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2014 NFL Draft Thread

htownfan32 said:
Yeah well now that Bridgewater is gone we better take Nix or Hageman. No QB worth 2-1 and if we're going in on the defense might as well build a wall of badasses.
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"Wall of badasses" has a nice ring to it. Maybe it'll replace Bulls On Parade?
 
gtexan02 said:
How many games did Luck win the Colts in his rookie year? To pretend that QBs can't directly impact games is the idiotic thing.

Here's a new signature for you. "Houston Texans: We'll get 'em next year!"

Hope our 2015 QB you intend to stalk is good. I'd love to get back to the playoffs eventually
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There is no Luck in this draft, not even close. Welcome to 8 months ago.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Gotta agree with everything Herv is saying.

I'm not a big Clowney guy, it's well documented, but we did get a supremely talented player at a position that's weak in this draft. Attoachu is the only OLB left that any good IMO (see Philly reaching for Marcus Smith). So that worked out assuming Clowney works hard and his bone spur problem is fixed via surgery.

The QBs were iffy in this draft and we avoided them, it's not a big deal IMO. There are great players at positions of need available for us with the 2.1 pick, particularly Nix or Tuitt.

I'm happy right now, I don't know why everyone is tripping out.
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People are upset because this is a QB-dominated league. Look at the great teams and they all have great QBs. Texans were a 10+ win team 2 years in a row and then Schaub regressed and we turned into a 2 win team.

If you don't believe QBs are the most important player on a team by a factor of 10 you don't know the new NFL.

We could build a wonderful defense and a great supporting cast on offense but Ryan Fitzpatrick is not going to win a superbowl. And anything short of that is settling for failure, again. If you go into a season with your upside at 8 wins what's the point?
 
TexansSeminole said:
There is no Luck in this draft, not even close. Welcome to 8 months ago.
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Says who? There have been surprises, for good and bad, all the time. Any of the top QB prospects could be better than Luck. I'd take Russell wilson over luck even though on draft day there's no way he'd go before him.

The only way you guarantee your QB won't be a gamechanger like Luck is to roll with a proven, journeyman vet. Give your team a chance to have playoff upside - that's all I'm asking for. I understand there's no consensus 1-1 guy, but there were plenty of late round 1st round QB talents that could have made a huge difference if things worked out well. Instead, as of now, it seems like we'll go with a mid-round QB project and a slew of veterans other teams would have in street clothes on game day
 
Nawzer said:
I don't think the Texans will take a QB with their 2nd round pick as it stands tomorrow. I would like to see them draft a NT and solve that enormous, no pun intended, hole. Definitely need linebackers since we can't really rely on Cushing being healthy through out the season anymore. I think if they do draft a QB, it'll be in the 3rd or 4th round. Can't say I'm excited about the upcoming season as it stands.
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Having Nix in front of Cush keeps Cush very health. 6'2" 330+lbs eating up OL will allow Cush to run around like his hair is on fire.
 
gtexan02 said:
Says who? There have been surprises, for good and bad, all the time. Any of the top QB prospects could be better than Luck. I'd take Russell wilson over luck even though on draft day there's no way he'd go before him.

The only way you guarantee your QB won't be a gamechanger like Luck is to roll with a proven, journeyman vet. Give your team a chance to have playoff upside - that's all I'm asking for. I understand there's no consensus 1-1 guy, but there were plenty of late round 1st round QB talents that could have made a huge difference if things worked out well. Instead, as of now, it seems like we'll go with a mid-round QB project and a slew of veterans other teams would have in street clothes on game day
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Your point makes no sense. Russell Wilson was taken in the 3rd round, so why is it that we need a 1st round QB. He's also better than all the QBs in this draft coming out. He was sensational in college.

You're being irrational.
 
PapaL said:
Having Nix in front of Cush keeps Cush very health. 6'2" 330+lbs eating up OL will allow Cush to run around like his hair is on fire.
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Still need more talent at ILB. That was one of my main areas of concern going into last season and we paid dearly when Cushing went down.
 
gtexan02 said:
People are upset because this is a QB-dominated league. Look at the great teams and they all have great QBs. Texans were a 10+ win team 2 years in a row and then Schaub regressed and we turned into a 2 win team.

If you don't believe QBs are the most important player on a team by a factor of 10 you don't know the new NFL.

We could build a wonderful defense and a great supporting cast on offense but Ryan Fitzpatrick is not going to win a superbowl. And anything short of that is settling for failure, again. If you go into a season with your upside at 8 wins what's the point?
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There's not really a QB out there that for sure gives you what you are looking for. That's why they slid. Look at what happened in this draft.
 
TexansSeminole said:
There is no Luck in this draft, not even close. Welcome to 8 months ago.
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There isn't one in next year's draft either. Are we going to wait around for the next GOAT to fall into our lap?

By this time next year Hundley Mariota Winston and Petty are all going to have their warts exposed and none of them are going to look like the next Andrew Luck. To look for the next Andrew Luck is folly. I'd be happy enough with the next Roethlisberger minus the rape, Russell Wilson, or Colin Kaepernick. None of them are as talented as Luck and the first two won bowls and one has been a contender.
 
htownfan32 said:
There isn't one in next year's draft either. Are we going to wait around for the next GOAT to fall into our lap?

By this time next year Hundley Mariota Winston and Petty are all going to have their warts exposed and none of them are going to look like the next Andrew Luck. To look for the next Andrew Luck is folly. I'd be happy enough with the next Roethlisberger minus the rape, Russell Wilson, or Colin Kaepernick. None of them are as talented as Luck and the first two won bowls and one has been a contender.
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Who said we had to wait for Luck? He specifcally mentioned Luck, so I responded about him.

I'm done. You guys are ****ing ridiculous.
 
htownfan32 said:
There isn't one in next year's draft either. Are we going to wait around for the next GOAT to fall into our lap?

By this time next year Hundley Mariota Winston and Petty are all going to have their warts exposed and none of them are going to look like the next Andrew Luck. To look for the next Andrew Luck is folly. I'd be happy enough with the next Roethlisberger minus the rape, Russell Wilson, or Colin Kaepernick. None of them are as talented as Luck and the first two won bowls and one has been a contender.
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Just keep building the trenches and eventually a GOAT will be kicked off his team and ask to sign with us and then... oh wait? That already happened? And we passed?
 
gtexan02 said:
Just keep building the trenches and eventually a GOAT will be kicked off his team and ask to sign with us and then... oh wait? That already happened? And we passed?
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Eh we'll find one eventually. No reason to be worried about the most important position in the game.

Superbowl winning QBs grow on trees.
 
Either way, my point still stands. Do you want the next GOAT, or do you want a guy who can take you there? You might never find the first, but you are more likely to find the second.

That "wait till next year" stuff is bull****. All those QBs will have their stuff exposed and people we were talking about drafting next year will suddenly be unattractive.

Did we all already forget about Tajh Boyd, everyone's first rounder from last year?
 
Hervoyel said:
I don't care if we pick a QB this year. Fitz is fine for 2014. Case can back him up and there's plenty of time to go after Garoppolo or Mettenberger.

I'd even be amused as hell if we ended up with Carr (though I acknowledge that is damn near impossible).

I think we stalk a QB in 2015.
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I've been saying this for months.
 
TexansSeminole said:
There's just no point in going round and round with a bunch of irrational "the sky is falling" people. It's ridiculous. It's been one round.
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I'm mad that this team seems to be sitting on their ass doing nothing. If you have the optimism to think that this is the Texans FO being smart, that's good for you. I'm going to side with history and say they're getting shafted.
 
If people think Bortles/Manziel/Bridgewater are in the same league as the Super Bowl winners, then you can be peeved.

If you think they might be Weeden/Gabbert/Ponder, then you feel good that the Texans aren't wasting 3-5 years with them.
 
Interesting opinions from the Browns board. I thought they killed the draft and there is quite a bit of negativity over there.
 
gtexan02 said:
People are upset .......
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It looks like to me that YOU are the only one upset, all because they didn't do WHAT YOU WANTED THEM TO DO.

So now, tomorrow, since they didn't the QB that YOU WANTED, then any QB they are looking at, you don't want them to take. But when they do take a QB tomorrow at 2.1, then we will get the pleasure of watching YOU flop around on the floor and squeal like a little baby.

Grow the hell up!
 
gtexan02 said:
Epitomy of the loser mentality that has permeated this franchise since its inception.

No need to win now, let's just keep sucking forever and getting great prospects with our high draft picks. Just keep drafting BPA and eventually we'll be a winner, right?

You can't build through the draft if you ignore the most important player on the team. We won't win 8 games with Fitz and Case. I'm not willing to wait until 2015 when you think we'll "stalk a QB."

Sometimes you have to take a risk. A late 1st rounder on a potential franchise QB is not that big of a gamble. Instead we've essentially locked ourselves into trotting out a journeyman QB for an entire year. No potential upside in Fitz or Keenum. We've seen them. They're terrible
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Unless you like Mallett/Garappolo/Savage etc... better than JM.
 
htownfan32 said:
In the last 2 decades, Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer are the only really "meh" QBs to take their team to the promised land.
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Gus Frerotte comes to mind. Tom Brady's first SB comes to mind. Ben Roethlisbereger's first SB comes to mind. Those guys might not be "meh" now, but they were early on. Eli Manning is not exactly "meh", but he sure as hell isn't steady. He just got hot at the right time. And I don't consider Flacco any better than the 2011 version of Schaub. And of the guys who made it to the SB but didn't quite pull it off, Jake Delhomme and Rex Grossman sure aren't superstars. Hell, Delhomme came really close to being on the list of winners. Then there's Kerry Collins and Chris Chandelier.

There's no doubt that the NFL is a passing league, but that also means you need people to get after the other team's QB and defend. Russell Wilson is a pretty good young QB, but he didn't outduel Payton Manning - the SEA defense did. It's still a team game.
 
Hervoyel said:
How many games did the 2013 draft picks win us in 2013? Did the season hinge on their performance?

How about the 2012 picks? Were they solely responsible for all the success of 2012?

Jeez people, it's a process. There's free agents, there's draft picks, UDFA's, and then more free agents. This team didn't get a rookie QB in round one and it's a disaster? ****ing idiotic.
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You have a team with no QB, a washed up hippie at RB, and a geriatric Andre Johnson, in an NFL were defense is becoming increasingly irrelevant. Baring a few freakish picks like Wilson, you aren't finding a good QB in round 2 or 3.

The Texans sucked because they had no QB. They still have no QB. Now we are waiting for a GM that can't draft in the 2nd or 3rd rounds to pull a miracle out of his ass.

Now we are stuck hoping Tom Brady's waterboy knows what he's doing, instead of being another Belichick washout.

Clowney's upside pretty much made him mandatory at the top of the draft, no problem with that. The team is still bereft of offensive weapons in a passing NFL. Carr won't get picked, Mettenberger literally pissed away his chance, and AJ McCarron is a game manager.
 
dtran04 said:
If people think Bortles/Manziel/Bridgewater are in the same league as the Super Bowl winners, then you can be peeved.

If you think they might be Weeden/Gabbert/Ponder, then you feel good that the Texans aren't wasting 3-5 years with them.
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What league are super bowl winners? I never said you had to have the GOAT or the most elite QB. You have to have a guy good enough to get you there.

In my honest appraisal I believe Bridgewater has the tools to eventually take a team to the playoffs with coaching. If you don't agree you probably feel good about tonight, but I think we got shafted.
 
TexanSam said:
The only bad thing Derek Carr has going against him is his last name. If BOB thinks he's the guy then so be it. I'm not gonna judge the guy because his brother is David Carr.
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Agreed

But I will judge him because of his dad.
 
htownfan32 said:
Overreaction on my part. I lost it when Bridgewater got snagged by the Vikes since he was my QB of choice.
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I felt the same way. After the top 2 quarterbacks were taken, I thought the Texans were going to trade back before the Cardinals. But when Seattle traded their pick to Minnesota, I knew Bridgewater was gone.
 
eriadoc said:
Gus Frerotte comes to mind. Tom Brady's first SB comes to mind. Ben Roethlisbereger's first SB comes to mind. Those guys might not be "meh" now, but they were early on. Eli Manning is not exactly "meh", but he sure as hell isn't steady. He just got hot at the right time. And I don't consider Flacco any better than the 2011 version of Schaub. And of the guys who made it to the SB but didn't quite pull it off, Jake Delhomme and Rex Grossman sure aren't superstars. Hell, Delhomme came really close to being on the list of winners. Then there's Kerry Collins and Chris Chandelier.

There's no doubt that the NFL is a passing league, but that also means you need people to get after the other team's QB and defend. Russell Wilson is a pretty good young QB, but he didn't outduel Payton Manning - the SEA defense did. It's still a team game.
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Fair enough. Which is why at this point I think we should invest in our defense. The cards are there for us to get a really nice haul for our front seven.
We can take a QB in the later rounds, but IMO they are not likely to amount to much. I think we will be hunting for a starting QB next year.
 
htownfan32 said:
Either way, my point still stands. Do you want the next GOAT, or do you want a guy who can take you there? You might never find the first, but you are more likely to find the second.

That "wait till next year" stuff is bull****. All those QBs will have their stuff exposed and people we were talking about drafting next year will suddenly be unattractive.

Did we all already forget about Tajh Boyd, everyone's first rounder from last year?
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This is what I'm afraid of as well. No player is perfect and at some point we're going to have to pick a QB and see if he turns into a franchise caliber player, but we won't know till we pick one!
 
htownfan32 said:
I think we will be hunting for a starting QB next year.
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I think so as well. They'll probably still take one of Garo/Mett/Murray and develop him for a year before they make that final decision,a nd you never know. Maybe that guy develops. But I think they are looking at this as a two year rebuild.
 
dalemurphy said:
I wanted nothing to do with Clowney. I don't understand his lack of production, nor do I understand how he can fit in with Watt in Crennel's defense.

That being said, I can't imagine one draft pick determining whether the team can win games or not the following season... That is, unless they took a QB at 1.1... The clearest signal that this team would be in for a losing season would be if it committed to a rookie QB (leading to lots of growing pains). Even if Clowney is as bad as I fear, he doesn't preclude the team from having a good season. Similarly, missing out on a single player doesn't eliminate the possibility of success. This is the ultimate team sport.
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Says the guy who thought Kubiak was a SB winning HC.
 
Nawzer said:
This is what I'm afraid of as well. No player is perfect and at some point we're going to have to pick a QB and see if he turns into a franchise caliber player, but we won't know till we pick one!
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Exactly. And I don't care if you think it's Manziel or Bridgewater or Bortles or Carr. You have to swing for the fences at some point.

That could be one of next years guys. Maybe Marcus Mariota or Bryce Petty is the guy to do it. Maybe - but next year again we'll pass because they're just too risky for this FO.
 
I think they are looking at either Garoppolo or McCarren tomorrow in the 2nd round, And for the record, I think either one of them will have a better NFL career than either Manziel or Bridgewater.
 
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