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dont forget that we had 2 stand out corners at one time. if we got a saftey to replace marcus coleman at saftey he could return to corner. we also desperatly need an OL man. some on before mentioned chris spencer and a good gaurd is important to our zone blocking scheme. with the line better that would give DD an easier time which would open up Carr and Andre in the passing game. so ther u have it OL and Safeties CANNOT be overlooked!!!
 
Big78 said:
dont forget that we had 2 stand out corners at one time. if we got a saftey to replace marcus coleman at saftey he could return to corner. we also desperatly need an OL man. some on before mentioned chris spencer and a good gaurd is important to our zone blocking scheme. with the line better that would give DD an easier time which would open up Carr and Andre in the passing game. so ther u have it OL and Safeties CANNOT be overlooked!!!
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I can definitely understand wanting OL help, but why do you think we need another safety? Coleman played well last year and Earl will continue to improve with more experience, not to mention with more time to fully recover from his knee injury from college...
 
Heath Miller 1st round pick. We need a good TE to help A.J. and Carr
Wr. 2nd round pick . Fast rec. to stretch the field.
ILB and DL 3rd round picks. Pick up McCune or Burnett @ Lb, Ellison, Mosley or
Bryant @DL.
 
WR or bust!!!

WR (#2) is the only position on the team that doesn't appear to have a starter on the roster. We could upgrade in other areas but we have viable options for those positions. The only other positions IMO that you could justify with the #13 pick would be OLT or ROLB. Since Barron looks like a reach at #13, that leaves WR or ROLB as our likely #1 selection. I know we should go BPA, but lets be honest, we are going for BPA in a need position. That leaves WR or pass-rushing OLB as our likely picks. These two positions could have immediate impacts on our team.
 
I follow the BPA system - but if there are different positions to choose from:

1st: If there is a stud, even at a position you don't really need, you go for them (except for QB) - like Benson or Williams are RBs that we don't need but could not pass on - but that probably won't happen this time. Once you get past them, and assuming the rest of top 11 are gone (by top 11, I mean Brown/ CWilliams /Benson /Edwards /MWilliams/DJ /Rolle/Jones /Merriman/the 2 qbs).
If there was a way to move up a few spots (that didn't cost too much) to get DJ or a Merriman - you gotta go for them - due to our needs. Edwards and WIlliams would also fill a huge hole.

I would try to deal our #13 and a 3rd for #9 - that way we get one of DJ/Merriman/Edwards/Williams. [this works under the NFL Draft Pick Value Chart as fair value]
If I couldn't get one of the top 11, I would trade down: #13 to Philly for 31 and 35 - [again this works under the NFL Draft Pick Value Chart as fair value]

If we could trade down 6-10 spots - then I would go for TE Miller. [maybe down to 19 in a deal with the Rams either giving us 19 and a 3rd and a 4th for #13 or their 1st and 2nd for our first and 3rd - both of these deals are fair value on the NFL Draft Pick Value Chart ]
 
I dont think a DL is smart at all in 1st round.... its waste of money. 3-4 rd is good time to get A DL. A RB we would have get rid of davis. I think he is are man plus too much money between the 2. OL makes since if Barron is there. A WR we need one to open the field up. CB, when we signed sanders... this is his chance. Plus this is a deep draft for CB. Anybody in top 4 rounds could play in this league.
I think 1st round Williamson
2nd round OL
3rd rd 1. DL/LB
2. CB/S

rest is up for grabs
 
Trade Jamie Sharper,our #13 pick,4th rounder for either of the top 3 picks, than grab DJ. Than send a 2nd and 3rd rounder for a late first rounder and take baas. That way we still got rid of Sharper's contract and pick up DJ and Baas. Than using our 3rd round pick we can take a wr(this draft is very deep at this position.) Than on the 2nd day you can take your D-Line with your 5th pick, than pick up a cb with ur 6th pick(Cb isnt an absolutly pressing issue this draft, and this draft is deep with them anyways. And we prolly take a qb with our 7th round pick, just because Casserly always takes a qb
 
DRIFTAWAY said:
Trade Jamie Sharper,our #13 pick,4th rounder for either of the top 3 picks, than grab DJ. Than send a 2nd and 3rd rounder for a late first rounder and take baas. That way we still got rid of Sharper's contract and pick up DJ and Baas. Than using our 3rd round pick we can take a wr(this draft is very deep at this position.) Than on the 2nd day you can take your D-Line with your 5th pick, than pick up a cb with ur 6th pick(Cb isnt an absolutly pressing issue this draft, and this draft is deep with them anyways. And we prolly take a qb with our 7th round pick, just because Casserly always takes a qb
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but you are not considering our biggest need a #2 WR. That has to come in one of the 1st rounds. I think an OL is also another need. If Barron is drafted i think Wand sits. I think the 2nd days picks will bulk up the CB,LB,DL,S,TE
 
For us to trade up to the 3rd pick - it would take much more than Sharper, #13 and a 4th.

I like Sharper - but since we have told him to find a trade, we won't get much for him - in fact, most teams will expect us to cut him - so why should they give more than a 3rd round pick (which would be a lot considering the circumstances)

So, using the Draft Pick Value Chart;
#3 = 2200

the total value of ALL of our picks is only 2142.
(13 1150, 47 430, 73 225, 78 200, 108 78, 142 35, 173 23.2, 204 10.8)

So, if Sharper is worth a 3rd (approx 200 points), then we would have to give up Sharper, our first, our second and both thirds. NOT worth it.

If we trade up, it won't be far because we need depth more than we need one stud player.
I like the idea of dealing up to #9 (fair value means it would cost us #13 and #78) - then we get a one of the WRs(probably Williams since Edwards will probably go earlier) or Merriman (DJ will be gone).
Williams would be a great complement to AJ - true he is not a burner, but he would be able to outjump anyone in single coverage and would be money in the red zone.
 
I know this is a stupid question, but what day is the draft. I haven't been able to watch alot of games in the last few years so I have really lost touch, but hopefully I can get back into the groove. I really think the Texans are detined to win it all within the next 5 years. They are building like crazy. Although they have made some questionable moves they are on the right track. I mean you have David Carr and AJ, and DD on offense. Then you have D-Rob and Glenn along with some hard hitting guys on Defense. They seem really particular on certain things, and I like that. We have our speed guys, and we have are heavy hitters with a good mix of intelligence.

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Ok here we go..
I dont think we take a number 2 reciever that high in the Draft period unless he is a Blue Chip (Braylon or Williams) No way! You only take a reciever like that when you want them to be your #1 guy. You dont draft a reciever just because he is a Burner.

I say we take DL - Yes I know we resigned all of these players, but it doesnt mean they wont be roster cuts come season opener time. I think DL is the position where we are the oldest and most vulnerable if a starter is injured. Sears is just not strong enough to be a force we need another Robaire Smith and that player is Spears to me. He is Big enough to play end plus he adds immediate quality depth to our D-Line and a much needed injection of youth.

Last year our most vulnerable position was CB not safety because Coleman could be moved to safety they realized they neede a shut down corner to replace him. Babin was a big time tweener who we thought would not last and probably would not have. With the loss of Posey the Linebacking Core lost a lot of speed. Peek with just a year under his belt was still to raw.

This year its D-Line the Oline has an excuse for this year that the zone blocking scheme threw them off. plus next year will be a ton (literally) of OL that will be coming out. So go DL address the #2 receiver in later rounds. Starling will probably be our return man if moses does not return.

So I vote Spears.
 
Spears will go to Chargers #12. A WR or OL makes so much more sense. Its a waste of money. It would hurt our CAP # and i cant see a billionaire doing something like that. Remember if you really wanna know who will be drafted think like the owner not like a fan... Do a list of positions and put their salaries next to it. If the draftee makes more than the imcumbent... it wont happen.
 
If we take a DL - who goes to the bench? Robaire/Payne/Walker?
We have paid top dollar for all of these guys and a rookie, even picked at 13, should be stuck on the bench behind them.
Now, if we could trade on of those guys, then sure - but otherwise, it is not a need position.

We NEED the following:
2nd WR - none worthy on roster (I think 2 stud WRs makes the rest of our offense run much better)
OLT - Wand may be the guy; Drafting one does not seem to be the way the team is going because of the rumors they don't want to wait the 2 years it will take to develop)
TE - If Joppru doesn't come through, this area is hurting.
OLB - Babin is one, is Peek the other? If not, this is a big need.

after that - we need depth across the board on defense, at CB (to replace Glenn eventually), ILB (if Wong and the signee do not work out), OLB/DL.

So, I think we need to go BPA - which might be OLB (if merriman drops) (could be CB if Rolle drops or RB is Benson drops) - but I HOPE that a WR is what we get as the BAP, not a backup defensive lineman.
 
Xman said:
If we take a DL - who goes to the bench? Robaire/Payne/Walker?
We have paid top dollar for all of these guys and a rookie, even picked at 13, should be stuck on the bench behind them.
Now, if we could trade on of those guys, then sure - but otherwise, it is not a need position.

We NEED the following:
2nd WR - none worthy on roster (I think 2 stud WRs makes the rest of our offense run much better)
OLT - Wand may be the guy; Drafting one does not seem to be the way the team is going because of the rumors they don't want to wait the 2 years it will take to develop)
TE - If Joppru doesn't come through, this area is hurting.
OLB - Babin is one, is Peek the other? If not, this is a big need.

after that - we need depth across the board on defense, at CB (to replace Glenn eventually), ILB (if Wong and the signee do not work out), OLB/DL.

So, I think we need to go BPA - which might be OLB (if merriman drops) (could be CB if Rolle drops or RB is Benson drops) - but I HOPE that a WR is what we get as the BAP, not a backup defensive lineman.
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I agree with majority of that. i dont know about merriman part i have been hearing about him going #3 and i have heard roomers at #9
 
If we take a DL - who goes to the bench? Robaire/Payne/Walker?
We have paid top dollar for all of these guys and a rookie, even picked at 13, should be stuck on the bench behind them.
Now, if we could trade on of those guys, then sure - but otherwise, it is not a need position.
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we are talking about 300+ pound players. watch any Texans game and you will notice Deloach and Ioane in on alot of snaps. Why is that? because these guys are huge and need breathers. a Rookie would get playing time like our other backups.. until he is ready to take on the "semi-fulltime" load of being the starter.

it is a big need because Payne and Walker are both old and injured.. and our backups are not full time starter material. We need youth on our Dline and we need it quickly.


2nd WR - none worthy on roster (I think 2 stud WRs makes the rest of our offense run much better)
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and you are basing this one what? when have we ever had 2 "stud" WRs? Bradford was not a stud. We have 4 young and very talented players.. I think Armstrong OR Gaffney could handle the #2 spot. We do not need to use another high draft pick on our WRs.. especially when we need an infusion of youth at so many other positions.

TE - If Joppru doesn't come through, this area is hurting.
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Playmaker TEs are not a necessity for every team. We have two WRs who are very good in redzone situations.. Gaffney and Armstrong. What we really need from a TE is blocking ability.. and the THREAT of catching the ball. We do not currently have that with Miller or Breunor.. we may have that with Joppru. if not.. then we can find a player like this in FA next year.. or possibly draft one in the mid rounds next year. This is a lousy TE crop, and I honestly wouldnt use a draft pick on one.


OLB - Babin is one, is Peek the other? If not, this is a big need.
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I agree. and the best OLBs will be the ones in the first round. Pollack, Merriman, and Cody. I think we should grab Pollack.


I see our draft needs as this.

OLB (cause peek is questionable)

ILB (cause wong is expensive and old and wont be here next year probably)

DL (cause they are old and will be leaving soon)

OL (cause we lack depth and our starters are questionable.. they need competition)

CB (a replacement for glenn will be hard to find outside the first. Perkins in the third or fourth could play nickle or dime and may also be a good replacement for JJ Moses)

RB (someone big and durable. a between the tackles runner to compliment DD. Or possibly a speedy around the corners tackle to replace Hollings)
 
I still say we don't draft a #1 receiver to make him the #2 guy in our offense now ill agree with the tight end weakness. But im not saying Spears would start ahead of them but he would probably do tons better than a deloach or C Sears. The only D lineman I like beyond our starters is Iaone. Deloach to me is a pure run stopper and not much more Sears has shown me nothing at all and other than that where do we go? I think we resigned these guys as a "just in case we don't get to draft spears" safety net. Defense first Offense in later rounds you can find Gem recievers in lower rounds we don't run a colts type offense here. I think we need a posession receiver and i think Gaffney is that reciever that gives you the marker. that is what we need we need a reciever to run the under routes and then when the coverage shifts to the posession guy you make em pay with AJ having to speed burners running track meets is not our offense would be cool but not the offense we run here. The recievers we draft need to have lots of smarts they need to be able to make the same reads on the move Carr does in the pocket. If we did draft WR i hope its Williams. but my money is if Barron is there we take him or if spears is there we take him.
 
I think outofhnd is more realistic than GRID.... We need 2 possibly 3 good WR in the NFL. We have A #1 in Johnson and a #3 in Gaffney. Now we need a #2... We need a stud to take coverage off of Johnson

A DL.... they do need breaks but no a 1st round.. Maybe a 3rd. I you can get a great DL in the 3rd. You can get A WR in the 2nd but WR is biggest need. My mock only 8 DE in 1st 2 rounds. 7 in the 1st. SO we can get a top 10 DE in 3rd. BETTER?

S... we did cut Brown the other day... i can see a #3 or #4 CB/S maybe even a 5th or 6th

LB atleast 1 will be drafted... not in the 1st 4 rounds now that chamberlin has been signed he is the depth

OL is other need i can see A #1 here. it can happen... I can also see an #2 OL.... Maybe Britt 6'7'' OT out of alabama.

TE maybe 7th round just to help out
no other positions are immediate needs.
 
royce1054 said:
I think outofhnd is more realistic than GRID.... We need 2 possibly 3 good WR in the NFL. We have A #1 in Johnson and a #3 in Gaffney. Now we need a #2... We need a stud to take coverage off of Johnson

A DL.... they do need breaks but no a 1st round.. Maybe a 3rd. I you can get a great DL in the 3rd. You can get A WR in the 2nd but WR is biggest need. My mock only 8 DE in 1st 2 rounds. 7 in the 1st. SO we can get a top 10 DE in 3rd. BETTER?

S... we did cut Brown the other day... i can see a #3 or #4 CB/S maybe even a 5th or 6th

LB atleast 1 will be drafted... not in the 1st 4 rounds now that chamberlin has been signed he is the depth

OL is other need i can see A #1 here. it can happen... I can also see an #2 OL.... Maybe Britt 6'7'' OT out of alabama.

TE maybe 7th round just to help out
no other positions are immediate needs.
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If we don't take defense with our first pick the only offensive position in round 1 would be Barron the tackle.

If Wand truly is not panning out they will not make the same mistake of drafting a tackle in later rounds and grooming him they will take thetop tier talent available.

I still say though we need to shore up the D line with top tier young talent not late round fatboys who take 2 - 3 years to develop. We Need young talent there the most now that the LB situation has more options. We do not get any push at the point of attack on passing downs from our line. We need to get lineman that take up blocks and free the outside pass rush.
 
outofhnd said:
If we don't take defense with our first pick the only offensive position in round 1 would be Barron the tackle.

If Wand truly is not panning out they will not make the same mistake of drafting a tackle in later rounds and grooming him they will take thetop tier talent available. ...... .
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Again, I see no upside to this. Barron is going to be a fine pro. He has the potential to be great. But is he going to be a significant upgrade over what we have next season ? My opnion is no. I could be wrong. One of the reason's I do like Bass is because in worst case scenario Wand goes down, Pitts slides to LT and Bass would slide to left gaurd. Was Pitts great no. But he held his own. We need a stud there on that island no doubt. I just don't think Barron is gonna have the kind of success the Texan's are loooking for. The knock on him that I read is that he has great feet, but does not finish his run blocks. Sounds pretty much like what we already have there now. Why groom two mediocre guys ? See mocks saying we will do this.
But it makes no sence to me.


And for the record, TY CC for making the run at Pace. Good Job.


Bump. Dang it Grid quit doing that. We still have 35 days to go. You thread killer you. Great post.
 
nunusguy said:
Edwards and Williams are the top 2 rated WRs and deservedly so. But
Clayton has tremendous hands and runs very good routes and turned in very
quick 40 times in the Combine. Matter of fact, he was clocked at only 'bout half tenth of a second slower that Williamson, so the margin over a 40 is
maybe half of stride. So Williamson is faster that Clayton, but just barely.
I really think Williamson is overrated and not nearly the football player that the Sooner is, but a better Track guy - OK, so what.
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Nice post. Agreed. My other point on Willimason is this, How many targets will the # 2 guy get ? What kind of production are you expecting next season from the #2 wide out ? How many targets ? I mean you can count on your hands the number of times we went vertical with the # 2 last year. I'd just as soon see Matt Jones and Starling rotating out there then spend a thirteen on Williamson. I mean if the goal is to stretch the Defense, they could accomplish that as effectively as what we did last year. We don't or can't go vertical. Which unfortunatly is Carr's greatest strength, accuracy in the vertical passing game. So if there is no threat there, why take the WR at 13 ? I don't believe that we will throw to the # 2 wr. Why would you expect Dungy,Fisher, Del Rio ect. to believe it ? We just don't do it, or can't do it.
Hopefully , someone (one of the coners ?) will fall through the draft and we will be sitting there at 13 and one of the clubs will make us a nice offer. Don't believe Pollack will make a very good OLB.I was wrong about Suggs though. I could be wrong about Pollock. He WILL have to have a great motor to overcome those little hands and short arms. Da Geeeorgia gator. Rahter have the kid from Iowa, Roth, if we're going to pick a large project at ROLB. Leverage, look it up. We missed the two stud nose tackles last year on the Babbin deal. I could live with Spears. I'd rather move down and pick up Bass and shore up the team with tallent. Bottom line is there are no Dominate LT's and we're picking OLB's for the 3-4 two rounds to early. JMHO.
 
Williamson is dropping on boards because of his questionable route running and hands. I think his hype and speed are carrying him, but in this draft almost all the receivers have speed. I mean Jerome Mathis is the fastest receiver in the draft, but he is not getting this hype. Look for Roddy White to go before Williamson, but Williamson to go before Clayton based on hype.
 
I agree with 3toe on Barron he'll probably be a fine pro but not immediately. With our #1 we need a difference maker. Another shutdown corner would open up all kinds of pass rushing schemes. The top two are likely gone by#13 but I really like Carlos Rogers. He's projected a little lower than our pick but having another guy like Dunta can you imagine? There are only so many great cb's around and though this draft is deep at corner only a few of these guys will shine. Rogers can fly, cover, tackle, he's going to make some team very happy. I am hardly sold on Williamson I think Clayton will be a much better pro. He is still fast at 4.4, super quick, great hands, precise routes, I am thinking Derrick Mason but better. Williamson reminds me too much of Donte Stallworth, a lot of speed but less intangibles. Both these guys are projected a little lower than our pick but both are simply solid players who would contribute immediately. I'd prefer a dominant D but we'll see.
 
The Preacher said:
I agree with 3toe on Barron he'll probably be a fine pro but not immediately. With our #1 we need a difference maker. Another shutdown corner would open up all kinds of pass rushing schemes. The top two are likely gone by#13 but I really like Carlos Rogers. He's projected a little lower than our pick but having another guy like Dunta can you imagine? There are only so many great cb's around and though this draft is deep at corner only a few of these guys will shine. Rogers can fly, cover, tackle, he's going to make some team very happy. I am hardly sold on Williamson I think Clayton will be a much better pro. He is still fast at 4.4, super quick, great hands, precise routes, I am thinking Derrick Mason but better. Williamson reminds me too much of Donte Stallworth, a lot of speed but less intangibles. Both these guys are projected a little lower than our pick but both are simply solid players who would contribute immediately. I'd prefer a dominant D but we'll see.
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thats a damn fine post for your first one, welcome to the board Preacher :)
 
I think WR is still the way to go.

The arguments about what happened last year (that we didn't go to our #2 guy) are based on decisions the coaches made to utilize the talent they had (or didn't have).
AJ established himself as a stud. Next year, everyone will double cover him (CB close and a safety deep) - especially if he is our only threat at WR. So, we need another threat to lineup on the other side of the field - That will force the defenses to make a decision: either separate the safeties (leaving the middle open - which would open passing and running lanes) or leave single coverage on the other WR (which they can do with impunity now because noone can burn them - change it to a Williams who would abuse single coverage with his size or a burner and the defense has to change).

DD is solid - but he is not a dominant RB that can have success against a defense that puts 8 in the box. Add another good WR (forcing the safeties out of the middle) and his value increases because he could take it to the house when he slips the LBs on the short screen or even a dive.

Simply put, right now our offense does not have enough fire power. Defenses will double AJ and put single coverage on our other WR(or WRs), leaving 8 men in the box to shut down the run. Which leaves us looking at a lot of 3 and outs.
 
look for us to take a burner in the third or trade into the late second. There are alot of players with speed in this draft. We could go Jerome Mathis, or one of the Ok receivers.
 
there is good depth at WR in this draft. We cant be in Casserly and Capers head... Barron if he is there i have him at #10 to lions. but he could be good. I have heard about Williamson dropping. I have heard about his attitutde too. Maybe Clayton... They have to have that missing peice that was missing last year. Imagine if Bradford hadnt of underacheived. How many single coverages Johnson would of had. How many tackles he could of broken.. He was the best at yards after the catch. This could be a blessing in disguise. A #2 could do it... maybe a Brown or Gibson of the world but thats only gonna happen if Barron does go #10 to lions.
 
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