2009 NFL Draft Thread

[The Pencil Neck]

Why not draft Rahshad Jennings and then pick up a db like this after the draft? They must be after either Frank Summers, Chris Ogbonnaya or Kyle Bell and think that one will be there in the 7th or as a free agent.

Summers has already been drafted.

Rashad Jennings and these other RB's are falling for a reason. We just don't know what it is. There's something the FO's of all the teams don't like.

 

[Mike Kerns]

At this rate, I wouldnt be shocked if Jennings goes UFA.

 

[Goatcheese]

I don't even know what to say about the second day of this draft.

Whatever.

 

[bckey]

Summers has already been drafted.

Rashad Jennings and these other RB's are falling for a reason. We just don't know what it is. There's something the FO's of all the teams don't like.

Yep and guess who got Summers. The friggin Steelers. They made it clear before the draft that they wanted this guy.

 

[HoustonFrog]

Alot of Frogs going in the 6th.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Summers has already been drafted.

Rashad Jennings and these other RB's are falling for a reason. We just don't know what it is. There's something the FO's of all the teams don't like.

Yep ... these RB's are falling for a reason . Besides you can't teach 4.3 speed .

 

[Ole Miss Texan]

Keep in mind we might take a player this late (particularly the 7th round) because then he's on your team... you're sure of it. If he goes undrafted, there are 31 other teams that he may sign with and your chance of getting that particularly player is much less.

 

[bckey]

Yep ... these RB's are falling for a reason . Besides you can't teach 4.3 speed .

Yes speed is the reason we took Brice. It could wind up being a steal if he can return kicks like whats his name in Chicago.

 

[LonerATO]

Safety at USC. Projected to be a LB in the NFL. A project, I think.

He was a bad ass Safety at USC, just happened to be injured while he was there. On a side not I would have rather had Brandon Gibson instead of McCain

 

[mussop]

Yep ... these RB's are falling for a reason . Besides you can't teach 4.3 speed .

Yeh but at 5'8" 180 what good is it?

 

[Maddict5]

jennings had some character concerns. these must be alot more serious than reported

 

[The Pencil Neck]

At this rate, I wouldnt be shocked if Jennings goes UFA.

I'm starting to think he's been sleeping with Goodell's daughter or something and none of the teams want to chance his wrath.

Or something.

 

[Xcellerator]

James Davis is gone... :/

 

[kastofsna]

Yeh but at 5'8" 180 what good is it?

there's countless examples of short players who have had great careers in the NFL. really no reason to bring them up, everyone knows who they are.

this guy's a 6th round choice. it's hardly a gamble considering his speed and athleticism

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Well, Mayock and Casserly really like our draft, at least.

 

[Blake]

I am still eyeing RB. If Jennings is gone then Ogbonnaya does everything that the Texans need.

But the Texans are probably eyeing a QB.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Yeh but at 5'8" 180 what good is it?

Replace Petey .

 

[Mike Kerns]

Well, Mayock and Casserly really like our draft, at least.

Really? What'd they say?

 

[Texan JBZ]

The Rashad Jennings freefall continues. This guy must have some serious red flags surrounding him to still be available. James Davis and Aaron Brown drafted before Jennings? Something has to be going on with him that we don't know about.

 

[Texan4Ever]

Really? What'd they say?

Casserly says that adding Barwin gives us another pass-rushing threat and Cushing improves our D overall and as well as our DB. The dud with the glasses at the right end of the table mentioned that CB we got from New Mexico and said he has the talent to play S or CB. Overall, they were impressed especially with our two TEs we got.

 

[Marcus]

Yeh but at 5'8" 180 what good is it?

How many times have you seen a player take a kickoff return to the house without being touched? I've seen it more times than I can count every season.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Really? What'd they say?

Casserly really likes Cushing and Barwin.

Mayock really liked the Glover pick. He thinks he's really good. He also likes our two TE picks.

I'm sure we'll be able to watch it on NFL.com at some point.

 

[keyser]

Why not draft Rahshad Jennings and then pick up a db like this after the draft? They must be after either Frank Summers, Chris Ogbonnaya or Kyle Bell and think that one will be there in the 7th or as a free agent.

Although many here (myself included) have been pushing Jennings, they obviously don't think of him very highly. They've had good chances in the last two rounds to grab a RB, and have chosen to pass. For that matter, so has every other team (though a few other RBs have started being taken recently).

I am still shocked - I thought RB was their biggest area of need this draft (not that they needed to spend a 1st, but it's a position they needed to pick up someone for). They must have other plans.

Honestly, at this point in the draft, anyone you draft is probably about the same as who you can get as a UDFA. It's not like we're missing anything major by "missing" a particular player at this point. This is just a time to let the team make sure they can lock up a particular player or two that they'd have to compete for signing as a UDFA.

 

[Wolf]

stryker is a cool name for a football player (would have been better in boxing/mma) but like the name LOL

 

[Ryan]

Javorskie Lane anybody? Just don't flame me to pieces.

 

[Dan B.]

Javorskie Lane anybody? Just don't flame me to pieces.

God no. We tried Ron Dayne. It didn't work out.

I don't want either of the big Texas school RB's.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

I am still shocked - I thought RB was their biggest area of need this draft (not that they needed to spend a 1st, but it's a position they needed to pick up someone for). They must have other plans.

I didn't think that RB was the biggest area of need by a long shot.

I thought our areas of need were:

1. Stopping the run
2. Improving the pass rush
3. Red Zone offense
4. Backup RB
5. Back end pass defense


You could argue that #3 implies getting a RB, but I think that Slaton is fine in the RZ as long as you create a seam for him. With Caldwell and Hill, I think those two picks address that need.

I think they apparently had #5 rated higher than I did.

And I don't think they like these RBs.

 

[mussop]

Javorskie Lane anybody? Just don't flame me to pieces.

We just signed a DT in FA.

 

[TexansSeminole]

To those saying he is a KR, his stats are not impressive at all.

I have to agree. Not impressive kick return stats AT ALL.

 

[mussop]

I didn't think that RB was the biggest area of need by a long shot.

I thought our areas of need were:

1. Stopping the run
2. Improving the pass rush
3. Red Zone offense
4. Backup RB
5. Back end pass defense


You could argue that #3 implies getting a RB, but I think that Slaton is fine in the RZ as long as you create a seam for him. With Caldwell and Hill, I think those two picks address that need.

I think they apparently had #5 rated higher than I did.

And I don't think they like these RBs.

This really is a good way to approach the draft.

 

[TexansSeminole]

I didn't think that RB was the biggest area of need by a long shot.

I thought our areas of need were:

1. Stopping the run
2. Improving the pass rush
3. Red Zone offense
4. Backup RB
5. Back end pass defense


You could argue that #3 implies getting a RB, but I think that Slaton is fine in the RZ as long as you create a seam for him. With Caldwell and Hill, I think those two picks address that need.

I think they apparently had #5 rated higher than I did.

And I don't think they like these RBs.

People seem to be forgetting that football players get injured, especially RBs. If Slaton goes down we are f'd. You can spin it any way you would like, but we are f'd. We have nobody to backup Slaton except Chris Brown.

Chris Brown guys. Do you really not see anything wrong with this?

 

[Ole Miss Texan]

I thought our areas of need were:

1. Stopping the run
2. Improving the pass rush
3. Red Zone offense
4. Backup RB
5. Back end pass defense

This really is a good way to approach the draft.

Nice way to look at it PN and I agree with mussop too. Instead of saying, "we need position x to get better in the redzone" you ask "how can we improve in the red zone". Players like Caldwell and Hill can do that...

 

[Pantherstang84]

lol at the Stump The Truck game on NFLN.

 

[TexansSeminole]

It's not just goal-line RB we need. We need a guy to spell Slaton and back him up when/if he gets injured. Right now the only guy we have that can do that is oft injured Chris Brown, who is again coming off of an injury.

 

[keyser]

I didn't think that RB was the biggest area of need by a long shot.

I thought our areas of need were:

1. Stopping the run
2. Improving the pass rush
3. Red Zone offense
4. Backup RB
5. Back end pass defense


You could argue that #3 implies getting a RB, but I think that Slaton is fine in the RZ as long as you create a seam for him. With Caldwell and Hill, I think those two picks address that need.

I think they apparently had #5 rated higher than I did.

And I don't think they like these RBs.

I put RB (backup) that high because there's no way we can count on Slaton to take every snap, and the only backup we have now is Chris Brown (coming off a season-long injury) and Moats. Unless I'm totally forgetting someone, that's it. I don't see any way that that is acceptable for going into training camp, and it's unlikely they'd want to go into the season with that. It's not that this is the area that's going to improve the team the most, but it's an area where it's clear that what they currently have won't be sufficient. They must have some other plans, because there's no way they can go on in their current state.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

People seem to be forgetting that football players get injured, especially RBs. If Slaton goes down we are f'd. You can spin it any way you would like, but we are f'd. We have nobody to backup Slaton except Chris Brown.

Chris Brown guys. Do you really not see anything wrong with this?

I don't see Chris Brown as the main backup for Slaton, I see MOATS as the main backup. And I don't think Moats is nearly as bad as some of you guys seem to think. He did good work filling in for Slaton last year.

The biggest point from this draft, I think, is that our FO doesn't think any of these RB's are worth spending a draft pick on. Several of us, myself included, would have been taking Rashad Jennings in the 3rd round. How's that looking right now? Like a bit of a reach, maybe?

 

[The Pencil Neck]

It's not just goal-line RB we need. We need a guy to spell Slaton and back him up when/if he gets injured. Right now the only guy we have that can do that is oft injured Chris Brown, who is again coming off of an injury.

I think you're absolutely wrong in your assessment.

Chris Brown is the 3rd stringer.

 

[Goatcheese]

People seem to be forgetting that football players get injured, especially RBs. If Slaton goes down we are f'd. You can spin it any way you would like, but we are f'd. We have nobody to backup Slaton except Chris Brown.

Chris Brown guys. Do you really not see anything wrong with this?

Slaton will go down with injury and we'll be forced to throw 60 times a game. How long do people think Schaub will survive that? Then we'll get to see Orlovsky throw 60 times a game. Now that's a winning formula.

 

[Wolf]

People seem to be forgetting that football players get injured, especially RBs. If Slaton goes down we are f'd. You can spin it any way you would like, but we are f'd. We have nobody to backup Slaton except Chris Brown.

Chris Brown guys. Do you really not see anything wrong with this?

I am not really worried, because of UDFA, FA, june 1st cuts.. worse comes to worse Denver is changing philosophies and who knows.. IF Slaton goes down, it will be a big blow to the Texans, but I think we could still make it work and cross that bridge if it happens

 

[gtexan02]

Im pretty surprised at the draft so far. It seem slike Kubiak/Smith are only gonig for versatile, blue collar guys. At some point, it'd be nice to have a guy who actually excels at one thing in particular.

 

[TexansSeminole]

I think you're absolutely wrong in your assessment.

Chris Brown is the 3rd stringer.

Moats as our 2nd string RB is even worse. 26 carries last year for 94 yards and a TD last year.

I'm not sure I understand the optimism concerning Moats or our RB situation. He did good filling in for Slaton last year? With 3.6 yards a carry? What's bad to you? He was average at best with only 26 carries. I'm not excited about seeing his carries increased, I would rather them be decreased.

Spin it whichever way you want, but we are really going to have to make a move at a RB if we expect to have an insurance policy for Slaton. Brown, who gets injured on a yearly basis, and Moats are not going to cut it.

 

[mussop]

Dammit Vance Walker just got taken by Atlanta. I really thought he would be a good value pick that fit our penetrating defense.

 

[Blake]

There goes Chris Ogbonnaya...

 

[mussop]

Chris Ogbonnaya (RB) Texas is gone.

 

[rmartin65]

2 RB's taken. Are we seeing a run on them? I am just hoping we strike gold in UDFA. There must be some people they like.

 

[Wolf]

might have a small run on RB now

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Moats as our 2nd string RB is even worse. 26 carries last year for 94 yards and a TD last year.

I'm not sure I understand the optimism concerning Moats or our RB situation. He did good filling in for Slaton last year? With 3.6 yards a carry? What's bad to you? He was average at best.

Spin it whichever way you want, but we are really going to have to make a move at a RB if we expect to have an insurance policy for Slaton. Brown, who gets injured on a yearly basis, and Moats are not going to cut it.

Do you really think we're NOT going to make a move? Denver's going to dump all their ZBS running backs. Guys are going to be released from other teams. There are going to be lots of guys that some of us would have wasted a draft pick on that are going to be available in FA.

I do hope we get a RB here in the 7th... but the point is that there's probably going to be someone available in the 7th that most of us would have picked in the 3rd. That's the FO doing good work.

We're going to bring more RB's in to fight for the backup spot. I think that's just painfully obvious.

But... Moats is better than you're giving him credit for. Did we score against the Bears with him in there? Yep. We did. And he looked really good.

 

[gtexan02]

Heres what I don't understand. Its important for NFL teams to have an every down TE that blocks and catches passes. Its also important to have that blocking TE that can totally lock down the edge in the red zone. Two TE scheme.

Whats more important than the two TE scheme? Two RBs. NFL teams can't live with one RB any more. A TE that blocks well seems to be pretty easy to come by. They are basically failed OTs that are a little small but move well.

We don't need a backup RB. We need a tandem RB. Someone to take 10 carries a game. Maybe more. Look at the Giants. Look at the Titans. The Panthers. All top rushing teams that go by committee and have multiple 1st stringers sharing time. I just don't understand going into the season with Slaton and no one.

Aj touches the ball 10 times a game if hes lucky. Other than Slaton, no one gets the ball that much. Why take a chance with a bunch of UDFAs and released players for a position that gets a majority of our offensive production? We're going to put the ball in the hands of a guy 10 times a game and he's not even good enough for any other NFL teams to pick in a 7 round draft? Seems like a big risk to me

 

[mussop]

7 more picks till were done this is what I have left

Graham Gano P FLORIDA ST
Rashad Jennings RB LIBERTY
Jonathan Casillas OLB WISCONSIN
Zach Follett OLB CALIFORNIA
Mike Mickens CB CINCY
Ellis Lankster CB W VIRGINIA

Emanuel Cook S S CAROLINA
Chris Baker DE HAMPTON
Quan Cosby WR TEXAS
Trevor Canfield OG CINCY
Greg Isdaner OG W VIRGINIA
Lydon Murtha OT NEBRASKA
Jason Watkins OT FLORIDA

Jeremiah Johnson RB OREGON
Kory Sheets RB PURDUE
Sammie Stroughter WR OREGON ST
Marlon Lucky RB NEBRASKA

 

[TexansSeminole]

But... Moats is better than you're giving him credit for. Did we score against the Bears with him in there? Yep. We did. And he looked really good.

Is that really your argument for Moats? He ran a 2 yard TD with GREAT blocking. He did not even get touched. Watch the video of it again.

Moats looking "really good" was not something I saw last year, not even close.

I'm not upset that we didn't pick up a specific RB, I would just like to see us add a talented body in here. A guy like Peerman, Davis, or Ogbonnaya would have been nice in the 6th round, not a project CB when we just drafted a project CB last year, and look to have drafted one earlier in this draft (unless he plays FS).

It just seems to me that you fill in some needs in the 6th and 7th if you haven't yet, and we haven't. Backup RB is a big-time need for us IMO.

Wait till Slaton gets injured and Moats is the starter if we don't address this need. You'll be changing your tune real quick.