2012 Texans Talk Mock Draft

[beerlover]

With the 26th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the Houston Texans select:

Rueben Randle - WR, LSU

I was greatly tempted to take Nick Perry, the top talent left on the board here. But with the overwhelming need for an impact WR I was forced to take one here.

The choice came down to Randle or Stephen Hill. Despite Hill's higher potential ceiling I decided to go with Randle. I think he has a higher floor and the ability to be a bigger contributor at the beginning of his career.

Randle has good size and speed. He catches the ball with great hands instead of letting it come into his body. He runs great routes down the field. He may need some work on his underneath routes but I am confident that he has the skills and potential of a first round prospect.

Solid pick. I think you nailed the position, we'll have to see about the player? I would have taken Hill.

 

[Texan4Ever]

I know you're joking, but I'll use this opportunity to say that Randle reminds me a lot of Dwayne Bowe. He's not as physically talented as Bowe, but then Bowe is one of the top WR's in the league right now.

Both were highly rated recruits and both contributed early in their careers at LSU. Similar size, with Bowe being a bit heavier and Randle being taller, and similar measureables.

Bowe had a better statistical career although he benefited from better QB play and a more efficient passing attack while he was at LSU, but Randle was one of the top WR's in the SEC the past 2 years despite the QB problems.

Ok, I think I should give him the benefit of the doubt. I forgot about the quarterback problems that LSU has had with Jefferson and Co.

 

[WolverineFan]

Ok, I think I should give him the benefit of the doubt. I forgot about the quarterback problems that LSU has had with Jefferson and Co.

Doesn't mean I'm right and you're wrong. Perry is a beast and would be BPA whereas Randle is hitting a need. Just depends on your drafting philosophy. I prefer hitting needs and Randle does that. I see Perry as a luxury since Barwin and Reed both played well last year.

My drafting philosophy is to always keep the status quo and to then improve your team. Case in point, if we lose Myers or Brisiel then I would be in favor of an G/C in the 1st to keep the status quo and then a WR in the 2nd to improve the team.

 

[bah007]

As I acknowledged when I made the pick, I really wanted to take Perry. He was the best player left.

But I am much more confident in Barwin/Reed than I am in our situation at WR. Despite Perry's immense talent, I simply couldn't pass on Randle.

 

[steelbtexan]

As I acknowledged when I made the pick, I really wanted to take Perry. He was the best player left.

But I am much more confident in Barwin/Reed than I am in our situation at WR. Despite Perry's immense talent, I simply couldn't pass on Randle.

As it should be

Especially when you can draft a Curry/Cam Johnson/Irvin in Rd 2-3.

 

[HOU-TEX]

As I acknowledged when I made the pick, I really wanted to take Perry. He was the best player left.

But I am much more confident in Barwin/Reed than I am in our situation at WR. Despite Perry's immense talent, I simply couldn't pass on Randle.

What about our depth at OLB. We've got nothing behind Barwin and Reed. Yes, we do need to start looking for WRs, but BPA would be Perry.

I'd go with Perry, but that's just me.

 

[bah007]

What about our depth at OLB. We've got nothing behind Barwin and Reed. Yes, we do need to start looking for WRs, but BPA would be Perry.

I'd go with Perry, but that's just me.

I will definitely be targeting OLB depth in the next few rounds.

 

[kiwitexansfan]

I hate the fact Perry went to the Patriots.

 

[Rey]

Who's pick is it?

 

[Blake]

Packers nytexan
Ravens WolverineFan
49ers Rey
Patriots Beerlover
Giants KMG 365

 

[nytexan]

The Green Bay Packers take with the 28th pick take Andre Branch from Clemson University

 

[Señor Stan]

I hate the fact Perry went to the Patriots.

Look on the bright side...in last year's mock draft the Patriots drafted JJ Watt AND Brooks Reed. So maybe history repeats itself...

 

[Dutchrudder]

Look on the bright side...in last year's mock draft the Patriots drafted JJ Watt AND Brooks Reed. So maybe history repeats itself...

Link to last year's results:

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80277

Fun to look back and see where guys went.

 

[beerlover]

Look on the bright side...in last year's mock draft the Patriots drafted JJ Watt AND Brooks Reed. So maybe history repeats itself...

So, in reality I could be making the Texans picks?

 

[WolverineFan]

With the 29th pick the the mock draft the Baltimore Ravens select.....

Peter Konz - C, Wisconsin

Konz is not the most talented guy still left on my board, but he definitely fits the biggest need for Baltimore. The Ravens have a huge need on the interior line at LG and C. Ben Grubbs is a free agent and will be leaving for a big contract elsewhere, which leaves a huge hole at LG. At Center, Matt Birk and Andre Gurode are both free agents although I expect the Ravens to retain Gurode.

Gurode played decent at C last year, but really struggled when pressed into duty as an OG. With this in mind I aimed to fix the hole at OG instead of C and selected, what I believe to be, the most talented interior O-Lineman left on the board to plug that hole. What put me over the top on the selection is Konz's versatility to play either G or C.

I see Konz sliding in at the LG position as a rookie and competing for the starting job next year with 2nd year player Justin Boren. I do see him as the Center of the future though and eventually I expect Konz to move to Center as Gurode is phased out of the offense.

 

[Rey]

With the 30th pick in the draft the San Fran Gold Heads selct:

Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech

He'll be trading in one gold helmet for another.

Adding another weapon to this offense will help pay dividends down the road. Hopefully he can be the deep threat that they wanted Teddy Ginn to be. He will likely not be ready for a starting role from day 1, but he should be able to provide more exploxsive plays to this offense throughout the course of the season. In the future, he and Crabtree could form a dynamic duo.

 

[krocket]

With the 30th pick in the draft the San Fran Gold Heads selct:

Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech.....

Sorry, but I think we took him at 26

 

[Rey]

Sorry, but I think we took him at 26

Didn't the Texans take Rueben Randle?

Edit: I just checked...you are incorrect...

NO MORE SOUP FOR U!!!!

 

[Dutchrudder]

Didn't the Texans take Rueben Randle?

Yes. Gave the team to Bah007 to run instead of doing the never ending poll.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Yes. Gave the team to Bah007 to run instead of doing the never ending poll.

I vote for Tannehill

 

[beerlover]

It's good to be Bellibeer! With 31st pick, New England Patriots select a stud 5-tech DE out of University of Connecticut, Kendall Reyes. 6-4 300 lbs. Ran a 4.79 forty, 36 reps & 34.5 vertical @ the combine. Bellibeer is addressing front seven with two starting caliber defensive studs who will provide much improved Patriot pass rush.

 

[KMG 365]

With the 32nd pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the Super Bowl Champion New York Giants select...

Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford

Two of the Giants tight ends went out with ACLs. Because the injuries happened in February, they may not be ready for the start of the season. Fleener is a big-bodied TE that gives the Giants flexibility, ala the Patriots with Gronkowski.

 

[Dutchrudder]

Well, that concludes round 1. St. Louis is on the clock!

Round 2

St. Louis (2-14) pbat488
Indianapolis (2-14) Doppelganger
Minnesota (3-13) Section516
Tampa Bay (4-12) TexansSeminole
Cleveland (4-12) Dutchrudder
Jacksonville (5-11) Hou-Tex
Washington (5-11) Aussie Texan
Carolina (6-10) Timekiller
Buffalo (6-10) Texan4Ever
Miami (6-10) RMartin65
Seattle (7-9) Ndevine7
Kansas City (7-9) Honoring Earl 34
Dallas (8-8) SteelBTexan
Philadelphia (8-8) Shaft75
New York Jets (8-8) kiwitexansfan
New England (8-8) Beerlover
San Diego (8-8) Srrono
Chicago (8-8) MistaRed
Philadelphia (8-8) Shaft75
Tennessee (9-7) Señor Stan
Cincinnati* (9-7) Kaiser Toro
Detroit* (10-6) Super Mario
Atlanta* (10-6)
Pittsburgh* (12-4) Stingray
Denver* (8-8) JCTexan
Houston* (10-6) Bah007
New Orleans* (13-3) RT22
Green Bay* (15-1) nytexan
Baltimore* (12-4) WolverineFan
San Francisco* (13-3) Rey
New England* (13-3) beerlover
New York Giants* (9-7) KMG 365

I PM'd Pbatt.

 

[Dutchrudder]

Just want to reiterate this, it's for everyone's benefit so this doesn't last until the actual draft. Also, make sure your profile is set to an email that you use often.

One other thing that can help speed up this process is to enable email from other members on your profile. To enable it, go to "User CP", then click "Edit Options" on the side and make sure you have the box checked for "Receive Email from Other Members". I may use that to notify people when they have it enabled.

Please, add to the end of your post where you make a pick, who the next team is, who the owner is, and say if you PM or email them to notify them of the pick. We have 200 more selections to go, and it will take forever if we can't track people down.

 

[Doppelganger]

It's good to be Bellibeer! With 31st pick, New England Patriots select a stud 5-tech DE out of University of Connecticut, Kendall Reyes. 6-4 300 lbs. Ran a 4.79 forty, 36 reps & 34.5 vertical @ the combine. Bellibeer is addressing front seven with two starting caliber defensive studs who will provide much improved Patriot pass rush.

Jeez. Evil England gets Perry AND Reyes. That's almost unfair!!!

 

[WolverineFan]

It's good to be Bellibeer! With 31st pick, New England Patriots select a stud 5-tech DE out of University of Connecticut, Kendall Reyes. 6-4 300 lbs. Ran a 4.79 forty, 36 reps & 34.5 vertical @ the combine. Bellibeer is addressing front seven with two starting caliber defensive studs who will provide much improved Patriot pass rush.

Aren't the Pats running a 4-3 now?

I mean, either way both guys fit into the defense (Perry at RE and Reyes at 3'), but I just wanted to clarify.

 

[Doppelganger]

Aren't the Pats running a 4-3 now?

I mean, either way both guys fit into the defense (Perry at RE and Reyes at 3'), but I just wanted to clarify.

From what I have seen they play a hybrid 3-4/4-3 based on matchups and downs.

 

[aussie_texan]

love the reyes pick his going to be a stud.

 

[aussie_texan]

dare i say it the pats may be actually drafting well this year

 

[Doppelganger]

dare i say it the pats may be actually drafting players this year

Fixed it for you

 

[WolverineFan]

From what I have seen they play a hybrid 3-4/4-3 based on matchups and downs.

That makes sense. I'm dealing with the same thing drafting for Baltimore.

 

[Doppelganger]

With the 26th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the Houston Texans select:

Rueben Randle - WR, LSU

I was greatly tempted to take Nick Perry, the top talent left on the board here. But with the overwhelming need for an impact WR I was forced to take one here.

The choice came down to Randle or Stephen Hill. Despite Hill's higher potential ceiling I decided to go with Randle. I think he has a higher floor and the ability to be a bigger contributor at the beginning of his career.

Randle has good size and speed. He catches the ball with great hands instead of letting it come into his body. He runs great routes down the field. He may need some work on his underneath routes but I am confident that he has the skills and potential of a first round prospect.

I understand why you made the pick, but I disagree. I think Randle is overrated and is only this high on many boards becuase the Texans need a WR. To me, he is a late second round talent, not a late first rounder.

Now, I know a lot of people here really like him, but I am wary. His 40 time is slower than expected. But, moreso, he really didn't stand out positively at LSU this year. He had a solid season, but does solid warrant 1st round pick?

I know he didn't have a great QB, but i expect more of a first round pick. My biggest concern is that he played against Dre Kirpatrick and the Alabama Defense twice this year. In each game he was held without a catch. Kirkpatrick is a quality Pro Prospect, but he is not Revis. Kirpatrick is a solid cornerback, the kind of player he will face every week in the NFL. In addition, like I said, the guy played against Dre Kirpatrick a second time. You would think with additional film and time to work, he could have gotten at least one catch, in the second game but he didn't. It is almost like he didn't learn a single thing from his first matchup.

The NFL is all about adjustments. Failing to make a catch suggests to me he did not make enough adjustments between the two games. How many top receivers in the NFL have been shutout by the same cornerback twice in the same season? Not too many.

I don't see Randle as a first rounder and would prefer a player who has shown more for the Texans pick, but that, of course, is merely my opinion.

 

[Wolf6151]

I understand why you made the pick, but I disagree. I think Randle is overrated and is only this high on many boards becuase the Texans need a WR. To me, he is a late second round talent, not a late first rounder.

Now, I know a lot of people here really like him, but I am wary. His 40 time is slower than expected. But, moreso, he really didn't stand out positively at LSU this year. He had a solid season, but does solid warrant 1st round pick?

I know he didn't have a great QB, but i expect more of a first round pick. My biggest concern is that he played against Dre Kirpatrick and the Alabama Defense twice this year. In each game he was held without a catch. Kirkpatrick is a quality Pro Prospect, but he is not Revis. Kirpatrick is a solid cornerback, the kind of player he will face every week in the NFL. In addition, like I said, the guy played against Dre Kirpatrick a second time. You would think with additional film and time to work, he could have gotten at least one catch, in the second game but he didn't. It is almost like he didn't learn a single thing from his first matchup.

The NFL is all about adjustments. Failing to make a catch suggests to me he did not make enough adjustments between the two games. How many top receivers in the NFL have been shutout by the same cornerback twice in the same season? Not too many.

I don't see Randle as a first rounder and would prefer a player who has shown more for the Texans pick, but that, of course, is merely my opinion.

DG, you ain't alone, those opinions are shared by many here.

 

[rmartin65]

I understand why you made the pick, but I disagree. I think Randle is overrated and is only this high on many boards becuase the Texans need a WR. To me, he is a late second round talent, not a late first rounder.

Now, I know a lot of people here really like him, but I am wary. His 40 time is slower than expected. But, moreso, he really didn't stand out positively at LSU this year. He had a solid season, but does solid warrant 1st round pick?

I know he didn't have a great QB, but i expect more of a first round pick. My biggest concern is that he played against Dre Kirpatrick and the Alabama Defense twice this year. In each game he was held without a catch. Kirkpatrick is a quality Pro Prospect, but he is not Revis. Kirpatrick is a solid cornerback, the kind of player he will face every week in the NFL. In addition, like I said, the guy played against Dre Kirpatrick a second time. You would think with additional film and time to work, he could have gotten at least one catch, in the second game but he didn't. It is almost like he didn't learn a single thing from his first matchup.

The NFL is all about adjustments. Failing to make a catch suggests to me he did not make enough adjustments between the two games. How many top receivers in the NFL have been shutout by the same cornerback twice in the same season? Not too many.

I don't see Randle as a first rounder and would prefer a player who has shown more for the Texans pick, but that, of course, is merely my opinion.

DG, you ain't alone, those opinions are shared by many here.

Yep. You did a heck of a job explaining it though. Rep to you good Sir.

EDIT- MSR, I'll get ya' later

 

[JCTexan]

Yep. You did a heck of a job explaining it though. Rep to you good Sir.

EDIT- MSR, I'll get ya' later

I got him for you.

 

[WolverineFan]

I understand why you made the pick, but I disagree. I think Randle is overrated and is only this high on many boards becuase the Texans need a WR. To me, he is a late second round talent, not a late first rounder.

Now, I know a lot of people here really like him, but I am wary. His 40 time is slower than expected. But, moreso, he really didn't stand out positively at LSU this year. He had a solid season, but does solid warrant 1st round pick?

I know he didn't have a great QB, but i expect more of a first round pick. My biggest concern is that he played against Dre Kirpatrick and the Alabama Defense twice this year. In each game he was held without a catch. Kirkpatrick is a quality Pro Prospect, but he is not Revis. Kirpatrick is a solid cornerback, the kind of player he will face every week in the NFL. In addition, like I said, the guy played against Dre Kirpatrick a second time. You would think with additional film and time to work, he could have gotten at least one catch, in the second game but he didn't. It is almost like he didn't learn a single thing from his first matchup.

The NFL is all about adjustments. Failing to make a catch suggests to me he did not make enough adjustments between the two games. How many top receivers in the NFL have been shutout by the same cornerback twice in the same season? Not too many.

I don't see Randle as a first rounder and would prefer a player who has shown more for the Texans pick, but that, of course, is merely my opinion.

Not entirely accurate. Randle caught 5 passes in the two games against Alabama, which might still look bad to the observer. However, LSU QB's only completed 20 passes in the two games combined and only 14 of those were to WR's. Of those 14, 4-5 were screens to their two slot guys (Beckham Jr. and Shepard). So Randle caught 5 of the 10 or so non-screen completions to wideouts in the 2 games.

You can blame the LSU passing game (mainly Jordan Jefferson) for his lack of statistical prowess this year. He was fairly productive while Jarrett Lee was the QB and then Les Miles inexplicably pulled the kid in favor of Jefferson and gave him about 5 snaps total in the last 7-8 games.

Randle actually caught 53 passes for 917 yds and 8 td's, which surprised the hell out of me because the LSU passing game was horrid this year, ranked #110 or something like that (and they aren't an option team). He also had all 4 of LSU's 100+ yd receiving games this year.

 

[bah007]

I understand why you made the pick, but I disagree. I think Randle is overrated and is only this high on many boards becuase the Texans need a WR. To me, he is a late second round talent, not a late first rounder.

Now, I know a lot of people here really like him, but I am wary. His 40 time is slower than expected. But, moreso, he really didn't stand out positively at LSU this year. He had a solid season, but does solid warrant 1st round pick?

I know he didn't have a great QB, but i expect more of a first round pick. My biggest concern is that he played against Dre Kirpatrick and the Alabama Defense twice this year. In each game he was held without a catch. Kirkpatrick is a quality Pro Prospect, but he is not Revis. Kirpatrick is a solid cornerback, the kind of player he will face every week in the NFL. In addition, like I said, the guy played against Dre Kirpatrick a second time. You would think with additional film and time to work, he could have gotten at least one catch, in the second game but he didn't. It is almost like he didn't learn a single thing from his first matchup.

The NFL is all about adjustments. Failing to make a catch suggests to me he did not make enough adjustments between the two games. How many top receivers in the NFL have been shutout by the same cornerback twice in the same season? Not too many....

Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the pick. And honestly, y'all can blast me if you want to. You don't have to be nice about it. I wouldn't have volunteered to take over the team if I couldn't handle it.

As I stated before, at this spot in the draft any WR would have been a slight reach. And I had Perry rated as the highest player still on the board. I wanted Perry pretty bad but I just couldn't pass on Randle, who I see as an impact player at WR.

Considering the QB play at LSU, I would say that Randle was better than just solid this year. It is hard for a skill player to stand out when the QB can't put the ball in his hands. Randle did manage to account for over 40% of his team's receiving total (about the same rate as Hill).

Randle did manage 5 catches in his two matchups against Kirkpatrick. Not impressive by any stretch but he wasn't exactly shutout. Furthermore, bashing Randle for his performance against Alabama seems silly. Alabama was far and away the best defense in the entire country. And it's not close at all. How many NFL players do they have on that defense? And how many does LSU have on their offense? But the only matchup that matters is Randle vs Kirkpatrick? Did you watch the games? LSU's offensive line was over matched from the word go. And their QBs were even worse. What is Randle supposed to do? Line up at QB and throw the ball to himself?

Here is how Hill did against his top competition:
1 catch against David Amerson (North Carolina St)
0 catches against Chase Minnifield (Virginia)
1 catch against Brandon McGee (Miami)
2 catches against Jayron Hosley (Virginia Tech)

Not exactly a world beater. And don't even bother comparing the offensive styles. LSU only averaged 10 passing yards more per game. The difference is Georgia Tech's passing game was supported by a MUCH better rushing attack, thus taking pressure off of the QB and WRs.

I don't see Randle as a first rounder and would prefer a player who has shown more for the Texans pick, but that, of course, is merely my opinion.

I don't have a problem with this statement. The problem I have is that most of the people spouting this support Hill for the pick, and he showed even less in his college career than Randle did.

 

[Doppelganger]

Not entirely accurate. Randle caught 5 passes in the two games against Alabama, which might still look bad to the observer. However, LSU QB's only completed 20 passes in the two games combined and only 14 of those were to WR's. Of those 14, 4-5 were screens to their two slot guys (Beckham Jr. and Shepard). So Randle caught 5 of the 10 or so non-screen completions to wideouts in the 2 games.

You can blame the LSU passing game (mainly Jordan Jefferson) for his lack of statistical prowess this year. He was fairly productive while Jarrett Lee was the QB and then Les Miles inexplicably pulled the kid in favor of Jefferson and gave him about 5 snaps total in the last 7-8 games.

Randle actually caught 53 passes for 917 yds and 8 td's, which surprised the hell out of me because the LSU passing game was horrid this year, ranked #110 or something like that (and they aren't an option team). He also had all 4 of LSU's 100+ yd receiving games this year.

You were correct. I had a brain fart. He did have 4 100+ games this year.

But he also had 3 games where he had a single catch (Oregon, Kentucky, and Ole Miss). He also had 2, 2 catch games (Bama and Georgia). In big game scenarios he came up awfully small. 5 catches for a 32 yards in 2 games against Bama and 2 for 15 yards in the SEC championship game.

He played 6 Top 25 teams: Oregon, West Virginia, Kentucky, Auburn, Bama, and Georgia.

Here are his stats:
Oregon: 1 catches, 10 yards, 1 td
West Virginia: 6 catches, 53 yards, 1 td
Kentucky: 1 catch, 37 yards, 0 tds
Bama: 2 catches 19 yards, 0 tds
Auburn: 5 catches, 106 yards, 2 tds
Georgia: 2 catches 15 yards, 0 tds
Bama: 3 catches 13 yards.

Outside of the Auburn game he put up numbers against non Top 25 teams. He was wildly inconsistent in his play. Some of it due to the QB, sure, but a first round WR should be more consistent. When the spotlight of the big games came, he disappeared.

There is no consistency to his game. He has a lot of talent and upside, but for a first rounder I want to see more production. Thus, I don't rate him as a first round talent, but as a late second.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

You were correct. I had a brain fart. He did have 4 100+ games this year.

But he also had 3 games where he had a single catch (Oregon, Kentucky, and Ole Miss). He also had 2, 2 catch games (Bama and Georgia). In big game scenarios he came up awfully small. 5 catches for a 32 yards in 2 games against Bama and 2 for 15 yards in the SEC championship game.

He played 6 Top 25 teams: Oregon, West Virginia, Kentucky, Auburn, Bama, and Georgia.

Here are his stats:
Oregon: 1 catches, 10 yards, 1 td
West Virginia: 6 catches, 53 yards, 1 td
Kentucky: 1 catch, 37 yards, 0 tds
Bama: 2 catches 19 yards, 0 tds
Auburn: 5 catches, 106 yards, 2 tds
Georgia: 2 catches 15 yards, 0 tds
Bama: 3 catches 13 yards.

Outside of the Auburn game he put up numbers against non Top 25 teams. He was wildly inconsistent in his play. Some of it due to the QB, sure, but a first round WR should be more consistent. When the spotlight of the big games came, he disappeared.

There is no consistency to his game. He has a lot of talent and upside, but for a first rounder I want to see more production. Thus, I don't rate him as a first round talent, but as a late second.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/participants

Opinions are us .

 

[bah007]

And if you really want to delve into statistics, for all the credit Hill gets for the numbers he put up in that offense, he really did most of his damage in two games.

Against Western Carolina and Middle Tennessee he totaled 7 catches for 307 yards and 3 TDs.

In his other 11 games, all against BCS teams. He had a whopping 21 catches for 513 yards and 2 TDs.

I just don't understand why Hill gets a free pass. Randle was a more complete and productive player. He is more pro ready. He has a good size and speed combination. But Hill ran a 4.36 so all of that is moot apparently...

 

[Doppelganger]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the pick. And honestly, y'all can blast me if you want to. You don't have to be nice about it. I wouldn't have volunteered to take over the team if I couldn't handle it.

As I stated before, at this spot in the draft any WR would have been a slight reach. And I had Perry rated as the highest player still on the board. I wanted Perry pretty bad but I just couldn't pass on Randle, who I see as an impact player at WR.

Considering the QB play at LSU, I would say that Randle was better than just solid this year. It is hard for a skill player to stand out when the QB can't put the ball in his hands. Randle did manage to account for over 40% of his team's receiving total (about the same rate as Hill).

Randle did manage 5 catches in his two matchups against Kirkpatrick. Not impressive by any stretch but he wasn't exactly shutout. Furthermore, bashing Randle for his performance against Alabama seems silly. Alabama was far and away the best defense in the entire country. And it's not close at all. How many NFL players do they have on that defense? And how many does LSU have on their offense? But the only matchup that matters is Randle vs Kirkpatrick? Did you watch the games? LSU's offensive line was over matched from the word go. And their QBs were even worse. What is Randle supposed to do? Line up at QB and throw the ball to himself?

Here is how Hill did against his top competition:
1 catch against David Amerson (North Carolina St)
0 catches against Chase Minnifield (Virginia)
1 catch against Brandon McGee (Miami)
2 catches against Jayron Hosley (Virginia Tech)

Not exactly a world beater. And don't even bother comparing the offensive styles. LSU only averaged 10 passing yards more per game. The difference is Georgia Tech's passing game was supported by a MUCH better rushing attack, thus taking pressure off of the QB and WRs.



I don't have a problem with this statement. The problem I have is that most of the people spouting this support Hill for the pick, and he showed even less in his college career than Randle did.

I hear you, please read my previous post where I breakdown Randle against top 25 competition.

Randle reminds me of Limas Sweed. Like Sweed, Randle had tons of talent and upside. He had iffy speed. He played great against lesser competition and was inconsistent against the top schools in college. He went mid to late 2nd round and never panned out.

 

[Doppelganger]

And if you really want to delve into statistics, for all the credit Hill gets for the numbers he put up in that offense, he really did most of his damage in two games.

Against Western Carolina and Middle Tennessee he totaled 7 catches for 307 yards and 3 TDs.

In his other 11 games, all against BCS teams. He had a whopping 21 catches for 513 yards and 2 TDs.

I just don't understand why Hill gets a free pass. Randle was a more complete and productive player. He is more pro ready. He has a good size and speed combination. But Hill ran a 4.36 so all of that is moot apparently...

I have not addressed Hill in any of my posts. Not sure why you brought him up, but yeah, I wouldn't draft Hill in the first either for most of the same reasons.

 

[bah007]

I have not addressed Hill in any of my posts. Not sure why you brought him up, but yeah, I wouldn't draft Hill in the first either for most of the same reasons.

I must have mistaken you for another poster. I thought you had showed support for picking Hill earlier. My mistake.

Most of the critique about the pick seems to be that I should have taken Hill instead of Randle. that is why I have been comparing the two.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

I must have mistaken you for another poster. I thought you had showed support for picking Hill earlier. My mistake.

Most of the critique about the pick seems to be that I should have taken Hill instead of Randle. that is why I have been comparing the two.

I think you compare

1. Randle
2. Konz
3. Perry

 

[bah007]

I think you compare

1. Randle
2. Konz
3. Perry

I didn't really consider Konz because I think we bring back Myers.

As I have said numerous times, I love Perry but decided to go with Randle. Perry is the better player, but I seem to have Randle rated higher than most. I think he is a solid #2 option who just needs a little bit of work on his underneath routes.

I am comfortable enough with Barwin and Reed that I decided to pass on Perry and take an OLB later in the draft for depth.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

I didn't really consider Konz because I think we bring back Myers.

As I have said numerous times, I love Perry but decided to go with Randle. Perry is the better player, but I seem to have Randle rated higher than most. I think he is a solid #2 option who just needs a little bit of work on his underneath routes.

I am comfortable enough with Barwin and Reed that I decided to pass on Perry and take an OLB later in the draft for depth.

You will not win drafting for the Texans .

 

[bah007]

You will not win drafting for the Texans .

How so?

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

How so?

Cause you won't make everybody happy . Last year the guy took a CB then a safety and got hammered .

 

[Shaft75]

You will not win drafting for the Texans .

I wanted Melvin Ingram and should neg rep Bah for not making it happen. But I know that he had Randle ranked ahead of him and Luck/RG3 at the top of his board.


/sarcasm

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

I wanted Melvin Ingram and should neg rep Bah for not making it happen. But I know that he had Randle ranked ahead of him and Luck/RG3 at the top of his board.


/sarcasm

So you'd do a Ricky Williams deal ?