2011 mock by Walter

[badboy]

At #60 a DT makes more sense than a WR to me. Houston Texans: Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State
Adding more talent to the defensive line is never a bad idea. The Texans had major problems at defensive tackle in 2009, but aside from drafting Earl Mitchell in the third round, they failed to address the position. They may fix things in the 2011 NFL Draft.

Pick change; previously Terrance Toliver, WR

 

[nero THE zero]

Oct. 14, 2010

27. Houston Texans: Jurrell Casey, DT, USC
Adding more talent to the defensive line is never a bad idea. The Texans had major problems at defensive tackle in 2009, but aside from drafting Earl Mitchell in the third round, they failed to address the position. They may fix things in the 2011 NFL Draft.

59. Houston Texans: Will Hill, FS, Florida
Houston's secondary has surrendered 1,718 passing yards in the first five weeks of the season. It's so bad that even started Bruce Gradkowski in one of my leagues two weeks ago.

The Texans were desperate and started Troy Nolan against the Giants. The results were disastrous. They really need help at free safety.

Pick change; previously Curtis Brown, CB

91. Houston Texans: Jabaal Sheard, DE, Pittsburgh
The Texans showed some interest in Aaron Schobel, but nothing really worked out. They then brought in Mark Anderson. Houston clearly wants help at defensive end.

 

[kiwitexansfan]

My 2c as a Nebraska fan on Crick.

He was dynamic and awesome last year, but I think that was a lot about playing next to Suh.

This year he is still good but I don't see him impacting games in a way that justifies he being a 1st round pick.

 

[beerlover]

I fail to see their logic in the pecking order? doubt Texans still project to be selecting late as #27 that being said take the best impact defensive player around the 20th selection. Have my sights set on Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue.

 

[Rey]

Nolan didn't look "disastrous" to me against the Giants. Eli wasn't bombing down the middle of the field..He was completing a lot of intermediate and side line stuff.

 

[nero THE zero]

20. Houston Texans: Deunta Williams, FS, North Carolina
Houston's secondary has surrendered 1,919 passing yards in the first six weeks of the season. Eugene Wilson has been awful, and the Texans were so desperate that they started Troy Nolan against the Giants. The results were disastrous. They really need help at free safety.

Pick change; previously Jurrell Casey, DT

52. Houston Texans: Greg Romeus, DE, Pittsburgh
The Texans showed some interest in Aaron Schobel, but nothing really worked out. They then brought in Mark Anderson. Houston clearly wants help at defensive end.

Greg Romeus has barely played this year, but had 11.5 TFL and eight sacks in 2009.

Pick change; previously Will Hill, FS

84. Houston Texans: Jarvis Jenkins, DT, Clemson
Adding more talent to the defensive line is never a bad idea. The Texans had major problems at defensive tackle in 2009, but aside from drafting Earl Mitchell in the third round, they failed to address the position. They may fix things in the 2011 NFL Draft.

Pick change; previously Jabaal Sheard, DE

 

[IDEXAN]

We use 2 of first 3 picks on DLine ? Sounds good to me.

 

[Wolf6151]

20. Houston Texans: Deunta Williams, FS, North Carolina
Houston's secondary has surrendered 1,919 passing yards in the first six weeks of the season. Eugene Wilson has been awful, and the Texans were so desperate that they started Troy Nolan against the Giants. The results were disastrous. They really need help at free safety.

Pick change; previously Jurrell Casey, DT

52. Houston Texans: Greg Romeus, DE, Pittsburgh
The Texans showed some interest in Aaron Schobel, but nothing really worked out. They then brought in Mark Anderson. Houston clearly wants help at defensive end.

Greg Romeus has barely played this year, but had 11.5 TFL and eight sacks in 2009.

Pick change; previously Will Hill, FS

84. Houston Texans: Jarvis Jenkins, DT, Clemson
Adding more talent to the defensive line is never a bad idea. The Texans had major problems at defensive tackle in 2009, but aside from drafting Earl Mitchell in the third round, they failed to address the position. They may fix things in the 2011 NFL Draft.

Pick change; previously Jabaal Sheard, DE

I'd prefer Brandon Harris-CB in the 1st round and to get an experienced FS in FA but I could certainly live with this.

 

[steelbtexan]

I fail to see their logic in the pecking order? doubt Texans still project to be selecting late as #27 that being said take the best impact defensive player around the 20th selection. Have my sights set on Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue.

Dont know where the Texans will be picking but the two guys I want the Texans to take are Aaron Wiliams in the 12-20 range. Or Kerrigan in the 20-30 range.

If the Texans are picking 12-15 and get Williams. I would trade back into the bottom of the 1st rd and take Kerrigan. Of course the Texans wont do this but it would go along way to solving the problems on this defense.

This will all be a moot point come draft day because the guys I want the Texans to take in the offseason always move up 10 spots by draft day. That and the fact I'm losing faith in R.Smith's ability to procure top talent in the draft.

 

[Goldensilence]

We use 2 of first 3 picks on DLine ? Sounds good to me.

Sounds terrible to me. Texans haven't been able to get what we should out of first round DTs. Dts in the first are such boom or bust propositions. I'd rather just stay away from them and use our first on a spot we know we're going to get production out of the gate.

I'd really like to see a FS in the first.

 

[badboy]

Dont know where the Texans will be picking but the two guys I want the Texans to take are Aaron Wiliams in the 12-20 range. Or Kerrigan in the 20-30 range.

If the Texans are picking 12-15 and get Williams. I would trade back into the bottom of the 1st rd and take Kerrigan. Of course the Texans wont do this but it would go along way to solving the problems on this defense.

This will all be a moot point come draft day because the guys I want the Texans to take in the offseason always move up 10 spots by draft day. That and the fact I'm losing faith in R.Smith's ability to procure top talent in the draft.

If Houston picks below 20, heads should roll. I would be cool this year going defense all picks. CB should be deep but not free safety. If anyone has idea of free agent safeties available next off season, please post.

 

[nero THE zero]

Sounds terrible to me. Texans haven't been able to get what we should out of first round DTs. Dts in the first are such boom or bust propositions. I'd rather just stay away from them and use our first on a spot we know we're going to get production out of the gate.

I'd really like to see a FS in the first.

Uh, did you even read the post you quoted?

Also, what I find funny about Walter's mock is that he had the 3-2 Texans picking 27th, and the 4-2 Texans picking 20th. The math just doesn't seem right to me, but what do I know.

 

[Goldensilence]

Uh, did you even read the post you quoted?

Also, what I find funny about Walter's mock is that he had the 3-2 Texans picking 27th, and the 4-2 Texans picking 20th. The math just doesn't seem right to me, but what do I know.

Uhh yes I did. Thanks. Maybe you can point out to me what I misinterpreted about 2-3 top picks on the DL.

At this point I'm done with this staff/team taking DTs high. It's just too much of a boom or bust position,we've busted twice, and missed out on much more productive players while we hope and pray that they figure it out. At this point we're getting similar production from a rotated 3rd round pick as opposed to our top 10 dt.

 

[Wolf6151]

Uhh yes I did. Thanks. Maybe you can point out to me what I misinterpreted about 2-3 top picks on the DL.

At this point I'm done with this staff/team taking DTs high. It's just too much of a boom or bust position,we've busted twice, and missed out on much more productive players while we hope and pray that they figure it out. At this point we're getting similar production from a rotated 3rd round pick as opposed to our top 10 dt.

The 2 D-line picks aren't early or high draft picks. FS was taken in the 1st round, DE taken in the 2nd round, and DT was taken in the 3rd round. A 3rd round DT isn't a high draft pick.

 

[nero THE zero]

Uhh yes I did. Thanks. Maybe you can point out to me what I misinterpreted about 2-3 top picks on the DL.

At this point I'm done with this staff/team taking DTs high. It's just too much of a boom or bust position,we've busted twice, and missed out on much more productive players while we hope and pray that they figure it out. At this point we're getting similar production from a rotated 3rd round pick as opposed to our top 10 dt.

You're complaining about him having us take a DT in the first round and would rather us take a FS.

He has us taking a FS in the first round, not a DT.

 

[steelbtexan]

I would rather see Smith draft a CB/S and a pass rushing DE high. rds1/2.

Then sign or trade for a proven vet DT. Like the Skins did with Kemau.

Drafting interior DL high is too much of a crap shoot for my taste.

 

[beerlover]

I would rather see Smith draft a CB/S and a pass rushing DE high. rds1/2.

Then sign or trade for a proven vet DT. Like the Skins did with Kemau.

Drafting interior DL high is too much of a crap shoot for my taste.

I would take any one of the above if in fact he was the bpa.... :kubepalm:

 

[Wolf6151]

Here's the latest from Walter, they've got us picking at #19:

1. Janoris Jenkins-CB Florida
2. Jurrell Casey-DT USC
3. Pernell McPhee-DE Mississippi State

To be honest, I ain't real thrilled with it and don't know anything about McPhee.

 

[badboy]

Here's the latest from Walter, they've got us picking at #19:

1. Janoris Jenkins-CB Florida
2. Jurrell Casey-DT USC
3. Pernell McPhee-DE Mississippi State

To be honest, I ain't real thrilled with it and don't know anything about McPhee.

My interest in Jenkins has wained a bit. I think he is a bit slow for his size. Here is an eval from Walterfootball.com for those who do not research it.

Janoris Jenkins, CB, Florida
Height: 5-10. Weight: 188.
Projected 40 Time: 4.56.
Projected Round (2011): 2-3.
10/9/10: Jenkins isn't technicallly the greatest corner in the 2011 NFL Draft and he lacks elite athleticism, but he has great instincts. I'm not as high on him as most are, and his matchup against A.J. Green will be interesting to say the least. He held his own against Julio Jones.

McPhee, I have not followed very closely but info is he may be over weight and need to shed some. A good senior bowl and great combine would allow his stock to rise. I have him around a 4th round but do not want any of these player on Texans. Hope this helps.

Casey I liked better but is slipping: Jurrell Casey*, DT, USC
Height: 6-1. Weight: 295.
Projected 40 Time: 5.04.
Projected Round (2011): 1-2.
10/8/10: Teams seem to be focusing more in on Casey this season by bringing double teams and chipping the running back to prevent him from being as effective as a pass-rusher. Maybe we also overrated his talent level last season. Whatever the case, his stock is quietly falling.

5/6/10: A 4-3 under tackle only, Jurrell Casey is expected to have a big junior year; he collected nine TFL and 4.5 sacks in 2009.

 

[nero THE zero]

19. # Houston Texans: Jonathan Baldwin, WR, Pittsburgh
How much longer can Gary Kubiak keep trotting out underachievers like Jacoby Jones or mediocre talents like Kevin Walter to play across from Andre Johnson? It's time to find a legitimate starter across from Johnson, and Jonathan Baldwin is the top player available.

Baldwin, at 6-5, 225, caught 57 balls for 1,111 yards and eight touchdowns as a sophomore in 2009. He has only 33 receptions through eight games this season because his 5-foot-8 tattooed quarterback can't get him the ball.

Pick change; previously Janoris Jenkins, CB

50. Houston Texans: Jurrell Casey, DT, USC
Adding more talent to the defensive line is never a bad idea. The Texans had major problems at defensive tackle in 2009, but aside from drafting Earl Mitchell in the third round, they failed to address the position. They may fix things in the 2011 NFL Draft.

Jurrell Casey is a great value here; he drops because there are too many 3-4 teams that wouldn't consider him.

81. Houston Texans: Pernell McPhee, DE, Mississippi State
The Texans showed some interest in Aaron Schobel, but nothing really worked out. They then brought in Mark Anderson. Houston clearly wants help at defensive end.

 

[badboy]

19. # Houston Texans: Jonathan Baldwin, WR, Pittsburgh
How much longer can Gary Kubiak keep trotting out underachievers like Jacoby Jones or mediocre talents like Kevin Walter to play across from Andre Johnson? It's time to find a legitimate starter across from Johnson, and Jonathan Baldwin is the top player available.

Baldwin, at 6-5, 225, caught 57 balls for 1,111 yards and eight touchdowns as a sophomore in 2009. He has only 33 receptions through eight games this season because his 5-foot-8 tattooed quarterback can't get him the ball.

Pick change; previously Janoris Jenkins, CB

50. Houston Texans: Jurrell Casey, DT, USC
Adding more talent to the defensive line is never a bad idea. The Texans had major problems at defensive tackle in 2009, but aside from drafting Earl Mitchell in the third round, they failed to address the position. They may fix things in the 2011 NFL Draft.

Jurrell Casey is a great value here; he drops because there are too many 3-4 teams that wouldn't consider him.

81. Houston Texans: Pernell McPhee, DE, Mississippi State
The Texans showed some interest in Aaron Schobel, but nothing really worked out. They then brought in Mark Anderson. Houston clearly wants help at defensive end.

Baldwin does look like a good pick but I have heard analysts say Houston does not want two #1 WRs due to salary. Not sure I agree about that because you can bring the rookie in at a very reasonable deal under the new CBA and Johnson is locked in through most of his productive years. Link to Balwin's evaluation http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2011jbaldwin.php

I have a hard time going WR in first 3 rounds but think there are some pretty good prospects probably avail in 4th. The info comes from Waltefootball.com

Derrell Johnson-Koulianos, WR/KR, Iowa
Height: 6-1. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.43.
Projected Round (2011): 3-5.
3/31/10: An underrated talent, Derrell Johnson-Koulianos snagged 45 passes for 750 yards in 2009. Doubles as a solid kick-returner.

8/7/09: A big receiver with solid speed, Derrell Johnson-Koulianos notched 44 receptions for 639 yards and three scores as a sophomore.



Terrance Toliver, WR, LSU
Height: 6-5. Weight: 206.
Projected 40 Time: 4.50.
Projected Round (2011): 4-6.
3/31/10: Terrance Toliver really improved as a junior, catching 53 passes for 735 yards and three scores.

DeAndre Brown*, WR, Southern Miss
Height: 6-6. Weight: 228.
Projected 40 Time: 4.48.
Projected Round (2011): 4-6.
3/31/10: Coming off a broken leg, DeAndre Brown caught 47 passes for 785 yards and nine scores. What broken leg?

8/7/09: As a freshman, DeAndre Brown logged 67 receptions for 1,117 yards and 12 touchdowns. Unfortunately, he broke his leg in a meaningless winter practice game.

Ryan Whalen, WR, Stanford
Height: 6-2. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.51.
Projected Round (2011): 4-6.
3/31/10: Ryan Whalen notched 57 receptions, 926 yards and four touchdowns in 2009.

Chris Owusu*, WR, Stanford
Height: 6-2. Weight: 201.
Projected 40 Time: 4.46.
Projected Round (2011): 4-6
3/31/10: Grabbed 37 balls for 682 yards and five scores in a pro-style attack. Could declare early if Andrew Luck leaves.

 

[BigBull17]

Baldwin does look like a good pick but I have heard analysts say Houston does not want two #1 WRs due to salary. Not sure I agree about that because you can bring the rookie in at a very reasonable deal under the new CBA and Johnson is locked in through most of his productive years. Link to Balwin's evaluation http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2011jbaldwin.php

I have a hard time going WR in first 3 rounds but think there are some pretty good prospects probably avail in 4th. The info comes from Waltefootball.com

Derrell Johnson-Koulianos, WR/KR, Iowa
Height: 6-1. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.43.
Projected Round (2011): 3-5.
3/31/10: An underrated talent, Derrell Johnson-Koulianos snagged 45 passes for 750 yards in 2009. Doubles as a solid kick-returner.

8/7/09: A big receiver with solid speed, Derrell Johnson-Koulianos notched 44 receptions for 639 yards and three scores as a sophomore.



Terrance Toliver, WR, LSU
Height: 6-5. Weight: 206.
Projected 40 Time: 4.50.
Projected Round (2011): 4-6.
3/31/10: Terrance Toliver really improved as a junior, catching 53 passes for 735 yards and three scores.

DeAndre Brown*, WR, Southern Miss
Height: 6-6. Weight: 228.
Projected 40 Time: 4.48.
Projected Round (2011): 4-6.
3/31/10: Coming off a broken leg, DeAndre Brown caught 47 passes for 785 yards and nine scores. What broken leg?

8/7/09: As a freshman, DeAndre Brown logged 67 receptions for 1,117 yards and 12 touchdowns. Unfortunately, he broke his leg in a meaningless winter practice game.

Ryan Whalen, WR, Stanford
Height: 6-2. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.51.
Projected Round (2011): 4-6.
3/31/10: Ryan Whalen notched 57 receptions, 926 yards and four touchdowns in 2009.

Chris Owusu*, WR, Stanford
Height: 6-2. Weight: 201.
Projected 40 Time: 4.46.
Projected Round (2011): 4-6
3/31/10: Grabbed 37 balls for 682 yards and five scores in a pro-style attack. Could declare early if Andrew Luck leaves.

We've done the budget wr's, and they don't fill the void. I'm very disappointed in Walter this year, minus one game. Get the oline and weapons needed to take pressure off of AJ.

 

[nero THE zero]

I think we're pretty much in position to take BPA.

Sure, we have needs in the middle of both lines and in the secondary, but they're not so pressing to preclude us from making a luxury pick if we really like a player. Plus, we desperately need a veteran presence in our secondary moreso than rookies.

 

[badboy]

We've done the budget wr's, and they don't fill the void. I'm very disappointed in Walter this year, minus one game. Get the oline and weapons needed to take pressure off of AJ.

IMO none of our WRs including AJ have stepped up this season. SOme of that is Oline and some QB but some is on the WRs

 

[BigBull17]

IMO none of our WRs including AJ have stepped up this season. SOme of that is Oline and some QB but some is on the WRs

...AJ hasn't stepped up...? God, can't wait for that. His ankle is really bothering him, IMO.

 

[badboy]

...AJ hasn't stepped up...? God, can't wait for that. His ankle is really bothering him, IMO.

Since injurying his ankle, he avg 16 yds on 4 receptions against Dallas; 13.2 on 12 receptions against Washingon and 11 yds on 3 receptions against Colts. His first three games he had 7,8 and 5 receptions for 15, 17 and 19 but only three touchdowns. AJ can get the ball down the field but I'd like to see a few more long TDS. I am not trying to trash him and consider him the team's best player.

 

[BigBull17]

Since injurying his ankle, he avg 16 yds on 4 receptions against Dallas; 13.2 on 12 receptions against Washingon and 11 yds on 3 receptions against Colts. His first three games he had 7,8 and 5 receptions for 15, 17 and 19 but only three touchdowns. AJ can get the ball down the field but I'd like to see a few more long TDS. I am not trying to trash him and consider him the team's best player.

OK. I think his ankle is bugging him.

 

[beerlover]

we go through this (taking WR in 1st) every year, just look at it as a review of a future fantasy play next year for another team

Indy was deep @ WR so they didn't draft one yet they picked up Blair White, who I wanted the Texans to take a look at 4th/5th rd. but went undrafted. now he is getting spot WR duty & returning punts which is more bang for the buck than the Texans are getting from entire 4th-7th rd. picks of Texans.

Right now if I where going to look WR in a later round 6th or 7th I really like that Oregon Duck Jeff Maehl, WR, 6-1 180. excellent route runner with soft hands reminds me of Kevin Walter but needs to get stronger.

 

[Wolf6151]

Hell NO to a WR in the 1st round, I wouldn't mind Terrance Toliver-WR from LSU in the 4th round but no earlier. Actually I'd like to see us go all defense in this draft with double picks at DT and CB.


Can we draft a head coach and coaching staff? Maybe Jim Harbough from Stanford?

 

[badboy]

Hell NO to a WR in the 1st round, I wouldn't mind Terrance Toliver-WR from LSU in the 4th round but no earlier. Actually I'd like to see us go all defense in this draft with double picks at DT and CB.


Can we draft a head coach and coaching staff? Maybe Jim Harbough from Stanford?

Yep to what you said.

 

[Rey]

I would not consider drafting a WR or and offensive skill player early unless they were just the shyt.

Otherwise, I'm looking to upgrade that defensive interior and the defensive backfield.

Give me a DB and a DT (any order) in the first two rounds and I could really care less what they do for the rest of the draft.

 

[steelbtexan]

we go through this (taking WR in 1st) every year, just look at it as a review of a future fantasy play next year for another team

Indy was deep @ WR so they didn't draft one yet they picked up Blair White, who I wanted the Texans to take a look at 4th/5th rd. but went undrafted. now he is getting spot WR duty & returning punts which is more bang for the buck than the Texans are getting from entire 4th-7th rd. picks of Texans.

Right now if I where going to look WR in a later round 6th or 7th I really like that Oregon Duck Jeff Maehl, WR, 6-1 180. excellent route runner with soft hands reminds me of Kevin Walter but needs to get stronger.

This one of the reasons the Colts are better than the Texans. They are better talent evaluators (That and #18) than Smithiak. Only Dungy could hold the Colts back from multiple championships. IMHO

 

[nero THE zero]

Wow. Talk about reactionary. He has us picking at 13 now.

Anyway...

13. Houston Texans: Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
How much longer can Gary Kubiak keep trotting out underachievers like Jacoby Jones or mediocre talents like Kevin Walter to play across from Andre Johnson? It's time to find a legitimate starter across from Johnson, and Julio Jones is arguably the top player available.

Jones' downfall is the inconsistency with his hands, but he's an elite talent otherwise. Brandon Marshall also has trouble catching the ball at times, and teams would gladly draft someone of that caliber at No. 13 overall.

Besides, Jones has been better of late, even showing off his toughness by playing hurt. And despite the injury, Jones caught six balls against Patrick Peterson.

Pick change; previously Jonathan Baldwin, WR

44. Houston Texans: Drake Nevis, DT, LSU
Adding more talent to the defensive line is never a bad idea. The Texans had major problems at defensive tackle in 2009, but aside from drafting Earl Mitchell in the third round, they failed to address the position. They may fix things in the 2011 NFL Draft.

Drake Nevis is a great value here; he drops because there are too many 3-4 teams that wouldn't consider him.

Pick change; previously Jurrell Casey, DT

80. Houston Texans: Pernell McPhee, DE, Mississippi State
The Texans showed some interest in Aaron Schobel, but nothing really worked out. They then brought in Mark Anderson. Houston clearly wants help at defensive end.

 

[badboy]

Wow. Talk about reactionary. He has us picking at 13 now.

Anyway...

13. Houston Texans: Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
How much longer can Gary Kubiak keep trotting out underachievers like Jacoby Jones or mediocre talents like Kevin Walter to play across from Andre Johnson? It's time to find a legitimate starter across from Johnson, and Julio Jones is arguably the top player available.

Jones' downfall is the inconsistency with his hands, but he's an elite talent otherwise. Brandon Marshall also has trouble catching the ball at times, and teams would gladly draft someone of that caliber at No. 13 overall.

Besides, Jones has been better of late, even showing off his toughness by playing hurt. And despite the injury, Jones caught six balls against Patrick Peterson.

Pick change; previously Jonathan Baldwin, WR

44. Houston Texans: Drake Nevis, DT, LSU
Adding more talent to the defensive line is never a bad idea. The Texans had major problems at defensive tackle in 2009, but aside from drafting Earl Mitchell in the third round, they failed to address the position. They may fix things in the 2011 NFL Draft.

Drake Nevis is a great value here; he drops because there are too many 3-4 teams that wouldn't consider him.

Pick change; previously Jurrell Casey, DT

80. Houston Texans: Pernell McPhee, DE, Mississippi State
The Texans showed some interest in Aaron Schobel, but nothing really worked out. They then brought in Mark Anderson. Houston clearly wants help at defensive end.

While I do use Walter for player info and evals, I put little emphasis on their mocks. I'd be very okay with the last two picks but would probably go corner first round again with those two D guys noted in 2nd & 3rd. I think we are closer to 19 than 13 today.

 

[Wolf6151]

I know this is a topic for another thread but we've got a really tough schedule ahead and a very shaky team that's not very good, I think we draft in the 14-17 range after a 7-9 or 8-8 season.

I agree with badboy, CB in the 1st round. There is no substitute for elite level CB's, it's one of the few positions that guys usually don't get coached up to. Your either great or your not and Brandon Harris-CB from Miami will be great in the NFL. I think he could even be top 10 material and could go ahead of Patrick Peterson who I think will make a better FS in the NFL.

 

[beerlover]

I know this is a topic for another thread but we've got a really tough schedule ahead and a very shaky team that's not very good, I think we draft in the 14-17 range after a 7-9 or 8-8 season.

I agree with badboy, CB in the 1st round. There is no substitute for elite level CB's, it's one of the few positions that guys usually don't get coached up to. Your either great or your not and Brandon Harris-CB from Miami will be great in the NFL. I think he could even be top 10 material and could go ahead of Patrick Peterson who I think will make a better FS in the NFL.

this would be my ideal scenero along with Rick Smith grows a pair to trade up & draft him. I really beleive he could make immdediate impact for Texans @ Safety. One, right, bold move here could really help this defense & save Gary Kubiak & Co's job

 

[badboy]

I know this is a topic for another thread but we've got a really tough schedule ahead and a very shaky team that's not very good, I think we draft in the 14-17 range after a 7-9 or 8-8 season.

I agree with badboy, CB in the 1st round. There is no substitute for elite level CB's, it's one of the few positions that guys usually don't get coached up to. Your either great or your not and Brandon Harris-CB from Miami will be great in the NFL. I think he could even be top 10 material and could go ahead of Patrick Peterson who I think will make a better FS in the NFL.

Please note that I agreed with CB in first only if I knew we'd get Nevis in second and a DE later. My mock calls for Fairley DT in first and CB in second. I go DE in 5th with Winterswyck from Boise State. While I have a lock down corner as highest priority, I think a combo of Fairley and a cover CB like Jimmy Smith the way to go. I do not see a free safety I'd take a chance on until 4th.

 

[badboy]

I know this is a topic for another thread but we've got a really tough schedule ahead and a very shaky team that's not very good, I think we draft in the 14-17 range after a 7-9 or 8-8 season.

I agree with badboy, CB in the 1st round. There is no substitute for elite level CB's, it's one of the few positions that guys usually don't get coached up to. Your either great or your not and Brandon Harris-CB from Miami will be great in the NFL. I think he could even be top 10 material and could go ahead of Patrick Peterson who I think will make a better FS in the NFL.[/QUOTE]

this would be my ideal scenero along with Rick Smith grows a pair to trade up & draft him. I really beleive he could make immdediate impact for Texans @ Safety. One, right, bold move here could really help this defense & save Gary Kubiak & Co's job

Sorry guys, no way do I draft Peterson high first and move him to FS. He is just too good a CB. Move Quin to FS and slide P.into KJ's spot, although I like KJ better at SS. I could do that if we drafted my guy Culliver in 4th to be FS.

1. Cb Peterson (lol he will be long gone but say B.Harris)
2. DT Drake Nevis
3. QB Enderle
4. FS/CB Chris Culliver 6'1" 201 4.47 moved to corner this year; leave Quin at off CB
3.

 

[beerlover]

Sorry guys, no way do I draft Peterson high first and move him to FS. He is just too good a CB. Move Quin to FS and slide P.into KJ's spot, although I like KJ better at SS. I could do that if we drafted my guy Culliver in 4th to be FS.

1. Cb Peterson (lol he will be long gone but say B.Harris)
2. DT Drake Nevis
3. QB Enderle
4. FS/CB Chris Culliver 6'1" 201 4.47 moved to corner this year; leave Quin at off CB
3.

2 against 1

see what/when rmartin65 chimes in

 

[rmartin65]

Sorry guys, no way do I draft Peterson high first and move him to FS. He is just too good a CB. Move Quin to FS and slide P.into KJ's spot, although I like KJ better at SS. I could do that if we drafted my guy Culliver in 4th to be FS.

2 against 1

see what/when rmartin65 chimes in

Sorry badboy, I have to say Peterson has a higher ceiling at FS. 6'1", 220 lbs? FS my friend. Culliver has actually been injured, and will likely miss the rest of the season. That, coupled with the fact that he has more of a CB build, leads me away from him at FS.

EDIT: Looks like it messed up the quoting, interesting.

 

[badboy]

Sorry badboy, I have to say Peterson has a higher ceiling at FS. 6'1", 220 lbs? FS my friend. Culliver has actually been injured, and will likely miss the rest of the season. That, coupled with the fact that he has more of a CB build, leads me away from him at FS.

EDIT: Looks like it messed up the quoting, interesting.

Culliver's injury is now more serious than the bicep strain reported. I've been worried about that as I have not heard much since. As a safety before moving to corner this season I liked his body style and speed.

I am going to stay stubborn on Peterson at CB not saying he could not play FS but corner is where I'd have him. I am not a big Peterson fan as every time I watch LSU I see little of him except on returns. Anyone want to bet what position he will play in NFL?

Anyway, I had Smith convinced to trade up and pick Earl Thomas FS but Beerlover talked him out of it!! Hey BL how many INTs does he have? 4 I think? Seriously, BL I loved him too but probably would have cost us a 3 or maybe a two. And we all know how productive those picks have been this season..

 

[beerlover]

I'm being mis-quoted

funny!

A great safety will upgrade the CB's even if they are average.

 

[rmartin65]

I'm being mis-quoted

funny!

A great safety will upgrade the CB's even if they are average.

Yeah, when I was doing the multi quote it must have messed up. Or I did, I dont know. But I agree with you that Peterson has a higher ceiling as a FS than as a CB.

 

[beerlover]

Yeah, when I was doing the multi quote it must have messed up. Or I did, I dont know. But I agree with you that Peterson has a higher ceiling as a FS than as a CB.

everybody wants the next Ed Reed but don't want to spend a high pick on position. Just how much better would he single handedly improve Texans secondary? He is a playmaker, check. Great tackler, check. can blanket TE's/RB's, #2/#3 WR's & double team #1's, check. premier, elite athlete, check.

 

[steelbtexan]

Want to improve the secondary in paticular and the defense in general. Invest in your defense like this.

Sign Champ Bailey in FA. Bailey isn't as good as he used to be. But he's better than any DB currently on the roster.

Draft

Rd.1 A. Williams CB UT
Rd.2 M.Barron FS Ala
Rd.3 Jabaal Sheard DE Pitt
Rd.4 Adrian Taylor DT Okla
Rd.5 Casey Matthews LB Ore

This is about capital and how much of this capital the Texans are willing to spend to upgrade one of the worst defenses in NFL history statistically speaking.

After seeing the defense this yr. These moves to upgrade the defense would not be out of line. IMHO

MW Cody Mitchell Smith
Barwin Taylor Okoye Sheard
Anderson

Cushing Ryans Diles
Adibi Bentley Matthews

Bailey Pollard Barron A.Williams
Jackson Barron Quin Quin
Nolan

This defense would be much improved in the pass would be much improved in addition to the secondary. This would be a young fast defense who should improve as the season goes along. IMHO

This will never happen because it takes pro active thinking. Something the Texans seem to be lacking during the Smithiak regime.

 

[badboy]

everybody wants the next Ed Reed but don't want to spend a high pick on position. Just how much better would he single handedly improve Texans secondary? He is a playmaker, check. Great tackler, check. can blanket TE's/RB's, #2/#3 WR's & double team #1's, check. premier, elite athlete, check.

Ok, here's one for you; we draft Peterson to play FS, do you keep KJ and Quin as your starting CBs or attempt to draft a CB later rounds to take on the #1 WR? Example:
1.Peterson FS
2. Drake Nevis DT
3. CB?
4. DE?

 

[badboy]

Any of you guys know much about the recent FA signing on Jason Allen? I've not been able to research yet, but it appears he is a cull. Stats look ok.
http://www.houstontexans.com/team/roster/Jason-Allen/fb5b3c37-9417-4069-b3b8-4562bc23af56

 

[beerlover]

Ok, here's one for you; we draft Peterson to play FS, do you keep KJ and Quin as your starting CBs or attempt to draft a CB later rounds to take on the #1 WR? Example:
1.Peterson FS
2. Drake Nevis DT
3. CB?
4. DE?

in general terms, yes but you know the NFL is all about match-ups. meaning the Texans would have more flexability & athletic talent in secondary to apply pressure where needed. both Quinn & Kareem are physical corners, along with Pollard the Texans have three enforcers yet teams target them @ such a high rate because they can move them out of position to create mis-matches. Peterson would provide superior athletic centerfielder who can read/recognize & come in hot over the top making plays on the ball ala Ed Reed. He is a rare talent in that regard, most teams will recognize this regardless you don't generally take safetys this high in the draft but just look what Eric Berry has done for Kansas City. Interesting because Berry basicly has replaced Pollard, whereas Peterson is better coverage prospect.

Drake Nevis is also a high first round selection. I'm sick & tired plus I don't trust the Texans when it comes to DT's or CB's with out first picks. Thats bad on me, I can get behind those positions with the right one I'm just not going to spend alot of my time evaling those cats unless Texans make major changes (replace DC or switch to 3-4). Anyway going back to your question I think taking a DT or CB in second can yeild a decent enough upgrade to warrent picking one there. love to get Virginia Junior CB Chase Minnifield in second for example, think he can be as good as any first round CB's in this draft if handled correctly.

My bottome line: Texans need to add atheltic playmakers to the defense, no more mr nice guys.

 

[beerlover]

Any of you guys know much about the recent FA signing on Jason Allen? I've not been able to research yet, but it appears he is a cull. Stats look ok.
http://www.houstontexans.com/team/roster/Jason-Allen/fb5b3c37-9417-4069-b3b8-4562bc23af56

I remember him of course, thought he was an early 2nd rd. FS prospect. I would imagine he fits here right away on special teams, replacing Barber (who may have run out of time here himself). I never thought he was CB material. He has good ball skills, 4 years of experience I like him more @ FS than anyone Texans currently have on roster, but don't expect major impact right away until he has time to practice with team & learn system/expectations of role going forward.

Best case scenero is that he does become the Texans starting FS & the Texans won't feel compelled to trade up for Peterson or use a high pick in next years draft on high priority need FS.

 

[badboy]

in general terms, yes but you know the NFL is all about match-ups. meaning the Texans would have more flexability & athletic talent in secondary to apply pressure where needed. both Quinn & Kareem are physical corners, along with Pollard the Texans have three enforcers yet teams target them @ such a high rate because they can move them out of position to create mis-matches. Peterson would provide superior athletic centerfielder who can read/recognize & come in hot over the top making plays on the ball ala Ed Reed. He is a rare talent in that regard, most teams will recognize this regardless you don't generally take safetys this high in the draft but just look what Eric Berry has done for Kansas City. Interesting because Berry basicly has replaced Pollard, whereas Peterson is better coverage prospect.

Drake Nevis is also a high first round selection. I'm sick & tired plus I don't trust the Texans when it comes to DT's or CB's with out first picks. Thats bad on me, I can get behind those positions with the right one I'm just not going to spend alot of my time evaling those cats unless Texans make major changes (replace DC or switch to 3-4). Anyway going back to your question I think taking a DT or CB in second can yeild a decent enough upgrade to warrent picking one there. love to get Virginia Junior CB Chase Minnifield in second for example, think he can be as good as any first round CB's in this draft if handled correctly.

My bottome line: Texans need to add atheltic playmakers to the defense, no more mr nice guys.

If I could get a DT, shut down type CB and a FS it would be a great draft.