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2009 Texans Talk Member Mock Draft

bah007 said:
I would imagine that Super Mario will be doing it.

He's done a great job in this one. I see no reason to fire him.
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I talked to him about it a couple days ago and he said he didn't know if he would be up for another one. I sympathize with him seeing as how he basically ran 6-10 team's drafts because some people never made their picks.
 
WolverineFan said:
I talked to him about it a couple days ago and he said he didn't know if he would be up for another one. I sympathize with him seeing as how he basically ran 6-10 team's drafts because some people never made their picks.
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I think the combine will give me some time to recharge the batteries. I can mod the 2nd one if everyone is cool with it. Or maybe we can have a couple of mods?

Besides I have a feeling the 2nd one will go even better since we can cut the fat.


Edit: Oh and thanks for the vote of confidence. Its nice to be appreciated. :P
 
I apologize for the wait everyone, I hope it won't affect my status for the next draft!

The choice here is easy, with the 2nd round of DTs taken before me (again) not really feeling like reaching here...the uh, Indianopolis Colts select:

Sean Smith, S, Utah

Guy who is said to play CB or S, good size and speed, good depth at 2 positions....probably ends up starting when Breaky McBob goes down 12 games a year.
 
This pick was going to be a CB, DL or WR. Many DEs and DTs just went off the board and it came down to two players Robiskie and Butler. However, with Haynesworth being a question mark, the DL as a whole being in flux after next year and current return man/secondary player Chris Carr being a FA I felt compelled to go with the BPA at a need position on defense/special teams - Darius Butler. He also has the ability to take snaps at WR down the line.

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The last page or so of comments are hilarious. Panthers, babies, dancing king kongs...:spit:

In re: to Super Mario's ability to run a member mock draft... you've done an outstanding job. I know how easy it probably is to get burnt out. I hope you can take some days off to recharge and come back strong for the post-combine mock.

In re: to # of rounds. I was hoping we could make it through 3 rounds, but yall make a good point about the combine being here. No need to go all out here at the end when we'll all have a better feeling in another week. 2 rounds is a good idea.

Maybe we can all discuss players we would like to pick in the 3rd round anyways, not so much pick them but discuss them. It may help for the post-combine mock. It'd be great to get a tally of everyone's 1st and 2nd round picks + whatever picks they have left in the draft. Maybe we can have a discussion-vote of who's drafts we think went real well. I actually like most of these.
 
With 2 picks remaining, here is how the draft has gone down:

1st Round

1) Detroit Lions- Aaron Curry, LB
2) St. Louis Rams- Michael Crabtree, WR
3) Kansas City Chiefs- Eugene Monroe, OT
4) Seattle Seahawks- Malcolm Jenkins, CB
5) Cleveland Browns- Andre Smith, OT
6) Cincinnati Bengals- Michael Oher, OL
7) Oakland Raiders- Rey Maualuga, LB
8) Jacksonville Jaguars- Jason Smith, OT
9) Green Bay Packers- BJ Raji, DT
10) San Francisco 49ers- Matthew Stafford, QB
11) Buffalo Bills- Brian Orakpo, DE
12) Detroit Lions- Mark Sanchez, QB
13) Washington Redskins- Eben Britton, OT
14) New Orleans Saints- Vontae Davis, CB
15) Houston Texans- Everette Brown, DE
16) Denver Broncos- Tyson Jackson, DE
17) New York Jets- Brandon Pettigrew, TE
18) Chicago Bears- Aaron Maybin, DE
19) Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Jeremy Maclin, WR
20) San Diego Chargers- Knowshon Moreno, RB
21) Philadelphia Eagles- LeSean McCoy, RB
22) Cleveland Browns- Clint Stintim, OLB
23) New England Patriots- James Laurinaitis, LB
24) Atlanta Falcons- Brian Cushing, LB
25) Miami Dolphins- Alex Mack, C
26) Cincinnati Bengals- Peria Jerry, DT
27) Indianapolis Colts- Duke Robinson, OG
28) Philadelphia Eagles- Hakeem Nicks, WR
29) New York Giants- Chris Wells, RB
30) Tennessee Titans- Max Unger, C
31) Arizona Cardinals- Louis Delmas, FS
32) Pittsburgh Steelers- William Beatty, OT

2nd Round

33) Denver Broncos- Clay Matthews, LB
34) Kansas City Chiefs- Lawrence Sidbury, DE
35) St. Louis Rams- Michael Johnson, DE
36) Minnesota Vikings- DJ Moore, CB
37) Seattle Seahawks- Derrius Heyward-Bay, WR
38) Baltimore Ravens- Alphonso Smith, CB
39) Jacksonville Jaguars- Percy Harvin, WR/RB
40) Oakland Raiders- Phil Loadholt, OT
41) Green Bay Packers- Larry English, OLB
42) Buffalo Bills- Eric Wood, C
43) San Francisco 49ers- Herman Johnson, OG
44) Miami Dolphins- Rashad Johnson, S
45) New York Giants- Kenny Britt, WR
46) Houston Texans- Patrick Chung, SS
47) New England Patriots- Coye Francies, CB
48) San Diego Chargers- Ron Brace, DT
49) Chicago Bears- Josh Freeman, QB
50) Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Evander Hood, DT
51) Dallas Cowboys- Jarron Gilbert, DT/DE
52) Philadelphia Eagles- Jarad Cook, TE
53) New York Jets- Paul Kruger, DE
54) Minnesota Vikings- Rhett Bomar, QB
55) Atlanta Falcons- Fili Moala, DT
56) Miami Dolphins- Connor Barwin, DE/OLB
57) Baltimore Ravens- Juaquin Iglesias, WR
58) New England Patriots- William Moore, S
59) Carolina Panthers- Robert Ayers, DE
60) New York Giants- Tyrone McKenzie, OLB
61) Indianapolis Colts- Sean Smith, S
62) Tennessee Titans- Darius Butler, CB
63) Arizona Cardinals-
64) Pittsburgh Steelers-
 
Beat me to it...

That's all but the last two picks. My favorites are:Cincinnati (even though you destroyed me moving up to get Jerry), Buffalo for sure, Jacksonville was decent, Chicago, NEW ENGLAND nice, Miami, and Tennessee.

Least favorites were: Indy, NewYork Jets, Dallas even though that was a tough card to pull
 
I like how Seattle's (2nd place) turned out and really like Jacksonville's (1st place).

I'm not sold on Everrette Brown being the 4-3 DE for us, but I very well could have selected him at that spot too. Brown and Chung were excellent picks.

Remind me what happened with Baltimore.. did Cleveland or Cincinnati trade up? If so, that's a good draft with them having an extra 3rd rounder I presume?

Those players for New England should fit in perfectly, good fits for the team.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I like how Seattle's (2nd place) turned out and really like Jacksonville's (1st place).

I'm not sold on Everrette Brown being the 4-3 DE for us, but I very well could have selected him at that spot too. Brown and Chung were excellent picks.

Remind me what happened with Baltimore.. did Cleveland or Cincinnati trade up? If so, that's a good draft with them having an extra 3rd rounder I presume?

Those players for New England should fit in perfectly, good fits for the team.
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I drafted for the Jags since Ryan didnt show, so ill take props on your first place vote. :P

Cleveland (Me) traded up for Sintim and gave Minn a 4th and 6th. Cincy (imatexan) traded up for Jerry and gave Baltimore a 3rd.
 
Super Mario said:
I drafted for the Jags since Ryan didnt show, so ill take props on your first place vote. :P

Cleveland (Me) traded up for Sintim and gave Minn a 4th and 6th. Cincy (imatexan) traded up for Jerry and gave Baltimore a 3rd.
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Gotcha. Well, dang- nice selections for a team you weren't supposed to pick for!!
 
With the 63rd pick the Arizona Cardinals select Shonn Greene, RB from Iowa.

This is great value right here, IMO. I really thought that Greene would be long gone by now. I was originally going to trade up to get him, but he somehow fell to me all the way at the bottom of the 2nd round.

After taking a DB in the 1st I knew that I would need a RB in the 2nd round. Edge has 1 year left with the Cards maximum and Hightower & Arrington are not feature backs. With Greene the Cardinals now have a power RB who will move the pile on the goalline and who can carry the load at RB.

Even though I drafted late in this draft, #31, I am still very pleased with the results for the draft.

1st - Louis Delmas, FS
2nd - Shonn Greene, RB
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Remind me what happened with Baltimore.. did Cleveland or Cincinnati trade up? If so, that's a good draft with them having an extra 3rd rounder I presume?
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I traded #26 overall and a late 4th rounder for a top 6 2nd round pick and a top 6 3rd round pick.

Which gave me two 2nd rounders and two 3rd rounders, one early and one late in both rounds.

Used two 2nd rounders on Alphonso Smith and Juaquin Iglesias. Would have targeted Victor Harris, CB VTech and Brian Robiskie, WR Ohio State in that order in the 3rd round.

I feel like I could have come up with Victor Harris with my first 3rd round pick which is the 6th in the 3rd round. That would have given the Ravens two corners for the future, hopefully anyway.
 
D-Rek missed his first round pick, and hasnt been on here for 3 weeks the system says.

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The Pittsburgh Steelers Select: Chase Coffman, TE, Missouri
 
This concludes the 2009 pre combine 2 round mock draft.

What did you like?

What did you dislike?

Who are you surprised to still see on the board?

Who went to early?
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Maybe we can all discuss players we would like to pick in the 3rd round anyways, not so much pick them but discuss them. It may help for the post-combine mock. It'd be great to get a tally of everyone's 1st and 2nd round picks + whatever picks they have left in the draft. Maybe we can have a discussion-vote of who's drafts we think went real well. I actually like most of these.
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I personally am surprised Victor "Macho" Harris, CB Virginia Tech is still around. He is my #1 player on my board going into the 3rd round. He is a great all-around corner who may be more talented than Brandon Flowers of a year ago, who went at the top of the 2nd round.

Harris was also used alot on offense as VTech's receivers were almost all freshman last year outside of their TE Boone, who is also a very versatile player.
 
Super Mario said:
Ok. We can change it no problem?

What do you think about a big boy DE like Kyle Moore?

Or maybe Jonathan Luigs?
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I actually don't have any problem with the Coffman pick, I was just pointing out what it means for the team.

It's doubtful they would keep both Spaeth and Coffman however, so it may mean that the Steelers would cut Spaeth.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I personally am surprised Victor "Macho" Harris, CB Virginia Tech is still around. He is my #1 player on my board going into the 3rd round. He is a great all-around corner who may be more talented than Brandon Flowers of a year ago, who went at the top of the 2nd round.

Harris was also used alot on offense as VTech's receivers were almost all freshman last year outside of their TE Boone, who is also a very versatile player.
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The reason Harris is still on the board, IMO, is because the CB class is so deep this year. With guys like Jenkings, Davis, Moore, etc. it is going to be really hard for Harris to climb up the draft boards.
 
I thought a lot of people had some pretty solid drafts...

Detroit Lions
Jacksonville Jaguars
Green Bay Packers
Chicago Bears
New York Giants
Baltimore Ravens
Arizona Cardinals

Players that are still on the board that is a little surprising...

Victor Harris (Previously mentioned)
Derrick Williams (He's up there with the good wideouts)
Nate Davis (Davis > Bomar IMO)
 
TexansSeminole said:
I traded #26 overall and a late 4th rounder for a top 6 2nd round pick and a top 6 3rd round pick.

Which gave me two 2nd rounders and two 3rd rounders, one early and one late in both rounds.

Used two 2nd rounders on Alphonso Smith and Juaquin Iglesias. Would have targeted Victor Harris, CB VTech and Brian Robiskie, WR Ohio State in that order in the 3rd round.

I feel like I could have come up with Victor Harris with my first 3rd round pick which is the 6th in the 3rd round. That would have given the Ravens two corners for the future, hopefully anyway.
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You can forget Robiskie because if he is there when the Bears select he is coming off the boards. Either that or a Guard.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
If the Lions drafted a QB with their 2nd pick instead of the 1st overall , would it save money ?
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Technically yes. The QB they drafted @ #20 would be making 1/4 the amount of money as a QB picked #1, but whoever they chose with the #1 pick would be making some serious buck.

These days it doesn't really matter what position you play. If you go #1 you're going to get a ridiculous contract.
 
I've been thinking about the Detroit question for a few days actually. The QB position carries a premium than most other positions. Financially, I think they would save more money by drafting QB #1 and then LT #20. The savings may be nominal and definitely not worth playing around with when trying to build a team.
 
For Denver, I was targeting Terrence Taylor, NT from Michigan for my 3rd round pick. If he wasn't available I would try to find a good safety for them. There's no secret I was targeting 3-4 players in the front 7. Got the End and a LB. They need a NT which I thought Taylor could be groomed for. Outside of Raji I wasn't sure of one that could start right away. Dangerous having 66.7% of your DL as rookies anyways.

If Donald Brown was available, I'd take him in a heartbeat. I'm infatuated with that guy's play. I think I value him more than most other people though. Denver has had a slew of RB injuries and no real leader. Hillis is agreat option (great FB) b/c he's versatile and the new HC seems to like that. Having Hillis and Brown back there would make their offense unstoppable.
 
I would have gone TE or S for the Bills in round three. They have critical needs at DE and C, and I got Orakpo and Eric Wood without having to do any trading or losing picks.... so if there would have been a good S or TE prospect in the 3rd that wasn't a huge reach, I would have gone that way.
 
With a big bad offensive lineman, and a new pass rusher I would have gone RB for the Browns in round 3. With Donald Brown, Andre Brown, Javon Ringer, James Davis, Jeremiah Johnson available, one would have slid to me.
 
In the third I would have taken Mike Mickens CB Cincinnati. S. Brown is 30 and J. Hanson is a nickle, not a starter. Mickens would sit and be coached up. Cincinnati is well scouted by the Eagles, giving them both Trent Cole and Celek with lower picks. Mickens is the leading intercpter in school history. A good spot to take him.

If Mickens was off the board I would have gone Tony Fiammetta FB Syracuse. A round or so too high,but in a 3 round draft you have to get someone who would help. The Eagles have no FB and that is a big problem in the short yardage game. They will take a FB in the draft somewhere this year.
 
Mari-OWNED! said:
Nate Davis (Davis > Bomar IMO)
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I went with Bomar because I think had he stayed at Oklahoma he would be a 1st round pick. He has pro size, and a pro arm.

Davis also played in the spread offense, and I have heard rumors of a learning disability. I do not know if that is official though.

Bomar felt like he had more potential.
 
rmartin65 said:
I went with Bomar because I think had he stayed at Oklahoma he would be a 1st round pick. He has pro size, and a pro arm.

Davis also played in the spread offense, and I have heard rumors of a learning disability. I do not know if that is official though.

Bomar felt like he had more potential.
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I've seen this three or four times on this board this year written about Ball St. I don't know where y'all get it because I haven't seen it said anywhere else but here. It's not true. They run a pro style offense and probably about 70% (my estimate after having watched some of their games) of their plays come out of variations of the "I" formation. Just because a team gets back in the gun to pass occasionally doesn't mean they designed their offense around that formation.

Now, I have heard that he is not the brightest guy in the world, but I don't know about any learning disabilities.
 
bah007 said:
I've seen this three or four times on this board this year written about Ball St. I don't know where y'all get it because I haven't seen it said anywhere else but here. It's not true. They run a pro style offense and probably about 70% (my estimate after having watched some of their games) of their plays come out of variations of the "I" formation. Just because a team gets back in the gun to pass occasionally doesn't mean they designed their offense around that formation.

Now, I have heard that he is not the brightest guy in the world, but I don't know about any learning disabilities.
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I only watched one game of theirs, but it was probably 70% spread. So I dont know. The learning disability part came from NFLDraftScout
 
bah007 said:
I've seen this three or four times on this board this year written about Ball St. I don't know where y'all get it because I haven't seen it said anywhere else but here. It's not true. They run a pro style offense and probably about 70% (my estimate after having watched some of their games) of their plays come out of variations of the "I" formation. Just because a team gets back in the gun to pass occasionally doesn't mean they designed their offense around that formation.

Now, I have heard that he is not the brightest guy in the world, but I don't know about any learning disabilities.
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He does have a learning disability.
 
WolverineFan said:
The reason Harris is still on the board, IMO, is because the CB class is so deep this year. With guys like Jenkings, Davis, Moore, etc. it is going to be really hard for Harris to climb up the draft boards.
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Harris is underrated IMO. The guy is a playmaker.
 
Looking back I really like the

Pats (William Moore, Coye Fancies, James Laurinaitis)
Jags (Jason Smith, Percy Harvin)
Bills (Brian Orakpo, Eric Wood)
Seattle (Malcom Jenkins, DHB)
49ers simply because they got a franchise QB at #10.

The Pack had a good couple of picks as well.
 
I like:

Seattle (first place IMO)
Green Bay (changing to 3-4. Got both their DT & OLB)
Jacksonville (Smith & Harvin could go sooner)
Buffalo (Orakpo & Wood are good picks)
Tampa Bay (Hood fits their defense & Maclin is a good pick for them)
Arizona (Delmas is the best safety & Greene is a good pick late 2nd)
Houston (I like both the Brown & Chung picks)

My only real dislike is the Jets, having picked a TE in the first last year.

Of course I won’t rank San Diego’s draft, but how does everyone else like it?
 
JCTexan said:
Of course I won’t rank San Diego’s draft, but how does everyone else like it?
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I think you did a fine job of trading down and getting SD a 2nd round pick since they dont have one to start with. I think it would have been better to go defense with first pick since Sproles got tagged, but I cant remember if that happened first or not.

I have a feeling the 2nd mock will have SD taking a linebacker.
 
Super Mario said:
The combine will be done this week and free agency starts soon. I think we can all agree that once the big name FA's are gone we can start forming the mock draft.
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We might want to go ahead and pick teams so we have plenty of time researching their strengths and weaknesses and possible prospects for them. And watch their free agency moves. (ie get familiar with the teams so people aren't just copying other mocks out on the internet)

These mocks (especially "GM" type mocks) are fun for me because you get to learn so much more about a certain team. I enjoyed learning a lot about the Broncos. I'd like to do a different team next time if possible.
 
Super Mario said:
I think you did a fine job of trading down and getting SD a 2nd round pick since they dont have one to start with. I think it would have been better to go defense with first pick since Sproles got tagged, but I cant remember if that happened first or not.

I have a feeling the 2nd mock will have SD taking a linebacker.
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Sproles got tagged after I made the pick. I wouldn't have taken Moreno if I knew before the pick. I agree I probably should have taken a linebacker in this one... Both Cushing and Sintim would be good picks for SD.
 
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