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19 yds rushing on 14 attempts

infantrycak

infantrycak

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Someone please, please explain again how we have a pretty good rushing game.

Oh and by the way--Dexter McCleon needs to be put out to pasture as a DB and there is no NO excuse for not signing Troy Vincent or Derrick Strait or someone else this week. Pathetic.
 
I believe all thoughts of us having any kind of running game (good, bad, "other") are out the window. We might as well not even have any running backs on our roster. Why waste the space? We could line any one of our TE's back there and get these results.

As for signing of other players I am at a complete loss. Apparently any bum who played for Denver once or who Gary thinks is "one of his guys" )or Sherm's) can get a job (Hey, they'll even cut one of the current stiffs to make room) but free agents that could actually improve our circumstances aren't worth looking at.
 
I'll continue to support GK.

But at the same time, I am seriously questioning some of the decision making that is going on now. Having a back that takes what seems like five seconds to hit the line is getting stale.
 
I want at least a story that Houston tried to sign Vincent. Otherwise I am giving the big middle finger. Still a fan, still buy seats, not quiting, but that is my feedback.
 
infantrycak said:
I want at least a story that Houston tried to sign Vincent. Otherwise I am giving the big middle finger. Still a fan, still buy seats, not quiting, but that is my feedback.
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I heard on the radio last week that the Texans had no interest in Vincent.
 
Our offensive line played like a bunch of panzies...Our inability to run the ball was a huge factor in this loss.

I don't care what scheme they try to use and I have said this before *You just can't polish a turd*

I think we all see now how important some kind of running game is!!!
 
Maurice Jones Drew. Very late 2nd round, the steal of the draft. Imagine if Bush had 2 games of 2tds like drew does. Espn would explode.
 
infantrycak said:
Someone please, please explain again how we have a pretty good rushing game.

Oh and by the way--Dexter McCleon needs to be put out to pasture as a DB and there is no NO excuse for not signing Troy Vincent or Derrick Strait or someone else this week. Pathetic.
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cak, I'm stealing part your words for a quote.
 
What I don't get even as a huge Domanick Davis fan was that we all knew he was a liability coming into the season. Yet... even with that in mind and the # of backs that were available around, we didn't try to get anybody until Gado and Jacobs. Now if someone can explain this logic to me then I'm quite willing to listen, because I know we have other guys we can use that we have drafted. But why did we not seem to go after a name RB...why???
 
Was it just me or did the backs seem like they were running in slow motion today at Dallas?

I mean it took forever for them to get to the line of scrimmage...

With this running game and collection of backs, we will never get to where we want to be. I have been saying this for a long time now and have received so many neg reps it's not even funny.

But the running game is BROKE, period. It must be addressed in the 07 draft with the first pick, not try and find a bloomer in the 2nd to 7th rounds. We have tried that every year now and look were we are. The time is now my friends, The hub has no wheels...
 
Lee Suggs is sitting out there but evidently along with the CB thumb, the RB thumb is stuck squarely in a sphincter.
 
J-Storm said:
What I don't get even as a huge Domanick Davis fan was that we all knew he was a liability coming into the season. Yet... even with that in mind and the # of backs that were available around, we didn't try to get anybody until Gado and Jacobs. Now if someone can explain this logic to me then I'm quite willing to listen, because I know we have other guys we can use that we have drafted. But why did we not seem to go after a name RB...why???
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We acctually tried to trade up for DeAngelo Williams on draft day, but it didnt happen. Its hard to tell exactly who's at fault, but its looking like both the line and the backs are screwing up pretty badly.
 
infantrycak said:
I want at least a story that Houston tried to sign Vincent. Otherwise I am giving the big middle finger. Still a fan, still buy seats, not quiting, but that is my feedback.
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I'm still trying to figure out why Kubiak said-virtually from day one-we had 'no problrms' with our RBs or DBs---saying this even when it was clear that Davis may be out...what was he thinking?
:yahoo:
 
infantrycak said:
Lee Suggs is sitting out there but evidently along with the CB thumb, the RB thumb is stuck squarely in a sphincter.
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I am with you, you can't tell me there isn't someone out there that would help this team.. and also one that we would sign for the league minimum
 
run-david-run said:
We acctually tried to trade up for DeAngelo Williams on draft day, but it didnt happen. Its hard to tell exactly who's at fault, but its looking like both the line and the backs are screwing up pretty badly.
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I don't blame the line at all after what I saw on TV. Exactly how long do they need to open a hole up and HOLD it for peeks sake? I mean come on, we have 0 speed in the backfield right now. And don't even get me started on the DB's, that is another thread...
 
run-david-run said:
Its hard to tell exactly who's at fault, but its looking like both the line and the backs are screwing up pretty badly.
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I agree. They line is doing better at protecting DC so far but they can't seem to open up the run game. And the backs aren't helping by being so dern slow.
 
infantrycak said:
Someone please, please explain again how we have a pretty good rushing game.

Oh and by the way--Dexter McCleon needs to be put out to pasture as a DB and there is no NO excuse for not signing Troy Vincent or Derrick Strait or someone else this week. Pathetic.
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I'll point out that Dallas has a highly ranked run defense. OUr pretty good run game didn't have a chance today. if we only ran the ball 14 times, for the entire game, we played right into their hands.

It's not only about gaining yards, yes that is a big part of it, but it's also about keeping the other team off balanced.

We need to improve our running game, that ain't no lie, but dedicated to the run game, and 14 carries a game is an oxymoron...... it don't work like that, and it won't work like that.

Just like the Miami game, where our run game kept us on the field, and them off the filed, & kept David from trying to win the game with 4776 pass attempts.

I will say for the way this offensive line is playing, that Dayne & Gado aren't fast enough to be of any use to us. at the same time, Mariion Barber would be having a hard time. If Kubiak is going to make our running game work, he's going to have to activate Lundy, and live with it.
 
Ron Dayne sucks. Suckon Nogain sucks, too. Why trade away our only explosive back for a slightly less fat Ron Dayne? Ray Charles had better vision than those 2 combined.
 
I'm going to make this short and sweet.

The running backs are not the problem.

Did anyone see any holes being opened on any of those running plays?
 
J-Storm said:
What I don't get even as a huge Domanick Davis fan was that we all knew he was a liability coming into the season. Yet... even with that in mind and the # of backs that were available around, we didn't try to get anybody until Gado and Jacobs. Now if someone can explain this logic to me then I'm quite willing to listen, because I know we have other guys we can use that we have drafted. But why did we not seem to go after a name RB...why???
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They felt really good about Lundy in TC, and the preseason. Then after a bad half in philly, they just flip-flopped on him, and won't even activate him for a game.


That says something about our running game, when David goes against a stout Defense, not get sacked, and nobody is happy about it.
 
Ron Dayne before today was 35 in rushing yards in the NFL.

Does anyone out there know were we can find a RB?????????????
 
Plenty of opportunities for them to bounce it outside and gain some yards. The only thing bouncing were Ron Dayne's man boobs.
 
tsip said:
I'm still trying to figure out why Kubiak said-virtually from day one-we had 'no problrms' with our RBs or DBs---saying this even when it was clear that Davis may be out...what was he thinking?
:yahoo:
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we might not have had any problems when he said it. what happened is we dont have the guys he was talking about. none of the running backs from training camp & preseason are playing. this is poor management, to put it lightly. lundy's on the bench, morency's in green bay, taylor's on the practice squad, DD's on injured reserve, and antwain smith didnt make the team.

all of which are typical denver backs. instead we have green bay "power i" runningbacks.

that being said, our offensive line is still horrible (we have ALWAYS been a pathetic run blocking team, despite DD's relative success) and it's not all the backs' fault. if mckinney or weigert make our roster next season, i'll (as one of kubiak's biggest promoters) be first in line to scream for new management.
 
infantrycak said:
Lee Suggs is sitting out there but evidently along with the CB thumb, the RB thumb is stuck squarely in a sphincter.
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Lee Suggs is an injury waiting to happen. Last 3-4 yrs he has spent alot of time on IR list. Would not want him around here. We have enough stiffs running around in the backfield as it is, dont want another.
 
CC Brown just sucks! How does Troy Vincent or Carroll, or Strait sit out there without jobs, But 6th rd pick CC Brown has one............Look I understand the past coaches and GM have ruined our drafts beyond belief, but...........................This Organization is finding it hard to cheer for them.:crying:
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
Yes, in the 1st round of the 07 draft...
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Marcus said:
I'm going to make this short and sweet.

The running backs are not the problem.

Did anyone see any holes being opened on any of those running plays?
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Hard to tell with TV angles, but the amount of push that the defenses are getting doesn't look great for the Texans.

It can't help that it just seems as though one-cut running means run up the back of your linemens' legs.

Just arbitrarily picking numbers based on what I've seen in the games so far, I think it is 70/30 percent on the run blocking/running back responsibility on this. Pass blocking has looked better, but I think that is partially due to having plays that have more options to throw to.
 
Koolbrz said:
Lee Suggs is an injury waiting to happen. Last 3-4 yrs he has spent alot of time on IR list. Would not want him around here. We have enough stiffs running around in the backfield as it is, dont want another.
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That's nice, but you know what--he made as many yards from his couch to his beer cooler today as the Texans RB's did and probably in less attempts.
 
Marcus said:
I'm going to make this short and sweet.

The running backs are not the problem.

Did anyone see any holes being opened on any of those running plays?
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Holes may not have been there, but there was plenty of running room to the outside. Then again with the type of speed Dayne and Gado have it would not have worked out for us either. We seriously need an upgrade at the RB position. No excuses from me anymore, our backs freakin sux!!!
 
TexansJunkE said:
CC Brown just sucks! How does Troy Vincent or Carroll, or Strait sit out there without jobs, But 6th rd pick CC Brown has one............Look I understand the past coaches and GM have ruined our drafts beyond belief, but...........................This Organization is finding it hard to cheer for them.:crying:
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Technically speaking, CC was the Texans top tackler today. Don't want that to be your safety, but it is what it is.
 
infantrycak said:
That's nice, but you know what--he made as many yards from his couch to his beer cooler today as the Texans RB's did and probably in less attempts.
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Okay, lets pick him up and lets let him get injured and then we will have another back on the roster that is not contributing. Sounds like a plan dude. If he was that good he would be playing somewhere today, dont you think??
 
Marcus said:
I'm going to make this short and sweet.

The running backs are not the problem.

Did anyone see any holes being opened on any of those running plays?
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It looks like maybe 3 of us on this board are seeing this. The popular consensus around here seems to be that the RBs are the problem.

Dayne got 98 yards with a long of 55 last year on the Dallas D. The Cowboys defense isn't that much different than it was last year.

Maybe you guys see holes, but I don't.
 
Koolbrz said:
Holes may not have been there, but there was plenty of running room to the outside. Then again with the type of speed Dayne and Gado have it would not have worked out for us either. We seriously need an upgrade at the RB position. No excuses from me anymore, our backs freakin sux!!!
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If the play call is an inside run then it is an inside run. One of the few good Dayne runs was in the first quarter to the outside.

The stuffing is so bad, I am starting to wonder if there is any telegraphing of the plays or if it is just bad. I am thinking it is just bad, but you never know.

I didn't notice any of that Power I stuff today--did I miss it?
 
Picking up Lee Suggs would have been like using those free cologne samples in magazines before a hot date .... very little investment involved, but it could result in a huge score afterwards. If you don't score, so what, you didn't spend that much and you've got some money left over for a couple DVD's and some beer to ease your pain.
 
Marcus said:
I'm going to make this short and sweet.

The running backs are not the problem.

Did anyone see any holes being opened on any of those running plays?
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Yes it is, there are holes, but they do close faster BECAUSE our RBs are too slow to it them..........Do we have a gamebreaker our even a guy that can take it the distance? NO!
 
Texans_Chick said:
If the play call is an inside run then it is an inside run. One of the few good Dayne runs was in the first quarter to the outside.

The stuffing is so bad, I am starting to wonder if there is any telegraphing of the plays or if it is just bad. I am thinking it is just bad, but you never know.

I didn't notice any of that Power I stuff today--did I miss it?
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I look at it this way, if a call is made to run inside and a hole is not there, you dont run right up your linemans azz!!! You try and bounce to the outside. Make something out of nothing. Even if its for a 3-4 yd pick up. Hell i'll take that over our less than 2 ypc. I know football and we do not have a running game.
 
The Texans are in a conundrum that seemingly has no solution. As someone said earlier, you cannot abandon the running game and no team has been successful without a credible running threat. Yet, it is maddening to watch a team run the ball on third down when they clearly have shown they can't do it. So, what do you do? Do you run the ball 25-30 times a game and gain 40 yards or do you bite the bullet and start chucking 50-60 times a game?

I liked what I saw from Ryans and Williams today, but this secondary is sub-par. I'm at a loss on the offensive line.
 
Texans_Chick said:
Technically speaking, CC was the Texans top tackler today. Don't want that to be your safety, but it is what it is.
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So What! That just means that the bums in front of him( Ryans not included in that) are not getting off blocks. Tell me when he has made a play or INT? I'll wait for your response:cool:
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
But the running game is BROKE, period. It must be addressed in the 07 draft with the first pick, not try and find a bloomer in the 2nd to 7th rounds. We have tried that every year now and look were we are. The time is now my friends, The hub has no wheels...
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over the coarse of this season, our QB has been sacked 15 times in just 5 games, that # is still way too high.

to help our offense the most, we need to get soe better gaurds, and a better center in here.
 
thunderkyss said:
over the coarse of this season, our QB has been sacked 15 times in just 5 games, that # is still way too high.

to help our offense the most, we need to get soe better gaurds, and a better center in here.
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Why? So another bumbling back can run over there leg and break it too?

The line was not the problem, the speed, or lack of is the problem in the backfield. Let's just agree that we disagree...
 
Man i blame the play on both the offensive line and the running backs i watched the line practicually the whole game and they didn't make not one hole it, and the running backs made me even more angry they would run into the middle with no hole, they were running into the offensive line we have no speed running back they just look dumb out there
 
barzilla said:
The Texans are in a conundrum that seemingly has no solution. As someone said earlier, you cannot abandon the running game and no team has been successful without a credible running threat. Yet, it is maddening to watch a team run the ball on third down when they clearly have shown they can't do it. So, what do you do? Do you run the ball 25-30 times a game and gain 40 yards or do you bite the bullet and start chucking 50-60 times a game?
I liked what I saw from Ryans and Williams today, but this secondary is sub-par. I'm at a loss on the offensive line.
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In this league you cannot be one dimensional & still expect to win games. With that, we are coming into games one dimensional, teams know we can't run so they don't really make any strides to try & stop our run.
 
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