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#1 Draft bowl predictions

Wolf said:
ok. I mean no disrespect to the 49ers (good win today) but this is about the only game that I feel the Texans should win if we show up.

Texans 24
49ers 20
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Sigh. Like the 49ers, the Texans just don't "show up" and "walk over" teams. You BARELY beat the Browns. You did a good job on the Cards. But don't act like you're the Colts or something. You're not. You're just another bad team so don't act like you're something.

Maybe you'll win. Maybe you won't. Both our teams are so erratic and bad right now that anything could happen.
 
Hervoyel said:
The fact that you don't agree with him doesn't make his post one of the worst ever on this board. That statement is ridiculous to make and I can only hope that it's the result of gross exaggeration. If it is then it's understandable. If it isn't then you need to read more posts because you have no idea what you are talking about. Posts that lead off with lines like this one of yours are in the running for "worst post ever on this board" because they make wild assertions with no basis in fact. That style continues with the rest of your post....



So you're saying that Bush will fix nothing. Not one problem will improve with the arrival of Reggie Bush?

Not even one?

That's an amazing claim. You astound me!

You can believe what you wish but I find it hard to imagine that the threat of Reggie Bush breaking out of our backfield will not help AJ get open or Carr stay standing. It's also madness to say that our backfield has no room for him. What? Tony Hollings refuses to give his roster spot up for Reggie Bush? I somehow don't think that's going to pose much of a problem.

If you can't figure out how a running back like Bush helps AJ get open or Carr stay standing then, well... "wow".
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burn of my lifetime i do belive.

However, most of my post like this are rants or I've lost the ability to control my anger at the a repeated theme from a post. I try to control it the best I can.

Hervoyel said:
That style continues with the rest of your post....
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This is the first real objection to my post i can remember from you. If you think im only posting mindles ramblings then say something everyonce in a while.

I like bush as a player and person, who doesnt? He could very well open up some things for our team, but i doubt that he has too much, if any effect on carr not getting sacked. He would open stuff up for AJ.

*please note: most of my post which seem to "lash out" at members, are more out of frustration than belief in what i say. I, along with most people, talk before their mind processes everything. Cut me some slack and let's just move on from here.*
 
No chance at 1st overall pick unless we lose this weeked. Both Texans and 49ers will be playing to lose and trying to look as if they are not playing to lose. Should be an interesting matchup. I suspect it will fall to individual players who make inexplicable mistakes (dropped passes, fumbles, whiffed tackles, dropped intercepts, bad kicks, etc) all on their own to determine the winner (loser).
 
Nighthawk said:
No chance at 1st overall pick unless we lose this weeked. Both Texans and 49ers will be playing to lose and trying to look as if they are not playing to lose. Should be an interesting matchup. I suspect it will fall to individual players who make inexplicable mistakes (dropped passes, fumbles, whiffed tackles, dropped intercepts, bad kicks, etc) all on their own to determine the winner (loser).
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No true professional player will "try" to lose. Carr is playing for his $8 million. Do you honestly think he will do something on purpose? The only receiver that is safe is AJ. No one on the OL is safe, so why would they risk their careers?

Those of you who actually think the Texans will tank on purpose do not have a concept of what type of competitor it takes to play at the professional level.
 
Zephyr said:
No true professional player will "try" to lose. Carr is playing for his $8 million. Do you honestly think he will do something on purpose? The only receiver that is safe is AJ. No one on the OL is safe, so why would they risk their careers?

Those of you who actually think the Texans will tank on purpose do not have a concept of what type of competitor it takes to play at the professional level.
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the only people in the texasn organization not trying to win is our coaching staff, but that hasnt changed in 4 years yet.
 
Nighthawk said:
No chance at 1st overall pick unless we lose this weeked. Both Texans and 49ers will be playing to lose and trying to look as if they are not playing to lose. Should be an interesting matchup. I suspect it will fall to individual players who make inexplicable mistakes (dropped passes, fumbles, whiffed tackles, dropped intercepts, bad kicks, etc) all on their own to determine the winner (loser).
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doubtful, niners have no chance at first pick win or lose, not that i think it would have made a difference, if we wanted to lose we could easily have mailed it in during the rams game. i think everybody understands a win benefits our team much more than a spot or two in the draft, at least from our side.
 
Double Barrel said:
You do realize that Reggie Bush, for all his Hall of Fame Pro-Bowl talent, would be nothing behind our current o-line and offense, correct?
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What's funny is, that after he's drafted and signed to that mult-megamillion dollar contract that will put us in a salary cap strait jacket for years, and goes on to get maybe 50 or 60 yards a game, and miss half the season with various types of injuries while he's being "welcomed to the NFL", all the NOBODY BUT BUSH puppets will be screaming "Rehire Capers and Casserly" and blaming the 'new' management for making such a bad draft decision.

(Just in case you're wondering why I'm so caustic and sarcastic, DB) :)
 
dsdamaged said:
doubtful, niners have no chance at first pick win or lose, not that i think it would have made a difference, if we wanted to lose we could easily have mailed it in during the rams game. i think everybody understands a win benefits our team much more than a spot or two in the draft, at least from our side.
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Even if your team doesn't think Bush is special (and I personally think he will fall way, way short of the expectations), it stands to reason that one or more of the 31 other teams might think he's the second coming of the Christ Child ! I mean 31 other teams ! No telling how bad one of those teams would
want Bush. So Bush's value is not in his own basic value to your team, but its in his value as an item of barter, of exchange. Lot of people say he will sell tickets. That's probably true, but he'll sell tickets for only one year if your team ends up again at 2-14 or 3-13.
 
nunusguy said:
Even if your team doesn't think Bush is special (and I personally think he will fall way, way short of the expectations), it stands to reason that one or more of the 31 other teams might think he's the second coming of the Christ Child ! I mean 31 other teams ! No telling how bad one of those teams would
want Bush. So Bush's value is not in his own basic value to your team, but its in his value as an item of barter, of exchange. Lot of people say he will sell tickets. That's probably true, but he'll sell tickets for only one year if your team ends up again at 2-14 or 3-13.[/QUOTE



oh dont get me wrong i do believe he is special, and i would have loved the oppertunity to either draft him or aquire the value of trading him. the fact is right now unless a series of amazing upsets happen, the niners are most likely going to get no higher than fifth, and thats if we lose, which i dont expect. we could end up with as low as 7th if we win. so win or lose we are only talkin a couple of spots. that being said, i believe a two game winning streak benefits my team for next year more than a couple of draft positions. this post was a response to an earlier post from someone who suggested that the niners would be playing to lose, i just wanted to point out, that now there is no longer any real incentive for us to even consider it.

not that i ever believed either of our teams really would.
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Luckily for the Niners, Alex Smith should be able to throw at least one touchdown against the Texans. I mean if Ryan Fitzpatrick can throw a few against us Alex Smith should be able to as well.
 
tulexan said:
Luckily for the Niners, Alex Smith should be able to throw at least one touchdown against the Texans. I mean if Ryan Fitzpatrick can throw a few against us Alex Smith should be able to as well.
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i hope so, no offense but if there is one thing i really dont want next year its the season strting off with "when will alex get his first TD pass"? getting one in this game could improve his development greatly, at least in his head.
 
Looks like they have a pretty good combo between Hicks and Gore. I really don't know why Barlow was getting so many carries when there were two really talented backs behind him who were better than him.
 
You know, if we lose & it looks like New Orleans is a lock for the 2nd pick, I wonder if Casserly could screw them out of all their draft picks again. It's true that he doesn't have Ditka to take advantage of anymore, but maybe he can take advantage of the "Cowardly Lion" Mayor of New Orleans. Since the CLM wants to revitalize the city's commerce (so he can keep his job), what better way than to draft Bush for the Saints? Heck, I bet that the Governor could be convinced to throw in some mud bugs as well.:drool:

Yeah, that's the ticket. We'll give New Orleans the top pick for their entire draft & a few bags of mud bugs. Then, we could trade down to the 3rd spot (NY Jets), so that they could draft Leinart. He might be a little banged up, but he plays through his injuries, unlike Pennington. We should be able to get their 3rd round pick this year & a 2nd next year. Or, we might be able to get their #1 pick next year. It depends upon how bad they want Leinart.

So, what do ya'll think of my master plan? We'll have the #3 pick, 2) 2nd's, 4) 3rd's, 2) 4th's, 2) 5th's, 2) 6th's, & 2) 7th's, for a total of 15 picks this year & we pick up an extra 2nd round pick next year. That'll come in handy when we trade up next year to pick Adrian Peterson (OU).

Okay, I now return you to your regularly scheduled broadcast.:tv:
 
I don't know what you are talking about because Ray Nagin has nothing to do with the Saints and no input on the team.

If they have the #1 or #2 pick they are going to draft Matt Leinart. They have no quarterbacks and one of the best running backs in the league.
 
tulexan said:
Looks like they have a pretty good combo between Hicks and Gore. I really don't know why Barlow was getting so many carries when there were two really talented backs behind him who were better than him.
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well, gore is good he would have gone alot higher in the draft but for two blown knees in college so health is a concern for him to carry the load. he has already been injured this year, although not the knees, mo hicks another smaller back had a rep for fumbling although he seems to have held on alittle better this year, not to mention barlow was just resigned last year to a large contract thanks to the coach erickson and donaflop (donahue) era. the advantage so far for the smaller backs is they dont quite need the same holes barlow does to get through and since our o-line is struggling so does barlow, but his size will pay off once he gets past the line of scrimmage to take on linebackers and DB,s .
 
LBC_Justin said:
You don't draft for need when there is an OVERWHELMING talented #1 pick. You take the talent.

If we get the #2-#4 pick maybe we trade down. But there is no way you pass up an opportunity to get Reggie Bush. The guy is going to be amazing and would be the Face of this franchise for the next few years. (you can't say that about anyone we trade down for.)
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Says who?? We have the worst pass blocking line in THE HISTORY OF THE NFL!!!!! But, here's a better idea. lets draft a 195 lb RB who will give us 15 carries a game and a really cool highlight!!!! YAY!!!
 
sprtsfanatic said:
So if you agree that our OL is serviceable (not great but serviceable) and we all know that Bush has more talent than DD, and that all we need is a #2 wr, and a TE to finally do something in for this franchise....why not pick Bush witht the number 1 pick and I think Mathis will be our #2 next year...that leaves a TE to come in and do something, and some help on our OL with our other picks in the draft....what is sooo wrong with Bush at the 1 spot??
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WHo in God's name would call a line that has given up twice as many sacks as anyone else this season "serviceable"? We have a terrible line, they dont know how or who to block!!! By the way, did you see how good Carr looked when he had time to throw downfield on Saturday? Did you see how bad when he had 2 seconds before being creamed by Peterson or Henderson or Stroud, or any other Jags defender...
 
tulexan said:
At least he will get us touchdowns unlike the rest of our playmakers.
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And what guaratees that? Ron Dayne is the all time leading rusher in NCAA history. The best QB in college history is sitting on our practice squad... remeber Andre Ware? What about Blair Thomas, Ki-Janan Carter? No player, no matter how much of a playmaker he is in college, is a sure thing...

I would also like to see Bush dive up the middle on 3rd and 1, moving the pile for a big first down... yeah, right
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Why do we have to trade out of it? our problems won't be fixed in one year so why not take a great talent like bush? We can get lineman anytime...
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Yes, like anytime during the last 4 years... how can anyone seriously say we dont need to draft linemen after the last four years? Have you watched the games? Have you seen how handicaped our offense is because our line? how is bush going to help that? a line makes a running back, a running back does not make a line
 
You're right and I'm wrong.

Reggie Bush will be a terrible NFL player

D'Brickinshaw Ferguson or Eric Winston will be the second coming of Anthony Muñoz and David Carr will be sacked zero times.

Domanick Davis will rush for 2000 yards and score 30 touchdowns next year.


Pointing out busts is really easy in the NFL. But I can do the opposite just as easy. Remember John Elway? What about Barry Sanders? Peyton Manning? Dan Marino? Marcus Allen? Gale Sayers? OJ Simpson? Earl Campbell? Terry Bradshaw? Franco Harris? All of those guys were taken at the top or near the top of the draft. I'm not saying that Reggie will be in the company of those players, but I think it is funny how people only associate him with busts of the NFL rather than also comparing him to the top players in league history.
 
Hervoyel said:
We're not rebuilding yet. That's a bunch of silly panic talk and nothing more. I'm thinking "the wonger need clue" right about now.

Our current line will be good enough for Reggie to light up other teams defenses and to put a stop to this "pin your ears back and kill Carr" strategy for beating the Texans. When DC audibles out of a play and Bush moves to the slot while Davis stays back in the backfield you're going to see some time to throw the ball.

We've got most of the talent and there's no need to go passing on a player like Bush to rush to replace a bunch of guys who are mostly coming up short due to a bad scheme (offense? defense? applies to both).
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Just like when we have AJ and Mathis out there Carr has time.. ooopsss, we dont! Until we get a line, it dosnt matter how many complimentary player we have
 
tulexan said:
You're right and I'm wrong.

Reggie Bush will be a terrible NFL player

D'Brickinshaw Ferguson or Eric Winston will be the second coming of Anthony Muñoz and David Carr will be sacked zero times.

Domanick Davis will rush for 2000 yards and score 30 touchdowns next year.


Pointing out busts is really easy in the NFL. But I can do the opposite just as easy. Remember John Elway? What about Barry Sanders? Peyton Manning? Dan Marino? Marcus Allen? Gale Sayers? OJ Simpson? Earl Campbell? Terry Bradshaw? Franco Harris? All of those guys were taken at the top or near the top of the draft. I'm not saying that Reggie will be in the company of those players, but I think it is funny how people only associate him with busts of the NFL rather than also comparing him to the top players in league history.
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208. that is the number of times carr has been sacked in 4 years, one of which he was injured in... by the way, on average carr is sacked almost 4 times a game...
 
I mean Reggie Bush supporters who are you posting to. Are there countless people against Bush that do not express their thoughts without bringing meat. I have seen Bush play, and I have seen the greatest backs to ever play the game. I mean there are players that were awesome that never made the NFL, but they were great. Bush is an awesome athlete, I mean he is not a freak like Ju. Peppers or Lavar Arrington, but the kid is fast and has jelly in his hips. Bush will be a solid RB in this league take a look at Warrick Dunn if you want to see Reggie Bush type numbers. Yeah, that is not bad. Those of us that feel like Bush is overhyped are right, not because we dont like him, but because in today's media world players get overhyped on a constant basis. Remember when Ron Mercer was suppose to be the next Jordan, I mean that is just stupid, but he was a solid player. Bush is better than Mercer so dont start that argument, but he is overhyped. So Texans brass will use that hype to fix the holes in our team. Think of it like this. there are holes in our roof, we have plugs, some that do the job very well and others that dont do much and end up having to be replaced, then we have the great plugs that are great and stopping up one hole accept the rest of the damn holes are leaking. Use bush to get top plugs and then the rest of you can just be upset we did not get the flashy awesome plug.
 
tulexan said:
I don't know what you are talking about because Ray Nagin has nothing to do with the Saints and no input on the team.

If they have the #1 or #2 pick they are going to draft Matt Leinart. They have no quarterbacks and one of the best running backs in the league.
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It was a joke. Next time I'll draw some pictures for you.:rolleyes:
 
run-david-run said:
Yes, like anytime during the last 4 years... how can anyone seriously say we dont need to draft linemen after the last four years? Have you watched the games? Have you seen how handicaped our offense is because our line? how is bush going to help that? a line makes a running back, a running back does not make a line
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As a matter of fact (and record) a great running back can make a line look much better than it really is. There are historical examples of this that can easily be cited. I'm not going to bother doing so because you don't care.

In a general sense though you are correct and no, a running back does not "make" a line. There has to be something to work with at the start. With the Texans line there IS something to work with.

You know who can "make" a line? An offensive line coach can make a line. That's right, he has the power to actually teach the linemen how to play their positions. Our present offensive line coach (and our 2004 line coach) is Joe Pendry. Under his watch our line has gone from 36 sacks before he showed up, to 45, and now to what? 68? Nearly back to where we were before the bum (yes I think Joe Pendry is a bum) went to work here.

Existing offensive line + New offensive line coach/system + Perhaps a top of the 2nd round RT, C, or G + Reggie Bush = the potential for one very good running game in 2006. A very good running game forces to the defense to stop it before they can make "Kill the Carr" their primary concern.

That's what I think will happen if we go that route.
 
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