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2007 NFL Scouting Combine coverage

40-yard dash - Offensive linemen
Some unofficial times from today's combine workouts -

Andy Alleman - 4.96
Allen Barbre - 4.86
Josh Beekman - 5.39
Justin Blalock - 5.23
Levi Brown - 5.39
Doug Datish - 5.18
Chris Denman - 5.20
Tim Duckworth - 5.42
Doug Free - 5.22
Gabe Hall - 4.89
Ryan Kalil - 4.96
James Marten - 4.99
Joe Thomas - 4.96
Tony Ugoh - 4.99


40-yard dash - Tight Ends
Unofficial 40-yard dash times from today's combine workouts -

Michael Allan - 4.67
Kevin Boss - 4.74
Scott Chandler - 4.81
Jonny Harline - 4.87
Clark Harris - 4.85
Zach Miller - 4.84
Joe Newton - 4.89
Greg Olsen - 4.47:thumbup
Ben Patrick - 4.78
Anthony Pudewell - 5.07
Gijon Robinson - 4.83
Derek Schouman - 4.77
 
yep looks like there are a couple of Seth Wand prospects on the board again. Thought Miller would run better. Olsen has deffinatly put himself on the radar with that time.
 
threetoedpete said:
yep looks like there are a couple of Seth Wand prospects on the board again. Thought Miller would run better. Olsen has deffinatly put himself on the radar with that time.
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Olsen has been the best TE prospect in the nation for at least a year. We didn't really expect him to declare, but you won't find a single post of mine saying he isn't the best TE in the draft/nation.
 
So Quinn and Russell aren't going to do the drills today, and T. Smith is just going to throw but not run.

We stll have the guy I was impressed with at the Texas vs The Nation game....Josh Swogger. The tallest qb at the combine and a rocket arm. I hope he has a great day and the Texans take a look. Would be a perfect qb to take and make a project of while we let DC take snaps the next two years as we build.
 
TEXANRED said:
I don't care about an O-Lineman 40 time, what did he do in the shuttle, cone drills, and the bench are the important times to me.
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throw out all these drills and watch him play....that's enough for me. He is a better prospect than Jammal Brown two years ago and Brown went to the Pro bowl after we passed him for Travis Johnson. The Texans will probably take the guy who looks best in shorts....oh wait, Casserly isn't here anymore... :marionaner: never mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igNRxKai1mE Here is Brown lighting up his teammate for getting on the coaches.
 
threetoedpete said:
Yeah I luve this stuff. Biggest poker game on the planet , everone is tring to see something the other guys there misses. Lot of guys made themselves some money today. Quinn pumping 225 24 times tells me he's not just a pretty boy. He's a football player. Hope we get some good coverage at his pro day. Kinda POed at Ugoh. Incredible athlete whos numbers don't fit the player on the feild.
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I hate this time of year for statments like this. Throwing 37 TD's, getting up after taking big hits, leading a huge comeback, recovering after making mistakes, etc. That dosnt make him a football player. Lifting 225 x amount of times does. Who gives a damn? How far can he throw the ball, how accurately can he throw it? Can he read a defense, take a hit, move around in the pocket...etc. Those are the defining traits of a football player, not lifting weights in a gym.
 
i hate this tiem of the year because there's always people coming out of the woodwork to express their displeasure for the combine.
 
I hate this time of year because people will come out of the woodwork and claim that a guy who's not a very good football player, like Greg Olsen, should be a top 15 pick because he ran fast in shorts one day in Indy.
 
Thoughts on the WR times, anybody?

Rice's 4.53 hurt him, coupled with the 'ole Spurrier jinx, probably the 5th WR taken. Not to read too much into it... but I think other guys offer a few more tangible assets.

Nobody is going to pass on C. Johnson. Oakland has some luxury in selecting the best offensive player available, because they've got a great D and Moss shouldn't deter them.

Meachem's time (4.36) was very impressive, puts him in play for picks 10-20. Maybe some homerism in Tennessee, could be the guy they need, SF maybe.

Bowe's time of 4.51 doesn't move him at all... looks like a Colston clone, a bit shorter, but will go get balls, break tackles, and get downfield just fine. Will make some team drafting 10-25 very happy. Would be a nice fit for SF or TEN, maybe even ATL.

Anthony Gonzalez put himself in play for a late 1st pick with the 4.41, another guy I expect to be productive. I see him fitting perfectly in San Diego, where they don't need a red-zone target as much as a good solid WR. Size and gamebreaking aren't huge needs given the Tomlinson and Gates weapons in that passing attack.

Jarrett not running is hurting when nearly everybody is beating expectations, and guys like Bowe aren't trying to hide anything. At this point, he'll need to run like a 4.5 something at his pro day to keep his stock up with the rest of this group.
 
kastofsna said:
i hate this tiem of the year because there's always people coming out of the woodwork to express their displeasure for the combine.
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the combine is a job interview....the game film is the resume. Getting a feel for a player consists of a little of both elements. The teams get to look at the top players and meet for the first time at one place and get the meet and greet out of the way before final decisions.
 
i wouldn't call the game film a resume. again, these guys aren't finished products. you have to keep in mind that they're not nearly close to finished in their learning process. most important thing in these players is their athletic ability, followed by their ability and willingness to learn, and then the committment to the game itself.
 
Lucky said:
I hate this time of year because people will come out of the woodwork and claim that a guy who's not a very good football player, like Greg Olsen, should be a top 15 pick because he ran fast in shorts one day in Indy.
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He struggled this year against some teams, yes. But the guy is DANGEROUS. I think he is the best TE prospect. Top 15 I don't think so. I think he will go to Chicago at 31 at the earliest.
 
i'm a lifelong canes fan. olsen isn't that good. he's a good athlete, but meh...useless in blocking and doesn't have the legs to get much better there. H-back to me.
 
kastofsna said:
i'm a lifelong canes fan. olsen isn't that good. he's a good athlete, but meh...useless in blocking and doesn't have the legs to get much better there. H-back to me.
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He is like Dallas Clark. Very dangerous in the passing game. And if your a team like Chicago that already has a TE that can block...he really is an intriguing prospect.
 
TexansSeminole said:
He struggled this year against some teams, yes. But the guy is DANGEROUS. I think he is the best TE prospect. Top 15 I don't think so. I think he will go to Chicago at 31 at the earliest.
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They got Des Clark... who is plenty good as a receiving threat and can stretch the field a bit too... but they are definitely a BPA team if there has ever been one. No needs except for QB. Could go DT if they wanna eventually get rid of Tank Johnson. Could go SS if Brown faces an uphill batter after a Lisfranc fracture. Could go WR if they wanna replace Muhammad eventually.
 
Dr. Toro said:
They got Des Clark... who is plenty good as a receiving threat and can stretch the field a bit too... but they are definitely a BPA team if there has ever been one. No needs except for QB. Could go DT if they wanna eventually get rid of Tank Johnson. Could go SS if Brown faces an uphill batter after a Lisfranc fracture. Could go WR if they wanna replace Muhammad eventually.
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Many Bears fans believe that TE is a need for them. They dont think Des has been a good enough passing threat, that's why I put Olsen there at 31. IMO he is the best TE in the draft and fits exactly what they are looking for in a new TE.
 
kastofsna said:
i hate this tiem of the year because there's always people coming out of the woodwork to express their displeasure for the combine.
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I dont hate the combine. It some football talk during a time of year devoid of any, so its always welcome. But I do hate all the stuff that comes with it, such as players shooting up draft boards because they ran spilt seconds faster then someone else. What is .2 seconds? Really...careers are not made of this. Someone saying, wow, if Lynch runs a 4.3 we should draft him after no one considered him a viable option irritate me. You have 2 years worth of film in one of the major football conferences in the nation and you want to base your claim on 4 something seconds instead of tangiable proof of his talent? It bothers me.
 
run-david-run said:
I dont hate the combine. It some football talk during a time of year devoid of any, so its always welcome. But I do hate all the stuff that comes with it, such as players shooting up draft boards because they ran spilt seconds faster then someone else. What is .2 seconds? Really...careers are not made of this. Someone saying, wow, if Lynch runs a 4.3 we should draft him after no one considered him a viable option irritate me. You have 2 years worth of film in one of the major football conferences in the nation and you want to base your claim on 4 something seconds instead of tangiable proof of his talent? It bothers me.
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Well said. It excites me about the draft but it bothers me that people put too much stock in it. It is definitely good to talk about young players that will be drafted though.
 
speed is vital in the NFL. those extra .2 seconds can mean a world of difference. simply: you want the best athletes on the field at all times. period.
 
kastofsna said:
speed is vital in the NFL. those extra .2 seconds can mean a world of difference. simply: you want the best athletes on the field at all times. period.
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They don't mean anything unless you can run that time with full uniform on. Some guys run fast in shorts and T-Shirts but can't run that time with pads on. Other guys can do both.
 
if they can't run the same way in pads, it's because there's some technique flaw. which can obviously be corrected fairly easily.
 
kastofsna said:
if they can't run the same way in pads, it's because there's some technique flaw. which can obviously be corrected fairly easily.
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So Anquan Boldin has a technique flaw? They had to time his 40 with a sun dial, but people couldn't stay with him when he's padded up.
 
TEXANRED said:
:doot: :elmo: :piano:

Fire, passion, and leadership are something the Texans could use on our offensive line. If he does come here I hope he brings that same sort of attitude with him.
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i like it. can't you just imagine levi brown on one side and charles spencer opposite him! :drool:
 
kastofsna said:
i'm a lifelong canes fan. olsen isn't that good. he's a good athlete, but meh...useless in blocking and doesn't have the legs to get much better there. H-back to me.
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that's what I'm thinking also. You gotta block for a living in Chicago. I'll believe that one when I see it. Agreed H-back, getting a leaner Wycheck. He has value for the matchup problems. Don't think he's a three down TE. We'll see at the end of april how that translates in draft status to the thirty-two teams. Lot of sub four-four WRs on the board is all I know.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
i like it. can't you just imagine levi brown on one side and charles spencer opposite him! :drool:
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I've been dreaming of someone since Spencer went down in September. What the WR/RBs proved today is that you can find a "play maker" anywhere in day one. There is explosive speed all over the board. You don't have to spend capitol to move up and get one. They will be there, if you hold you're water, all day the first day. The OLT's however...get past the first two and you're rolling the dice on the rest of the pile . And another point, he doesn't have to be Bosselli in this system. All he has to be is a superior run blocker and have elite feet. We draft Levi, we'll get that in spades. We're going to get some explosive plays out of the left side with him and Pitts.
 
kastofsna said:
speed is vital in the NFL. those extra .2 seconds can mean a world of difference. simply: you want the best athletes on the field at all times. period.
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Agreed. It is a large casim going from college and into the nfl. I mean you could here it in Vermeils voice when one of the college RB guys that was thought highly of jerked out a 4.6 or over. Those little studders in is voice was "UT OHs". He knows. Speed kills in the NFL. After today you should realize, there ain't a lot of great RBs out there this year. Lot of good guys, lot of role guys, but the draft isn't loaded like it was a couple of drafts ago.
And what you want your club to do this year is not waiste cap dollars and over reach for press clippings, instead of great athletes.
 
kastofsna said:
speed is vital in the NFL. those extra .2 seconds can mean a world of difference. simply: you want the best athletes on the field at all times. period.
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There you go again. You can have the best athletes, I'll take the best players. Yes, if all things are equal you take the faster time, and athleticism is a big part of what makes a good player, but it is not the end all and be all of football, as seen 20 Sundays a year by Mike Vick, Reggie Bush, (it pains me to say it) Mario Willaims...etc, while players like Zack Thomas, DeMeco, Drew Brees, Chad Pennington etc . Obviously there are examples to counter my point, but that dosnt change the validity of my argument. Players are a lot more then just athleticism.
 
I heard Calvin Johnson ran a 4.35 in the 40 at the Combine today in somebody else's shoes. They said on the radio that he told his agent he decided to run it even though he originally wasn't going to do it until Georgia Tech's pro day. He borrowed somebody's shoes and ran it that way. Not sure if that's true or not.
 
I'm loving the character that Levi Brown is showing.

Hopefully questions about some of his times stop him from clilmbing to high up other teams boards because there a few teams in front of us that could use a LT.
 
TexanSam said:
I heard Calvin Johnson ran a 4.35 in the 40 at the Combine today in somebody else's shoes. They said on the radio that he told his agent he decided to run it even though he originally wasn't going to do it until Georgia Tech's pro day. He borrowed somebody's shoes and ran it that way. Not sure if that's true or not.
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True, like I posted a while back he's as fast as he needs to be. I think I heard it was the east carolina QB whos shoes he borrowed. Stand to be corrected on that one though.
 
threetoedpete said:
True, like I posted a while back he's as fast as he needs to be. I think I heard it was the east carolina QB whos shoes he borrowed. Stand to be corrected on that one though.
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that's right. he did borrow pinckney's shoes. pinckney only ran a 4.75 in them, but he IS a QB. haha.
 
TexanSam said:
I heard Calvin Johnson ran a 4.35 in the 40 at the Combine today in somebody else's shoes. They said on the radio that he told his agent he decided to run it even though he originally wasn't going to do it until Georgia Tech's pro day. He borrowed somebody's shoes and ran it that way. Not sure if that's true or not.
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That'd be one hell of a plug for nike, reebock or whoever the maker was. Also if I was that QB....I'd get Calvin Johnson to autograph them.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
That'd be one hell of a plug for nike, reebock or whoever the maker was. Also if I was that QB....I'd get Calvin Johnson to autograph them.
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you could be onto something there.

Where do we think CJ is going? It's not Oakland, because Kiffin already said Porter and Moss WILL be back.

Detroit would just be hilarious. But, they could draft CJ and trade Rogers and Williams..or something of that nature.

What do we think?
 
Rogers was cut last season. If they can't sign Furrey and cut Mike Williams then they could be a legitimate team to draft him regardless of their past draft history.
 
I hope Atlanta trades up for him but really don't see that happening. Tampa Bay seems like the logical choice although Minnesota has been a popular trade up fit for johnson. detroit would be hilarious but would rather them take thomas, quinn.

i'd say tampa bay ...
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I hope Atlanta trades up for him but really don't see that happening. Tampa Bay seems like the logical choice although Minnesota has been a popular trade up fit for johnson. detroit would be hilarious but would rather them take thomas, quinn.

i'd say tampa bay ...
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I personally think Tampa will end up trading down for extra picks IF Detroit drafts CJ. Gruden's on thin ice in Tampa and I think it would be wise for him not to take a chance on Adams or Anderson.
 
Navy_Chris said:
I personally think Tampa will end up trading down for extra picks IF Detroit drafts CJ. Gruden's on thin ice in Tampa and I think it would be wise for him not to take a chance on Adams or Anderson.
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isn't gruden who coached amobi okoye at the senior bowl? if so i think he fell in love with okoye...and could see him trading down to get him cuz 4 would be too high.

for that to happen...oakland would have to take russell, detroit takes johnson, cleveland takes peterson....and houston or another team trades up for joe thomas...because if not then arizona would select him. if tampa wants to trade down they better hope detroit takes CJ like you suggested and thomas falls.
 
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