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1st Round- DeAndre Hopkins WR Texans

leebigeztx said:
I just think with the depth at wr in this draft, I feel like the texans should've really been trying to trade out and attack the 2,3,4 rds of the draft. Patton,Dobson,williams,hunter,and wheaton have equal talent to hopkins. All those guys, except hunter was availiable owith the texans 2nd rd pick. I think they could've come out of the draft with a more explosive wr than hopkins later.
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They sat on the clock for quite some time..... how do we know they didn't? Surely you don't want them to give away our first round pick do you?
 
76Texan said:
Does it matter to them if the trading partner is named Texans or Patriots?
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No. You said if they feared the Texans would take Patterson.

If the Vikings think the Texans want Patterson, they won't ask the Texans to trade. They'll ask the team ahead of the Texans who isn't interested in a WR.

That they traded with the Patriots @ 29 does not suggest they were willing to trade up to 27 to get Patterson. More than anything, trading up after the Texans selected Hopkins suggests they wanted one of the two.

I don't know that they graded Patterson higher than Hopkins, or Hopkins higher than Patterson, only that they thought they were so close they were willing to wait until one of the two was gone.
 
76Texan said:
There are a lot of ex-scouts out there, and there's no concensus, except that this class is no filled with top end talent, but there's a lot of depth.

When I started the wide receiver threat in the mock draft forum last July, I've already said that much. I also said that the 2013 class should rival the 2012 class in both quantity and quality.
As we went on, I even stated that if the underclassmen that are "expected" to come out early, this class should be even deeper than 2012.

I was correct in that regard as 28 players were drafted as compared to 22 last year.
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You know you can rupture a disc patting yourself on a back that hard.
 
It didn't hit me how inexperienced our wr corps is until on the radio they mentioned that only one wr has more than 10 career catches.
 
thunderkyss said:
No. You said if they feared the Texans would take Patterson.

If the Vikings think the Texans want Patterson, they won't ask the Texans to trade. They'll ask the team ahead of the Texans who isn't interested in a WR.

That they traded with the Patriots @ 29 does not suggest they were willing to trade up to 27 to get Patterson. More than anything, trading up after the Texans selected Hopkins suggests they wanted one of the two.

I don't know that they graded Patterson higher than Hopkins, or Hopkins higher than Patterson, only that they thought they were so close they were willing to wait until one of the two was gone.
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You're always good at going circular. :)

The facts still remain the same no matter how many speculations are out there.

I'd like to have a staff of closers like what the Patriots have.
They certainly were able to close a lot of deals on draft day.
 
Rey said:
It didn't hit me how inexperienced our wr corps is until on the radio they mentioned that only one wr has more than 10 career catches.
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I'm afraid that it might come back and bite the Texans in the rear similar to 2010 when they lacked solid veteran presence in the secondary.

I'm crossing my fingers that AJ can stay healthy the whole year.

I hope that Posier's condition improves as much as possible.
It would make me feel better if what Posey texted in February is true, that he doesn't think he will miss any game.
I'd settle for him to be able to come back mid-season in game shape.
But I was warned by the Doc that Posey may never be the same again.

The Texans really need to find a veteran soon.
 
76Texan said:
I'm afraid that it might come back and bite the Texans in the rear similar to 2010 when they lacked solid veteran presence in the secondary.

I'm crossing my fingers that AJ can stay healthy the whole year.

I hope that Posier's condition improves as much as possible.
It would make me feel better if what Posey texted in February is true, that he doesn't think he will miss any game.
I'd settle for him to be able to come back mid-season in game shape.
But I was warned by the Doc that Posey may never be the same again.

The Texans really need to find a veteran soon.
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I wouldn't be too worried. The 2010 secondary like you said had no solid veteran presence. On offense it would be AJ, Daniels, Foster, Schaub taking over while not asking Hopkins to do much. Lets hope Hopkins takes advantage of the man to man and demands safety help and double coverage. It will make everyone better.
 
Howdy all. Just wanted to say as a die hard, long time Gamecocks fan living in Columbia SC, i think Houston got the best all around WR in the draft. Time will tell if that's true of course but i really think he is.

He's not a low 4.3 blazer like Austin as some of you already know by studying up on him, but he's fast enough to be a home run threat and make big plays. He does everything quite well and can do it in either the slot or as an outside #2 WR. Something Austin probably won't be able to do in the NFL (other than a returner of course) due to his small frame and small catch radius. Hopkins gives you more options and is more versatile for a wider variety of offensive packages.

My only knock or area where i think Nuk needs and can improve that is vital in Houstons offense is his blocking. I think he needs to be stronger in that area and more aggressive there. Swearinger even got him during the SC/Clemson game last year about Nuks lack of it and told him he's "going to get his RB killed" if he doesn't block better. But that is something that can be coached up and i think Nuk will work his butt off to improve int hat area. He's a coachable kid.

Even though i despise Clemson, i always give credit where credit is due and Hopkins is a heck of player. Great route runner, excellent hands, he'll fight for the ball, and he's excellent after the catch. Things i've witnessed first hand. I think he's just the type of WO the Texans were looking for to help their offense and feel pretty confident he won't let you or the organization down.

Anywho, looking forward to checking out the forum and following Nuk and Swearinger and Montgomery, who i was really hoping he would commit to South Carolina since he's from the area, careers and wish them all nothing but great success.
 
Swearinger said:
Howdy all. Just wanted to say as a die hard, long time Gamecocks fan living in Columbia SC, i think Houston got the best all around WR in the draft. Time will tell if that's true of course but i really think he is.

He's not a low 4.3 blazer like Austin as some of you already know by studying up on him, but he's fast enough to be a home run threat and make big plays. He does everything quite well and can do it in either the slot or as an outside #2 WR. Something Austin probably won't be able to do in the NFL (other than a returner of course) due to his small frame and small catch radius. Hopkins gives you more options and is more versatile for a wider variety of offensive packages.

My only knock or area where i think Nuk needs and can improve that is vital in Houstons offense is his blocking. I think he needs to be stronger in that area and more aggressive there. Swearinger even got him during the SC/Clemson game last year about Nuks lack of it and told him he's "going to get his RB killed" if he doesn't block better. But that is something that can be coached up and i think Nuk will work his butt off to improve int hat area. He's a coachable kid.

Even though i despise Clemson, i always give credit where credit is due and Hopkins is a heck of player. Great route runner, excellent hands, he'll fight for the ball, and he's excellent after the catch. Things i've witnessed first hand. I think he's just the type of WO the Texans were looking for to help their offense and feel pretty confident he won't let you or the organization down.

Anywho, looking forward to checking out the forum and following Nuk and Swearinger and Montgomery, who i was really hoping he would commit to South Carolina since he's from the area, careers and wish them all nothing but great success.
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Welcome to TexansTalk. Thanks for the input. Looking forward to seeing these guys in action.
 
76Texan said:
You're always good at going circular. :)

The facts still remain the same no matter how many speculations are out there.

I'd like to have a staff of closers like what the Patriots have.
They certainly were able to close a lot of deals on draft day.
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& this is the point. You're using supposition as "fact" & saying the Texans aren't doing their due diligence to make the most of the draft.

Even though it was presented that the Texans wanted a 4th

Maddict5 said:
fwiw i read peter kings article about the rams draft, the Texans are mentioned a few times...

apparently we offered to trade up to #22 with the rams for a 4th & 6th rder...but they accepted the falcons trade instead to trade down to #30 (for a 3rd and 7th)

later, the rams offered a 6th to move from #30 (after they had traded down from #22) to #27 which the Texans (obviously) rejected. rick wanted a 4th rder to do that trade
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This would suggest if the Patriots offered a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, & 7th they would have took it. Since they didn't trade away the 27th pick the most obvious conclusion was that it wasn't offered.

Yet you believe since the Vikings made that trade with New England, that offer was presented to the Texans & that's just not the case. 1+2 does not equal 5.

Now, if your criticism is that the Texans should have taken the Ram's offer, or that they should have been able to coax a 4th into the Ram's offer, then that's a different story.

Right now, the point is there is no evidence that the Vikings offered to trade up to 27.
 
Swearinger said:
He's not a low 4.3 blazer like Austin as some of you already know by studying up on him, but he's fast enough to be a home run threat and make big plays. He does everything quite well and can do it in either the slot or as an outside #2 WR. Something Austin probably won't be able to do in the NFL (other than a returner of course) due to his small frame and small catch radius. Hopkins gives you more options and is more versatile for a wider variety of offensive packages.
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I agree. He's like a better LeStar Jean. & we've seen Jean make a play or two.
 
Swearinger said:
Howdy all. Just wanted to say as a die hard, long time Gamecocks fan living in Columbia SC, i think Houston got the best all around WR in the draft. Time will tell if that's true of course but i really think he is.

He's not a low 4.3 blazer like Austin as some of you already know by studying up on him, but he's fast enough to be a home run threat and make big plays. He does everything quite well and can do it in either the slot or as an outside #2 WR. Something Austin probably won't be able to do in the NFL (other than a returner of course) due to his small frame and small catch radius. Hopkins gives you more options and is more versatile for a wider variety of offensive packages.

My only knock or area where i think Nuk needs and can improve that is vital in Houstons offense is his blocking. I think he needs to be stronger in that area and more aggressive there. Swearinger even got him during the SC/Clemson game last year about Nuks lack of it and told him he's "going to get his RB killed" if he doesn't block better. But that is something that can be coached up and i think Nuk will work his butt off to improve int hat area. He's a coachable kid.

Even though i despise Clemson, i always give credit where credit is due and Hopkins is a heck of player. Great route runner, excellent hands, he'll fight for the ball, and he's excellent after the catch. Things i've witnessed first hand. I think he's just the type of WO the Texans were looking for to help their offense and feel pretty confident he won't let you or the organization down.

Anywho, looking forward to checking out the forum and following Nuk and Swearinger and Montgomery, who i was really hoping he would commit to South Carolina since he's from the area, careers and wish them all nothing but great success.
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Welcome to the board.
Don't worry if it sounds like I'm ragging on Hopkins;
I'm not.
Even though I don't watch Clemson in person, I do have some 15-20 of his game tapes (as well as Swearinger and Montgomery, etc.)
I know about Hopkins' blocking, too.
I had posted about it, but he does have the body and the core strength to do the job.
Like you said, he just need to be coached up how to handle different types of defenders in different situations.
The same thing goes in the passing game, there's still a lot for him to learn.

He's a good play maker with many good attributes;
He just doesn't quite have the explosiveness of the top tier receiver.
However, if he dedicates himself, Hopkins can still turn himself into a number one receiver.

It was a difficult choice for me between him, Patterson and Hunter as each of them has his own attributes.
Hopkins is what I would call the safest bet when you take into account off-the-field conduct, and his overall demeanor.

As far as Swearinger is concerned, you may notice a lack of discussion about him.
The "residential" draftniks seem to have a concensus on him already, and there seems to be no protestor in the general populace either.

I have an eye on Jadeveon Clowney for a while already; how do you like him?
I think he will be a terror next year, most likely a top five pick, and maybe even the number one prospect.
 
thunderkyss said:
& this is the point. You're using supposition as "fact" & saying the Texans aren't doing their due diligence to make the most of the draft.

Even though it was presented that the Texans wanted a 4th


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This would suggest if the Patriots offered a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, & 7th they would have took it. Since they didn't trade away the 27th pick the most obvious conclusion was that it wasn't offered.

Yet you believe since the Vikings made that trade with New England, that offer was presented to the Texans & that's just not the case. 1+2 does not equal 5.

Now, if your criticism is that the Texans should have taken the Ram's offer, or that they should have been able to coax a 4th into the Ram's offer, then that's a different story.

Right now, the point is there is no evidence that the Vikings offered to trade up to 27.
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For the last time, TK.

The fact is that there was a trade; even if it wasn't offered, there was a possibility. At no point did I say that there was an offer made.

A good sales staff should work the phone hard and leave no stone unturned.
Work better with a solid plan so they can sniff out the lead before it even surfaces.
It goes far and beyond that, as I understand that coaches and GMs have their own little circles just like in any profession.
I'd like the Texans to have a "spy" in each of those circles. :)
 
76Texan said:
Welcome to the board.
Don't worry if it sounds like I'm ragging on Hopkins;
I'm not.
Even though I don't watch Clemson in person, I do have some 15-20 of his game tapes (as well as Swearinger and Montgomery, etc.)
I know about Hopkins' blocking, too.
I had posted about it, but he does have the body and the core strength to do the job.
Like you said, he just need to be coached up how to handle different types of defenders in different situations.
The same thing goes in the passing game, there's still a lot for him to learn.

He's a good play maker with many good attributes;
He just doesn't quite have the explosiveness of the top tier receiver.
However, if he dedicates himself, Hopkins can still turn himself into a number one receiver.

It was a difficult choice for me between him, Patterson and Hunter as each of them has his own attributes.
Hopkins is what I would call the safest bet when you take into account off-the-field conduct, and his overall demeanor.

As far as Swearinger is concerned, you may notice a lack of discussion about him.
The "residential" draftniks seem to have a concensus on him already, and there seems to be no protestor in the general populace either.

I have an eye on Jadeveon Clowney for a while already; how do you like him?
I think he will be a terror next year, most likely a top five pick, and maybe even the number one prospect.
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Sorry for the late response...

Yeah i think right out the box out of Hopkins, Patterson, and Hunter, Hopkins has the better "plug-n-play" potential. He's an exceptional route runner and knows how to seperate from defenders the best of the three IMO. I hate sounding like a broken record but that so key in transitioning to the next level. Followed closely by Hunter then Patterson who may have the most upside based off of his speed and athleticism. If Patterson can catch on to the NFL game, the skies the limit for that kid, he'll be special. But like you said they all bring their own attributes to the table. But i really think Hopkins is going to be a star in Houston's offense.

Clowney, man, what a special player. I'm so bias when it comes to him though. There were times last year when i had to keep reminding myself i was watching a 19 year old Sophomore. You may already have heard he's beefed up to 270ish now and still has his speed. 270 was his target weight for the coaching staff when they signed him and he's filled in quite nicely. The skies the limit for him. Around the middle to late last season Clowney really started to realize his potential and started playing harder late in games. There were times when he got a little lazy or lethargic and Whammy, the DC, challenged him. From the Florida game through to Michigan he played his tail off for 4 quarters and finished with a great season. Yeah, he should be even better this year. I'm certainly hoping so.

Top 5 pick seems to the consensus from most fans and draftniks, but i think him possibly going #1 will depend if that team with the first pick already has a Franchise QB playing for them you know? As much as i'm a fan of Clowney, i'm just as big a fan of Bridgewater. Kid's no bigger than a minute (skinny), but he's such a great passer. If he picks up where he left off last year, he'll most likely or should declare and be in the discussion for the top pick in the draft.
 
It's good talking to you, SC fan.
I like your take a lot.

Enjoy Clowney while you can.

I must admit that I haven't paid real close attention to Bridgewater yet.
I did watch him some, but it was still early for me to get into the nitty-gritty with the next class.

Good luck to the Gamecocks next season.
They are one of the SEC underdogs I normally cheer for.

Hope you come back during the season to check out your boy.
When he stinks up the join, you'd be sure to hear about it.

Just kidding!
 
Swearinger said:
Sorry for the late response...
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Say that reminds me......

Did you create an account on the boards of the other 6 teams that drafted a GameCock?

Or is there something special about the Texans?

Not that I mind, you're absolutely welcome here, we're glad to have you. You've already contributed quite a bit with your insight of the ACC/SEC

I'm just asking.
 
thunderkyss said:
Say that reminds me......

Did you create an account on the boards of the other 6 teams that drafted a GameCock?

Or is there something special about the Texans?

Not that I mind, you're absolutely welcome here, we're glad to have you. You've already contributed quite a bit with your insight of the ACC/SEC

I'm just asking.
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Here and a 9er board, and eventually i'll check out a Jags board to see some thoughts on Ace Sanders.

I was curious what 9er nation thoughts were on getting Lattimore. I have so much respect for him and what he's done for a football program trying to make a name for themselves. Latti and Swearinger are right up their as two of my all time favorite Gamecocks, so those were the only two i've followed so far.

I have a lot of respect for the Texans organization. McNair being a former SC alum, and i'm a fan of Kubs as well. I've been meaning to sign up here for a while but just got lazy about it. Swearinger coming here was the final straw.

FWIW, i like the atmosphere here better. No knock on 9er fans. Just diffrent strokes for diffrent folks.
 
76Texan said:
It's good talking to you, SC fan.
I like your take a lot.

Enjoy Clowney while you can.

I must admit that I haven't paid real close attention to Bridgewater yet.
I did watch him some, but it was still early for me to get into the nitty-gritty with the next class.

Good luck to the Gamecocks next season.
They are one of the SEC underdogs I normally cheer for.

Hope you come back during the season to check out your boy.
When he stinks up the join, you'd be sure to hear about it.

Just kidding!
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Yeah, i'm going to soak him up as much as possible. It's been too long since we're had any DLine talent like him come through. Not since John Abraham and that was over a decade ago.

Really looking forward to seeing what Hopkins can do. The jump he made from his Soph. season to his Jr. season was huge. With Watkins suspended early, battling an illness at one point, then getting dinged up, Nuk needed to step up and be the go to guy early and often. He did, and he never stopped.
 
Swearinger said:
Really looking forward to seeing what Hopkins can do. The jump he made from his Soph. season to his Jr. season was huge. With Watkins suspended early, battling an illness at one point, then getting dinged up, Nuk needed to step up and be the go to guy early and often. He did, and he never stopped.
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I'm glad to have you here. Hoping to see your takes throughout the NFL and college football season. I'll be especially looking for your analysis on Clemson, and South Carolina when I am unable to watch them. I can tell that you watch both teams pretty closely.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I'm glad to have you here. Hoping to see your takes throughout the NFL and college football season. I'll be especially looking for your analysis on Clemson, and South Carolina when I am unable to watch them. I can tell that you watch both teams pretty closely.
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Thanks. I'm taking it from your username you're a FSU fan?

I'm a HUGE college football fan in general.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Yep, Florida State. I also watch alot of ACC in general.
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Jumbo is doing a heck of a job, especially recruiting. Not that FSU ever hurt in that department. But it seems to be picking up even more for y'all. Too bad for the rest of us trying to pry talent from Florida.

Sorry to get off subject folks.
 
Uh..... why does our guy look like a midget?

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Not that there's anything wrong with midgets, but dammmmmmmn Hunter is tall.
 
Lucky said:
The Rose Bowl.
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Thanks much for the reply. I was thrown there 'cause I didn't recognize the stadium but he was wearing his Texans jersey.

That was a sick, effortless one handed fluid catch! Can't wait to see my choice for the #1 pick in action. He is gonna kick some ass! Glad to see AJ finally get some help!
 
That high release makes me think that one bounced to the plate?

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Rey said:
No one is at the game....
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Everyone is watching from home...wait they can't.

Baseball season has started?

I guess the 3 people on the 'stros mailing list showed up for Nuk.

I would have went to see him and the snow cones.
 
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Wonder when the first time someone legally takes Hopkins down by his hair..........and he takes the hint that having a shaved head as a wide receiver could be more advantageous?:kitten:
 
Oddly enough if you google dreadlocks WR this image comes up. Figured someone would want to tackle her.

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More seriously, this guy seems to do pretty well when he has a QB:

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