Bowl before coming here 100% healthy right?!
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Ed Reed wasn't coming off a pro bowl season when he came here. All signs screamed beware and the Texans couldn't help themselves.

Deshaun Watson won a national championship after an ACL then tore another one. Using your logic the team shouldnt look to extend him or maybe shouldn't have drafted him at all and he will probably have a negative impact on the team .. as well as JDC this season. Is that about right?

And when they play good what will y'all get to do? "Well it's better to be safe than sorry any scientific businessman knows that duh we always supported them, we had a right to be wary" yada yada barf.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Ed Reed wasn't coming off a pro bowl season when he came here. All signs screamed beware and the Texans couldn't help themselves.

Deshaun Watson won a national championship after an ACL then tore another one. Using your logic the team shouldnt look to extend him or maybe shouldn't have drafted him at all and he will probably have a negative impact on the team .. as well as JDC this season. Is that about right?

And when they play good what will y'all get to do? "Well it's better to be safe than sorry any scientific businessman knows that duh we always supported them, we had a right to be wary" yada yada barf.
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Reed was named to the 2012 pro bowl team his final year in Baltimore. But it appears you’re only blindly loyal to paying Texans players until the decision was proven to be a bad one after the fact. The unfortunate problem with that is the team suffers making bad financial decisions and will not achieve the end goal of winning a Super Bowl.
 
Uncle Rico said:
I won't be. Texan MO is usually to let skilled players walk and to overspend on marginal talent because of their "rules" and stuff. You know the championship Texan football way.
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"Marginal talent", give me a break. In 2017 only one player in the entire league had 100+ tackles and at least 5 sacks..guess who it was? We haven't seen a linebacker do that since Jamie Sharper..and despite Houston's franchise struggles we've seen some damn good linebacker seasons/players here.

While last season there was a drop off in the total tackle numbers..the entire unit dropped off under Vrabel. He still was a beast in the backfield though.

And you're wrong about this being the Texans' MO. If the Texans followed their "MO" Cushing would already have his lucrative deal before he proves that he's fully healthy. I'm glad they aren't jumping the gun with him and possibly repeating that mistake.

Relax if Clowney proves he's good health wise, he'll get his contract, but given his injury history it's completely the old Texans MO and stupid to give it to him now. Houston already said they want to sign him so they're only waiting on the health of his knee...reason why this isn't the old Texans MO.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Clowney just completed his first 16 game pro bowl season. Minor arthroscopic procedure worries me 0% .. he's overcome microfracture and I'm not doubting him again.
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This scope ISN'T MINOR..it was advertised that way, but look at what's happening... He's well exceeded the return time.

Furthermore I don't think Clowney has a "minor anything" left involvng that microfracture knee. That issue is going to be a chronic concern just like J.J.'s back.
 
Uncle Rico said:
None of you have seen him on the field yet and go out of your ways to play the "cautiously optimistic" fan. He plays bad it's an " I told you so" .. he plays good it's "only a matter of time before he breaks down" or the funnier "I knew he had it I .him just needed to be sure"

Smelling just like the Deshaun thread.
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We're all rooting for the guy to continue to be a absolute monster, but the above post just contradicted why you are so upset with the Texans for not extending Clowney right now. Mainly because they HAVE seen him out on the field post scope and have halted negotiations at this time. Anthony Weaver who has seen him out on the field and is his direct coach already admitted that he had a set back. So honestly..I don't understand why you're so upset with the team for playing it safe for once?
 
Uncle Rico said:
Here comes the circle jerk!

Game threads this year will be fun. The "You owe JDC an apology" thread will be gold.

Can't wait!
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I don't think I've said anything to personally apologize to him about (again rooting for him, just like Watson), but if I did, it certainly wouldn't be on that thread, because I doubt he's reading it.

Same reason why I think the Deshaun Watson apologize thread is dumb as hell.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
They will sign Clowney to a hefty contract. They're probably working out the details as we speak.
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If they are that means good news for his knee, since I don't think the Texans are just following past M.O.s

This is a complete guess on my part, but the way Gaine was originally talking about the resigning..I think the major perameters of the deal have already been worked out, but put on hold when Clowney had his set back.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Ed Reed wasn't coming off a pro bowl season when he came here. All signs screamed beware and the Texans couldn't help themselves.

Deshaun Watson won a national championship after an ACL then tore another one. Using your logic the team shouldnt look to extend him or maybe shouldn't have drafted him at all and he will probably have a negative impact on the team .. as well as JDC this season. Is that about right?

And when they play good what will y'all get to do? "Well it's better to be safe than sorry any scientific businessman knows that duh we always supported them, we had a right to be wary" yada yada barf.
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Deshaun Watson tore his knee, then led his team to the brink of winning a National Championship...he then followed that up by winning a National Championship, proving that he recovered well from his injury long before the Texans ever drafted him (the extend talk is light years away)..lets hope he repeats that and thank God his knee injuries were never of the microfracture severity.

Honesty I don't know what your gripe is? You slammed the Texans for their previous MO, but when they change leadership and go against it, you still accuse them of practicing the same MO.?
 
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steelbtexan said:
Did Demeco prove it?

His mobility was greatly reduced.

Most of his tackles were inside the tackle box.

DB wasn't the same player after his injury. Serviceable but not the same.

Do you really want to risk making JDC the highest paid defender with those knees?
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Ok.....so the Texans can trade JC to the NYG for OBJ. O'Brien can go full speed towards a Run-N-Shoot with Watson, Hopkins, Beckham Jr, Fuller, Coutee, Miller and an assortment of TE's as targets. Miller (RB) would have his best chance at some real success running in a R&S offense. Watson and this unit would dwarf Moon's accomplishment's b/c of the talent at the skill positions.

Everyone knows this was just for fun?
 
Uncle Rico said:
None of you have seen him on the field yet and go out of your ways to play the "cautiously optimistic" fan. He plays bad it's an " I told you so" .. he plays good it's "only a matter of time before he breaks down" or the funnier "I knew he had it I .him just needed to be sure"

Smelling just like the Deshaun thread.
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I'm generally a very optimistic person but because of the Cushing contract I would proceed very cautiously in handling the Clowney situation. Clowney plays under the 5th year option and Texans franchise him in 2019...it's not like he wouldn't be getting paid.

Personally, not out of disappointment but based on a shear business decision....I would've traded Clowney before the draft for a solid pick in this past draft, a solid pick in 2019 to include a late pick as well. This becomes a tricky situation now b/c the Texans don't want to get burned, Clowney wants security and there's a set of bad knees in between.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I'm generally a very optimistic person but because of the Cushing contract I would proceed very cautiously in handling the Clowney situation. Clowney plays under the 5th year option and Texans franchise him in 2019...it's not like he wouldn't be getting paid.

Personally, not out of disappointment but based on a shear business decision....I would've traded Clowney before the draft for a solid pick in this past draft, a solid pick in 2019 to include a late pick as well. This becomes a tricky situation now b/c the Texans don't want to get burned, Clowney wants security and there's a set of bad knees in between.
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So basically it's a good chance they will screw him over. Thanks to the collateral damage of Watt and Cushing. But hey that's football for you right. Opt I hate the fact that this young man came in dealing with injuries.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Here comes the circle jerk!

Game threads this year will be fun. The "You owe JDC an apology" thread will be gold.

Can't wait!
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Nobody is saying he's not going to do well this year or the next few years for that matter. They're saying the condition he has with his knee isn't one that gets better, IT ONLY GETS WORSE. Paying the man the kind of money we're looking at, knowing that his knee is not magically regenerating cartilage, is pretty risky at best.
 
Texans have waived QB Stephen Morris with kicker Nick Rose officially signing.

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I don't think so... thought this person was just brought in because Fairbairn is currently dealing with an injury
 
Fairbairn is injured and needs a couple of weeks. This is a warm body filling a slot; nothing more. ST have to practice as well.
 
beerlover said:
Clowney for Mack. Chucky might just do it?
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Would love this even if pipe dream. Mercilus plays much better as the jack, better than Clowney, and Mack is a prototypical 3-4 SOLB. Even more I would like to see a trade for Vic Beasley, a win win for both teams IMO. Clowney may only have a few years left but he would beast as a 4-3 RDE in Atlanta.
 
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