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2009 Member Mock (Second) Rounds 1-3

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TexansSeminole said:
Sorry I wasn't around a couple hours ago.

Unger for the Bills in round 2 is good. I like it. My Crabtree pick is kind of questionable now, but of course TO will only be around for 1 maybe 2 years in Buffalo.
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No, it's not questionable... Crabtree is a good pick at #11 regardless.
 
I think Delmas was a bad pick for the Texans. Delmas is a very good player and good value in the 2nd but he's a FS and we just resigned Eugene Wilson to a 3 yr. contract at FS. We need a SS, Patrick Chung would have been a better pick, and no he's not Oriental, he's black and considered the best SS in the draft.
 
JCTexan said:
We were already setting up a press conference welcoming Harvin to Houston... :fans:
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RJ would really be pissed with me now!

Sorry about the joke to some of you. I didn't set it up to well, so it was kind of like I punk'd everyone. I truly was joking though. Never meant to piss anyone off.:fans:
 
Wolf6151 said:
I think Delmas was a bad pick for the Texans. Delmas is a very good player and good value in the 2nd but he's a FS and we just resigned Eugene Wilson to a 3 yr. contract at FS. We need a SS, Patrick Chung would have been a better pick, and no he's not Oriental, he's black and considered the best SS in the draft.
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The Texans dont have a true SS or FS though. Delmas was certainly the bdpa at the spot. Chung, though, was on my radar but my mind was still deadset on Harvin--- I mean Delmas. I just don't have much confidence in Barber and think there is no way he goes into this season as the starter. We also need to get younger and get more depth at S.
 
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47.) New England Patriots Select: rmartin65

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49.) Chicago Bears Select: jgl35

50.) Cleveland Browns (f/TB) Select: HOU-TEX

51.) Dallas Cowboys Select: Honoring Earl 34
 
Shaft75 said:
The Texans dont have a true SS or FS though. Delmas was certainly the bdpa at the spot. Chung, though, was on my radar but my mind was still deadset on Harvin--- I mean Delmas. I just don't have much confidence in Barber and think there is no way he goes into this season as the starter. We also need to get younger and get more depth at S.
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That's just it. Chung would replace Barber; Delmas replaces Wilson.

But, I'm fine with the pick.

I'm just sayin.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
That's just it. Chung would replace Barber; Delmas replaces Wilson.

But, I'm fine with the pick.

I'm just sayin.
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What makes you think they want to replace Barber? We just drafted him and I think they like what he can become and want to give him a shot.

Wilson on the other hand is a stop gap signing. 3 years? That means they want someone this year, and maybe next year as a backup, but the position will end up with Delmas getting the start in 2010, or if Wilson goes down with an injury in 2009.
 
Super Mario said:
What makes you think they want to replace Barber? We just drafted him and I think they like what he can become and want to give him a shot.

Wilson on the other hand is a stop gap signing. 3 years? That means they want someone this year, and maybe next year as a backup, but the position will end up with Delmas getting the start in 2010, or if Wilson goes down with an injury in 2009.
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He is referring to position they play and who would most likely start.
 
Personally, I felt Wilson and Ferguson did an okay job at FS/SS. Barber, IMO, can step up and take that safety spot in a few years, however, adding another sefety wouldn't hurt either. I like Chung because of his aggression and the blows he delivers but his coverage skills are lacking.
 
I say we just get two versatile guys that can handle the duties of both safety spots and just play left/right safeties instead of free/strong.

Let's draft William Moore in the 2nd round this year and Eric Berry/Taylor Mays in the 1st round next year and then we will be set.

Put Moore on the left side and Berry/Mays on the right side and then they just declare based on offensive formation.
 
Texan4Ever said:
Personally, I felt Wilson and Ferguson did an okay job at FS/SS. Barber, IMO, can step up and take that safety spot in a few years, however, adding another sefety wouldn't hurt either. I like Chung because of his aggression and the blows he delivers but his coverage skills are lacking.
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Exactly. Delmas was more attractive to me because he can cover. At least, from what I have seen he can.
 
So I get back from class, and start reading what I missed. Imagine my excitement when Harvin was chosen, leaving my Patriots my top rated safety! Then my hopes were dashed seconds later as I read further. Bah...

With the 47th pick in the 2009 TexansTalk draft, the New England Patriots select CB Jairus Byrd, from Oregon.

My initial look was safety, but there were no FS's left that I thought would be worth the pick. S is covered with Meriweather. CB seemed like the next best secondary help, and I think I got the last of the top tier guys.
 
Shaft75 said:
Exactly. Delmas was more attractive to me because he can cover. At least, from what I have seen he can.
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Are we going to be running a lot of man coverage with our safeties next year? I ask because i haven't read much about any defensive changes we will be making under the new coordinator.

Chung's man ability is suspect but he can zone just as well as any other safety in this class.

I agree that Delmas is superior in man coverage though. I don't even think that's debatable.
 
rmartin65 said:
So I get back from class, and start reading what I missed. Imagine my excitement when Harvin was chosen, leaving my Patriots my top rated safety! Then my hopes were dashed seconds later as I read further. Bah...

With the 47th pick in the 2009 TexansTalk draft, the New England Patriots select CB Jairus Byrd, from Oregon.

My initial look was safety, but there were no FS's left that I thought would be worth the pick. S is covered with Meriweather. CB seemed like the next best secondary help, and I think I got the last of the top tier guys.
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Dadgum, you must like this guy a lot. Obviously you've done some research on him. Fill us in, I don't know much about him.
 
bah007 said:
I say we just get two versatile guys that can handle the duties of both safety spots and just play left/right safeties instead of free/strong.

Let's draft William Moore in the 2nd round this year and Eric Berry/Taylor Mays in the 1st round next year and then we will be set.

Put Moore on the left side and Berry/Mays on the right side and then they just declare based on offensive formation.
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"Noice!"

Right on man, I think we have been doing the 2 versatile safeties thing but we've always had guys lean more towards being SS rather than FS. Since we have Wilson and a shot at Delmas apparently I say we try it from the more FS than SS side and see what that gets us, if anything different. Maybe some more picks? I dunno but I also like your idea here so whatever. Moore another SS type more than FS right? He certainly fits our bill.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Dadgum, you must like this guy a lot. Obviously you've done some research on him. Fill us in, I don't know much about him.
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I can't speak for rmartin65, but for my part, this isn't a reach.

I have Byrd rated as a late 2nd/early 3rd round prospect. And he is the top rated CB on my board right now.

He can play zone, but his man ability is a little suspect.

As far as ability goes, I think he is right on par with Victor Harris (Virginia Tech), but he is less physical and has better hands. He will get some picks.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Dadgum, you must like this guy a lot. Obviously you've done some research on him. Fill us in, I don't know much about him.
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bah007 said:
I can't speak for rmartin65, but for my part, this isn't a reach.

I have Byrd rated as a late 2nd/early 3rd round prospect. And he is the top rated CB on my board right now.

He can play zone, but his man ability is a little suspect.

As far as ability goes, I think he is right on par with Victor Harris (Virginia Tech), but he is less physical and has better hands. He will get some picks.
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Thanks, this is pretty much how I feel. I like the idea of Byrd back there with the pass rush the Patriots should get. 17 picks in 3 years.
 
bah007 said:
I can't speak for rmartin65, but for my part, this isn't a reach.

I have Byrd rated as a late 2nd/early 3rd round prospect. And he is the top rated CB on my board right now.

He can play zone, but his man ability is a little suspect.

As far as ability goes, I think he is right on par with Victor Harris (Virginia Tech), but he is less physical and has better hands. He will get some picks.
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That's cool. I definitely wasn't ragging on the pick. I hadn't heard much of anything about him to rag on.

Props to y'all on doing the research.
 
bah007 said:
I can't speak for rmartin65, but for my part, this isn't a reach.

I have Byrd rated as a late 2nd/early 3rd round prospect. And he is the top rated CB on my board right now.

He can play zone, but his man ability is a little suspect.

As far as ability goes, I think he is right on par with Victor Harris (Virginia Tech), but he is less physical and has better hands. He will get some picks.
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Isn't he also projected at possibly being able to jump to safety? I don't know much about the guy either.

BTW, The more I look at Ayers, the more I wonder if I should have passed on him. Mayock put together some tape of him the other day where he was just bullying guys at the Senior Bowl. In the end, Delmas was a need.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I'm picking for Dallas and I'm looking for the police reports on players ... any hints . :smiliedance:
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Alex Boone OT Ohio ST has had several alcohol related arrest over the past couple of years and I beleive Emanual Cook SS South Carolina was caught with a handgun last year. Seems like that would make both of them candidates for BIG (cell block) D! :texflag:
 
Shaft75 said:
Isn't he also projected at possibly being able to jump to safety? I don't know much about the guy either.

BTW, The more I look at Ayers, the more I wonder if I should have passed on him. Mayock put together some tape of him the other day where he was just bullying guys at the Senior Bowl. In the end, Delmas was a need.
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I would have picked Ayers, but I have no complaints at all on taking Delmas. He would have been a close second for me, even with the Wilson signing.
 
Shaft75 said:
Isn't he also projected at possibly being able to jump to safety? I don't know much about the guy either.

BTW, The more I look at Ayers, the more I wonder if I should have passed on him. Mayock put together some tape of him the other day where he was just bullying guys at the Senior Bowl. In the end, Delmas was a need.
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Wanting to change your pick again? :rant:
 
DiehardChris said:
I would have picked Ayers, but I have no complaints at all on taking Delmas. He would have been a close second for me, even with the Wilson signing.
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I agree. I would have taken Ayers as well. All in all, solid selection with Delmas. Probably good value and it's at a position of weakness.

Ooh looking back.. what about if we took Jerry and then Ayers! build up that D-line :)
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I agree. I would have taken Ayers as well. All in all, solid selection with Delmas. Probably good value and it's at a position of weakness.

Ooh looking back.. what about if we took Jerry and then Ayers! build up that D-line :)
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Looking back... what about Vontae Davis & Delmas?
 
With the 48th pick the Denver Broncos select Missouri DT Evander "Ziggy" Hood.

Tough spot here as I was hoping Delmas, Smith, Maybin and Unger would have slipped here as well. NT and DE are needs in the new 3-4, but Hood does not fit the prototypical NT size that is coveted. However, his motor, technique and physicality are not questioned and could see time at each position depending upon down and situation. Although he may not turn out to be a perennial Pro Bowl player, he should have a valued professional career for many years.

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mussop said:
I dont understand the fascination with Davis.
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No fascination... OMT mentioned Jerry & Ayers with the line. Davis & Delmas would both help out the secondary just like Jerry & Ayers would the line. Only reason I mentioned him.
 
Shaft75 said:
The Texans dont have a true SS or FS though. Delmas was certainly the bdpa at the spot. Chung, though, was on my radar but my mind was still deadset on Harvin--- I mean Delmas. I just don't have much confidence in Barber and think there is no way he goes into this season as the starter. We also need to get younger and get more depth at S.
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If you are going to spend that high a pick on a S he better be a true playmaker or be able to play more than jsut one position. If I were the Texans and wanted to draft a Safety in this draft I would of waited until at least the 3rd round or taken a CB that could play S. Victor Harris would of been a better choice IMO.

I would of been happy with any of the players below with our 2nd round pick. Yes including Harvin. I know you caught slack for it but getting the biggest playmaker in the draft in the middle of the second round is pretty good value IMO. There is no rule that we have to go D with every pick despite what some here think.

LeSean McCoy Pittsburgh RBF
Shonn Greene Iowa RBF
Percy Harvin Florida WRS WRF
Victor Harris Virginia Tech CB
Coye Francies San Jose St CB
Robert Ayers Tennessee DE43

Let me add that I dont hate the pick just would of gone a different way if it were up to me.
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mussop said:
If you are going to spend that high a pick on a S he better be a true playmaker or be able to play more than jsut one position. If I were the Texans and wanted to draft a Safety in this draft I would of waited until at least the 3rd round or taken a CB that could play S. Victor Harris would of been a better choice IMO.

I would of been happy with any of the players below with our 2nd round pick. Yes including Harvin. I know you caught slack for it but getting the biggest playmaker in the draft in the middle of the second round is pretty good value IMO. There is no rule that we have to go D with every pick despite what some here think.

LeSean McCoy Pittsburgh RBF
Shonn Greene Iowa RBF
Percy Harvin Florida WRS WRF
Victor Harris Virginia Tech CB
Coye Francies San Jose St CB
Robert Ayers Tennessee DE43

Let me add that I dont hate the pick just would of gone a different way if it were up to me.
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Just to confirm, you do not believe Delmas was of value in the mid second round?
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Just to confirm, you do not believe Delmas was of value in the mid second round?
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Sure he has value at that point but there were several players with higher value IMO. The difference in value made him not worthy of the pick IMO. In other words his overall grade plus his over all value in terms of how he helps our team wasnt up to par with several players that were available. Therefore if we were to pick him there we would be not getting the best value for our pick. Hope that helps.
 
mussop said:
If you are going to spend that high a pick on a S he better be a true playmaker or be able to play more than jsut one position. If I were the Texans and wanted to draft a Safety in this draft I would of waited until at least the 3rd round or taken a CB that could play S. Victor Harris would of been a better choice IMO.

I would of been happy with any of the players below with our 2nd round pick. Yes including Harvin. I know you caught slack for it but getting the biggest playmaker in the draft in the middle of the second round is pretty good value IMO. There is no rule that we have to go D with every pick despite what some here think.

LeSean McCoy Pittsburgh RBF
Shonn Greene Iowa RBF
Percy Harvin Florida WRS WRF
Victor Harris Virginia Tech CB
Coye Francies San Jose St CB
Robert Ayers Tennessee DE43

Let me add that I dont hate the pick just would of gone a different way if it were up to me.
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The fact that you think Victor Harris is a good value to us here in the 2nd is laughable.
 
The Bears select Percy Harvin WR Fla.
Wanted a big receiver to go with Hester, but missed out on them. Harvin and Hester bring pure speed and big play ability to the Bears passing game. They will back off the DB's, which will help the running game.
 
I wish I could get a do over on alot of things but the draft isn't one of them.

I'm O.K. with Cushing but would have taken Barwin or Matthews

Delmas is a good pick also but we need to solve our pass rushing deficiencies so I would have taken Sidbury or Ayers

3rd rd S that would have been available Vaughun who we were looking at closely at the Shrine game or Hamlin.
 
Super Mario said:
What makes you think they want to replace Barber? We just drafted him and I think they like what he can become and want to give him a shot.

Wilson on the other hand is a stop gap signing. 3 years? That means they want someone this year, and maybe next year as a backup, but the position will end up with Delmas getting the start in 2010, or if Wilson goes down with an injury in 2009.
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Shaft75 was saying that HE doesn't like Barber. And I was just saying, if he didn't like Barber, he didn't choose the guy that would probably replace him.
 
jgl35 said:
The Bears select Percy Harvin WR Fla.
Wanted a big receiver to go with Hester, but missed out on them. Harvin and Hester bring pure speed and big play ability to the Bears passing game. They will back off the DB's, which will help the running game.
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The Bears would be PSYCHED if it worked out this way: Sanchez and Harvin? Wow.
 
mussop said:
Care to elaborate?
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#1. I think he is too slow to be a corner. He takes too many chances on jumping routes and will get burned in the NFL.

#2. He doesnt have a true position. What is he? Some say due to his lack of speed he will be a safety.

#3. His lack of speed makes him suspect in man coverage. Teams will be forced to use him in a zone defense.

Right now he is probably the 8th best cornerback in this draft and should go to a team in the 3rd round.
 
The Dallas Cowboys pick Rashad Johnson Safety Alabama .

They have Hamlin and signed Sensbaugh but are really hurting in the secondary and need some young talent .
 
With the 52nd pick in the 2009 NFL Draft the Philadelphia Eagles select...

Phil Loadholt - OT, Oklahoma

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Analysis: Loadholt is a prototypical RT and with Jon Runyan turning 36 during next season, Loadholt can become his successor. The Eagles still need more help on their offensive line though.
 
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