htownfan32
Hall of Fame
Yeah, I was underwhelmed by Bridgewater too. I don't know about the HWSNBN vibe but I did come away with a general "meh" feeling.
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2014 Draft Eligible QB's
- Thread starter WolverineFan
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Yeah, I was underwhelmed by Bridgewater too. I don't know about the HWSNBN vibe but I did come away with a general "meh" feeling.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
To be fair, that wasn't one of his better games, but I agree with you. He just doesn't need to make difficult throws, so he doesn't come off special.
NCTexan
Veteran
I'd love Hogan. But I don't think he comes out.
If you like mid-round sleeper type guys--google this guy: Jimmy Garoppolo QB Eastern Illinois, 6'3" 220, 151 of 231 23 tds 5 ints. Not arm strength of Brett Farve or Elway, but can make all the throws, very desisive with super quick release. Has good pocket awareness and can extend plays with his feet. Plays mostly in spread but can play under center. 4 yr starter. Past known qb's from same school: Tony Romo, Sean Payton. Report is that most if not all NFL teams have been to watch games and practices. If he finishes out season and gets invite to senior bowls and allstar games, I expect we will be hearing more about him.
I have no idea if this guy will pan out or not, just thought he should be added to any list of potential draftable qbs.
I have no idea if this guy will pan out or not, just thought he should be added to any list of potential draftable qbs.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Problem with this type of pick, Texans cannot gamble that much imo. If you are going to select a QB, you have to aim high and go with best possible chance no later than round three but probably round two. TJ Yates was an example of your guy in 5th but we don't have 3 years for next guy to develop. Another reason I think Keenum has a step up on most if not all 2014 QBs.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
I think the reason a lot of people on this board have varying opinions of the top QB's is because this is looking less and less like a QB class for the ages (2012 class), and more like a few top dudes and more above average guys.
Bridgewater didn't look outstanding in his game this weekend, and I want to say one of the other top guys didn't light it up (Hundley I think?). However, with Bridgewater, the kid has a ton of tape that shows him as being spectacular (so does pretty much all the guys at the top). My problem with him, Boyd and Manziel mostly come down to size more than anything else. Boyd especially is really really short and Bridgewater is a string bean (right now).
I want to re-iterate that I think if the Texans are going to get a QB from the draft, this is as good of a class as any to grab one.
Bridgewater didn't look outstanding in his game this weekend, and I want to say one of the other top guys didn't light it up (Hundley I think?). However, with Bridgewater, the kid has a ton of tape that shows him as being spectacular (so does pretty much all the guys at the top). My problem with him, Boyd and Manziel mostly come down to size more than anything else. Boyd especially is really really short and Bridgewater is a string bean (right now).
I want to re-iterate that I think if the Texans are going to get a QB from the draft, this is as good of a class as any to grab one.
aussie_texan
Veteran
the more research you do the more weaknesses you find
Very true. I'm not liking what I see in Boyd, McCarron looks like a game manager QB but nothing special other than his girlfriend, Mettenberger has the size but he's not athletic or mobile (Schaub 2.0), I think Manziel lacks maturity, and I wasn't enthused by Fales either.
On the other hand I do like what I've seen in Aaron Murray, Brett Hundley, and Marcus Mariota. I haven't bothered to look at Bridgewater since he'll most likely be the #1 overall pick and I doubt we're that bad.
Anyone know anything about Stephen Morris from Miami?
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Notable recent exception being Andrew Luck.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
That's kind of how i feel about McCarron too. I originally thought fairly high of him b/c the physical tools are there, the mechanics are great, the competition he has faced is great. The big issue i have with him is i haven't seen enough of him with the pressure squarely on him to see how he handles it to really go all the way in for him. Saban does a good job of keeping him out of that role running the ball with that stable of RB's he seems to have every damn year.
I'm starting to back off on Boyd too. seems a little careless with the ball at times..someone mentioned he puts alot of air under his deep balls...kinda agree with that as well. All that can be fixed though. I'll be really tuned in this weekend to see how he handles FSU.
I originally felt the same way about Metenberger although i'm starting to feel he might be the safest pick. Don't really care if can't run like Luck or RG3...just move around in the pocket well and keep your eyes downfield..he's seems to be decent at that.
Texian
Hall of Fame
My 2 Cents:
This time last year it was going to be a bonanza year for QBs in the 2013 draft, Smith, Barkley, Boyd, Mccarron, Murray....and we see how that turned out
Bridgewater did not look like a Top 10 pick vs Rutgers. Displayed a Landry Jones arm aka needs extra air underneath for long outs and deep pass, aka, he floats the ball. 2 RZ turnovers. Needs to stay in school.
Only 2 QBs have displayed consistent ability to come from behind and engineer game winning drives, Boyd & Manziel.
Conventional Wisdom is college QBs need 30 starts in college for any chance for early success in the NFL. That's why so many decide to stay in school and so few leave early. Bridgewater, Manziel, Mariota and Hundley better served by staying in school.
Conventional Wisdom is judge rookie QBs in the NFL only after their 19th start. That is enough time and experience to know and have a good idea of what you have in your QB. Geno Smith has 5 starts w/ 14 to go, looks promising.
IMHO if the draft were today, SR QBs #1 Boyd, #2 Mettenberger #3 McCarron #4 Murray
This time last year it was going to be a bonanza year for QBs in the 2013 draft, Smith, Barkley, Boyd, Mccarron, Murray....and we see how that turned out
Bridgewater did not look like a Top 10 pick vs Rutgers. Displayed a Landry Jones arm aka needs extra air underneath for long outs and deep pass, aka, he floats the ball. 2 RZ turnovers. Needs to stay in school.
Only 2 QBs have displayed consistent ability to come from behind and engineer game winning drives, Boyd & Manziel.
Conventional Wisdom is college QBs need 30 starts in college for any chance for early success in the NFL. That's why so many decide to stay in school and so few leave early. Bridgewater, Manziel, Mariota and Hundley better served by staying in school.
Conventional Wisdom is judge rookie QBs in the NFL only after their 19th start. That is enough time and experience to know and have a good idea of what you have in your QB. Geno Smith has 5 starts w/ 14 to go, looks promising.
IMHO if the draft were today, SR QBs #1 Boyd, #2 Mettenberger #3 McCarron #4 Murray
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
Anybody got thoughts on Stephen Morris???
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
I talked about him in another thread a while back. He has a great arm and good mobility, but he makes horrible decisions. As was proved tonight if you watched the Miami/North Carolina game. Don't really like him as a prospect because he just doesn't look like he gets the mental part of the game.
This is kinda how I view this QB class. Except I'm higher on McCarron than you are. I see McCarron as a Matt Ryan type prospect.
No Johnny Football? LOL
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Best case for houston is giants,steelers,and washington wind up top 10. That would give the texans a chance to move from 15ish to 6 ish.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Lol, you know i can't talk about that guy too much on here...the brigade comes out in full force...
Blake
MMQB
How is that? I am sure the top 5 would be willing to trade out of their spot with another team if the right price was given.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Yeah, not impressed with Hundley. He's a runner and is pretty primitive in his passing ability right now. No way I take him in the first round this year. Stares down receivers hard, doesn't throw the ball downfield with a lot of accuracy when I have seen him play, doesn't make great decisions. He's a heck of a scrambler though and gets down when he needs to.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
He's a beter passer than you give him credit for. When trying to judge on whether you should draft a qb or not,you have to look at upside. You have to ask yourself how good can he be with our coaching staff? If you think the guy can be a franchise qb,but he needs a yr,then you still draft him. You have measure your chances of drafting the high level talent at the most importat position.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I think the jury is still out on whether or not he can be a franchise quarterback. Franchise quarterbacks need to show more diverse and advanced passing ability than we are seeing from him this year, or atleast than I am seeing. I think he stays another year under Mora. That would be best for his NFL career.
Against Stanford, he was 24/39 193 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs.
Against Oregon, he was 13/19 64 yards, 1 TD 2 INTs.
Last season in two games against Stanford he was 43/69 438 yards, 1 TD 2 INTs.
A first round quarterback needs to be better against top level competition, simply put.
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So, what kind of things are you looking for?
&, TexansSeminole didn't say he wouldn't draft him, just said he wouldn't draft him in the first.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
I agree. He probably needs to stay another year and sharpen up. I'm saying that if you think the guy has all the tools needed to be successful but he needs a year,you still have to draft the guy if you're in position. Mcnair nor Kapernick were ready as rookies,but they're potential was sky high.