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1st Round- DeAndre Hopkins WR Texans

CloakNNNdagger said:
As I previously posted before. This is not Hopkins' first concussion. Most are not aware that he sustained a concussion during an auto accident the end of 2011, just before the Orange Bowl. The handful of media that did report it, reported it as a "mild" concussion. They should have done a better job of investigating the incident. Despite the fact that he was allowed to play in the Bowl game within a week of the injury and did well, he did NOT sustain a "minor" concussion...........he sustained full loss of consciousness. Here is the eye witness account by his own receivers coach, Jeff Scott.



The sad thing is that the NCAA to this day, despite all the NFL emphasis and rules and protocols established for concussed players, does not have nor follow a truly standardized protocol for return to play. And if they had had one, there would have been no way the a player that had been totally knocked unconscious would have been allowed to play that early.............whether the concussion was sustained on the field or otherwise.

No matter how one wants to look at it, this is Hopkins' SECOND significant concussion, and he thus carries a 2-4 times chance of sustaining a third.
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The NCAA has demonstrated that their rules and standards do not exist for the benefit of the players. Until they start getting sued like the NFL -- which they won't -- they really don't care about their well being.
 
thunderkyss said:
So what symptoms are we talking about? Are these symptoms he can easily hide, or is there some kind of objective measurement of them?
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Here's a list of possible symptoms -- click for larger
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His symptoms will be graded through each Stage listed above...

CloakNNNdagger said:
I.Being symptom-free for 24 hours (essentially at total rest)

II.Performing light physical activity (e.g., walking) without re-developing symptoms for 24 hours

III.Performing sport-specific activities (e.g., running) without re-developing symptoms for 24 hours

IV.Participating in non-contact practice (e.g., sprinting, passing the ball, also weight lifting) without re-developing symptoms for 24 hours

V.Participating in full-contact practice without re-developing symptoms for 24 hours​

If symptoms recur, the player must rest for 24 hours before resuming the process one step lower than when symptoms returned.
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thunderkyss said:
So what symptoms are we talking about? Are these symptoms he can easily hide, or is there some kind of objective measurement of them?
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There are many baseline tests given to all of the players before the season begins. One of those important tests include the IMPACT test [CLICK HERE TO SEE THE ACTUAL TEST]. It is the tool used to first assess potential concussions right after they are suspected. Other tests are given that test colors, shapes and memory association combinations. There are audio and visual light tests given. There are numerous computer programs that the players are presented with to test reflexes and timed cognitive responses. These are all compared to the baseline levels/scores established during these tests given before the season began. This is all above and beyond the comparative physical and psychological testing performed by the team doctors and neurologist that are performed at regular intervals.

The process, if followed as intended, is so complicated that it is pretty well accepted that it would be virtually impossible to fake "recovery."

Hope that answers your questions.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
There are many baseline tests given to all of the players before the season begins. One of those important tests include the IMPACT test [CLICK HERE TO SEE THE ACTUAL TEST]. It is the tool used to first assess potential concussions right after they are suspected. Other tests are given that test colors, shapes and memory association combinations. There are audio and visual light tests given. There are numerous computer programs that the players are presented with to test reflexes and timed cognitive responses. These are all compared to the baseline levels/scores established during these tests given before the season began. This is all above and beyond the comparative physical and psychological testing performed by the team doctors and neurologist that are performed at regular intervals.

The process, if followed as intended, is so complicated that it is pretty well accepted that it would be virtually impossible to fake "recovery."

Hope that answers your questions.
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Wow, that's a pretty extensive set of tests. Now is this form - this set of tests - administered during each phase?
:thinking:
 
ObsiWan said:
Wow, that's a pretty extensive set of tests. Now is this form - this set of tests - administered during each phase?
:thinking:
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Each type of test............the IMPACT, 5 phases of rehab, cognitive, etc.......are all independent markers. Nothing can be made of any one alone.........including clearance to play by the team doctor or team neurologist. Any one or all of the testing can be repeated anywhere along the way, should it be deemed necessary, indicated or helpful. The only "in stone" step is the final release to return to play by the INDEPENDENT League-certified neurologist.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Each type of test............the IMPACT, 5 phases of rehab, cognitive, etc.......are all independent markers. Nothing can be made of any one alone.........including clearance to play by the team doctor or team neurologist. Any one or all of the testing can be repeated anywhere along the way, should it be deemed necessary, indicated or helpful. The only "in stone" step is the final release to return to play by the INDEPENDENT League-certified neurologist.
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Doc, Kubiak made a comment that stages 2 and 3 can be completed in 1 day. Based on what you've learned is this the case?
 
Texn4life said:
Doc, Kubiak made a comment that stages 2 and 3 can be completed in 1 day. Based on what you've learned is this the case?
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Not the way I read that list. It looks to me to be a set of serial requirements. Doing stage two and three in the same 24-hr period would indicate that the tests can be administered in parallel. That doesn't make sense to me.
:mcnugget:
But that's me thinking like an engineer, not a doctor...
 
ObsiWan said:
Not the way I read that list. It looks to me to be a set of serial requirements. Doing stage two and three in the same 24-hr period would indicate that the tests can be administered in parallel. That doesn't make sense to me.
:mcnugget:
But that's me thinking like an engineer, not a doctor...
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Yeah I know. That's why I asked. It doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me either, but here's the quote.

(on if there has been any progress with WR DeAndre Hopkins) “He is still in phase one. He is feeling a lot better. In meetings today, doing a lot of stuff he wasn’t doing yesterday. I think we’re making progress and, like I said, I think you can go through phase two and three in one given day, so I think we can see some quick progress here over the weekend, but there was never any plan for him to play.”
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August 23rd Practice Quotes
 
Texn4life said:
Doc, Kubiak made a comment that stages 2 and 3 can be completed in 1 day. Based on what you've learned is this the case?
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ObsiWan said:
Not the way I read that list. It looks to me to be a set of serial requirements. Doing stage two and three in the same 24-hr period would indicate that the tests can be administered in parallel. That doesn't make sense to me.
:mcnugget:
But that's me thinking like an engineer, not a doctor...
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Texn4life said:
Yeah I know. That's why I asked. It doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me either, but he's the quote.



August 23rd Practice Quotes
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I was just about to post Kubiak's quote (given yesterday).

It doesn't make sense, because it doesn't make sense.:shades:
 
The important thing for me is to take care of this young man's life.

He had a serious concussion where he was knocked unconscious at the end of 2011, and now a 2nd concussion on what did not appear to be that violent of an impact.

Hold him out for as many games as he needs to get symptom free. If they push him back... if he fudges the test... his 3rd concussion could be his last as an NFL player. And the consequences likely to last years into his life.
 
That's huge. He needs all the reps he can get before the lights come on.

Now the only hurdle left is him not worrying about getting hit again. Because like mentioned before, his next concussion could be his last.
 
Cleared or not, I would sit him Thursday.
I'd give him another week of recovery time.
And give Cruse, Lemon, and EZ one last shot to stick around or at least be brought back to the P/S.
 
ObsiWan said:
Cleared or not, I would sit him Thursday.
I'd give him another week of recovery time.
And give Cruse, Lemon, and EZ one last shot to stick around or at least be brought back to the P/S.
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Id make him play for a quarter or 2 but not throw to him
 
ObsiWan said:
Cleared or not, I would sit him Thursday.
I'd give him another week of recovery time.
And give Cruse, Lemon, and EZ one last shot to stick around or at least be brought back to the P/S.
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I would share your feelings. His first concussion being a knock out. Now this one being caused by a relatively mild trauma. The extra reps he gets against 3rd and 4th stringers......most of which will be watching games this season from their couches........he will be just as challenged as if he were running routes in practice without his team mates trying to lay him out. With a history of past concussions, protocols should be adjusted to lengthen the time from phase 4 to 5 to ultimate return to game play. Missing this game to let his brain regain its normal metabolic processes decreases the chance that he sustains another concussion following lesser trauma......a concussion which will surely take him out of competition for quite a while.....and make him 3-9 times more likely to sustain a fourth. He may be fortunate if put out there, and he makes it through the game without incident. But if they stick him out there this Thursday, I would truthfully have to wonder who else got hit in the head to make that decision.:kubepalm:
 
As a sophomore at Clemson, DeAndre Hopkins suffered a concussion in an automobile accident on his way to Memorial Stadium for the Orange Bowl against West Virginia.
The crash happened on December 27, 2011. Police said Hopkins was "knocked unconscious" after hitting a wet patch in the road. "He started out in the front seat and the car spun around and went up a tree and he ended up in the backseat," described Hopkins' mother. Hopkins still played in the bowl game. Now an NFL rookie, Hopkins has been slow to recover from an August 17 concussion. Aug 28 - 7:59 AM
Source: CSN Houston


Is this news? News to me. Scratch that just read a few posts back.
 
pissknocker said:
As a sophomore at Clemson, DeAndre Hopkins suffered a concussion in an automobile accident on his way to Memorial Stadium for the Orange Bowl against West Virginia.
The crash happened on December 27, 2011. Police said Hopkins was "knocked unconscious" after hitting a wet patch in the road. "He started out in the front seat and the car spun around and went up a tree and he ended up in the backseat," described Hopkins' mother. Hopkins still played in the bowl game. Now an NFL rookie, Hopkins has been slow to recover from an August 17 concussion. Aug 28 - 7:59 AM
Source: CSN Houston


Is this news? News to me. Scratch that just read a few posts back.
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Just saw this on Rotoworld too. That's scary. Had no clue about the guy.
 
Tania Ganguli @taniaganguli
DeAndre Hopkins has been totally cleared to return to practice. Good chance he plays Thursday. #Texans1:33 PM - 27 Aug 2013
 
badboy said:
Tania Ganguli @taniaganguli
DeAndre Hopkins has been totally cleared to return to practice. Good chance he plays Thursday. #Texan1s1:33 PM - 27 Aug 203
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"Totally cleared to return to practice" leaves it unclear as to non-contact or contact practice. And with a Thursday game, when would he have had an opportunity to participate in a contact practice? From after yesterday's practice:
(on if WR DeAndre Hopkins has progressed in the protocol stages of his concussion) “Yeah, he’s doing good. He has not been totally cleared to return to practice. That could happen tomorrow. I want to say he’s in like stage four right now. He did do a lot of work today with the trainers.”
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Either way, if we see him against the Cowboys, I stand on my previous statement that someone in the coaching staff or the front office must have also taken a hit to the head.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
"totally cleared to return to practice" leaves it unclear as to non-contact or contact practice. And with a Thursday game, when would he have had an opportunity to participate in a contact practice?

Either way, if we see him against the Cowboys, I stand on my previous statement that someone in the coaching staff or the front office must have also taken a hit to the head.
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Posting info but 100% agree we don't need to see him on field tomorrow and maybe not first game. Allow Jean and Martin to get the reps against Dallas. This could also be for concussions :vincepalm:
 
badboy said:
Tania Ganguli @taniaganguli
DeAndre Hopkins has been totally cleared to return to practice. Good chance he plays Thursday. #Texans1:33 PM - 27 Aug 2013
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CloakNNNdagger said:
"Totally cleared to return to practice" leaves it unclear as to non-contact or contact practice. And with a Thursday game, when would he have had an opportunity to participate in a contact practice? From after yesterday's practice:

Either way, if we see him against the Cowboys, I stand on my previous statement that someone in the coaching staff or the front office must have also taken a hit to the head.
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As I tried to point out before, this was reported by Tania Ganguli on Tues after practice. Kubiak later said he was in (not necessarily passed) Phase 4. The "clearance" could have only been for Phase 4 (non-contact practice). With a Thursday game, you know there was no way there would have been a contact practice on Wednesday for him to even try to test out a Phase 5 (even if he had passed Phase 4). He could have never been cleared prior to the Cowboys game. On top of that, we haven't really been told to date whether he ever passed his Phase 4 without recurrence of symptoms. It seems that the media and Kubiak have questionable understanding of the workings of the Concussion Protocol.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
...It seems that the media and Kubiak have questionable understanding of the workings of the Concussion Protocol.
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Agree, although I'm guessing Kubiak is the culprit and media just pukes out what he says.

I just hope Nuk isn't hiding symptoms, and Texans aren't rushing him.
 
When you are trying to prevent recurrent nausea following concussion, you may try avoiding THIS.........:kubepalm:

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CloakNNNdagger said:
When you are trying to prevent recurrent nausea following concussion, you may try avoiding THIS.........:kubepalm:

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Orrrrr...
Perhaps wearing that shirt w/o barfing is confirmation that he's no longer susceptible to nausea...
Then again, with those colors how can one tell...?
:kitten:
 
5 catches, 66 yards -- Deandre Hopkins after 1 game.
6 catches, 65 yards -- Keshawn Martin after 6 games of rookie season.
6 catches, 151 yards -- Lestar Jean, after entire 2012 season.

If Hopkins continues to produce like this, he could have a monster year.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
5 catches, 66 yards -- Deandre Hopkins after 1 game.
6 catches, 65 yards -- Keshawn Martin after 6 games of rookie season.
6 catches, 151 yards -- Lestar Jean, after entire 2012 season.

If Hopkins continues to produce like this, he could have a monster year.
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That's not right.

Maybe you're trying to be funny. Sure we had high hopes that LeStar & KeShawn could beat out KDub for that roster spot. But we shouldn't be comparing Hopkins to them.

That's like looking at every Texans' milestone in relation to the Chiefs or the Lions... or Buffalo. We've turned that corner & should be comparing ourselves to New England, Pittsburgh, & Dallas (yes..... Dallas).
 
It looked a bit shaky at first, but when Hopkins came through with that low catch, I'm sure Schaub feels much more confident going to him.
 
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