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#12

#12

  • Jalen Carter DL

    Votes: 1 3.8%

  • Tyree Wilson ED

    Votes: 6 23.1%

  • Paris Johnson OT

    Votes: 1 3.8%

  • Joey Porter CB

    Votes: 1 3.8%

  • Miles Murphy ED

    Votes: 2 7.7%

  • Bijan Robinson RB

    Votes: 4 15.4%

  • Peter Skoronski OT

    Votes: 1 3.8%

  • Quentin Johnson WR

    Votes: 3 11.5%

  • Lukas Van Ness ED

    Votes: 3 11.5%

  • Jaxon Smith-Njigba WR

    Votes: 4 15.4%
  • Total voters
    26
  • Poll closed .
Texansphan

Texansphan

Football connoisseur
I think it is a 75% certainty that Texans take a QB at #2 so I have omitted any QBs from this poll.
So for the sake of interest, I thought it might be time, post combine and through most of the first wave of FA, to see who we all think Texans now take at #12.
I'm not putting the trade down option in here purely for the sake of pinpointing who we think Texans have highest at #12 on their board.
Obviously, all bets are off if they go Will Anderson at #2.
 
Johnson just because we really need a #1 but man Carter would be hard to pass but probably not "Texans worthy". Bijan would be great but #12 feels to high for a RB these days.

I've seen the DL kid from Clemson at #12 for us also, Bresee?
 
Bijan is the highest rated on the board. Carter is off the board. I don't think they have any interest at CB early. If Tunsil is dealt, a LT like Paris Johnson moves up. Quentin Johnston is the best fit for WCO WR. Wilson would be the highest rated DL, but Van Ness the most likely on the board.

In other words, a great spot to trade down.
 
I chose Van Ness because I think there’s little chance Tyree Wilson makes it to 12. Heck if he gets to 6-8 range i’d want to trade up and get him!

But Van Ness is an athletic high motor edge rusher who can also play inside. When he learns more pass rush moves he will be a nasty force.
 
Lucky said:
Bijan is the highest rated on the board. Carter is off the board. I don't think they have any interest at CB early. If Tunsil is dealt, a LT like Paris Johnson moves up. Quentin Johnston is the best fit for WCO WR. Wilson would be the highest rated DL, but Van Ness the most likely on the board.

In other words, a great spot to trade down.
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I'm betting Carter slides so I couldn't leave him off this list.
CB is tricky. If they feel Stingley might be limited in any way whatsoever, they might consider one in the draft. There are several that could rate highly for them but I don't know who they consider a fit. Gonzalez might be there as well as Witherspoon.
If they end up with Stroud at #2, then Njigba comes into consideration.
Agree with Van Ness.
 
Texazan said:
Johnson just because we really need a #1 but man Carter would be hard to pass but probably not "Texans worthy". Bijan would be great but #12 feels to high for a RB these days.

I've seen the DL kid from Clemson at #12 for us also, Bresee?
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Yes, Bresee would not surprise me here - I just see him ranked a little bit further down around the 20 mark.
 
Texazan said:
Bijan would be great but #12 feels to high for a RB these days.
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I don't agree with that as an across the board hard and fast rule. I think it depends on the RB and the situation of the team considering him.

Bijan is a great example of a back I believe is worthy of that spot - for the right team, of course. If Buffalo, because of some trade whenever, were in that spot it would make perfect sense. But this year's Texans, no matter how enticing Robinson might be, not so much.
 
I voted Myles Murphy just to mess with SteelB.

But seriously, I'm not against most of those guys. I'd be totally happy with almost any of these guys, but I'm not expecting us to go OT and I'm not expecting us to go with Jalen Carter at this point.
 
Lucky said:
Bijan is the highest rated on the board. Carter is off the board. I don't think they have any interest at CB early. If Tunsil is dealt, a LT like Paris Johnson moves up. Quentin Johnston is the best fit for WCO WR. Wilson would be the highest rated DL, but Van Ness the most likely on the board.

In other words, a great spot to trade down.
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I assumed OP meant that IF ALL these guys were still there who you like? If Carter is there you have no interest? I do but I our history says we won’t go there
 
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Marcus said:
What rounds would the Hooker / Hyatt connection fall to satisfy the your draft position? And would they be there when it’s their turn to pick?
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I’m moving the #2 pick which should supply some additional RD2 and RD3 picks. If the Colts got antsy enough about their next QB….I’d fleece their arses in a heartbeat. I believe that 4 pick could go right back into play for the next team that would have to move up. I truly believe Hyatt will be a mid to late RD1 pick and I wouldn’t screw around in securing Hooker, so he’d be an early RD2 pick.
 
Texazan said:
I assumed OP meant that IF ALL these guys were still there who you like? If Carter is there you have no interest? I do but I our history says we won’t go there
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Off the Texans board. Sorry that I didn't clarify.
 
Seems like Jaxon Smith-Njigba ran a 40-yard dash in the low 4.5 range. That's a good time for him.

Play speed is bigger than track speed for him, and that's still far from a terrible time. He's WR1; don't overthink it.
 
Getting a little closer to the draft (T=24 days), I'm taking a look at players that won't, might, and will be available at #12.

Won't be there at #12 (6)
CJ Stroud
Bryce Young
Will Anderson
Anthony Richardson
Tyree Wilson
Christian Gonzalez

Not saying that these will be the top 6 players, necessarily. Just that these players are certain to go in the top 11, or sooner.

Might be there at #12 (10)
Jalen Carter
Bijan Robinson
Nolan Smith
Peter Skoronski
Will Levis
Lukas Van Ness
Devon Witherspoon
Paris Johnson
Myles Murphy
Broderick Jones

Will be available at #12, no chance at #33 (6)
Jaxon Smith-Njibga
Quentin Johnston
Bryan Bresee
Calijah Kancey
Deonte Banks
Joey Porter, Jr.

9 other players will go before pick #33, but it gets tricky trying to determine whom they might be.

So, 3 options for the Texans. Trade up for one of the players the Texans don't select at #2 (or trade up to #1)? Sit tight at #12 and take BPA? Or trade down to a point where the Texans can still get a difference maker?
 
Lucky said:
Getting a little closer to the draft (T=24 days), I'm taking a look at players that won't, might, and will be available at #12.

Won't be there at #12 (6)
CJ Stroud
Bryce Young
Will Anderson
Anthony Richardson
Tyree Wilson
Christian Gonzalez

Not saying that these will be the top 6 players, necessarily. Just that these players are certain to go in the top 11, or sooner.

Might be there at #12 (10)
Jalen Carter
Bijan Robinson
Nolan Smith
Peter Skoronski
Will Levis
Lukas Van Ness
Devon Witherspoon
Paris Johnson
Myles Murphy
Broderick Jones

Will be available at #12, no chance at #33 (6)
Jaxon Smith-Njibga
Quentin Johnston
Bryan Bresee
Calijah Kancey
Deonte Banks
Joey Porter, Jr.

9 other players will go before pick #33, but it gets tricky trying to determine whom they might be.

So, 3 options for the Texans. Trade up for one of the players the Texans don't select at #2 (or trade up to #1)? Sit tight at #12 and take BPA? Or trade down to a point where the Texans can still get a difference maker?
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I just don't see Texans trading up to #1. I can see them trading up from #12 in a certain scenario.
They might trade back from #12 but it is difficult to see who and why. It might take a couple of other trades and/or a player or two sliding a bit.
 
Texansphan said:
I just don't see Texans trading up to #1. I can see them trading up from #12 in a certain scenario.
They might trade back from #12 but it is difficult to see who and why. It might take a couple of other trades and/or a player or two sliding a bit.
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I can't see Carolina trying to hold a gun to the Texans head on the #1 pick. Either they end up taking the player the Texans want most, or they don't.

Trading back up seems tricky. Anderson would be the only target that would make sense. And there could be a lot of competition to make that pick, wherever it may happen. I could see the Texans liking Tyree Wilson, but not enough to trade a lot of draft capital to move up for.

I can see the possibility of the Texans pick @ #12 having some value for teams looking to trade up. Specifically, if there is an OT on the board and teams fear the Jets taking the player (if the Jets still have that pick). Even if it were the Pats just moving up two spots. The Packers, Commanders, Steelers, and Bucs could also be looking at OT. Otherwise, I don't see #12 becoming a real hot spot.
 
Lucky said:
I can see the possibility of the Texans pick @ #12 having some value for teams looking to trade up. Specifically, if there is an OT on the board and teams fear the Jets taking the player (if the Jets still have that pick). Even if it were the Pats just moving up two spots. The Packers, Commanders, Steelers, and Bucs could also be looking at OT. Otherwise, I don't see #12 becoming a real hot spot.
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On draft night, if I'm the Texans, I'll telling all kinds of lies on the Jets and Patriots so I can add more picks unless someone that was expected to go top 5 slides to 12 (minus Carter, I wasn't a big fan before the negative news).
 
If we stay at 1.2 and get the QB we wanted all along, which I believe we will, and there are 3-4 players we like at 1.12 I could see us trading down a couple of spots (NE) and picking up more 3rd round capital. Similar to last year but making a better choice.
 
Here's an interesting article on The Athletic site from the Steelers perspective on trading up from #17. One scenario included trading up to #12.

Trade-up 2: No. 12 from the Texans
The deal:

  • Steelers get: No. 12
  • Steelers give: Nos. 17, 80 (third round), 120 (fourth)
Why it works: For the Steelers, this might be the perfect sweet spot in the trade-up scenario. They’d jump ahead of the Patriots (14) and Commanders (16), two teams that should be very interested in corners and tackles. But this wouldn’t cost nearly as much as trading with the Bears.

The Texans are expected to select a quarterback with the No. 2 pick. Considering they have won just 15 games in the past three seasons combined, they could be interested in adding picks to address more of their numerous needs. Should the Texans trade back to 17, they might still have their choice of a top wide receiver to pair with their new QB, or several options on the defensive front.

The cost: This would actually be a narrow Steelers win via the Johnson chart (2.4 percent) but would be much friendlier to the Texans on the Hill chart: Pick No. 80 alone would give Houston a 9.6 percent edge, and No. 120 would push it to 58.8 percent. Like his former boss in New England, Texans GM Nick Caserio has been an active trader, so he should be open to a deal.
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I like this deal for two reasons. One, the Texans should still be able to find a WR or edge rusher at #17. Maybe not their top choice, but an immediate contributor. Two, getting an extra 3rd and 4th would allow Caserio to make a similar move back into the 2nd round as the 2021 Metchie selection. Nick used a pick near the top of the 3rd, along with 2 4ths, to get to #44. The Texans would have picks in the same area after this mock Steeler trade. The Saints at #40 would likely be receptive to a 3 for 1 pick trade in order to fill their roster.

I think the top 50 is the sweet spot for this draft. After 50, the talent pool takes a dip for the better prospects. Looking at WR, Edge, and C, three top 50 picks could reel in very good players at those positions. The Texans would still have 2 3rd rounders in order to maneuver to recoup the 4th rounder.

Possible picks post trades:

1.17: Quentin Johnson, Jaxon Smith-Njibga, Nolan Smith, Keion White
2.33: John Michael Schmitz, Isaiah Foskey, Felix Anodike-Uzomah, Zay Flowers
2.40: Joe Tippmann, Yaya Diaby, Rashee Rice, Cedic Tillman
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
On draft night, if I'm the Texans, I'll telling all kinds of lies on the Jets and Patriots so I can add more picks unless someone that was expected to go top 5 slides to 12 (minus Carter, I wasn't a big fan before the negative news).
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Agreed. My preference is to trade back a couple of spots and pick up an additional 3rd +. With the 14ish pick, take the best edge rusher or D-lineman available (sans Carter) - Myles Murphy, Nolan Smith or Calijah Kancy should be available and they are all difference makers.
I believe there are several good WR's that will be available in round 3 and later, but the good edge rushers will go early. Marvin Mims, Cedric Tillman, Rashee Rice, Tyler Scott, Jonathan Mingo... should be there.
 
Lucky said:
Here's an interesting article on The Athletic site from the Steelers perspective on trading up from #17. One scenario included trading up to #12.



I like this deal for two reasons. One, the Texans should still be able to find a WR or edge rusher at #17. Maybe not their top choice, but an immediate contributor. Two, getting an extra 3rd and 4th would allow Caserio to make a similar move back into the 2nd round as the 2021 Metchie selection. Nick used a pick near the top of the 3rd, along with 2 4ths, to get to #44. The Texans would have picks in the same area after this mock Steeler trade. The Saints at #40 would likely be receptive to a 3 for 1 pick trade in order to fill their roster.

I think the top 50 is the sweet spot for this draft. After 50, the talent pool takes a dip for the better prospects. Looking at WR, Edge, and C, three top 50 picks could reel in very good players at those positions. The Texans would still have 2 3rd rounders in order to maneuver to recoup the 4th rounder.

Possible picks post trades:

1.17: Quentin Johnson, Jaxon Smith-Njibga, Nolan Smith, Keion White
2.33: John Michael Schmitz, Isaiah Foskey, Felix Anodike-Uzomah, Zay Flowers
2.40: Joe Tippmann, Yaya Diaby, Rashee Rice, Cedic Tillman
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Why are you acting like the Metchie trade back up and giving up picks was a good move? Pickens or even Pierce were the better choices at their spot than giving up draft picks to get Metchie imo.
 
Lucky said:
I’m saying it would be a similar trade in draft value, the Jimmy Johnson table. Said nothing about whether that particular trade was good.
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Gotcha! On a team void of talent like the Texans were the last 2 seasons, they should've or need to have as many rookies on the team as possible. If you have 12 picks, use at least 10 maybe 12. Last season, the draft was chock full of talent in the 4th rd.
 
leebigeztx said:
Gotcha! On a team void of talent like the Texans were the last 2 seasons, they should've or need to have as many rookies on the team as possible. If you have 12 picks, use at least 10 maybe 12. Last season, the draft was chock full of talent in the 4th rd.
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Agreed. Trader Nick sometimes gets too cute with trading draft capital to move up a couple of spots for a player they target. Nothing wrong with going after the player you covet, as long as it's good value and the player performs. I just haven't seen that from his trade-ups yet.
Houston Texans - Future Draft Picks | Fanspo
 
Lucky said:
Here's an interesting article on The Athletic site from the Steelers perspective on trading up from #17. One scenario included trading up to #12.



I like this deal for two reasons. One, the Texans should still be able to find a WR or edge rusher at #17. Maybe not their top choice, but an immediate contributor. Two, getting an extra 3rd and 4th would allow Caserio to make a similar move back into the 2nd round as the 2021 Metchie selection. Nick used a pick near the top of the 3rd, along with 2 4ths, to get to #44. The Texans would have picks in the same area after this mock Steeler trade. The Saints at #40 would likely be receptive to a 3 for 1 pick trade in order to fill their roster.

I think the top 50 is the sweet spot for this draft. After 50, the talent pool takes a dip for the better prospects. Looking at WR, Edge, and C, three top 50 picks could reel in very good players at those positions. The Texans would still have 2 3rd rounders in order to maneuver to recoup the 4th rounder.

Possible picks post trades:

1.17: Quentin Johnson, Jaxon Smith-Njibga, Nolan Smith, Keion White
2.33: John Michael Schmitz, Isaiah Foskey, Felix Anodike-Uzomah, Zay Flowers
2.40: Joe Tippmann, Yaya Diaby, Rashee Rice, Cedic Tillman
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Trading the pick back for the #17 and two mid-round picks (3rd & 4th) is likely the Texans best policy IMO given how
at this stage of our rebuild volume of picks is more important than fewer higher picks, i.e., we need lots of help which calls for lots of Draft picks.
 
Lucky said:
Here's an interesting article on The Athletic site from the Steelers perspective on trading up from #17. One scenario included trading up to #12.



I like this deal for two reasons. One, the Texans should still be able to find a WR or edge rusher at #17. Maybe not their top choice, but an immediate contributor. Two, getting an extra 3rd and 4th would allow Caserio to make a similar move back into the 2nd round as the 2021 Metchie selection. Nick used a pick near the top of the 3rd, along with 2 4ths, to get to #44. The Texans would have picks in the same area after this mock Steeler trade. The Saints at #40 would likely be receptive to a 3 for 1 pick trade in order to fill their roster.

I think the top 50 is the sweet spot for this draft. After 50, the talent pool takes a dip for the better prospects. Looking at WR, Edge, and C, three top 50 picks could reel in very good players at those positions. The Texans would still have 2 3rd rounders in order to maneuver to recoup the 4th rounder.

Possible picks post trades:

1.17: Quentin Johnson, Jaxon Smith-Njibga, Nolan Smith, Keion White
2.33: John Michael Schmitz, Isaiah Foskey, Felix Anodike-Uzomah, Zay Flowers
2.40: Joe Tippmann, Yaya Diaby, Rashee Rice, Cedic Tillman
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I’d take that deal quick!
 
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