Blake
MMQB
And to add insult to injury the 49ers bring Crabtree across the bay as a constant reminder.
Keep Texans Talk Google Ad Free!
Venmo Tip Jar | Paypal Tip Jar
Thanks for your support! 🍺😎👍
2009 NFL Draft Thread
- Thread starter Texan4Ever
- Start date
And to add insult to injury the 49ers bring Crabtree across the bay as a constant reminder.
Blake
MMQB
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Dude... I didn't even make that connection!! Rep-That's awesome.
Texan4Ever
All Pro
Is it just me or does anyone notice errors being made by the "analysts" on NFL Network?
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Falcons took Moore- so I'm looking at Rashad Johnson with our 3rd. If not, maybe Rashad Jennings, Andre Brown... where's Glenn Coffee supposed to go (maybe our 4th?)
1. Briand Cushing SLB
2. Connor Barwin DE
3. Rashad Johnson FS
4. Roy Miller DT
4. Glenn Coffee RB
I could live with it!
1. Briand Cushing SLB
2. Connor Barwin DE
3. Rashad Johnson FS
4. Roy Miller DT
4. Glenn Coffee RB
I could live with it!
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
No what they are saying....when they send five it is unacceptable now that no one gets there. Y'all were all hot for bush and the Blitzing....well they just bought the guy two missiles. Two weapons he can send in several directions and in multiple d-line games. Now I'm not going to argue that Brawin is ready yet to stand up at will....I don't know..you don't know....What is a fact is he has the foot speed to cover any RB we will see out of the backfield. What we do know is they saw Sidbury up close....who would of been perfect in the roll of situational pass rusher.....and they chose Coner Barwin. He is the kind of a guy if the coaches ask him to run through a brick wall, he won't ask how far back do you want the hole coach.....he'll just go run into it and leave as big a hole as he can. I'm reading this pick as another weapon for Bush. With Belichik holding the picks they are holding.....fixing to run out of the first step guys.....they're just about gone. And I've been telling you...you're not going to out cover Manning. It's going to be nice to see the guy with dirty uni for a change. Barwin is a great pick and a great prospect......Kinda like Owen Daniels....at linebacker. He's raw.....but he moved to DE with absolutely no experience and led the conference with eleven sacks......to me it's mind boggling what he could become with a little pro coaching. And he also covers TE-H very well thank you very much. OD gets dinged....he can play it.
I'm sorry your guy(s) didn't get picked....sulk ***** and moan, then get on board. If you want the division crown.....gotta get the sack total off of twenty five....and you have to get Manning in the dirt.
Last edited:
Shaft75
All Pro
I swear some of you think we can get every prospect out there. We got two FOOTBALL players. There was no trade down in the first because the Jets traded up. A couple of teams traded their 1st next year for a freakin 2nd!!!!
I'm just upset that we haven't adressed the secondary. We have 3-7 tomorrow though.
Some of you need to chill out.
I'm just upset that we haven't adressed the secondary. We have 3-7 tomorrow though.
Some of you need to chill out.
They are just like us!
Yeah, like Mayock said Everette Brown is just a bull rusher!
Maybe he's been watching too many tapes he got confused.
I know I did all the times, LOL!
I wouldn't mind that, but another DT?
(I like Roy, don't get me wrong).
I think they fill a need with Cushing, but I still think we should have traded back for two seconds.
Texan4Ever
All Pro
Dang, the NFL Network crew must be bored or something but those big heads are funny!
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
Great point TTP.
To make the plays he did while going on gut instinct and little technique/experience.... that is some huge potential right there.
Blake
MMQB
rep!
texasguy346
Mod Squad
Good point. I'd like to see us pick up a RB in Day 2, and also maybe some secondary help. Maybe pick up Chip Vaughn to address that issue.
Blake
MMQB
I just heard Mayock say that Masaquoi was a good player out of Virgina. :P
Blake
MMQB
If you want Chip then you better hope we take him in the 3rd and take a RB in the fourth, because Chip will be bye bye.
texansdrummer
Veteran
Same here......some people are complaining about not being "wowed" by our draft, but I'm glad it's not so exciting - that means we are getting better! I don't ever want to have the "excitement" of our previous drafts!!!!!
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Threetoedpete-
Concerning our sack production from last year going forward... I really like what we did. The staff really seems like like Antonio Smith and then wants to move him inside next to Amobi on passing downs. I think Tim Bulman is going to do really well with this role as a situational pass rusher and then add in Connor Barwin. I think he's another hard working effort guy that is going to pass the rusher too. I really hope our pressures and sacks increase this year and totally think we're much better than we were last year!! Gotta get Peyton's jersey dirty more.
Concerning our sack production from last year going forward... I really like what we did. The staff really seems like like Antonio Smith and then wants to move him inside next to Amobi on passing downs. I think Tim Bulman is going to do really well with this role as a situational pass rusher and then add in Connor Barwin. I think he's another hard working effort guy that is going to pass the rusher too. I really hope our pressures and sacks increase this year and totally think we're much better than we were last year!! Gotta get Peyton's jersey dirty more.
Blake
MMQB
So who are the Texans target in rounds 3 and 4? I assume situational pass rushers like Sidbury are out of the question now with Barwin.
We need secondary help. Running back help. Interior o-line depth.
DJ Moore and Asher Allen are out there at corner. Shonn Greene and Rashad Jennings at RB. Chip Vaughn at safety. Jamon Meredith and Duke Robinson at OL.
We need secondary help. Running back help. Interior o-line depth.
DJ Moore and Asher Allen are out there at corner. Shonn Greene and Rashad Jennings at RB. Chip Vaughn at safety. Jamon Meredith and Duke Robinson at OL.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
I'm really shocked as every one else they didn't take one of the safetys on the board....I thought also there was an outside chance that they'd take Green. But after Owen Daniels in '06, I'd go slow in agonizing over the Barwin pick. They didn't throw a dart at their big board....there was a reason they did it. Agreed, Bulman played very well at the end of the year....and they still took Barwin...I'm sure we'll get the spin tomorrow.
Last edited:
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
I'm guessing they will take the best big back they can get their hands on to give Steve a ten to twelve touch rest per game My goal would to be make sure we had him at 100 % for those last two games. They've been talking up Criss again. Do you believe that one that he'll finally be healthy ?
Texan4Ever
All Pro
I like the two players we've drafted so far and I think we might pick up a safety on Day Two, if not the Texans might let our safeties play this season and then try and land Taylor Mays in next years draft.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Well said when it comes to getting guys who are "players" with attitude that like making plays. My concern with Sushing is simple. Alot of big players have busted because they all of a sudden caught the injury bug when they got here. Cushing has been hurt every year. You can say it is because he likes to play hard nosed but you also can say that he got hurt against college comp. Now he is moving up to bigger and faster guys. Seems to me that might lead to more nicks. I hope I'm wrong. So you are right when it comes to the type of guys the Texans got. But it doesn't make people bitchers or moaners because there are legit concerns.
Blake
MMQB
I think Chris Brown is done. We can move on with Slaton, Moats, and our RB this year. Maybe get a RB from another team with a low draft pick. I hear Denver is having a yard sale on their RB's.
Texan4Ever
All Pro
I want us to try and get Lawerence Sidbury as well as Greg Isander. There are some good RBs still on the board and I would love to see a Steve Slaton/Rashad Jennigs or Shon Greene combination.
spurstexanstros
Texans Rising
ok give us your scouting report on him. what plays you didnt like? etc etc...
every yr theres one guy
yeah and they are...
Jason Babin
Travis Johnson
Jabar Gafney
Jacoby Jones ...ok maybe not..one more costly fumble...
( Oh yeah... Amobi...is not safe from being a bust....he needs to produce.)
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
Initially I was down on the Cushing pick, but I've come around.
Barwin is a pick I'm loving.
I'm giving them a solid B
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
You've got to give Gaffney a pass for being thrown to by Carr surely?
brakos82
Yaters Gonna Yate.
I'd pick Michael Pittman if anyone... I liked the way he ran last season all things considered.
Texan4Ever
All Pro
And you can't blame Carr for fearing for his own life considering our offensive line?
Shaft75
All Pro
Now that's funny!
Texan4Ever
All Pro
As Texans fans we shouldn'e be complaining. I'll admit I was no fan of Mario Williams and I was hoping to draft D'Brick but look at how Mario turned out. With all the draft picks we've had we have had some busts as well as some good pros (Mario, DeMeco, OD, AJ) so not all is lost.
Even the Broncos are giving mario some cred...this is straight from one of there message boards:
Why not wait til the season starts to write McD off? Remember when everyone clowned Houston for picking Mario Williams over Bush? Now who's laughing? Houston has a probowl DE and the Saints have a guy who can't take a hit.
I can't access the Raiders message board but the CBS board has a bunch of pissed off fans as well as the Broncos who are going insane and giving up on the team before the draft is even over!
Even the Broncos are giving mario some cred...this is straight from one of there message boards:
Why not wait til the season starts to write McD off? Remember when everyone clowned Houston for picking Mario Williams over Bush? Now who's laughing? Houston has a probowl DE and the Saints have a guy who can't take a hit.
I can't access the Raiders message board but the CBS board has a bunch of pissed off fans as well as the Broncos who are going insane and giving up on the team before the draft is even over!
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I'm not sure why so many people are bringing up Mario Williams and comparing the reaction of that pick to this years. The people who didn't like the Mario pick a) didn't watch Mario in college and/or b) desperately wanted Bush or VY.
Mario was a complete beast in college.
This year is actually quite different from that year. Almost everybody has seen Cushing play, unlike Mario Williams. Cushing's negatives are that he may have maxed out and he is injury prone. Mario was a guy people thought may be "too raw", and I don't remember ever hearing about Mario being injured in college.
Two different situations completely. Mario Williams had wayyyyyy less downside than Cushing does. I'm not sure I really understand the comparisons at all to be honest.
Mario was a complete beast in college.
This year is actually quite different from that year. Almost everybody has seen Cushing play, unlike Mario Williams. Cushing's negatives are that he may have maxed out and he is injury prone. Mario was a guy people thought may be "too raw", and I don't remember ever hearing about Mario being injured in college.
Two different situations completely. Mario Williams had wayyyyyy less downside than Cushing does. I'm not sure I really understand the comparisons at all to be honest.
brakos82
Yaters Gonna Yate.
One person I know is converting from a Raider fan into a Giant fan.
brakos82
Yaters Gonna Yate.
Plus, Mario was likely to go at #2 anyways.
Rozelle
Noob
Here's a video clip on Mitchell, the guy can play. Apologize if someone has already posted this.
http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/liveblog_1/michael_mitchell_can_clobber_some_dudes/
Cushing is a risk with his durability. Love his style, but his play writes checks not sure his body can cash.
Barwin is raw, but has tremendous upside. Will take some time to develop.
http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/liveblog_1/michael_mitchell_can_clobber_some_dudes/
Cushing is a risk with his durability. Love his style, but his play writes checks not sure his body can cash.
Barwin is raw, but has tremendous upside. Will take some time to develop.
Texan4Ever
All Pro
Goatcheese
Texan
That's about what I would give them.
I was thinking C+ on the Cushing pick, untill they drafted Barwin to take the role of 3rd down pass rush specialist. That lowers Cushing's value considerably as a two down player.
D+ on Cushing
B+ on Barwin as a player, but C+ as a draft grade since it actually devalues your 1st round pick.
TexansFanatic
Extremist
That Barwin pick really gives me the creeps. That seems a lot like the Joppru pick.
Damn, today just didn't do anything for me at all.
I sure hope I'm wrong.
Damn, today just didn't do anything for me at all.
I sure hope I'm wrong.
Rozelle
Noob
He has amazing closing speed and packs a punch. Another guy who can play not many know about is Florida Atlantic LB Frantz Joseph.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
I think he ran a 4.4 at his pro day. Remember that for DB's it's not the forty time that is important. What you're seeing are his awareness, play recognition and burst. It's just like a RB's initial burst through the hole. The DB's gotta break on the ball quickly... not really run there at full speed if that makes sense.
BattleRedToro
Thread Killer
According to Frank Bush:
"The thing we like about him is his versatility, that hes a kid that understands the nickel package, he understands the regular packages and stuff. This kid can come in quite frankly and be a starting regular defense and also nickel defense.
That means Cushing is still a 3 down player. The difference is he will still be playing LB on 3rd down instead of DE as you suggest.
Shaft75
All Pro
Geez, watch some highlights of barwin or read some of what the scouts say. I thought he would go early in the second and we got him mid second. I remember when they played OU this year he was a huge standout on defense. And don't give me this "he's a project" comment. A football player is a football player. Athleticism, coachability and work ethic translates on the field.
I really like the Barwin pick. I bet someone like Belichick is pissed because he traded back and missed on him.
For me, the only reason to be upset is that Jenkins, Chung and Delmas were gone before we had the chance to pick em.
BTW, draft grades are completely useless. I have never seen an accurate grade and they are deceptive. Think about what some of these franchises had to give up to get there players.
I really like the Barwin pick. I bet someone like Belichick is pissed because he traded back and missed on him.
For me, the only reason to be upset is that Jenkins, Chung and Delmas were gone before we had the chance to pick em.
BTW, draft grades are completely useless. I have never seen an accurate grade and they are deceptive. Think about what some of these franchises had to give up to get there players.
Rozelle
Noob
Barwin has only played one season at DE. Hard to imagine him coming right in on Sundays and making an impact. I love the guy, but think fans will need to have some patience.