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2015 DPOY - JJ Watt

Double Barrel said:
I've known that Kate Hudson was a succubus long before she went on a date with J.J.

Besides, the guys on the radio never mentioned succubus. They probably need to be warned! :sos:
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Not to argue but the guys I listened mentioned succubus several times as they mentioned several of the guys in this thread. IIRC one of the guys said he was posting something on the radio web site.
 
infantrycak said:
OK so there was a 2nd volunteer for the succubus treatment.

When they came up with 'succubus' did they foretell it just wasn't going to sound that bad in English?
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Already done it. I'm a sucker for succubi.

Fred said:
You are over thinking this. You already have the same number of Oscars as Owen Wilson, so go for it!
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That logic, unlike me, is as pure as water.

I almost said "Swedish mountain water flowing down Emily Ratajkowski's ass," but let's keep it classy around here, ok?
 
Brisco_County said:
I almost said "Swedish mountain water flowing down Emily Ratajkowski's ass," but let's keep it classy around here, ok?
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Younguns

Us old folks deal in pictures (we can barely remember names). You're the suspiciously well dressed guy right?
Emily+Ratajkowski+-+Nude+-10.jpg


But (no pun intended) you have to love succubi. Who's using who. Feels like an AC/DC song.
 
infantrycak said:
Younguns

Us old folks deal in pictures (we can barely remember names). You're the suspiciously well dressed guy right?
Emily+Ratajkowski+-+Nude+-10.jpg


But (no pun intended) you have to love succubi. Who's using who. Feels like an AC/DC song.
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"Oh, Hello Emily. I almost didn't recognize you from a 3/4 angle."

But seriously, that thing (not just Emily's, but all those like it) have so much control over me that it's not fair. To me, the most psycho thing about John Hinkley shooting Reagan was that his answer was Jodi Foster and not Bo Derek.
 
J.J. Watt doesn’t rule out retiring after two or three more years

Texans defensive end J.J. Watt has won the defensive player of the year award three times in the last four seasons. He may not have many chances left to add to that impressive total.

Then again, maybe he will.

Expanding on cryptic remarks recently made on the radio regarding how long he’ll play, Watt has provided more cryptic remarks to Peter King of TheMMQB.com regarding how long Watt will play.

“I have no idea when it’s going to be, when I’ll retire,” Watt said. “I’m not saying it’s not going to be two, three, four years. But I’m also not saying it’s going to be nine, 10, 11 years. I literally do not know the answer. What I do know is I’m going to continue to train my ass off. I’m going to continue to work to be the best player in the world, and whenever that doesn’t sound fun to me anymore, that’s when it’s over.”

Watt also addressed how close he came to not being able to play in 2015, due to a series of groin injuries that resulted in the muscle being torn off the bone.

“It was very serious,” Watt said. “Obviously it required a ton of reconstructive surgery. I was never not going to play in the playoff game [versus the Chiefs]. That would never happen. Obviously, they held me out late in the game. But I doubt I would have been able to play past that game. That’s when I tore the final one off the bone.”

Watt said there were five tears in all, and that the quintet of injuries “started to unravel as the season went on.” He nevertheless kept going.

“I played because you have other muscles that compensate, you fight through some excruciating pain, you have very good doctors, and you just grind through it, that’s all,” Watt said. “Because if I can physically step on the field and play, I’m going to. That’s just the way it is.”

The injuries and their progressive severity make the decision in the playoff game against the Chief to put him on the field as a Wildcat quarterback even more strange in hindsight.

With Watt creating a wide range of potential outcomes for the duration of his career, there should be nothing strange about the ultimate timing of his decision to walk away. Until he does, and as long as he keeps providing cryptic responses regarding how long he’ll play, the Wisconsin native who will play at Lambeau Field for the first time in his career this season will eventually be compared to the should-I-stay-or-should-I-go? quarterback who once played there on a regular basis.
 
DocBar said:
With Watt creating a wide range of potential outcomes for the duration of his career, there should be nothing strange about the ultimate timing of his decision to walk away. Until he does, and as long as he keeps providing cryptic responses regarding how long he’ll play, the Wisconsin native who will play at Lambeau Field for the first time in his career this season will eventually be compared to the should-I-stay-or-should-I-go? quarterback who once played there on a regular basis.
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Good lord, is this what passes for journalism these days? He is 27 years old and played 5 years. Of course he is going to be obtuse about hanging 'em up. He is just entering the prime of his career.
 
DocBar said:
J.J. Watt doesn’t rule out retiring after two or three more years

Watt also addressed how close he came to not being able to play in 2015, due to a series of groin injuries that resulted in the muscle being torn off the bone.

“It was very serious,” Watt said. “Obviously it required a ton of reconstructive surgery. I was never not going to play in the playoff game [versus the Chiefs]. That would never happen. Obviously, they held me out late in the game. But I doubt I would have been able to play past that game. That’s when I tore the final one off the bone.”

Watt said there were five tears in all, and that the quintet of injuries “started to unravel as the season went on.” He nevertheless kept going.

“I played because you have other muscles that compensate, you fight through some excruciating pain, you have very good doctors, and you just grind through it, that’s all,” Watt said. “Because if I can physically step on the field and play, I’m going to. That’s just the way it is.”

The injuries and their progressive severity make the decision in the playoff game against the Chief to put him on the field as a Wildcat quarterback even more strange in hindsight.
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This just affirms my initial impressions of the severity of his injuries and the timing of his remarks re. potential retirement. He is as unsure as I am regarding his ability to return to his previous performance level and remain re-injury free.
 
Think I am going with "one game at a time. On any given Sunday he could play or not. I know it is a business and coach will make the decision what is best for the team."
 
badboy said:
Think I am going with "one game at a time. On any given Sunday he could play or not. I know it is a business and coach will make the decision what is best for the team."
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And the best for JJ I hope
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I'd be much more concerned about his slew of recent injuries and surgeries.......and what effects they have on his future performance as well as the implications for potential subsequent related injuries..........it would be unrealistic to believe that JJ will remain unaffected..........the only question is to what extent.
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This!!! If we don't start getting better talent around Watt teams will continue focus on him with double and triple teams and beat him up and before we know it his health will be the reason he retire early.
 
He is HOF already if you ask me.

ONly one of two players to win the award 3 times, and the only player to record two 20 sack seasons. He would have easily gotten another one this year if that bum Clowney would have became the player he was drafted to be to help JJ with all of the double teams.
 
infantrycak said:
Younguns

Us old folks deal in pictures (we can barely remember names). You're the suspiciously well dressed guy right?
Emily+Ratajkowski+-+Nude+-10.jpg


But (no pun intended) you have to love succubi. Who's using who. Feels like an AC/DC song.
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you guys are trying to get me fired...right
 
Interesting.

J.J. Watt, and Sack Leaders On A Trailing 4-Year Basis
by CHASE STUART on APRIL 18, 2016
in DATA DUMP, DEFENSIVE PLAYERS, STATISTICS




The best player in the AFC South is in this photo.

Good article from Peter King this morning on J.J. Watt and the injury struggles he dealt with last year. King also noted that Watt has 69 sacks over the last four seasons, the most in the NFL. In fact, that’s the second most byany player in any four-year stretch over at least the last 31 years. FRom 1985 to 1988, Reggie White had 70 sacks, and he did it in seven fewer games (he missed the first three games of ’85 due to being a member of USFL,1 and then four games in ’87 due to the players’ strike.) Of course, White did play in a friendlier era for sacks (2.63 sacks per game vs. 2.37 over the last four years), so cross-era comparisons always have their limitations.


But I thought it would be interesting, especially in light of Jared Allen retiring, to look at the leaders in sacks on a trailing four year basis:


Search:
Years Player Starting Age Sacks
2012--2015 J.J. Watt 23 69
2011--2014 J.J. Watt 22 57
2010--2013 Jared Allen 28 56.5
2009--2012 Jared Allen 27 59.5
2008--2011 DeMarcus Ware 26 66
2007--2010 DeMarcus Ware 25 60.5
2006--2009 DeMarcus Ware 24 56.5
2005--2008 DeMarcus Ware 23 53.5
2004--2007 Jason Taylor 30 46
2003--2006 Jason Taylor 29 48
2002--2005 Simeon Rice 28 56.5
2001--2004 Michael Strahan 30 56
2000--2003 Michael Strahan 29 61.5
1999--2002 Simeon Rice 25 50.5
1998--2001 Michael Strahan 27 52.5
1997--2000 Robert Porcher 28 47
1996--1999 Kevin Greene 34 52
1995--1998 Kevin Greene 33 49
1994--1997 John Randle 27 51
1993--1996 Kevin Greene 31 50
1992--1995 Leslie O'Neal 28 54
1991--1994 Leslie O'Neal 27 50.5
1990--1993 Derrick Thomas 23 56
1989--1992 Derrick Thomas 22 58
1988--1991 Reggie White 27 58
1987--1990 Reggie White 26 64
1986--1989 Reggie White 25 68
1985--1988 Reggie White 24 70
1984--1987 Richard Dent 24 58.5
1983--1986 Dexter Manley 25 58
1982--1985 Mark Gastineau 26 60.5

I’ve written before about Simeon Rice and how he has been underrated by the Hall of Fame; consider that when he lead the NFL in sacks from ’02 to ’05, he did so during an era when the Bucs faced the fewest pass attempts in the entire league! By comparison, Houston has been right at the league average in pass attempts faced over the past four seasons. And, when Rice recorded 16.5 sacks for the Cardinals in ’99, Arizona saw the 6th fewest pass attempts that season, too.

From ’08 to ’13, Jared Allen had 85.5 sacks, DeMarcus Ware had 83.5 sacks, and no other player was over 70 sacks. The Vikings saw about 100 more pass attempts over that span, so if you want to split hairs, you could make the case for Ware over Allen during that period. But Allen has built up an impressive Hall of Fame resume: two seasons where he was the sack king, a third where he ranked second, and another where he ranked fifth.

Of course, Allen is no Watt, but few ever have been. Also remarkable about Watt is his stretch from ’11 to ’14 makes the cut, and he is tied with Derrick Thomas for the youngest player on the list. Unless Watt does retire early, he has a real shot at breaking the all-time sack record. It’s always risky to project too far in the future, but Watt is 17.0 sacks ahead of where Bruce Smith was at this stage in his career. Smith had 19 sacks during his age 38 through 40 seasons, though, but also had a 1.5 sack season at age 28 due to injury. It’s a long ways away, but it’s certainly conceivable that Watt could challenge Smith’s 200-sack record.
 
infantrycak said:
Younguns

Us old folks deal in pictures (we can barely remember names). You're the suspiciously well dressed guy right?

X​

But (no pun intended) you have to love succubi. Who's using who. Feels like an AC/DC song.
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When did this become an exclusively adult sight? Or do you just not car about youth?
 
Texecutioner said:
He is HOF already if you ask me.

ONly one of two players to win the award 3 times, and the only player to record two 20 sack seasons. He would have easily gotten another one this year if that bum Clowney would have became the player he was drafted to be to help JJ with all of the double teams.
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Watt got the other two without Clowney and with all the double teams. Why is this last season Clowney's fault, other than you need a strawman for your bum reference?

A more appropriate football take would be that 1) he played hurt for a good portion of the season and 2) Mercilus stepped up and doubled his career average on sacks.
 
Marshall said:
When did this become an exclusively adult sight? Or do you just not car about youth?
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Oh my God, well not mine, yours.

No children were harmed. A few sticks up asses were mussed. Well at least one.

Get a life. It's a butt.

Here, now she is fully clothed and I'm sure you will be able to control your untoward thoughts:


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You kind of quiver when someone says "nipple" don't you? C'mon you can admit it.

There has to be some strange reason an adult male thinks a butt is hazardous.
 
sandman said:
Watt got the other two without Clowney and with all the double teams. Why is this last season Clowney's fault, other than you need a strawman for your bum reference?

A more appropriate football take would be that 1) he played hurt for a good portion of the season and 2) Mercilus stepped up and doubled his career average on sacks.
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Teams have been double teaming him for years. Yes, they have, but that doesn't take away from the lack of pressure from other players. Clowney was a #1 draft pick and a guy that the team invested a ton in. If he had the presence that he should have had, then yes I think there is no reason to think that JJ wouldn't have gotten the 20 sacks again. Did I say it was all his fault. No, I didn't say it was all Clowney's fault but you can certainly write that as it looks nice on your soapbox. Mercilous was a beast last season and it was nice to see him come into his own. You can defend Clowney all you want, but it's ridiculous. We've wasted the last two years because of that pick.
 
badboy said:
Not to argue but the guys I listened mentioned succubus several times as they mentioned several of the guys in this thread. IIRC one of the guys said he was posting something on the radio web site.
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Nothing really to argue about. Many of the radio guys are South Park fans, too, which is where most of us learned about the dreaded succubus woman courtesy of Chef.
 
Texecutioner said:
Teams have been double teaming him for years. Yes, they have, but that doesn't take away from the lack of pressure from other players. Clowney was a #1 draft pick and a guy that the team invested a ton in. If he had the presence that he should have had, then yes I think there is no reason to think that JJ wouldn't have gotten the 20 sacks again. Did I say it was all his fault. No, I didn't say it was all Clowney's fault but you can certainly write that as it looks nice on your soapbox. Mercilous was a beast last season and it was nice to see him come into his own. You can defend Clowney all you want, but it's ridiculous. We've wasted the last two years because of that pick.
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Really?

Texecutioner said:
He is HOF already if you ask me.

ONly one of two players to win the award 3 times, and the only player to record two 20 sack seasons. He would have easily gotten another one this year if that bum Clowney would have became the player he was drafted to be to help JJ with all of the double teams.
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Since you didn't list any other reason for Watt not getting 20 sacks other than Clowney being a bust, it's not a difficult logic leap that you don't think there were any other contributing factors.

And how is pointing out that both of JJ's 20-sack seasons came without Clowney on the field a defense of Clowney?

You don't like Clowney. We get it. No issue with that. But mean what you say instead of trying to explain your words away.
 
Texecutioner said:
Teams have been double teaming him for years. Yes, they have, but that doesn't take away from the lack of pressure from other players. Clowney was a #1 draft pick and a guy that the team invested a ton in. If he had the presence that he should have had, then yes I think there is no reason to think that JJ wouldn't have gotten the 20 sacks again. Did I say it was all his fault. No, I didn't say it was all Clowney's fault but you can certainly write that as it looks nice on your soapbox. Mercilous was a beast last season and it was nice to see him come into his own. You can defend Clowney all you want, but it's ridiculous. We've wasted the last two years because of that pick.
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How do you figure the team has invested a ton in Clowney? I guess a 1.1 draft position is a big investment, but with the rookie wage scale, it's not nearly the burden that say JaMarcus Russell's total flame out was.
I'm not thrilled with Clowney's play last season, but I saw flashes of what made him the 2014 1.1 and I expect to see a big jump, if healthy, in 2016. I'm keeping my fingers crossed on that, but if he's injury plagued for a 3rd straight season, then the "bust" label can be safely attached to him,:twocents:
 
infantrycak said:
Doesn't that feel a bit icky? "Hey is your mom hot?"

Getting old sucks.
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No man, you get your son to do the recon for you.

What makes me feel creeper is realizing that many of these new "it girls" today are the age of my daughter. Maybe that's why I am subconsciously steered to good genes and experience.
 
DocBar said:
How do you figure the team has invested a ton in Clowney? I guess a 1.1 draft position is a big investment, but with the rookie wage scale, it's not nearly the burden that say JaMarcus Russell's total flame out was.
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A first round pick carries a lot of investment by nature. There's the sunk cost of the draft pick, which can be weighed against other available options. There's the monetary cost, which has been eased since the rookie wage scale was implemented, but is still not insignificant. Then there are the elements that can be considered even more important. First is the time spent developing a player. This ties in with opportunity. If the team spends time developing a player, which has to be weighed against keeping a player that can be more productive. For the last two years, the Texans could have kept damn near anyone and have had them be more productive. So they continue to spend time coaching and a roster spot on a player that contributes even less than backups. Think about the Texans during the David Carr era. Would the team have been better off cutting bait with Carr and drafting a QB in 2003 or 2004? They could have gotten Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers or Ben Roethlisberger, realistically. But no one wanted to give up on the investment of a 1st round pick, and it's not just the money. After the 2004 season it was clear to everyone that Carr's progression had stalled, if not regressed. The team could have gotten Aaron Rodgers. But no one wanted to give up on that investment.

So this speaks to opportunity cost. Once a team has invested a first round pick in a player, not only will they overlook better options, but they are loathe to give up on that player. This is the dead money fallacy. Successful poker players will tell you that once the money is in the pot, it's no longer yours unless you win the pot. The point being to avoid sending good money after bad. Fold when you have a hand that needs folding. The Texans have shown the ability to do this with lower round picks like Sam Montgomery, but mostly when there are behavioral issues involved. They even cut Nix early on, which was an encouraging move despite the failure of the choice. They saw a hand that needed folding and they did. The saved themselves a lot of money, in poker terms, by folding that hand.

So the question is, how long do they continue staying in this pot called Clowney? How much money do they waste (again, poker analogy, not actual contract dollars)? It's possible they could catch a river card and win the hand, but even that just buys them the opportunity to give him an even bigger contract. Suppose he finally has a breakthrough in his contract year. You see, there are lots of layers of risk involved with a 1st round draft pick, particularly a #1 overall.
 
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eriadoc said:
A first round pick carries a lot of investment by nature. There's the sunk cost of the draft pick, which can be weighed against other available options. There's the monetary cost, which has been eased since the rookie wage scale was implemented, but is still not insignificant. Then there are the elements that can be considered even more important. First is the time spent developing a player. This ties in with opportunity. If the team spends time developing a player, which has to be weighed against keeping a player that can be more productive. For the last two years, the Texans could have kept damn near anyone and have had them be more productive. So they continue to spend time coaching and a roster spot on a player that contributes even less than backups. Think about the Texans during the David Carr era. Would the team have been better off cutting bait with Carr and drafting a QB in 2003 or 2004? They could have gotten Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers or Ben Roethlisberger, realistically. But no one wanted to give up on the investment of a 1st round pick, and it's not just the money. After the 2004 season it was clear to everyone that Carr's progression had stalled, if not regressed. The team could have gotten Aaron Rodgers. But no one wanted to give up on that investment.

So this speaks to opportunity cost. Once a team has invested a first round pick in a player, not only will they overlook better options, but they are loathe to give up on that player. This is the dead money fallacy. Successful poker players will tell you that once the money is in the pot, it's no longer yours unless you win the pot. The point being to avoid sending good money after bad. Fold when you have a hand that needs folding. The Texans have shown the ability to do this with lower round picks like Sam Montgomery, but mostly when there are behavioral issues involved. They even cut Nix early on, which was an encouraging move despite the failure of the choice. They saw a hand that needed folding and they did. The saved themselves a lot of money, in poker terms, by folding that hand.

So the question is, how long do they continue staying in this pot called Clowney? How much money do they waste (again, poker analogy, not actual contract dollars)? It's possible they could catch a river card and win the hand, but even that just buys them the opportunity to give him an even bigger contract. Suppose he finally has a breakthrough in his contract year. You see, there are lots of layers of risk involved with a 1st round draft pick, particularly a #1 overall.
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I believe in the three year rule of thumb and that's why I posted that this year is where I expect to see a big jump from Clowney. I count his rookie year because he was able to attend all of the meetings and all reports indicate that he was a good student of the game and has a high football IQ.

I'm not concerned about Clowney being lazy, having off the field issues or being a bad team mate. I'm concerned about him being able to stay healthy. If the injury bug robs him of significant playing time (especially if it's related to his knee or is likely a compensatorey injury), I'm ready to cut bait with him when his rookie contract in year 4 is up unless I find a trade partner.

Reasons for optimism
 
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All that's fine. I was just explaining how the investment is a lot more complex than just looking at contract dollars.
 
eriadoc said:
All that's fine. I was just explaining how the investment is a lot more complex than just looking at contract dollars.
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I gotcha. You're talking generalities and I'm talking a specific player. I agree with you.
 
Texans' J.J. Watt drops in NFL analytics site's player rankings
By Greg Rajan
Updated 4:00 pm, Friday, May 13, 2016




Coming off his third NFL Defensive Player of the Year award in five seasons, one would think Texans defensive end J.J. Watt's stock never would be higher


But in the eyes of the leading analytics website Pro Football Focus, Watt is on the decline.


Well, sort of.


The Texans star dropped from first to fifth in PFF's annual top 101 players list. The rankings are solely based on the 2015 season.



Not only is Watt not the top player in the NFL, per PFF, he isn't even the first or second-best defender.


Rams defensive tackle Aaron Donald - who was 18th last year - supplanted Watt as PFF's No. 1 player, followed by Steelers receiver Antonio Brown, Panthers linebacker Luke Kuechly and Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski.


Here's what PFF had to say about Watt's ranking this year:


It says something about J.J. Watt that he can have a relative "down" year, play through a broken hand for part of the season, and still finish fifth on PFF's Top 101 list. At his best, there is no better player in the NFL, at any position. ... This season was not the best Watt we have seen. His hand injury is fine mitigation, but he was less-effective during that span, and even before that his grading had been slightly down from his otherworldly level of years past. In a season in which he broke his hand, Watt still notched a better grade than anybody we have seen since 2007 (other than Aaron Donald), and he still led the league in total pressures, sacks, and batted passes.
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Watt was joined in the top 101 by three Texans teammates who were unranked last year. They are wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins (18th), cornerback Johnathan Joseph (42nd) and linebacker Whitney Mercilus (96th).


Given how much Watt has fed off slights like being a two-star recruit out of high school, his PFF ranking might give him even more motivation heading into next season - assuming that's possible.
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EllisUnit said:
These guys are idiots, he was DPOY for a reason, talking heads..
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DPOY is much more subjective and factors other than production might figure in. Statistically, with his injuries, JJ had, for him, a down year. It is not unreasonable he would drop in ranking when statistically compared to his peers.
 
Number19 said:
DPOY is much more subjective and factors other than production might figure in. Statistically, with his injuries, JJ had, for him, a down year. It is not unreasonable he would drop in ranking when statistically compared to his peers.
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OR football focus needs to look at its metrics which even they will admit weren't built for a guy like JJ.
 
Number19 said:
DPOY is much more subjective and factors other than production might figure in. Statistically, with his injuries, JJ had, for him, a down year. It is not unreasonable he would drop in ranking when statistically compared to his peers.
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He was better than all the guys ranked above him, that's enough for me....
 

It says something about J.J. Watt that he can have a relative "down" year, play through a broken hand for part of the season, and still finish fifth on PFF's Top 101 list. At his best, there is no better player in the NFL, at any position. ... This season was not the best Watt we have seen. His hand injury is fine mitigation, but he was less-effective during that span, and even before that his grading had been slightly down from his otherworldly level of years past. In a season in which he broke his hand, Watt still notched a better grade than anybody we have seen since 2007 (other than Aaron Donald), and he still led the league in total pressures, sacks, and batted passes.
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Those bastids should die a thousand dishonorable deaths for not realizing Jj is the best, even though we all have discussed his "lack of effectiveness" because of the club & his five torn core muscles ourselves.

Damm them. Damm them all to hell.

Watt was joined in the top 101 by three Texans teammates who were unranked last year. They are wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins (18th), cornerback Johnathan Joseph (42nd) and linebacker Whitney Mercilus (96th).
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Well... I'm willing to cut them some slack... four Texans in the top 101. Whadaya say?
 
infantrycak said:
Seems better than a squeaky 9-7 doesn't it?
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There were 12 teams that had four or more players in the top 101. The Texans finished tied for the 12th/13th best record in the NFL (with Washington). So while there were some teams with fewer players who did better - most notably the Redskins (1) but also Pittsburgh/Green Bay (3 each), there was also the Dolphins (5), the Cowboys and Saints (4 each) who did worse. So maybe marginally better (when analyzed strictly by numbers), but not a huge underachievement.
 
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