I've read the book by Michael Lewis in the off-season. Then I started watching Oher a bit. So far he has not impressed. But then again, I can't say I've watched enough to know for sure.
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Ole Miss Texan
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Yea, one plus is that he pretty much dominated Glenn Dorsey every time they were matched up against each other (this past ole miss/lsu game).
tulexan
Hall of Fame
I didn't realize that was him. Michael Lewis spoke at Tulane and was talking about Oher's story, but I must've forgotten his name. Really is a great story.
I remember the part Lewis wrote about how (in HS) Oher drove this defender all the way to the fence...
And how they would run the same play several times behind him with great success.
And how all the coaches promising the world to his brother (from the adopted family) to recruit him.
I guess too much expectation stemmed from the book!
And how they would run the same play several times behind him with great success.
And how all the coaches promising the world to his brother (from the adopted family) to recruit him.
I guess too much expectation stemmed from the book!
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Felix Jones looked impressive to me but with McFadden he doesn't get the touches. down on the goal line however they tended to feed him the ball which means he has power, explosiveness & hangs onto the ball, all upgrades to this Texans roster as it stands. if Spencer can't return & play LT then I have no problem going after the best one available in the 1st rd. but until then I'm not willing to give up hope he can still play.
concerning LT prospects Michael Oher, Mississippi is the most intriquing prospect. but the optimum solution (other than addressing RB) is trading down & taking a cover corner late 1st & using a 2nd rd selection (picked up in a trade down) on another LT from Pitt Jeff Otah he is cut from the same mold as Charles, big, massive & bruisingcheck him out this weekend against #2 West Virginia
anyone record or watch WV/Pitt? any thought on Jeff Otah's play? seems like a dead ringer as another Charles Spencer to me. I think in recent weeks his game has caught the eye of NFL teams looking for O-Line help & may now have moved from the 3rd rd. into the 1st. unlike the other talented tackles most of which are underclassman, Senior Otah (New Castle, Del./William Penn/Valley Forge Military Academy [Pa.]) helped pave the way for McCoy's 1,000-yard season from his left tackle position. Since transferring from Valley Forge in 2006, Otah has started every single game the last two seasons (23 consecutive starts). here is his school bio-
http://pittsburghpanthers.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/otah_jeff00.html
if Stewart is gone when the Texans pick, I say the Texans bite the bullet & consider drafting him. Despite being only in his fifth year of organized football, Otah has established himself as a national-caliber offensive tackle with strong pro prospects. He was recently listed No. 11 on Mel Kiper's Top 25 Senior "Big Board."
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Schmitt or Hillis in the 4th/5th seems like a must pick. Our FB's are terrible and if you want to run the ball in this system, you need a good one.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
No. No. No. No. No.
Enough with the potential guys or the raw projects. I refuse to believe Spencer is actually as talented as parts of 2 games has convinced some of you. He was and is even more now a project. We don't need another one. Enough of it. We have a string of project guys we have screwed over and screwed over our team with. Enough. Enough. We just drafted Frye, and he is unlikely to ever amount to anything close to the starter level. Enough.
I'm done, and I didn't mean to go off on you beerlover, but I've had enough.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I dunno. You've got VY, possibly the worse starting QB at passing. And he throws for over 200 yards and 2 TDs. Our coverage was just as bad as our blocking. Bennett showed he can make an INT, but showed he is still raw. VY threw a bad pass to Gage in the endzone and Bennett was not able to make a play on it. He probably should have intercepted it.
Overalls
All Pro
We also have lost 4 DB's to IR this season. so it is hard to say what might have been. I voted RB myself, but we need atleast one of everything in this coming offseason. It's sad that once again we are looking at the very real posibility of a top 10 pick. Let's go D-line again and really throw the other teams off our trail.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Honeslty I don't care if it is O line or secondary, as long as it is one of the two.
I voted O-line awhile back but had thought if they could get Stewart in the 1st, then they should get him. After todays game, they really need to get a Center. We now have 1 healthy Center who is playing in his 13th season, and 2 Centers on IR with torn ACL's (I think). It would be very foolish to go into next season with Flanagan (provided he stays healthy), McKinney (provided he can come back healthy), and White (same reason as McKinney with less recovery time).
Now I'm not saying we draft a Center with the 1st round because I don't think any have been graded 1st round worthy. But, if we could trade back (Yes I know that's a big "BUT"!) and pick up a 2nd rounder, that would be ideal. Then we could get possibly one of the best Centers in the Draft. Whoever that may be.
It's definately a position that needs alot of attention during the Offseason. JMHO!
Now I'm not saying we draft a Center with the 1st round because I don't think any have been graded 1st round worthy. But, if we could trade back (Yes I know that's a big "BUT"!) and pick up a 2nd rounder, that would be ideal. Then we could get possibly one of the best Centers in the Draft. Whoever that may be.
It's definately a position that needs alot of attention during the Offseason. JMHO!
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Sunday sealed the deal, fix the O-line.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Salaam = Dayne
both aquired via free agency in the twilight of repsective careers
I would be inclined to disagree. We have to go LT in the first, or you get a yound RB who cant get going because hes dodging guys in the back field. Dayne was well on his way to a 150+ yard game befor our brilliant play caller decided to take the ball out of his pudgy hands.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
& Salaam has been just as effective/valueable, both are serviceable & doing their absolute best to help the Texans win its the rest of the OL (most injured & can't even play) & RB's (also injured & can't even play).
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Our best bet is to take the best defensive back in the 1st Round. Depending on where we select, this could be Kenny Phillips out of The U. He is a premier FS talent and could help everything gel. If a true CB grades out higher than Phillips and is available when we select, then go the CB route. The secondary has to be fixed and we can't count on Dunta coming back 100%.
As for the Offensive Line, it hasn't been that horrible. Early in teh season, Schaub was getting rid of the ball like your supposed to. He is pressing and its contributing to sacks and turnovers. There aren't going to be any quality FA OT available in teh offseason. it just doesn't happen, but there is a future Hall Of Famer named Faneca that is going to be available. I think adding Faneca would help solidify the line. Maybe this will be the offseason that McNair really pulls the strings on a power move and send a message that the Texans are getting serious about winning. More than anything, we need a Center just as much as an LT so I say you go with best FA OL and take a run at Faneca to improve your guard play. Pitts and Faneca would be a nice guard tandem. Put a promising Center between those two guys and you could have a really good point of attack. Maybe go after a top Center in the 4th Round or try and swipe a promising backup away from a team via FA or less likely, a trade.
As for Running back, we need a guy who has a burst and can break plays longer than 8 yards. Dayne isn't horrible at getting you 3-5 yards but just can't break the big play even if you give him a huge hole. I definitely dont want to overpay for Turner who is unproven....so I guess that means hoping a RB is one of your best players on the board in the 3rd Round.
Fix Secondary with 1st Round pick (kenny phillips FS or best CB available)
Fix OL with $$ (Faneca)
Fix Running Back with 3rd Round prospect and hope Green comes back.
If we can turn around just 2 of those 3 facets we could be relevant as early as next year.
As for the Offensive Line, it hasn't been that horrible. Early in teh season, Schaub was getting rid of the ball like your supposed to. He is pressing and its contributing to sacks and turnovers. There aren't going to be any quality FA OT available in teh offseason. it just doesn't happen, but there is a future Hall Of Famer named Faneca that is going to be available. I think adding Faneca would help solidify the line. Maybe this will be the offseason that McNair really pulls the strings on a power move and send a message that the Texans are getting serious about winning. More than anything, we need a Center just as much as an LT so I say you go with best FA OL and take a run at Faneca to improve your guard play. Pitts and Faneca would be a nice guard tandem. Put a promising Center between those two guys and you could have a really good point of attack. Maybe go after a top Center in the 4th Round or try and swipe a promising backup away from a team via FA or less likely, a trade.
As for Running back, we need a guy who has a burst and can break plays longer than 8 yards. Dayne isn't horrible at getting you 3-5 yards but just can't break the big play even if you give him a huge hole. I definitely dont want to overpay for Turner who is unproven....so I guess that means hoping a RB is one of your best players on the board in the 3rd Round.
Fix Secondary with 1st Round pick (kenny phillips FS or best CB available)
Fix OL with $$ (Faneca)
Fix Running Back with 3rd Round prospect and hope Green comes back.
If we can turn around just 2 of those 3 facets we could be relevant as early as next year.
I have seen the light. I had voted for a running back in the first round.
Now, I see we need a great LT, the best one this draft has to offer. I was hoping that last year the Texans did everything they could to trade up and take Joe Thomas (or pick Marshawn Lynch if they couldn't).
Oh well, but they can still pick up a running back in FA. IMO, if Michael Turner becomes available, sign him. If Julius Jones becomes available, sign him too. The Texans should at least try to sign one of them if not both and keep Dayne as a back-up.
That will free them up to take a good linebacker, CB, Safety, or any other need in the draft.
Now, I see we need a great LT, the best one this draft has to offer. I was hoping that last year the Texans did everything they could to trade up and take Joe Thomas (or pick Marshawn Lynch if they couldn't).
Oh well, but they can still pick up a running back in FA. IMO, if Michael Turner becomes available, sign him. If Julius Jones becomes available, sign him too. The Texans should at least try to sign one of them if not both and keep Dayne as a back-up.
That will free them up to take a good linebacker, CB, Safety, or any other need in the draft.
tulexan
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I agree that we should try to fill the running back hole through free agency and address the offensive line hole(s) through the draft. I don't agree with signing Julius Jones and Michael Turner because that is unnecessary. Either one will do though.
TexansSeminole
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I agree with this. I would sign two guys if we are going to get rid of Ahman after this year. My thinking is that he is going to retire if his knee isn't going to allow him to play. Michael Turner isn't going to fix this running game on his own. He'll need backs like Dayne and another capable back to take carries as well. I'm not a big fan of Julius Jones or Ron Dayne really, but I would like for the Texans to look at acquiring two new capable backs.
The reason I had said both because you can sign one for at least one year (prefably Julius Jones) and sign the other to a longer contract. They can release Ahman Green and Echamandu (or Walker) and keep Dayne as a backup.
I agree that Julius Jones is not a great running back but believe he is better than what the Texans have wasted their money on.
With Turner being the starting running back, Julius Jones can come in for relief.
That's the problem, it's not a deep draft at RB. In fact, if McFadden, Stewart, Jones, and Mendenhall (all Jr's) didn't come out, it would probably be one of the weakest drafts for RB's. These 4 will probably be gone by the mid 2nd round. So if we get a LT in the 1st, there may be no "servicable guy" to get later on. This Draft is deep at Tackle and CB, and that's good because those are 2 areas the Texans need help at.
For me, the best case scenario would be to trade back and get a 2nd rounder or another 3rd. If Stewart or Mendenhall are still on the board with our late round 1st pick, then take one. If not, then get that LT or CB we need. Then with that 2nd or extra 3rd we can get a top Center or the LT/CB we didn't get in the 1st. Either way, we do need to fix the O-line, and with the way this season has been going, I think Kubes & Smith will probably draft at least 3 more O-linemen. And, I wouldn't be surprised if one of them came in the 1st round. JMHO!
badboy
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I would not sign Jones but do not think he would sign for Texans for one year as he should be able to go elsewhere for multi years. My concern now is we will draft so close to high teens, we will not be able to get an offer of a 2nd in a trade down. I think we have more talent than last year, most of it is on IR or like Bennett and JJ, doing best that they can. If we can get a 2nd, we can alleviate needs at both LT and RB. I do not want any project players in rounds 1 through 4. We need players!
Alright, Jones no, but Fargas, I heard he's good. The Texans can sign him and Turner and have two good/great running backs for once and not depend on one in the draft.
The Texans already passed on Marshawn Lynch in last years draft. Why take the gamble this year on a running back when they don't have a 2nd rounder and have so many other holes to fill.
They can sign good FA running backs and focus on getting the best players for the O-line and Safety/linebacker positions which I believe is a greater need that can be filled in the draft.
bah007
Hall of Fame
It's very unlikely that the Raiders will let Fargas go. He has come out of nowhere to become a reliable #1 RB.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
They signed Dominic Rhodes last year and they still have Lamont Jordan as well. They will probably have to get rid of one of these guys.
I wouldn't take Lamont Jordan but I would take Dominic Rhodes or Justin Fargas. Fargas could pass 1,000 yards this year easily.
bah007
Hall of Fame
My money is on Rhodes. I dont think he's even seen the field this year.
And if not him, then Jordan.
Basically, I think they are positively keeping Fargas. Why wouldnt they?
It's not up to Oakland to keep him, it's whether or not Fargas decides to sign with them.
He's a free agent. It's really up to the Texans if they decide to throw some $$$ his way and see if he'll bite.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
The Raiders will keep Fargas. They drafted him and he is turning out to be a good selection. Time to show him the money. That's how I see it anyway. The Raiders have a QB of the future in Russell, their future doesn't look too terrible on offense.
My guess is that Rhodes will get out of Oakland, or they let Jordan go, after Fargas resigns.
My guess is that Rhodes will get out of Oakland, or they let Jordan go, after Fargas resigns.
bah007
Hall of Fame
If they want him bad enough & he doesnt want to come back then they could franchise tag him, tho I dont know if he's worth that much.
It's just some wishful thinking. Signing Fargas along with Turner would give this franchise something it has never seen before, a 1-2 punch coming out of the backfield.