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2017 Texans Free Agents/Salary Cap Situation: Where do we stand?

I'd be surprised if we sign Bouye for much more than $9M/yr so I doubt his first year will be more than $6 or $7M against the cap.
All the better. He wants to stay in Houston; hopefully we'll a hometown discount.

I think the players are really excited about the defense next year with Watt returning and I think the organization would like to keep the current make up as intact as possible. They'll have to tweak it a little, but not drastically.
 
Of the QB's currently on the roster , I tend to agree Savage is the best option.... I just don't see him as being that much better ... enough ?

This team is competent quarterback play away from a Lombardi Trophy .... I don't see Savage as "competent" .... even if he is better than Oz.
No one knows if Savage is the long term answer, but I think he's much more competent than Os. Let's be honest here, though. Until the right side of the OL is fixed, it doesn't matter who you put back there, short of maybe Rodgers or Wilson, they aren't going to be in a position to thrive.
 
I've posted multiple times the direction I would take the team going into free agency and the draft, so I won't repeat.

But I believe we currently have about $25M in cap space. If I set aside $5M for signing draft picks and misc; and subtract $10M for signing Bouye, then I now have about $10M of available cap space. Just roughly, I calculate we need about $15M to resign our own FA's. I have to find approximately $5M in cuts, which is manageable.

So all in all, I think, going forward with my plan for the off season, I think I am in pretty good shape, cap wise.

However, I'm thinking I'd like to try and sign a veteran RT, and to do that I would likely need an additional $3-5M.

To do this, I would need to release one or two veterans currently on the roster that I would really like to keep. Either this, or find ways to renegotiate contracts.

I'm probably overly conservative in my numbers, so I feel pretty good about my plan being financially sound.


There are about 11 mil in manageable cuts between Weeden, Bergstrom, Newton, and Clark. Plus getting back 500k for each additional signing past 51 players, the Texans currently have 54 players under contract.
 
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...an-peterson-has-considered-giants-bucs-texans

Peterson worth kicking tires on? Seems he fits the Obrien smash square peg into round hole running philosophy.

I say why not. We are going to constantly run on first and second down any ways, may as well try to get something out of it.

Just, whatever. We are not getting a good QB next year is my guess, may as well try to build an old school team that gets a 10 point lead and runs the game away. It would be nice to win that way considering that the league is moving to be so pass happy nowadays.

Not sure how he works with the cap though.
 
Bouye was tied for second in the league for most pass interference penalties in the NFL in 2016 with 6. The only player with more pass interference penalties was Nolan Carroll of the Eagles who had 7 with 910 snaps compared to Bouye's 6 with 745 snaps. Bouye also had 2 defensive holding penalties. Bouye had the most penalties of anyone on our team with 10. He accounted for the 5th most yards gifted through penalties in the entire league.

All that and this was his best year, by far. He only had one other year in which he even saw significant snaps.

I really don't understand why people would be ok with paying him $8M+. There is just no way that he is worth that much. It doesn't even fit our current or future situation in regards to cap at CB.
 
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Bouye was tied for second in the league for most pass interference penalties in the NFL in 2016 with 6. The only player with more pass interference penalties was Nolan Carroll of the Eagles who had 7 with 910 snaps compared to Bouye's 6 with 745 snaps. Bouye also had 2 defensive holding penalties. Bouye had the most penalties of anyone on our team with 10. He accounted for the 5th most yards gifted through penalties in the entire league.

All that and this was his best year, by far. He only had one other year in which he even saw significant snaps.

I really don't understand why people would be ok with paying him $8M+. There is just no way that he is worth that much. It doesn't even fit our current or future situation in regards to cap at CB.

TBH, I wouldn't mind either way on Bouye... whether we re-sign him or let him go on FA. I mean, don't get me wrong, I hope we'll be able to re-sign him for cheap. But I have a feeling a team will pay him a big number, and in that case, let him go.

I don't know Bouye personally, so I have no idea what his motives are. But he could easily be a guy that played really well this season just for that big payday. I hope we bring him back, but I won't lose any sleep if we don't. I'm more than happy with the trio of KJo, KJax, and JJo.
 
I like the way he plays. Tough, physical, aggressive. I think he & KJo play a style of football I can get behind.

I'm not saying I don't mind the penalties. That is a disturbing number & I'm surprised the number is so high.

I want to keep him on our team. I value him more than I value KJax & Jjo. I think he should be paid as much.

OT a bit, but I'd throw a flag at KJAX every time he made a play. He always looks guilty, like he got away with something. KJo & Bouye seem to act as if they just solved world hunger.
 
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With J.J. Watt coming back I think showing some interest in Adrian Peterson would be wise. We'd have the #1 defense and likely the #1 rushing attack in the league... A combo of Adrian Peterson and Lamar Miller in the backfield would see a ton of carries. You can even sell me on Brock Osweiler starting at quarterback going into 2017 with that dangerous run game and defense.

Adrian Peterson lives in our neck of the woods here in Houston. That would be pretty cool to see him chase Emmitt Smith's all-time rushing record over the next three or four years in a Houston Texans jersey.

I know a lot of people may fear he'd be another Ahman Green and a washed up, former superstar running back. But he's actually missed a lot of games with injuries and suspension (hitting his child) in recent memory (Only 3 games played and 1 game played in two of the past three season - hardly any carries and plenty of time to rest and heal), that he has less wear-and-tear than the usual 31-year-old, soon to be 32-year-old RB.

And would Bob McNair okay an Adrian Peterson signing?
It's been three years since that incident when he hit his child (disciplined him too harshly).
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But I saw some of those photos and they disgusted me at the time...
And Roger Goodell suspended him for all of the 2014 season if I recall.
But he's become a better father and man from that sad mistake.

Who knows. Could Adrian Peterson help us in 2017? Yes he could.

Seems like a long shot that the Texans sign him though. We'll see. I'd be open to it.
 
With J.J. Watt coming back I think showing some interest in Adrian Peterson would be wise. We'd have the #1 defense and likely the #1 rushing attack in the league... A combo of Adrian Peterson and Lamar Miller in the backfield would see a ton of carries. You can even sell me on Brock Osweiler starting at quarterback going into 2017 with that dangerous run game and defense.

Adrian Peterson lives in our neck of the woods here in Houston. That would be pretty cool to see him chase Emmitt Smith's all-time rushing record over the next three or four years in a Houston Texans jersey.

I know a lot of people may fear he'd be another Ahman Green and a washed up, former superstar running back. But he's actually missed a lot of games with injuries and suspension (hitting his child) in recent memory (Only 3 games played and 1 game played in two of the past three seasons - hardly any carries and plenty of time to rest and heal), that he has less wear-and-tear than the usual 31-year-old, soon to be 32-year-old RB.

And would Bob McNair okay an Adrian Peterson signing?
It's been three years since that incident when he hit his child (disciplined him too harshly).

But I saw some of those photos and they disgusted me at the time...
And Roger Goodell suspended him for that 2014 season if I recall.
But he's become a better father and man from that sad mistake.

Who knows. Could Adrian Peterson help us in 2017? Yes he could.

Seems like a long shot that the Texans sign him though. We'll see. I'd be open to it. But I'm not the one writing the checks and owning the team. Bob McNair likely doesn't think the way I do when it comes to putting a winning football team together.

But I'll say this, if the Texans do sign Adrian Peterson and J.J. Watt makes a healthy return, I think I'd call us one of the favorites in the AFC going into 2017 and that's with Brock Osweiler starting at quarterback. We would have some real superstar power out there on both sides of the ball for the big games. I'd welcome another playoff game against the Patriots and I wouldn't even feel nervous about playing them.

My main worry right now? Will Fuller. He needs to learn how to CATCH!

Forum server is lagging for me lately... Double post, trouble editing, etc... etc...
 
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With J.J. Watt coming back I think showing some interest in Adrian Peterson would be wise. We'd have the #1 defense and likely the #1 rushing attack in the league... A combo of Adrian Peterson and Lamar Miller in the backfield would see a ton of carries. You can even sell me on Brock Osweiler starting at quarterback going into 2017 with that dangerous run game and defense.

Adrian Peterson lives in our neck of the woods here in Houston. That would be pretty cool to see him chase Emmitt Smith's all-time rushing record over the next three or four years in a Houston Texans jersey.

I know a lot of people may fear he'd be another Ahman Green and a washed up, former superstar running back. But he's actually missed a lot of games with injuries and suspension (hitting his child) in recent memory (Only 3 games played and 1 game played in two of the past three season - hardly any carries and plenty of time to rest and heal), that he has less wear-and-tear than the usual 31-year-old, soon to be 32-year-old RB.

And would Bob McNair okay an Adrian Peterson signing?
It's been three years since that incident when he hit his child (disciplined him too harshly).
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But I saw some of those photos and they disgusted me at the time...
And Roger Goodell suspended him for all of the 2014 season if I recall.
But he's become a better father and man from that sad mistake.

Who knows. Could Adrian Peterson help us in 2017? Yes he could.

Seems like a long shot that the Texans sign him though. We'll see. I'd be open to it.


I used to play football with AP step brother. I do not agree with people saying it was child abuse. I say this because they are a pretty close family and AP mom did the same to both of them until they left the house. AP has taken care of his mother with a beautiful house a great car and no bills and loves his mother because he know he deserved it when it happened to him. I only met AP once but he is a very down to earth guy. would love to see him play here
 
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I like the fact that Adrian Peterson has only played in 4 games out of 32 possible regular-season games in two out of the last three years. He played a full 16 games in between that. He's body is fresh and healed. He's about to turn 32 years old but he hasn't taken much pounding over the past three seasons because of injuries and that so-called child abuse suspension. I'm in agreement it was just strict parenting and discipline. He's past that unfortunate incident already and forgiven by many.

I would sign Adrian Peterson in a heart beat.
But I don't own the team. Bob McNair does.

If I owned the Houston Texans we'd likely have won a Super Bowl or two, if not three by now. Instead we're 0-3 in the divisional round of the playoffs with zero AFC Championship Game appearances in our 15-year history.
 
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AP coming here is an interesting thought.
he wouldn't have to be the focus of the running game; he could split time with Miller and keep both relatively fresh.
It would depend on how much he'd be willing to sign for.
 
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Cap is supposed to go up also. There will be extra room to work with.

You have to hold on to the guys that develop. Constant turnover is a shitty culture. I don't think it will take 9M per for AJ. Everyone so focused on flags and aren't giving him credit for being the best DB on the team last year.
 
Cap is supposed to go up also. There will be extra room to work with.

You have to hold on to the guys that develop. Constant turnover is a shitty culture. I don't think it will take 9M per for AJ. Everyone so focused on flags and aren't giving him credit for being the best DB on the team last year.


I was thinking more along the lines of $4-5m ..... and he's well worth that despite the penalties many of which were on long plays - penalty or touchdown for the opponent?
 
If I owned the Houston Texans we'd likely have won a Super Bowl or two, if not three by now.

Now THAT is WTF I am talking about! Hell yeah! If I had several billion dollars, I'd make mcNair an offer he couldn't refuse and then give the team to you. I really would.
 
Now THAT is WTF I am talking about! Hell yeah! If I had several billion dollars, I'd make mcNair an offer he couldn't refuse and then give the team to you. I really would.

Except that McNair was saying the same thing as he was waiting for a team. It ain't as easy as it looks.
 
I was thinking more along the lines of $4-5m ..... and he's well worth that despite the penalties many of which were on long plays - penalty or touchdown for the opponent?
SpotTrac's market value model says you need to double that figure
Link


Market Value
  • 5 yrs, $56,467,376
  • Avg. Salary: $11,293,475
  • NFL Rank: #62
  • CB Rank: #9
 
SpotTrac's market value model says you need to double that figure
Link


Market Value
  • 5 yrs, $56,467,376
  • Avg. Salary: $11,293,475
  • NFL Rank: #62
  • CB Rank: #9



Damn .... I don't think I'd give him that figure or anything approaching it considering the financial responsibilities committed to other guys at the position.

Wonder if they would cut or renegotiate JJo to free up $$.
 
Damn .... I don't think I'd give him that figure or anything approaching it considering the financial responsibilities committed to other guys at the position.

Wonder if they would cut or renegotiate JJo to free up $$.
Like I said, make him a reasonable (but kinda cheap) offer. If he wants more, then we do that thing (and I can't remember what the term is) that lets us match it if we so choose.
 
Like I said, make him a reasonable (but kinda cheap) offer. If he wants more, then we do that thing (and I can't remember what the term is) that lets us match it if we so choose.

I think you're thinking of the NBA. We can match any offer he gets, but only if he brings it back to the team. He could sign any offer he gets without coming back though, same thing we did with Brock and the Broncos. He's also not a Restricted Free Agent, which works differently than normal FA.
 
I think you're thinking of the NBA. We can match any offer he gets, but only if he brings it back to the team. He could sign any offer he gets without coming back though, same thing we did with Brock and the Broncos. He's also not a Restricted Free Agent, which works differently than normal FA.
I was thinking of Restricted Free Agents:
Restricted free agent (RFA): Can be offered three pre-determined one-year contracts. Another team can swoop in and try to beat the offer, but the original team can match the offer (and can get a draft pick if he's signed away).
But it's too late for that.
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Bouye's game against NE:

NE 2nd possession: Called for 30 yard pass interference along left sideline against Hogan. He never turned his head and grabbed Hogan. Next play, Bouye is beat by Hogan along the right sideline for 22 yards. Sets up NE at 13 yard line, they score on the next play. This drive took 3 plays and Bouye gave up 52 yards on it.

NE 3rd possession: On first play, Bouye gets beat on slant by Floyd, he was wide open, but Floyd drops it and it ricochets forward into Bouye's hands. It would have been an easy 1st down, instead it's an interception. At this point, the Pats have run 7 plays and 3 have targeted Bouye.

NE 6th possession: Beat easily by Hogan on a play action out route for a first down and 7 yards. This is in the red zone and he tackles Hogan out of bounds at the 2. Not sure why he's back peddling so far here. Next play, NE runs play action and looks right, while Bouye is playing other side of field. Nobody immediately runs into Bouye's area so he runs toward middle of field and runs straight into Hal. Not sure what he is doing on this play as he covers nobody and no zone for almost the entire play. Lucky, as Brady runs up middle and is tackled at 1. Nice tackling by other defenders on a play action to their FB and then run by Blount forces FG.

Halftime.

NE 7th possession: Bouye jumps a slant route and almost intercepts it on the first play. Excellent break on the ball and he read Brady's eyes it looked like. This is where he excels, on short routes, as long as he isn't packpedding like crazy right away as he was earlier in the game. Coaching adjustment? Interesting to note on this play, Kareem Jackson was playing deep safety in what looked like cover 1. He started as the nickel corner on the same side as Hal, but when Hogan went into motion, Hal came down on Bennett to line up at LB death and then KJ dropped back and motioned to Moore, who came down on Hogan when Hogan became the slot receiver on the opposite side of the field. Really cool to watch the defense communicate and move on this play. I actually think that Brady got a bit confused on this play and stared down Floyd. Pressure on 3rd down forces Brady to try to throw to a covered crosser, incomplete.

NE 8th possession: Pats are again attacking Bouye downfield along the sideline. Edelman runs a real loose, kind of lazy, go and Brady throws it quick to the outside shoulder and Bouye touches him out of bounds. 1st and 18, Hogan runs a 20 yard out on Bouye. I think Moore was supposed to be covering the intermediate area along the sideline and Bouye was supposed to drop deep on this play. I'd put this one on Moore. Regardless, Hogan catches it and runs out of bounds for a first down. NE ends up scoring by isolating Lewis on McKinney and Moore just doesn't have the range or play recognition to even get close to getting there to help McKinney.

NE 10th possession: 2nd and 6, Brady throws quick right at LOS to Floyd, as Bouye was playing 12 yards back, then breaks Bouye's tackle and runs for first down. Very nice play by McKinney to end this drive by laying out to deflect a pass over the middle and Hal intercepts it. Also, Merci got quick pressure on that play.

NE 12th possession: Pats take over in red zone and run a pitch left to Bouye's side. Bouye does an excellent job of avoiding the left tackle, who was pulling out to block him, but then misses the tackle on the running back when he breaks down to stop him, Pats stopped at 1. Next play, TD run by Pats.

NE 13th possession: Another aside, Texans run that same cover 1 look with KJ at deep safety a lot during this drive. Pats break run through to third level at one point and KJ comes up and makes an excellent tackle 1 yard short of the first down. On 3rd and 10, Pats run pitch to Bouye's side and he comes up and forces a fumble, but nobody is there to recover it.

Granted, Bouye has had better games, but this is kind of what you see when smart teams have tape on a player with specific deficiencies. There's plenty of tape now on Bouye to understand how best to attack him, and he didn't perform very well under those circumstances.

Just an aside, we would really benefit on defense from better safety play. Moore and Hal both aren't very good in the run game and neither has great range. Both can't tackle all that well and they take poor angles. Hal does have range at times, but I'm not sure his play recognition is very good on most plays so it usually doesn't matter. Moore is not a starter, he should stay a backup. Also, Jackson got worked by Edelman in this game.
 
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I agree safety play needs major improvement. With how deep the CB market is in FA and the draft, there is no reason to overpay Bouye, there are lots of other options.


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Talked to AJ Bouye mentions that Houston is the place he wants to be but enjoying the Super Bowl week and meeting people

https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/826510958537367553
The guy could despise living in Houston or maybe yern to return to FLA whatever for all we know and he's still gonna say that when he's on the verge of entering into FA when he will get paid bigtime. It's not just him because guys in his position always say the same sort of things and they'd be unwise not to. It's just good business.
 
The guy could despise living in Houston or maybe yern to return to FLA whatever for all we know and he's still gonna say that when he's on the verge of entering into FA when he will get paid bigtime. It's not just him because guys in his position always say the same sort of things and they'd be unwise not to. It's just good business.
if he gets a big payday, I hope it's not the Texan's giving it to him, or it's about the same as JJo's. Bouye is a bit overrated and a PI machine. I'm all for that if the Texans can cut JJo with a minimal cap hit.
 
Jackson isn't the only one getting worked by Edelman. Daniels, Brady, and Edelman work a lot of DB's.

Very true, it was a difficult matchup and he had to handle it for the majority of the game. We actually asked Kareem to do a lot for us in that game, I'm not sure there is a guy on defense that was asked to play more roles.

Piggybacking off that and my earlier observation after rewatching the game, I think Jackson to safety is a move that could actually happen. Assuming we resign Bouye, which I've made obvious is not my preference, or don't draft a corner high and don't add a safety. It actually fits his skill set quite well, assuming he can hold up from a health perspective. He's always been much better when he can keep plays in front of him and he would provide some flexibility from a coverage standpoint. Just a thought. I'd rather draft someone more suitable, but it's not a crazy idea.
 
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Jackson isn't the only one getting worked by Edelman. Daniels, Brady, and Edelman work a lot of DB's.
Some folks also complaining (or at least commenting) on what Hogan did to us in the playoff game. Talked like he was a nobody who embarrassed us. Would have been true prior to this season, but not true going into the divisional playoff game. A monster game (180 yards and two TD's) against the Steelers would seem to emphasize that.
 
Some folks also complaining (or at least commenting) on what Hogan did to us in the playoff game. Talked like he was a nobody who embarrassed us. Would have been true prior to this season, but not true going into the divisional playoff game. A monster game (180 yards and two TD's) against the Steelers would seem to emphasize that.


There will be true slot corners available in draft with good skill sets that will fall because they are undersized and can't play outside. You really need one of those guys because asking a guy who is 6'0 to run with a midget is too much.


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Texans want to sign Hopkins, Bouye to long-term contracts
Mitch Sanderson Feb 1, 2017 3:31 PM
While the Houston Texans may be looking to switch things up at quarterback, there's at least two positions on their roster that don't need any changes.

This offseason, the Texans intend to sign receiver DeAndre Hopkins and cornerback A.J. Bouye to long-term contracts, owner Bob McNair told Aaron Wilson of the Houston Chronicle.

Hopkins has one year left on his rookie contract and took part in a brief holdout during training camp last summer in hopes of securing a new deal. The fourth-year pro finished just short of this third straight 1,000-yard season in 2016, catching 78 passes for 954 yards with four touchdowns.

Bouye had a breakout season in 2016, making 63 tackles and 16 pass deflections while earning ProFootballFocus' third-best grade among cornerbacks. He is set to become a free agent in March and could be the top player available at his position, should he hit the open market.
 
Yeah, i don't know about that


He can easily get that, a guy like Malik Jackson got 46 mil guaranteed @15M a year. There is a crappy team out there that will offer top dollar. If AJ wants a pay day its there, if he wants to win however, he'll have to take a pay cut.
 
Short of afc south crowns we cant assure him squat. And until we get this whole qb ol thing hashed out thats not assured either.

I wasn't being specific to the Texans, but the bad teams like the Browns, 49ers, have the most money and will almost certainly over pay, the Pats, Falcons, etc won't pay the highest price.
 
Short of afc south crowns we cant assure him squat. And until we get this whole qb ol thing hashed out thats not assured either.

I'm ok with letting Bouye walk if the spend that $$$$ on the OL.

Whitworth would be a start.
 
I'm ok with letting Bouye walk if the spend that $$$$ on the OL.

Whitworth would be a start.

Yup.

At that rate it's aj or jjo for me. If in some way we can retain all the db's, kjack probably should get a look at safety.

As for the ol there has to be a major investment at rt. Probably safer to snag a vet rt but still cautious after the jeff allen bomb. I want at least 3 guys with starter potential added this season on the ol.
 
Yup.

At that rate it's aj or jjo for me. If in some way we can retain all the db's, kjack probably should get a look at safety.

As for the ol there has to be a major investment at rt. Probably safer to snag a vet rt but still cautious after the jeff allen bomb. I want at least 3 guys with starter potential added this season on the ol.

Agreed,

I want a vet, a high young draft pick and a young developmental draft pick. Preferably draft picks within the first 4 rds.
 
Yup.

At that rate it's aj or jjo for me. If in some way we can retain all the db's, kjack probably should get a look at safety.

Who does Kjax replace? Hal or Demps?

If Kjax becomes our safety & we let Bouye go, who is our nickel
 
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