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2010 Safeties

76Texan said:
I would love to see Mays in place of Berry on that Tebow's run on the right sideline.

Tebow won that collision over Berry, I'd say.
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Berry may have got knocked backwards, but Tebow went straight down at the point of contact. That's all you can ask of your defender when he is outweighed by 30 pounds.

A Mays-Tebow collision would probably bring a pretty nice pop.
 
Statistical production so far:

Eric Berry -
3 tackles, 1 pass defended vs Western Kentucky
10 tackles, .5 TFL, vs UCLA
11 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 INT at Florida
7 tackles, .5 TFL vs Ohio

Morgan Burnett -
5 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 pass defended, 1 INT vs Jacksonville St
1 tackle vs Clemson
8 tackles at Miami
6 tackles, 2 INTs vs North Carolina

Taylor Mays -
6 tackles vs San Jose St
8 tackles at Ohio St
DNP (injury) at Washington
4 tackles vs Washington St

Earl Thomas -
2 passes defended vs UL Monroe
2 tackles, 1 pass defended at Wyoming
8 tackles, 1 pass defended, 1 INT vs Texas Tech
2 INTs vs UTEP
 
Statistical production so far:

Eric Berry -
3 tackles, 1 pass defended vs Western Kentucky
10 tackles, .5 TFL, vs UCLA
11 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 INT at Florida
7 tackles, .5 TFL vs Ohio
14 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass defended vs Auburn

Morgan Burnett -
5 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 pass defended, 1 INT vs Jacksonville St
1 tackle vs Clemson
8 tackles at Miami
6 tackles, 2 INTs vs North Carolina
7 tackles, 1 pass defended at Mississippi St

Taylor Mays -
6 tackles vs San Jose St
8 tackles at Ohio St
DNP (injury) at Washington
4 tackles vs Washington St
10 tackles, 1 INT at California

Earl Thomas -
2 passes defended vs UL Monroe
2 tackles, 1 pass defended at Wyoming
8 tackles, 1 pass defended, 1 INT vs Texas Tech
2 INTs vs UTEP
 
Just realized we are forgetting someone with a very bright future not only in the NFL but in life which would fit nicely here w/Texans Myron Rolle, SS, formerly FSU won/accepted Rhodes Scholarship instead of entering the 2009 N.F.L. draft. Rolle started for most of three seasons at Florida State and was considered a strong pro prospect. Instead he will head to England for a one-year master’s degree in medical anthropology. He said he would enter the 2010 draft.

It's not out of line to expect that he could deliver similar impact to the Texans safety position as Brain Cushing did for the linebackers. therefore he could be @ the top of the Texans board come next April :logo:
 
beerlover said:
Just realized we are forgetting someone with a very bright future not only in the NFL but in life which would fit nicely here w/Texans Myron Rolle, SS, formerly FSU won/accepted Rhodes Scholarship instead of entering the 2009 N.F.L. draft. Rolle started for most of three seasons at Florida State and was considered a strong pro prospect. Instead he will head to England for a one-year master’s degree in medical anthropology. He said he would enter the 2010 draft.

It's not out of line to expect that he could deliver similar impact to the Texans safety position as Brain Cushing did for the linebackers. therefore he could be @ the top of the Texans board come next April :logo:
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Nope, he was not forgotten, he is on the list. I want to know what the year off will do to him.
 
It's very difficult to project Florida State defensive backs to the pros these days. We play a man coverage scheme, because Mickey Andrews prefers to stick to archiac defenses against modernized spread schemes. I'd be surprised if we have played any zone this season. When Rolle was here he was mostly asked to play man coverage on a tight end or slot reciever. It may be the reason he didn't make a lot of plays on the ball. That goes for any safety we have had over the past 5 years.

He is great in run support and I would draft him in the 3rd round.
 
I'm not a big, big Notre Dame fan, but a sleeper this year at safety has been Kyle McCarthy. He just seems to be involved in at least one big play a game. I think he had 3 games with an an INT to start off the year and sealed the win last week on a big hit.

Listed 6'1" and 210 Lbs. If Pollard doesn't look like a long term answer at SS this year. We should give this guy a serious look.
 
TexansSeminole said:
He is great in run support and I would draft him in the 3rd round.
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The only question should be what's his impact? Immediate or developmental. let's & focus on upgrading the Safety position its long overdue. Cushing is a great example of a football player who fits the scheme Bush wants with measureables to back it up. Rolle is similar player for the position he plays. Obviously smart with ability to breakdown offenses w/measureables size/tackling fundamentals etc to have immediate impact in this D, if he works out as he should why hesitate? take him in the first :)
 
beerlover said:
The only question should be what's his impact? Immediate or developmental. let's & focus on upgrading the Safety position its long overdue. Cushing is a great example of a football player who fits the scheme Bush wants with measureables to back it up. Rolle is similar player for the position he plays. Obviously smart with ability to breakdown offenses w/measureables size/tackling fundamentals etc to have immediate impact in this D, if he works out as he should why hesitate? take him in the first :)
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Too many versatile safeties in this draft to take Rolle in the first round IMO. I wouldn't mind going safety 1st round and Rolle 3rd round.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Too many versatile safeties in this draft to take Rolle in the first round IMO. I wouldn't mind going safety 1st round and Rolle 3rd round.
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Me either

Rd1 Haden
Rd2 Hudson
Rd3 Rolle

I would be happy with this but if they took Burnett in the 1st rd that would be a good thing.
 
I think the Texans need to find a solid CB or stud S in the first round and if it were up to me I would probably go with Joe Haden in the first round and then try and grab Trevard Lindley in the second.

While I'm at it, I think we need to upgrade our C, OG, and DTs as well so I would probably got with Sergio Render (OG), Kristofer O'Dowd (C), and then DT with Tyson Alualu (Assuming that all these guys are draft eligible).

:lol: => Titans
 
Can't see him get past 2nd if not taken in 1st :spin:

NFL DRAFT SCOUT 01/28/09
Before choosing to accept a Rhodes Scholarship he won, S Myron Rolle contemplated the possible implications a year-long hiatus could have on his football career. If he were out of sight, a world away in Oxford, England, would he be out of mind? "When you're not around the college football scene and you're not able to perform on Saturdays for NFL teams to evaluate your performance," he said, "that could hurt." But Rolle's trepidation was short-lived. You see, he's got a well-thought out plan to be ready for the 2010 NFL draft. He'll continue working out in Orlando with noted trainer, Tom Shaw, until he leaves in September and then continue a regimen there, taping some of the recommendations from another Seminole standout who was in England on a Rhodes, Tampa's Garrett Johnson. He's also arranged with FSU's staff to send him game tapes, not only of his games from 2008 but of FSU's opponents in 2009 so he can study different offenses and prepare mentally as if he were lining up each Saturday. "I've never been one who has a poor work ethic or someone who doesn't want to get better every day, as coach Mickey Andrews says," said Rolle, who's busy these days making some public appearances as well as working on a book. "I'm going to stay in shape and work and train while in England so I can come to the February combine in 2010 very much in shape and I can come to impress. That's my stage to show the NFL teams that I haven't lost a step, that I'm still the athlete that I was. Hopefully I'll perform well and an NFL team looks at me as someone who can contribute to their franchise immediately." - Brian Landman, Tampa Bay Times
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I think we'll have to go CB in the first round. I think that our draft strategy next year is very dependent on whether or not Dunta returns and on his performance on the field this year. From what I've seen so far I say we put the transition tag on him, thus lowering his salary and making him easier to trade, then trade him hopefully for a 2nd round pick. He hasn't performed great this year so trading him and making all parties happy would be best. Next years draft is very short in top level talent at CB so if we're going to replace Dunta we'd better do it in the 1st round with Trevard Lindley or Joe Haden. There's no one currently on the Texans roster that's ready to step up and be a #1 CB so we'll have to look to the draft. Also next year is a very deep year at S, thus it can wait til the 2nd or 3rd round. Also there should be more juniors declaring for the draft than normal making next years draft a very deep one hopefully. Who we pick at S also depends on what you want from your Safeties. A traditional in the box SS that primarily plays the run, delivers the big hit, but is a weakness in pass coverage (Taylor Mays), or a SS/FS tweener that primarily plays pass coverage but can tackle well and would be like a second FS roaming the deep secondary (Morgan Burnett). Personally I prefer the second option and really like Morgan Burnett. If we can trade Dunta for an extra 2nd round pick then we'll be set and able to fill CB, S, and OG in the first 2 rounds. I like steelbtexans idea and draft, though I might rather have Lindley in the 1st round and Mike Johnson in the 2nd round. Does anyone know if Rolle will be invited to next years combine or not, his performance their will greatly impact his draft position moreso than any other player. There's alot of if's and maybe's to work out between now and next years draft, but I look forward to it.

1. Trevard Lindley or Joe Haden-CB.
2. Mike Johnson-OG.
3. Myron Rolle-SS.

or

1. Trevard Lindley or Joe Haden-CB.
2. Morgan Burnett, Reshad Jones, Darrel Stuckey, or Major Wright-S.
3. Sergio Render, or Rodney Hudson-OG.
 
Wolf6151 said:
I think we'll have to go CB in the first round. I think that our draft strategy next year is very dependent on whether or not Dunta returns and on his performance on the field this year. From what I've seen so far I say we put the transition tag on him, thus lowering his salary and making him easier to trade, then trade him hopefully for a 2nd round pick. He hasn't performed great this year so trading him and making all parties happy would be best. Next years draft is very short in top level talent at CB so if we're going to replace Dunta we'd better do it in the 1st round with Trevard Lindley or Joe Haden. There's no one currently on the Texans roster that's ready to step up and be a #1 CB so we'll have to look to the draft. Also next year is a very deep year at S, thus it can wait til the 2nd or 3rd round. Also there should be more juniors declaring for the draft than normal making next years draft a very deep one hopefully. Who we pick at S also depends on what you want from your Safeties. A traditional in the box SS that primarily plays the run, delivers the big hit, but is a weakness in pass coverage (Taylor Mays), or a SS/FS tweener that primarily plays pass coverage but can tackle well and would be like a second FS roaming the deep secondary (Morgan Burnett). Personally I prefer the second option and really like Morgan Burnett. If we can trade Dunta for an extra 2nd round pick then we'll be set and able to fill CB, S, and OG in the first 2 rounds. I like steelbtexans idea and draft, though I might rather have Lindley in the 1st round and Mike Johnson in the 2nd round. Does anyone know if Rolle will be invited to next years combine or not, his performance their will greatly impact his draft position moreso than any other player. There's alot of if's and maybe's to work out between now and next years draft, but I look forward to it.

1. Trevard Lindley or Joe Haden-CB.
2. Mike Johnson-OG.
3. Myron Rolle-SS.

or

1. Trevard Lindley or Joe Haden-CB.
2. Morgan Burnett, Reshad Jones, Darrel Stuckey, or Major Wright-S.
3. Sergio Render, or Rodney Hudson-OG.
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I think the Texans can salvage some of this season and get over the hump, but that will mean that they could lose out on some of the top CB's. I still like Kyle Wilson and Patrick Robinson for CB's and Earl Thomas and Morgan Burnett. I just have trouble seeing what order the Texans need CB/Safety/DT. Haden is a beast and if for some reason the Texans tank I could handle Berry or Mays =p.
 
For some reason Mays just scares the hell out of me as an NFL prospect. In USC's scheme he is like a centerfielder. Play 20 yards deep and keep everything in front of you. He delivers teeth shattering hits, but his ball skills leave a lot to be desired. His size and speed are great but to me it just seems like Berry has all of the things going on in between the ears that you would want.

Unfortunately, Berry is probably going to shoot up draft boards and keep shooting up until he's well out of reach. All I can hope is that Mays runs a ridiculous sub 4.3 40 when he works out and Al Davis gets that itch.
 
Barry Church is flying wayyy under the radar but I think he is gonna be a good one. Don't pay attn to Toledo's overall D, but this guy is very sound and should be available in the later rds of next year's draft
 
playa465 said:
Barry Church is flying wayyy under the radar but I think he is gonna be a good one. Don't pay attn to Toledo's overall D, but this guy is very sound and should be available in the later rds of next year's draft
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I like Church, actually. I just dont have him as a top ten safety. Him and Lake (Baylor) are in the next 5.
 
Statistical production so far:

Eric Berry -
Western Kentucky - 3 tackles, 1 pass defended
UCLA - 10 tackles, .5 TFL
at Florida - 11 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 INT
Ohio - 7 tackles, .5 TFL
Auburn - 14 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass defended
Georgia - 5 tackles, 2 passes defended, 1 fumble recovery

Morgan Burnett -
Jacksonville St - 5 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
Clemson - 1 tackle
at Miami - 8 tackles
North Carolina - 6 tackles, 2 INTs
at Mississippi St - 7 tackles, 1 pass defended
at Florida St - 6 tackles

Taylor Mays -
San Jose St - 6 tackles
at Ohio St - 8 tackles
at Washington - DNP (injury)
Washington St - 4 tackles
at California - 10 tackles, 1 INT

Earl Thomas -
UL Monroe - 2 passes defended
at Wyoming - 2 tackles, 1 pass defended
Texas Tech - 8 tackles, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
UTEP - 2 INTs
Colorado - 4 tackles, 1 INT, 1 TD
 
I'm pretty much driving the Earl Thomas bandwagon right now. Anybody ready to sit down next to me?

He is basically the same player that Eric Berry is minus the hit stick and tackling skills. Berry is the best guy out there, but if you want a true centerfielder Thomas is the next best guy.

He is only a redshirt sophomore so I doubt he enters the draft. But it's exciting to think how good he might be next year.
 
bah007 said:
I'm pretty much driving the Earl Thomas bandwagon right now. Anybody ready to sit down next to me?

He is basically the same player that Eric Berry is minus the hit stick and tackling skills. Berry is the best guy out there, but if you want a true centerfielder Thomas is the next best guy.

He is only a redshirt sophomore so I doubt he enters the draft. But it's exciting to think how good he might be next year.
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So you want to draft a safety that can't tackle? I admit I did a double take when I read that. Hope I am misinterpreting something.
 
badboy said:
So you want to draft a safety that can't tackle? I admit I did a double take when I read that. Hope I am misinterpreting something.
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No what I meant was that Berry has exceptional tackling skills. Thomas tackles very well, just not as good as Berry.
 
Thanks for clarifying. I'm just very tired of the way we have handled safety position. I know we need CB and at least one RB and maybe two. Do you have any info on Jerome Murphy South Florida other than basics? good size and speed. I like him in 3rd but may be gone. My 2nd choice is Kyle Wilson FS from Boise 4.42 5'10" 186. Many think Boise will start dropping games soon, but so far Wilson seems solid.
 
badboy said:
Thanks for clarifying. I'm just very tired of the way we have handled safety position. I know we need CB and at least one RB and maybe two. Do you have any info on Jerome Murphy South Florida other than basics? good size and speed. I like him in 3rd but may be gone. My 2nd choice is Kyle Wilson FS from Boise 4.42 5'10" 186. Many think Boise will start dropping games soon, but so far Wilson seems solid.
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I am a huge Kyle Wilson fan.

I don't know anything about Murphy other than that he is a three year starter. I'll have to read up on him.
 
bah007 said:
I am a huge Kyle Wilson fan.

I don't know anything about Murphy other than that he is a three year starter. I'll have to read up on him.
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Wilson is used more as a CB at Boise State and I think the Texans could get Earl Thomas in the 2nd round and go DT in the first. I love Kyle Wilson and been high on him for awhile now, but the problem is the Texans have too many needs and GQ is looking good with Reeves.
 
has anyone mentioned that Berry has played every single down since arriving at Tennessee and has never been penalized?

hmm.
 
bah007 said:
I'm pretty much driving the Earl Thomas bandwagon right now. Anybody ready to sit down next to me?

He is basically the same player that Eric Berry is minus the hit stick and tackling skills. Berry is the best guy out there, but if you want a true centerfielder Thomas is the next best guy.

He is only a redshirt sophomore so I doubt he enters the draft. But it's exciting to think how good he might be next year.
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If he did enter the draft where does he get selected? I haven't watched him much this year but I did see him a bit against OU and one play in particular he made such a sudden break on a ball it made the receiver he was covering look like he was stuck in quick sand. The stats are also eye-popping.
 
I haven't read this thread but i'm a big fan of the Hawkeyes' ballhawk Tyler Sash. 6'1" 210 and an absolute ballhawk in the secondary. He's a redshirt sophomore so he's eligible for the 2010 draft...

When do some of you draftnicks see him getting drafted if he came out this year?
 
TheRealJoker said:
I haven't read this thread but i'm a big fan of the Hawkeyes' ballhawk Tyler Sash. 6'1" 210 and an absolute ballhawk in the secondary. He's a redshirt sophomore so he's eligible for the 2010 draft...

When do some of you draftnicks see him getting drafted if he came out this year?
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Sash probably wouldn't have the combine numbers to make a big splash if he came out this year. Not that it should make a difference, but that's how it is.

He is a hell of a player. One of my favorites right now.
 
Jackie Chiles said:
If he did enter the draft where does he get selected? I haven't watched him much this year but I did see him a bit against OU and one play in particular he made such a sudden break on a ball it made the receiver he was covering look like he was stuck in quick sand. The stats are also eye-popping.
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Thomas is probably a second round guy right now. Berry and Mays are the only guys that are sure to go in the first. Thomas and Burnett are borderline first/second probably.
 
Statistical production so far:

Eric Berry -
Western Kentucky - 3 tackles, 1 pass defended
UCLA - 10 tackles, .5 TFL
at Florida - 11 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 INT
Ohio - 7 tackles, .5 TFL
Auburn - 14 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass defended
Georgia - 5 tackles, 2 passes defended, 1 fumble recovery

Morgan Burnett -
Jacksonville St - 5 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
Clemson - 1 tackle
at Miami - 8 tackles
North Carolina - 6 tackles, 2 INTs
at Mississippi St - 7 tackles, 1 pass defended
at Florida St - 6 tackles
Virginia Tech - 4 tackles, 1 pass defended, 1 INT

Taylor Mays -
San Jose St - 6 tackles
at Ohio St - 8 tackles
at Washington - DNP (injury)
Washington St - 4 tackles
at California - 10 tackles, 1 INT
at Notre Dame - 10 tackles

Earl Thomas -
UL Monroe - 2 passes defended
at Wyoming - 2 tackles, 1 pass defended
Texas Tech - 8 tackles, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
UTEP - 2 INTs
Colorado - 4 tackles, 1 INT, 1 TD
vs Oklahoma - 7 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 FF, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
 
bah007 said:
I'm pretty much driving the Earl Thomas bandwagon right now. Anybody ready to sit down next to me?

He is basically the same player that Eric Berry is minus the hit stick and tackling skills. Berry is the best guy out there, but if you want a true centerfielder Thomas is the next best guy.

He is only a redshirt sophomore so I doubt he enters the draft. But it's exciting to think how good he might be next year.
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I am with you. Thomas would not be a first round pick if he comes out, probably more like the third round. If the Texans could get Earl Thomas in the third, that would be a fantastic pickup.
 
LonerATO said:
I think the Texans can salvage some of this season and get over the hump, but that will mean that they could lose out on some of the top CB's. I still like Kyle Wilson and Patrick Robinson for CB's and Earl Thomas and Morgan Burnett. I just have trouble seeing what order the Texans need CB/Safety/DT. Haden is a beast and if for some reason the Texans tank I could handle Berry or Mays =p.
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I have Kyle Wilson as my back up at round 3 behind Jerome Murphy of S. FLorida. Either should be a good pick. Both have good size and speed.
 
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LonerATO said:
Wilson is used more as a CB at Boise State and I think the Texans could get Earl Thomas in the 2nd round and go DT in the first. I love Kyle Wilson and been high on him for awhile now, but the problem is the Texans have too many needs and GQ is looking good with Reeves.
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We need to get a power back no later than round 2. Their are only two so far that interest me. CB can be addressed in 3rd as very deep pool. If Texans sign or franchise DR and Quinn continues his growth, we might not need to draft a CB until very late if at all.
 
TheRealJoker said:
I haven't read this thread but i'm a big fan of the Hawkeyes' ballhawk Tyler Sash. 6'1" 210 and an absolute ballhawk in the secondary. He's a redshirt sophomore so he's eligible for the 2010 draft...

When do some of you draftnicks see him getting drafted if he came out this year?
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He is not ranked in top ten by NFLDRAFTSCOUT.com and probably needs to continue his heroics. It would help if Iowa could go undefeated and get him some exposure. Could not find his 40 speed but he seems to be all over the field. I'd guess late day two pick as safety is very deep this year.
 
badboy said:
We need to get a power back no later than round 2. Their are only two so far that interest me. CB can be addressed in 3rd as very deep pool. If Texans sign or franchise DR and Quinn continues his growth, we might not need to draft a CB until very late if at all.
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We have drafted enough late round type of corners. If we draft a corner it needs to be a guy who can start almost immediately. So, 1st or 2nd round. If we get rid of DRob, which I think is possible as he is the worst player that's asking to get paid a lot on this team (worse than OD and Meco), than we need to do something about corner. I don't really see Reeves as a #1 corner. It's not a knock on him, I actually like Reeves, but I am not real comfortable sticking him on the Reggie Wayne's of the league. So if we drop DRob, we might need to go corner 1st round or do something significant in free agency.

Bah, I like Thomas a lot. Saw him play 3 times this year and he has great footwork when the ball is in the air. Right now my favorite realistic safeties are Burnett as a SS and Thomas as a FS.
 
TexansSeminole said:
We have drafted enough late round type of corners. If we draft a corner it needs to be a guy who can start almost immediately. So, 1st or 2nd round. If we get rid of DRob, which I think is possible as he is the worst player that's asking to get paid a lot on this team (worse than OD and Meco), than we need to do something about corner. I don't really see Reeves as a #1 corner. It's not a knock on him, I actually like Reeves, but I am not real comfortable sticking him on the Reggie Wayne's of the league. So if we drop DRob, we might need to go corner 1st round or do something significant in free agency.

Bah, I like Thomas a lot. Saw him play 3 times this year and he has great footwork when the ball is in the air. Right now my favorite realistic safeties are Burnett as a SS and Thomas as a FS.
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Understand your position but disagree on CB. Quinn is a good example as a 4th rounder who may be a starter next year. If DR was not $10million he might beat DR out during this season. Also, I am concerned the the prime CBs will be gone by the time we select in 1st anyway. Reeves has been playing very well so far and I'm ok with him. If we can get a prime CB in first where we end up selecting and still in get a PWR back in 2nd and a FS in 3rd, I'll be happy.
 
badboy said:
We need to get a power back no later than round 2. Their are only two so far that interest me. CB can be addressed in 3rd as very deep pool. If Texans sign or franchise DR and Quinn continues his growth, we might not need to draft a CB until very late if at all.
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I disagree power RB is not a high priority and they can be had in the later rounds. I don't understand using a high draft pick on a guy that will only get the ball maybe 5-10 times per game and only gain 20 yds. per game. Next years draft position is all dependent on whether or not Dunta returns next year. Right about now I'm guessing Dunta is wishing he had signed that 23 mil. offer that he turned down cause he's sure not playing like a top 5 CB in the NFL. At the end of the season I think we should lower the offer to him, he'll probably be insulted and refuse, and we can either let him walk or put a transition tag on him significantly reducing his salary and then either keep or trade him. The lower salary would make him much easier to trade and get something in return, hopefully a 2nd round pick. If Dunta stays we can pick a FS in the 1st round and if he goes we can pick CB in the 1st round, hopefully Joe Haden, and then FS in the 2nd round. I also think we should address DT in FA and not the draft, our history of picking DT's in the draft sucks.

In the 2nd round I'd look for Nate Allen, Darrel Stuckey, Myron Lewis, Major Wright, or possibly Morgan Burnett or Reshad Jones but doubtful, they'll probably be gone.
 
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Understand your position but disagree on CB. Quinn is a good example as a 4th rounder who may be a starter next year. If DR was not $10million he might beat DR out during this season. Also, I am concerned the the prime CBs will be gone by the time we select in 1st anyway. Reeves has been playing very well so far and I'm ok with him. If we can get a prime CB in first where we end up selecting and still in get a PWR back in 2nd and a FS in 3rd, I'll be happy.
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Quin was a 3rd rounder.

Without DRob, we have Reeves, Quin, Bennett, McCain, and Molden.

I don't feel real comfortable with that lineup in the AFC.

Anyway, I don't want to derail this thread. We should have a 2010 cornerbacks thread.
 
Wolf6151 said:
I disagree power RB is not a high priority and they can be had in the later rounds. I don't understand using a high draft pick on a guy that will only get the ball maybe 5-10 times per game and only gain 20 yds. per game. Next years draft position is all dependent on whether or not Dunta returns next year. Right about now I'm guessing Dunta is wishing he had signed that 23 mil. offer that he turned down cause he's sure not playing like a top 5 CB in the NFL. At the end of the season I think we should lower the offer to him, he'll probably be insulted and refuse, and we can either let him walk or put a transition tag on him significantly reducing his salary and then either keep or trade him. The lower salary would make him much easier to trade and get something in return, hopefully a 2nd round pick. If Dunta stays we can pick a FS in the 1st round and if he goes we can pick CB in the 1st round, hopefully Joe Haden, and then FS in the 2nd round. I also think we should address DT in FA and not the draft, our history of picking DT's in the draft sucks.

As corner is a prime position, Haden may be gone by the time we draft as my first round choice Taylor Mays FS may be also. I think if you look at "dire need" position + what is available in later rounds, CB is much deeper than a power back in rounds 3 & later.

In the 2nd round I'd look for Nate Allen, Darrel Stuckey, Myron Lewis, Major Wright, or possibly Morgan Burnett or Reshad Jones but doubtful, they'll probably be gone.
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Let me respectfully tell you how your thinking is messed up.:tiphat: Slaton was not drafted to get the high # of carries as he did 08 or now. Kubes wanted a power back to get 20+ plays to move the chain, get a 1st when it was 3rd and short. The power back was also to be used for inside the Red Zone to increase scoring. Our FA atttempts from Ron Dayne thru our current flop Brown has failed miserably. You don't want a half back like Steve to be pounded out of a career. It is now obvious that the Denver philosphy of taking any old RB and he will get 1,000 yards on the ground ain't working. So your POV that a power guy will only get 5- 10 plays is not correct. That may be all Brown is getting because that is all he CAN get. He is not a chain mover, that 4.0+ guy you want to move the ball and keep your defense off the field. This is why Kubes keeps insisting on "running the ball" even though we can not. I agree with you somewhat on DR but if Quinn keeps improving he may be a starter @ CB. I am hoping we can get something for Dunta but think he will probably be gone. The scenario I see happening is we have a great year, DR does not get the offer he thinks he is worth as FA and comes to Smith saying make me a reasonable deal. Whether we sign him or not is disputable. If he is light out remainder of season he could get tagged again for $13-14 million.

DT, you are probably correct about FA but if Kubes stick with the lighter guys and they seem to be working, you can forget a meaningful acquisition in FA or draft.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Quin was a 3rd rounder.

Without DRob, we have Reeves, Quin, Bennett, McCain, and Molden.

I don't feel real comfortable with that lineup in the AFC.

Anyway, I don't want to derail this thread. We should have a 2010 cornerbacks thread.
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Start a thread. I'll follow. Quinn as a 4th rounder that quite possibly could beat out DROB is my whole point. There are many CB available in later rounds but NOT power backs. If Dunta keeps improving he will be on roster next season. So you will have the same guys at top 3.
 
badboy said:
Let me respectfully tell you how your thinking is messed up.:tiphat: Slaton was not drafted to get the high # of carries as he did 08 or now. Kubes wanted a power back to get 20+ plays to move the chain, get a 1st when it was 3rd and short. The power back was also to be used for inside the Red Zone to increase scoring. Our FA atttempts from Ron Dayne thru our current flop Brown has failed miserably. You don't want a half back like Steve to be pounded out of a career. It is now obvious that the Denver philosphy of taking any old RB and he will get 1,000 yards on the ground ain't working. So your POV that a power guy will only get 5- 10 plays is not correct. That may be all Brown is getting because that is all he CAN get. He is not a chain mover, that 4.0+ guy you want to move the ball and keep your defense off the field. This is why Kubes keeps insisting on "running the ball" even though we can not. I agree with you somewhat on DR but if Quinn keeps improving he may be a starter @ CB. I am hoping we can get something for Dunta but think he will probably be gone. The scenario I see happening is we have a great year, DR does not get the offer he thinks he is worth as FA and comes to Smith saying make me a reasonable deal. Whether we sign him or not is disputable. If he is light out remainder of season he could get tagged again for $13-14 million.

DT, you are probably correct about FA but if Kubes stick with the lighter guys and they seem to be working, you can forget a meaningful acquisition in FA or draft.
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You can get great RBs late:

Gore 3rd
Jacobs and Barber 4th
Terrel Davis 6th
Michael Bush 4th
LeRon McClain 4th
Ryan Grant UDFA
Derrick Ward 7th

I would be happy pairning any of these guys with Slaton

Our problem with the running game lies squarely on the OL. Our interior OL has to improve for us to consistently run the ball better.

Our OL, DL and secondary need the most help, and I would certainly look to add another RB. IF we draft a stud early great, but if not there are plenty of diamonds in the rough that can be found later in the draft.
 
otisbean said:
You can get great RBs late:

Gore 3rd
Jacobs and Barber 4th
Terrel Davis 6th
Michael Bush 4th
LeRon McClain 4th
Ryan Grant UDFA
Derrick Ward 7th

I would be happy pairning any of these guys with Slaton

Our problem with the running game lies squarely on the OL. Our interior OL has to improve for us to consistently run the ball better.

Our OL, DL and secondary need the most help, and I would certainly look to add another RB. IF we draft a stud early great, but if not there are plenty of diamonds in the rough that can be found later in the draft.
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Correction, other teams can get RB late.
 
badboy said:
Let me respectfully tell you how your thinking is messed up.:tiphat: Slaton was not drafted to get the high # of carries as he did 08 or now. Kubes wanted a power back to get 20+ plays to move the chain, get a 1st when it was 3rd and short. The power back was also to be used for inside the Red Zone to increase scoring. Our FA atttempts from Ron Dayne thru our current flop Brown has failed miserably. You don't want a half back like Steve to be pounded out of a career. It is now obvious that the Denver philosphy of taking any old RB and he will get 1,000 yards on the ground ain't working. So your POV that a power guy will only get 5- 10 plays is not correct. That may be all Brown is getting because that is all he CAN get. He is not a chain mover, that 4.0+ guy you want to move the ball and keep your defense off the field. This is why Kubes keeps insisting on "running the ball" even though we can not. I agree with you somewhat on DR but if Quinn keeps improving he may be a starter @ CB. I am hoping we can get something for Dunta but think he will probably be gone. The scenario I see happening is we have a great year, DR does not get the offer he thinks he is worth as FA and comes to Smith saying make me a reasonable deal. Whether we sign him or not is disputable. If he is light out remainder of season he could get tagged again for $13-14 million.

DT, you are probably correct about FA but if Kubes stick with the lighter guys and they seem to be working, you can forget a meaningful acquisition in FA or draft.
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Well we'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't think you have to be a power runner to be an effective RB. Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Darren Sproles, Gayle Sayers, Walter Payton, Chris Johnson, etc... all effective runners without being power RB's. Maybe we just have different definitions of power RB.

I have my doubts about Quin ever being a good #1 CB, he would need several more years of improvement before he could be considered a #1 starter. Fred Bennett looked good his rookie year as well and 2 yrs. later most folks would like to see him gone. If Dunta stays we can address FS in the 1st round, hopefully Morgan Burnett, because I think Berry and Mays will both be gone. If Dunta leaves then we'll have to address CB in the 1st round, hopefully Joe Haden, no way we can rely on a 4th round pick to advance to being a #1 starter in 1 yr..

I agree with a previous post that our running game problems are the result of a poor O-line. Our O-line is small and their run/power blocking sucks. When I watch the games there just aren't any holes for Slaton to run through. I also think that the ZBS is partially to blame. Other teams have got the cutback running style figured out and have disciplined LB's that fill the holes for the cutback.
 
Remember if they let Dunta walk the Texans will probably get a 3rd supplemental pick.

This should allow Smithiak to fill 4-5 positions of need.

In this draft a supp. 3rd is very valuable. It's a deep draft.

I just hope Smithiak doesn't waste a high pick on a developmental pick like Okoye.
 
steelbtexan said:
Remember if they let Dunta walk the Texans will probably get a 3rd supplemental pick.

This should allow Smithiak to fill 4-5 positions of need.

In this draft a supp. 3rd is very valuable. It's a deep draft.

I just hope Smithiak doesn't waste a high pick on a developmental pick like Okoye.
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Good point, I never thought of the supplemental pick if we lose Dunta. You know Smithiak will pick a developmental player somewhere and waste an early pick, they do it every year.

You know one of Kubiaks son's plays Safety for Colorado St. Univ. and he's a senior this year, we might take him high in the draft as a developmental player. Scary thought huh?
 
Do yall think Berry goes top 5? I saw his plays through internet and boy I really like him.

Can we trade up and get him? Highly doubt will happen but, what we need to give up to draft player like Berry?

Go Texans!!!
 
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