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2013 TT Member Mock Draft Discussion

mussop said:
What game film are you watching if this guy? I have watched the Nebraska and Alabama game where he supposedly played really well and he didn't stand out to me. Of course it was hard to key on him because they move him around a lot.
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Washington is still more on potential than the real thing.
Late in the third round, it's a fair spot for him, I would think.
For some reason, I want to project him at ILB.
Right now he doesn't look real comfortable on the line for me.
His get-off is rather poor or inconsistent.
He doesn't do a very good job running the arc (unless it's against lesser competition) and therefore isn't effective to counter that with an inside move.
When he play inside, his inconsistent get-off doesn't allow him to penetrate very well. And he's also poor at using his arms.

I'd love to see him at ILB, but I don't know how he will handle coverage.
With Cushing, even though he wasn't used much in coverage at USC, I felt (at the time) and had said as much, that I believe he just needs a lot of reps.
I recall him struggling against Dallas Clark in his rookie year, and looked lost many times in zone defense.

I just want to see Washington in coverage some to gauge his ability.
With the way he tested, I think he can handle most RBs and some TEs here and there. He might need a year, year and a half - Cushing needed some time, too.
So I think it's possible.

With two big fast guys in the middle, I think this defense can go far.

Washington needs to learn to play more aggressive as well.

But that's why he's only a late third round pick here.
 
Dallas selects....
Tony Jefferson, S, Oklahoma
Roy Williams v2.0

Very good in the box tackler
Like a xtra LBer
Can cover but is limited in that ability

I think Jefferson is one of the better safeties in the draft
Tremendous value here as he can be a starter for Dallas
At worse a solid bench player and a stand out special team player

Slam dunk pick
 
Giants select Matt Summer Gavin, OG, California.

MSG played LG, but was moved to LT then RT out of necessity.
He isn't the quickest guy on the block and can have difficulty with the speed rusher off the edge.
He should be better in short area.
Play with a mean streak.
 
With the 153rd pick in the 2013 TT Mock Draft, da Bears select:

Matt Scott, QB, Arizona
Height: 6-3. Weight: 196. Hand: 9.08 40 Time: 4.69

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The Bears lost Jason Campbell in free agency, and they need a backup QB to develop behind Cutler. This is a nice spot to pick a backup QB because it's low risk and he will be much cheaper than paying for one in free agency.

Da Bears draft so far:
20 20 Chicago - Dutchrudder - Xavier Rhodes CB Florida State ACC
20 50 Chicago - Dutchrudder - Justin Pugh OG Syracuse* SEC
20 117 Chicago - Dutchrudder - Kevin Reddick ILB North Carolina ACC
20 153 Chicago - Dutchrudder - Matt Scott QB Arizona PAC 12


On the clock:
21 154 Washington - SteelBTexan -
22 155 Minnesota - NCTexan -
23 156 Cincinnati - Corrosion -
24 157 San Francisco - WolverineFan -
25 158 Seattle - Blake -
26 159 Green Bay - Mussop -
27 160 Houston - Corrosion -
28 161 Denver - SenorStan -
29 162 Washington - SteelBTexan -
30 163 Atlanta - RT22 -
31 164 San Francisco - WolverineFan -
32 165 Baltimore - RockNRandy -
33 166 Miami - TexansSeminole -
34 167 Green Bay - Mussop -
35 168 Baltimore - RockNRandy -
 
With the 154th pick in the NFL Mock Draft the Washington Redskins select Duke Williams S Nevada.

Williams is a faster version of Vaccaro. He's a steal at this point in the draft
 
With the 155th pick the Vikings select:

Marquess Wilson, WR, Washington State

The Vikings need some more targets for Ponder to see if he really has the tools to make it in the NFL. At this point Wilson is great value. I tend to buy more into his side of the story than the coaches and think that he has his head together for the NFL. Though he is not NFL ready yet in terms of size/strength, few are in the 5th round. I think he can develop into a strong number two in a few years, and can contribute situationally right away.

Vikings Draft so far:
23 23 Minnesota Keenan Allen WR California
25 25 Minnesota Kevin Minter ILB LSU
22 52 Minnesota Sylvester Williams DT UNC
21 83 Minnesota D.J. Swearinger S South Carolina
5 102 Minnesota Logan Ryan CB Rutgers
23 120 Minnesota Alvin Bailey OG Arkansas
22 155 Minnesota Marquess Wilson WR Washington State
21 189 Minnesota
7 213 Minnesota
8 214 Minnesota
23 229 Minnesota
 
NCTexan said:
With the 155th pick the Vikings select:

Marquess Wilson, WR, Washington State

The Vikings need some more targets for Ponder to see if he really has the tools to make it in the NFL. At this point Wilson is great value. I tend to buy more into his side of the story than the coaches and think that he has his head together for the NFL. Though he is not NFL ready yet in terms of size/strength, few are in the 5th round. I think he can develop into a strong number two in a few years, and can contribute situationally right away.

Vikings Draft so far:
23 23 Minnesota Keenan Allen WR California
25 25 Minnesota Kevin Minter ILB LSU
22 52 Minnesota Sylvester Williams DT UNC
21 83 Minnesota D.J. Swearinger S South Carolina
5 102 Minnesota Logan Ryan CB Rutgers
23 120 Minnesota Alvin Bailey OG Arkansas
22 155 Minnesota Marquess Wilson WR Washington State
21 189 Minnesota
7 213 Minnesota
8 214 Minnesota
23 229 Minnesota
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Very strong draft

I tend to side with Leach though. Wilson was the man and used to getting his way. Leach comes in tries to change a culture of losing and Wilson wants no part of what Leach was selling.
 
steelbtexan said:
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Very strong draft

I tend to side with Leach though. Wilson was the man and used to getting his way. Leach comes in tries to change a culture of losing and Wilson wants no part of what Leach was selling.
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Thanks! This is the first time I've actively tried something like this and I think it's going well. It's nice to know others do to!

There's definitely some truth there. Wilson isn't my first pick at WR, but I do think he's got his head together now, and if it not, it sucks, but it's a 5th rounder. And compared to everyone else available, I think he was of good value.
 
NCTexan said:
Thanks! This is the first time I've actively tried something like this and I think it's going well. It's nice to know others do to!

There's definitely some truth there. Wilson isn't my first pick at WR, but I do think he's got his head together now, and if it not, it sucks, but it's a 5th rounder. And compared to everyone else available, I think he was of good value.
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I concur you've done an outstanding job. Always appreciate you input on North Carolina players. You must be thrilled with Sly still there in 2nd?
 
beerlover said:
I concur you've done an outstanding job. Always appreciate you input on North Carolina players. You must be thrilled with Sly still there in 2nd?
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Thanks!

I definitely am. He's definitely the third best player out of North Carolina this year and awesome value where I got him!

Gio is the one who fell Wayyy far.
 
Think Im suppose to be on the clock .... I'll try to get a pick in for Cincy tonight if I get a chance.

Just got home , took my two little ones to the lake and paddled a few miles ... gotta get cleaned up , get them in bed and look over my board.
 
Hope everybody had a great weekend,

Wolverine Fan is on the clock.

Hopefully we can continue at a good pace. If we do, we should be able to finish this mock by the end of the week. Or the 1st part of next week.

Good luck and it's time to dig deep into those lists. LOL
 
We still have time to change the draft order for the Colt McCoy trade. 49ers' late 5th and 7th to the Browns for their early 6th. I can update the order if there are no objections.
 
I've got no objections,

But if you do that you also need to change the Cardinals 6th/7th rd picks after the Palmer trade.
 
76Texan said:
I'm fine with it.
How many votes do we need?
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Well the three people running it seem fine with it. These aren't all that big of moves, but it does allow the 49ers to assume they have Colt. I'm not sure the Cardinals getting Palmer makes a difference in their draft strategy.

On the clock:

24 157 San Francisco - WolverineFan -
25 158 Seattle - Blake -
26 159 Green Bay - Mussop -
27 160 Houston - Corrosion -
28 161 Denver - SenorStan -
29 162 Washington - SteelBTexan -
30 163 Atlanta - RT22 -
31 164 Cleveland - Texan4Ever -
32 165 Baltimore - RockNRandy -
33 166 Miami - TexansSeminole -
34 167 Green Bay - Mussop -
35 168 Baltimore - RockNRandy -
 
Dutchrudder said:
Well the three people running it seem fine with it. These aren't all that big of moves, but it does allow the 49ers to assume they have Colt. I'm not sure the Cardinals getting Palmer makes a difference in their draft strategy.

On the clock:

24 157 San Francisco - WolverineFan -
25 158 Seattle - Blake -
26 159 Green Bay - Mussop -
27 160 Houston - Corrosion -
28 161 Denver - SenorStan -
29 162 Washington - SteelBTexan -
30 163 Atlanta - RT22 -
31 164 Cleveland - Texan4Ever -
32 165 Baltimore - RockNRandy -
33 166 Miami - TexansSeminole -
34 167 Green Bay - Mussop -
35 168 Baltimore - RockNRandy -
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None, the Cards are just going BPA at this point.
 
My personal steal of the draft.

The Seattle Seahawks in the late 5th round select Denard Robinson, WR,KR,RB, Michigan

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Hey, guys. Last week was hectic for me but this one is much, much more relaxed. I'll be picking for the Saints and NYG again. Thanks steelb and 76 who were the two to take over my picks for me, I believe.
 
With the pick 26 in hte 5th round the Green Bay Packers select

Samford’s DT Nick Williams,


Williams is another late bloomer who didn’t play football until his senior year in high school and didn’t start for D1AA Samford until his 4th year on campus. He blossomed in 2012 though when he had 6 sacks coming up the middle. He has an impressive performance at the combine in February. Williams measured in at a full-sized 6-4, 310 with long arms and big hands, and then went out and an a quick 4.94 40, which was just a couple of 100s behnd Sharrif Floyd’s pace-setting times for DTs. Williams, though, was actually even quicker over 10 yards (1.63 seconds to 1.68) than Floyd. Williams also posted a solid 28 reps in the bench press.
 
Blake said:
My personal steal of the draft.

The Seattle Seahawks in the late 5th round select Denard Robinson, WR,KR,RB, Michigan

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He's definitelly got the ability. hopefully he can put it together. Robinson is a big play waiting to happen.
 
Blake said:
My personal steal of the draft.

The Seattle Seahawks in the late 5th round select Denard Robinson, WR,KR,RB, Michigan

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I was tempted to take him, but wanted someone a little more put together in the 5th. I was hoping for him later though.
 
Texans #160 - Rontez Miles Safety - California (PA).

Really having to dig deep for these late picks ....
 
With pick #162 in the NFL Mock Draft the Washington Redskins select Sanders Cummings, CB/S, Georgia.

Cummings ran a 4.41 at 6'0 216 Lbs. He has the speed of a CB and the size of a S. Cummings was Georgia's best CB the last 2 yrs. He will end up starting if he can become more consistent and not have mental lapses.
 
For my personal use only (but feel free to comment):

1.) Chance Warmack, OG - Shores up the offensive line with Thomas and Schwartz as OTs.

3.) Markus Wheaton, WR - Speedy receiver to help Weeden throw to WRs he was used to at OklaSt.

4.) Brandon Jenkins, OLB - Developmental pass-rusher in case Sheard doesn't pan out.

5A.) Leon McFadden, CB - Former WR with upside, provides the Browns someone to groom into a starter.

5B.) ??????????????????

6.) ???????????????????

7.) ???????????????????
 
With the 164th overall pick, the Browns select...

Nico Johnson, ILB Alabama

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From CBS Sports:

Strengths

Physically imposing defender with good overall musculature and weight distribution. Seems to enjoy the physical nature of the game, aggressively taking on and shedding blockers at the point of attack. Appears most comfortable inside, showing the ability to make subtle side-steps to slip into gaps and meet backs at the line.

Weaknesses

Isn't the intimidating striker that his physicality might lead you to believe. Doesn't play as fast as might appear in workouts. Limited awareness as a pass defender. Does not possess ideal speed or fluidity to handle coverage responsibilities for long.

Compares To: Bart Scott, ILB, New York Jets
 
RT22 said:
If I'm still drafting for the Falcons with pick #163 we select TE Levine Toilolo Stanford.
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This guy has a chance to be a better pro than college player. He did the dirty work while Ertz got all of the catches.
 
Texan4Ever said:
With the 164th overall pick, the Browns select...

Nico Johnson, ILB Alabama

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From CBS Sports:

Strengths

Physically imposing defender with good overall musculature and weight distribution. Seems to enjoy the physical nature of the game, aggressively taking on and shedding blockers at the point of attack. Appears most comfortable inside, showing the ability to make subtle side-steps to slip into gaps and meet backs at the line.

Weaknesses

Isn't the intimidating striker that his physicality might lead you to believe. Doesn't play as fast as might appear in workouts. Limited awareness as a pass defender. Does not possess ideal speed or fluidity to handle coverage responsibilities for long.

Compares To: Bart Scott, ILB, New York Jets
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A really solid, sound fundamental player, cant go wrong with a Saban coached LB. (McClain not withstanding) I cant believe a talent like this is available this late in the draft. Johnson would be an immediate upgrade over James/Dobbins and he's available in the 5th rd. WoW
 
steelbtexan said:
This guy has a chance to be a better pro than college player. He did the dirty work while Ertz got all of the catches.
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I agree and also think he is good fit with the Falcons and he can learn from Gonzo for one year while playing the #2 TE role.
 
steelbtexan said:
A really solid, sound fundamental player, cant go wrong with a Saban coached LB. (McClain not withstanding) I cant believe a talent like this is available this late in the draft. Johnson would be an immediate upgrade over James/Dobbins and he's available in the 5th rd. WoW
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I agree, Johnson was a very good pick and surprising that he's still available in the 5th. I don't think he'll fall this far on draft day. I think he can be real good as MLB in a 4-3 stuffing the run, but he's very limited in pass coverage and isn't going to be great as a 3-4 ILB with pass coverage duties on a RB or TE.

I agree on Toilolo as well, in a couple years he could be a stud at TE.
 
Wolf6151 said:
I agree, Johnson was a very good pick and surprising that he's still available in the 5th. I don't think he'll fall this far on draft day. I think he can be real good as MLB in a 4-3 stuffing the run, but he's very limited in pass coverage and isn't going to be great as a 3-4 ILB with pass coverage duties on a RB or TE.

I agree on Toilolo as well, in a couple years he could be a stud at TE.
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The TT mock draft gives us perspective on the talent in this draft.

While the headline talent isn't great, this draft is deeper than I've seen in a while.

I mean, look at ILB, how much difference is there between a 4-5th rd talent like Klein/Johnson/Bostic or 1-3 rd rd talent like Te'o/A.Brown/Minter? There's not that big of a difference.

I would fill the ILB spot on the Texans in the early 4th after trading up. It shouldn't cost much to move up to the top of the 4th rd.
 
165 Baltimore - RockNRandy on the clock


166 Miami - TexansSeminole
167 Green Bay - Mussop
168 Baltimore - RockNRandy

RockNRandy is online.
 
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