Not with the top pick, though. If you don't believe there is franchise QB in this year's draft, then why should QB take priority?
Tom Brady?? Really? Let's see now. What round was he drafted in again?
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Not with the top pick, though. If you don't believe there is franchise QB in this year's draft, then why should QB take priority?
Tom Brady?? Really? Let's see now. What round was he drafted in again?
JCTexan
Hall of Fame
But if you think someone is a franchise QB (Bridgewater/Bortles), then why hesitate to take them at 1.1?
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Because some guy on the internet says Cleveland will give up 3 1sts for the 1.1 pick! Think of all the other holes we could fill with that!
And there it is . . .
If you think someone is a franchise QB, then you take at 1.1. And if you don't, you don't.
And I don't, so I won't.
Didn't you just love riding the merry-go-round when you were a kid? Because that's exactly what this is. A big merry-to-round. Round and round and round we go.
Weeeeeeee!!!!
MistaRed
Rookie
Please stop with the Tom Brady draft arguement. Can you possibly find elite talent in the lower round? Yes but it's not likely. Like other posters have mentioned, with the first pick you draft the guy you have rated highest. If it just so happens to be a position of need you kill 2 birds with one stone.
JCTexan
Hall of Fame
And there it is . . .
If you think someone is a franchise QB, then you take at 1.1. And if you don't, you don't.
And I don't, so I won't.
Didn't you just love riding the merry-go-round when you were a kid? Because that's exactly what this is. A big merry-to-round. Round and round and round we go.
Weeeeeeee!!!!
lol so we're agreed then. If I thought there was only one franchise QB in this upcoming draft I wouldn't hesitate to select him #1 overall. I wouldn't care if it was Bridgewater, Bortles or Mettenberger.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
As I per through the playoffs via afc, I'm trying to find a great trench team. The best trench team in the afc is probably cincy. Of the 6, luck,manning,smith,and rivers were drafted in the top 4.
Who is then? Clowney? Matthews?
What do you do when the BPA isn't worth a 1-1?
Hopefully, the answer is trade back.
Blake
MMQB
^ This.
All you trade down folks need to stop using it as a crutch. Pick your guy and explain why you want him.
I swear sometimes I think people around here would be happy if we came out of the draft with a ton of draft picks and no players.
Clowney- Generational type talent
Blake
MMQB
Fine. Can I hear your plan on who to play QB in 2014?
FirstTexansFan
The Unknown Fan
I can explain why I prefer trade down. First, I don't believe the talking heads on these QB's. We've seen what happens when we draft a QB with no offensive line. Second, that pick is worth at least three picks, we need depth. My solution for QB, take a veteran free agent, and draft one of these younger QB's to sit behind him for at least a year. Use those other picks to build a solid OL and supporting cast. I'll give it to you guys that want to expend the pick on the BPA. But we'll not know if it's worth it until after the combine. In the meantime? It's my opinion versus yours... Old Man Dementia trumps your youth! /insert Thorn's "Kiss My Ass!" 
Blake
MMQB
I can explain why I prefer trade down. First, I don't believe the talking heads on these QB's. We've seen what happens when we draft a QB with no offensive line. Second, that pick is worth at least three picks, we need depth. My solution for QB, take a veteran free agent, and draft one of these younger QB's to sit behind him for at least a year. Use those other picks to build a solid OL and supporting cast. I'll give it to you guys that want to expend the pick on the BPA. But we'll not know if it's worth it until after the combine. In the meantime? It's my opinion versus yours... Old Man Dementia trumps your youth! /insert Thorn's "Kiss My Ass!"
Lol - hard to argue with that.
I do however disagree that we have no offensive line. We have an established OL with the 2 most important pieces. Center (makes calls) and left tackle (protects blindside). I am also a big fan of Brandon Brooks. I think LG and RT could be upgraded. Also we have Brennan Williams who might be able to solidify the right side.
Basically I am suggesting we have the pieces in place to protect our investment at QB.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
So who in your opinion is the BPA?
FirstTexansFan
The Unknown Fan
I hope your right Blake... ain't it fun to theorize? I love Texans Talk, we can all be GM's everyday
Exascor
Veteran
This is my take as well. Some people are comparing the 2013 oline to 2002. They aren't even close. You could keep the same 5/6 players, add a healthy Foster and this line would be fine for a new QB. Does RT and maybe LG need an upgrade? Of course. As much as QB? No way.
Put Manning behind this line and Schaub behind Denver's. Which oline would look better now?
But Bridgewater is not Brady. He's not Rogers. It is possible that he may one day belong in the same conversation as those guys, but it's just as likely that Boyd will, or Bortles, or Manziel (if he comes out), or Mettenberger. I don't know what the draftniks see that set Bridgewater apart, but so far, I'm not convinced he is any more likely to become that guy than any of the others I've mentioned.
I agree, but Bridgewater isn't Manning. Last year I wanted a stud OT, either from the first or the second round. IMO, he'd have done for our offense what Watt (another player we didn't "need") did for our defense.
If we go to a 4-3 I'm fine with the thinking that either Brooks or Merci will find the success their college careers suggested they'd have. If we stay in the 3-4, I'd rather do like San Francisco did, pass on Jake Locker, draft Aldon Smith, then Colin Kaepernick. Or like Seattle did & draft Bruce Irvin, Bobby Wagner, & Russell Wilson.
Either would help this team win with less than elite QBs like Cutler, Flynn, Freeman, Foles, Daniels, maybe even Keenum... & still draft Mettenberger, Bortles, or Boyd.
If you're convinced Bridgewater will be the next Peyton Manning, I understand. But we're much closer, imo, to building an elite defense, or elite offensive line.
& if Taylor Lewan, Denard Robinson, or Jake Matthews is our pick I don't see it as drafting a RT. Eric Fisher is not a RT. We're Taking the best OL in the draft, making our OL elite. Sure, we've got Brown, but we can play two tackles & though not likely, what if this kid is better than Brown? How is that bad for the Texans?
I want receivers that are better than Andre, a Center that is better Myers, LBs better than Cushing, Corners better than Jjo. If those guys become #2s on the Texans depth chart, how does that hurt us?
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Clowney is not Texan worthy!
He needs to slow his roll off-field, post haste. Mario had quite the exotic speed racer collection but don't remember him drawing this type of attention from the popo's
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Clowney is not Texan worthy!
He needs to slow his roll off-field, post haste. Mario had quite the exotic speed racer collection but don't remember him drawing this type of attention from the popo's
I am not a fan of Clowney either. He appears to be a poor man's Mario Williams.
Exascor
Veteran
My point is - a great offensive line can't make a decent QB look great. A great QB can make a decent offensive line look great.
I'm not sold on anyone in the draft. It's too early. The odds of finding a good QB goes down after each QB is picked. If the team grades one QB much higher than the rest AND grades him within the top 5 or so players, you take him with the 1st pick.
drs23
Veteran
Clowney is not Texan worthy!
He needs to slow his roll off-field, post haste. Mario had quite the exotic speed racer collection but don't remember him drawing this type of attention from the popo's
That's because Mario always made sure the cars he bought for them couldn't catch whatever he chose to fly that day.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
That's because Mario always made sure the cars he bought for them couldn't catch whatever he chose to fly that day.
Was Mario involved in anything pre-draft? I only recall one incident after being drafted which didn't involve the police.
TexanBacker93
Veteran
Cleveland has the #5 and Indy's pick (mid 20s). Trading the #1 for those 2 would allow the Texans to fill to key needs in the 1st round and we're still set up with the 1st pick in the 2nd round. 3 of the top 33 is much better than the top guy and #33. Unless that top guy is hands down a John Elway, Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck guy. I like Bridgewater more than the QBs on our roster, but I don't think he's in the same category as those guys.
drs23
Veteran
Nothing of substance there. Just attempting to poke a little humor about Mario buying HPD several loaded Hi-PO squad cars an a couple of different occasions.
I agree entirely..... I just don't believe Bridgewater is that guy. Maybe the Texans do. We'll see.