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Honch Delgado
Waterboy
Frank Gore is pretty good and the SF defense is OK. If we don't get to Smith, I think we get the #1 outright.
MorKnolle
All Pro
Honch Delgado said:
Gore is a decent RB but their OL isn't very good, and as for their defense they are 31st in scoring and 32nd in yards allowed, they have a couple decent players but their defense as a whole is the worst in the game. I haven't seen any of their games so I don't know how much of their problem is personnel vs. coaching/playcalling.
the wonger need food
All Pro
Winning this game would set the organization back even further. It's a complete failure after 4 years and losing this draft pick could affect the rebuilding process by years.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Pretend this game has no draft implications. Pretend that this game with the 49ers means nothing. Just imagine that if we win we'll be .500 and if we lose we'll somehow magically be .500 (and then pretend that the same thing applies to the 49ers).
There's no way on earth we win this game. To begin with it's on the road. The Texans haven't won a game on the road since what? Last year in Jacksonville? Is that correct? So basically we're going to do something that we haven't done once all year long? I don't think that's very likely.
Second we're going to be facing the legendary Frank Gore and the equally intimidating Maurice Hicks. Those two accounted for a whopping 177 yards today versus St Louis and they're going to have a field day against us. If you don't think they're "legendary" then at least accept that they'll look like it against our defense.
Third the 49ers aren't playing for a coach who's going to be cleaning out his desk after the game ends and he gets back to his office. They're in year one of a rebuilding with this guy and they're not quitting on him. I'm not saying our guys are quitting on Dom Capers but I am saying that the 49ers are building something and our guys are well aware of the fact that we're about to tear down something. I don't think that's going to help their attitude on gameday.
Finally I might have some hope if we had ever, even once, won the last game of a season but we haven't. Last year we had a lot more to play for and we mailed it in. This year I bet we not only mail it in but we fail to put sufficient postage on it and it gets sent back.
There's no way we beat the 49ers this week. Reggie Bush, or the draft windfall he represents, whichever you prefer is ours when the final whistle blows next week.
There's no way on earth we win this game. To begin with it's on the road. The Texans haven't won a game on the road since what? Last year in Jacksonville? Is that correct? So basically we're going to do something that we haven't done once all year long? I don't think that's very likely.
Second we're going to be facing the legendary Frank Gore and the equally intimidating Maurice Hicks. Those two accounted for a whopping 177 yards today versus St Louis and they're going to have a field day against us. If you don't think they're "legendary" then at least accept that they'll look like it against our defense.
Third the 49ers aren't playing for a coach who's going to be cleaning out his desk after the game ends and he gets back to his office. They're in year one of a rebuilding with this guy and they're not quitting on him. I'm not saying our guys are quitting on Dom Capers but I am saying that the 49ers are building something and our guys are well aware of the fact that we're about to tear down something. I don't think that's going to help their attitude on gameday.
Finally I might have some hope if we had ever, even once, won the last game of a season but we haven't. Last year we had a lot more to play for and we mailed it in. This year I bet we not only mail it in but we fail to put sufficient postage on it and it gets sent back.
There's no way we beat the 49ers this week. Reggie Bush, or the draft windfall he represents, whichever you prefer is ours when the final whistle blows next week.
My prediction is that we will pick first and trade the pick to either SF, NYJ, GB, or Tenn. Take either Jimmy Williams CB Va Tech, AJ Hawk LB Ohio st, Chad Greenway OLB Iowa, Eric Winston OT Miami, or Dbrick OT Va Tech i think thats where he is from.
Then take the some of the picks we got and package 2 or 3 depending on trades and move back up into the late 1st round and select either Scott, Jean-Giles, Setterstrom, Huff, Dumerville maybe 1 or 2 more i cant think of right now.
then with 1st pick in the 2nd we take Setterstrom, or best TE available. Also depending on what our 1st & 2nd round pick is and what FA signings we have these can change.
THE ONLY WAY WE TAKE BUSH IS IF WE SIGN 1 OR 2 FA'S BEFORE THE DRAFT!!!! NO OTHER WAY MAKES ANY POSSIBLE SENSE. I MEAN COME ON. Lets be realistic here.
Then take the some of the picks we got and package 2 or 3 depending on trades and move back up into the late 1st round and select either Scott, Jean-Giles, Setterstrom, Huff, Dumerville maybe 1 or 2 more i cant think of right now.
then with 1st pick in the 2nd we take Setterstrom, or best TE available. Also depending on what our 1st & 2nd round pick is and what FA signings we have these can change.
THE ONLY WAY WE TAKE BUSH IS IF WE SIGN 1 OR 2 FA'S BEFORE THE DRAFT!!!! NO OTHER WAY MAKES ANY POSSIBLE SENSE. I MEAN COME ON. Lets be realistic here.
LBC_Justin
Rookie
You don't draft for need when there is an OVERWHELMING talented #1 pick. You take the talent.royce1054 said:
If we get the #2-#4 pick maybe we trade down. But there is no way you pass up an opportunity to get Reggie Bush. The guy is going to be amazing and would be the Face of this franchise for the next few years. (you can't say that about anyone we trade down for.)
You do realize that Reggie Bush, for all his Hall of Fame Pro-Bowl talent, would be nothing behind our current o-line and offense, correct?
Dude is amazing talent and quite possibly the playmaker of the century, but football is a team sport, and we need 10 other solid players on the field to let him do his thing.
Dude is amazing talent and quite possibly the playmaker of the century, but football is a team sport, and we need 10 other solid players on the field to let him do his thing.
DRAMA said:
You're right, man. I didn't mean to diss DD or any of our RBs, as they have been one of the few bright spots on our team this year.
But for them, or Reggie, to be successful, we need a solid TE (that can catch and block), plus a dependable #2 WR. Our o-line has certainly been part of our problem, but they've shown some signs that we're not that far off if we just add some talent (not necessarily an overhaul).
New coaching can breath fire into a set of players. Add some talent to other positions, along with Bush, and we could be rebounding next year to great heights. I feel confident and optimistic that we have a lot of talent to worth with, and it just takes a new approach by a new coaching staff to turn this thing around.
Call me crazy, but I'm going to believe that way in spite of it.
sprtsfanatic
Veteran
Double Barrel said:You're right, man. I didn't mean to diss DD or any of our RBs, as they have been one of the few bright spots on our team this year.
But for them, or Reggie, to be successful, we need a solid TE (that can catch and block), plus a dependable #2 WR. Our o-line has certainly been part of our problem, but they've shown some signs that we're not that far off if we just add some talent (not necessarily an overhaul).
New coaching can breath fire into a set of players. Add some talent to other positions, along with Bush, and we could be rebounding next year to great heights. I feel confident and optimistic that we have a lot of talent to worth with, and it just takes a new approach by a new coaching staff to turn this thing around.
Call me crazy, but I'm going to believe that way in spite of it.
So if you agree that our OL is serviceable (not great but serviceable) and we all know that Bush has more talent than DD, and that all we need is a #2 wr, and a TE to finally do something in for this franchise....why not pick Bush witht the number 1 pick and I think Mathis will be our #2 next year...that leaves a TE to come in and do something, and some help on our OL with our other picks in the draft....what is sooo wrong with Bush at the 1 spot??
dat_boy_yec
Rookie
Double Barrel said:Call me crazy, but I'm going to believe that way in spite of it.
Your crazy, and so is I cuz I agree with you. I can actually hear next years announcers saying something like. "Can you believe the Texans almost passed on this talent." or "This Texans team may be in the playoffs." or "They won I can't believe the Texans have won again" dont take my dreams away pleaasseee they're all I have left right now.
dat_boy_yec
Rookie
I think he agreed with you, because he said add some talent, along with Bush. Personally though I would also love to see Bush in red white and bluesprtsfanatic said:
TexansTrueFan
All Pro
the wonger need food said:
are you telling me we are in the "rebuilding" process of our franchise already,,,i know we had a bad year but i seriously doubt we are to that point.
edo783
Hall of Fame
If we add a couple of SERIOUSE lineman in FA like the center from New Oleans and the Gaurd from Seatle (doubt this one will really be available) then I think we could draft Bush and then a tackle like Scott in the second. He is most likely a RT type and that means we are staying with/stuck (depends on your point of view) with Pitts at LT. The third has to be used for a TE IMO. Just look at how helpfull just a LITTLE out put was from a TE when Rivers caught a couple of passes. If we don't score some really good o-lineman (not just guys with a pulse) in FA we must trade out of it IMO to pick up lineman.
TexansTrueFan
All Pro
edo783 said:
agreed, but i am still a D.D fan and also feel that getting more picks in the draft would be better than getting Bush.
R
real
Guest
Why do we have to trade out of it? our problems won't be fixed in one year so why not take a great talent like bush? We can get lineman anytime...
TexansTrueFan
All Pro
xtruroyaltyx said:
oh yeah we can get linemen anytime, thats why we have Orlando Pace right
. Come on only decent Linemen we have is Chester Pitts, and i dont want to see carr killed before we finally piece together a line, they need do work on it MAJORLY this year, and forget bush.
Jack Bauer
Rookie
TexansTrueFan said:oh yeah we can get linemen anytime, thats why we have Orlando Pace right
What is being said is that we don't HAVE to get an OL in the first round. Many very good offensive lines in the NFL have 3rd rounders to 5th rounders anchoring the line. We just need to focus on the OL after the first round.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
TexansTrueFan said:
We're not rebuilding yet. That's a bunch of silly panic talk and nothing more. I'm thinking "the wonger need clue" right about now.
Our current line will be good enough for Reggie to light up other teams defenses and to put a stop to this "pin your ears back and kill Carr" strategy for beating the Texans. When DC audibles out of a play and Bush moves to the slot while Davis stays back in the backfield you're going to see some time to throw the ball.
We've got most of the talent and there's no need to go passing on a player like Bush to rush to replace a bunch of guys who are mostly coming up short due to a bad scheme (offense? defense? applies to both).
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
Zephyr said:
Those guys are mostly G's and C's. Very few exceptions play T, and one in a million play at the same level of a 1st round OT.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
xtruroyaltyx said:
One of the worst posts ever on this board. Bush will fix nothing and will not help any of our problems at all. He will add to a strong groups that has no room for him. Linemen, that we would be happy with, are not found "anywhere". They are drafted early and developed. Unless bush wants to play LG/OT, and MLB/FS he has no business being on our team next year.
You people and your disrespect of our team sickens me. Bush will part the red seas you will say next. Bush has proven outstanding in college, but you people are blind to the needs of the team. Dont tell me about, Bush will help crap. DD does 1k yards a year for the most part. The only way to help our team is to address other needs. Get off the 'I want' stuff for christmas, and get on the 'we need' bus. As always, most of you will miss the bus again. IF we lose, and Bush declares to go back to school, I will laugh sooooooo hard. Even as much as i want him as trade bait for picks, I will be satified on a slew of people moaning of the one that got away, again (derrik johnson), again (Sean Taylor).
Personally, I wouldnt want to play for the Texans either, seeing on how much you all help support them. Sad day for the Texans players. Disrespectful.
Personally, I wouldnt want to play for the Texans either, seeing on how much you all help support them. Sad day for the Texans players. Disrespectful.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
YoungTexanFan said:
The fact that you don't agree with him doesn't make his post one of the worst ever on this board. That statement is ridiculous to make and I can only hope that it's the result of gross exaggeration. If it is then it's understandable. If it isn't then you need to read more posts because you have no idea what you are talking about. Posts that lead off with lines like this one of yours are in the running for "worst post ever on this board" because they make wild assertions with no basis in fact. That style continues with the rest of your post....
YoungTexanFan said:
So you're saying that Bush will fix nothing. Not one problem will improve with the arrival of Reggie Bush?
Not even one?
That's an amazing claim. You astound me!
You can believe what you wish but I find it hard to imagine that the threat of Reggie Bush breaking out of our backfield will not help AJ get open or Carr stay standing. It's also madness to say that our backfield has no room for him. What? Tony Hollings refuses to give his roster spot up for Reggie Bush? I somehow don't think that's going to pose much of a problem.
If you can't figure out how a running back like Bush helps AJ get open or Carr stay standing then, well... "wow".
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Dime said:
It's nice to hear a "real fan" put us all in our place for not thinking like he does. Nice work Dime. By the way I think you're idea of the best way to go is similarly wrong. I'm going to leave out the "sicken me" part though. I don't see any reason to go that far overboard.
Hottoddie
Veteran
Hypothetically speaking, if San Francisco offered their #1 pick (5-6), David Baas, & whatever other pick(s) it might take for the rights to draft Bush, would you do it?
That'd give us a starting C/G & the chance to still draft D'Brick, or Winston with the 5-6 pick. O'Line problems solved.
What if the Jets offered their #1 pick (3-5), John Abraham, & whatever other pick(s) it took, would you do it? I read an article 2-3 weeks ago that indicated they'd be willing to package him with their pick for a QB. I wonder if they'd settle for a RB instead?
Bush might be a quick fix for this club, but he won't help us for the long haul. If he is able to get us several additional wins & into the playoffs, we end up picking later in each round, which won't help us put the kind of quality depth on this team, that we so desperately need.
On the other hand, if we use this extraordinary opportunity to trade the #1 pick for a starter & additional picks for this year & in the future, we should be able to fill most of our holes, & still be in a position to bundle some picks for a shot at Adrian Peterson (OU) next year, or the next. By then, our O'Line would be gelling just right.
That'd give us a starting C/G & the chance to still draft D'Brick, or Winston with the 5-6 pick. O'Line problems solved.
What if the Jets offered their #1 pick (3-5), John Abraham, & whatever other pick(s) it took, would you do it? I read an article 2-3 weeks ago that indicated they'd be willing to package him with their pick for a QB. I wonder if they'd settle for a RB instead?
Bush might be a quick fix for this club, but he won't help us for the long haul. If he is able to get us several additional wins & into the playoffs, we end up picking later in each round, which won't help us put the kind of quality depth on this team, that we so desperately need.
On the other hand, if we use this extraordinary opportunity to trade the #1 pick for a starter & additional picks for this year & in the future, we should be able to fill most of our holes, & still be in a position to bundle some picks for a shot at Adrian Peterson (OU) next year, or the next. By then, our O'Line would be gelling just right.
Hottoddie said:
i promise you the niners would never make that deal, if coach nolan gave away baas and still had to come up with the money for bush the fans would riot and he would have to go into exile. most niner fans agree we would only take bush if he was available to us in the draft, which looks very unlikely now. of course if you would be interested in taking kwame harris we might even pay you to take him. it would seem to me that if you want the best talent available you take bush, but if your looking for the best trade value it might be leinhart.
Hervoyel said:
AJ get open = yes.
Carr stay standing (unless Bush in planning on pass-blocking) = no.
The shifting of a pass-rusher away from Carr won't help until we can successfully block a 4-man rush...something this team has proven thus far that it can't do successfully.
DD is a very servicable back, but he's definitely no Reggie Bush.
I would like to remind the people that keep harping on that 8.9yds.-per-touch of Reggie's that the NFL is a completely different beast. If you're expecting that sort of avg. carry in the NFL, it's time to put up that Michael Irving Limited-Edition crack pipe you got for Xmas.
I think Bush is the best OVERALL talent to come out in a long time, but he's not Barry Sanders or LT yet! Unlike Earl Campbell, he can't simply come in and start just blasting his way forward behind an inadequate line. He's not a power-runner now, and certainly won't be one in the NFL.
Can anyone honestly say that a Franchise-level LT and a multi-dimensional TE wouldn't help this offense just as much as Bush could? Getting those TWO in place of Bush is a very real trade-down possibility for the 1st pick. Sure, they're not a sure thing, but NEITHER IS BUSH.
the wonger need food said:
This is an overstatement of the importance of the 1st pick in the draft. A team should be able to make a quality pick at #3 or #4 overall. Even in regards to trading down the famous Ricky Williams trade was not the number one overall.
ArlingtonTexan said:
as of right up to the RAVENS vs MINN game i have it as us being 5th
NO at .518
NYJ at .527
HOU at .530
GB at .543
SF at .545
of course the ravens win changed this some already and the jets and new england game tomorrow will bump both the saints and the jets up if new england wins as expected especially the jets as they play them twice. i havent done the math on the raiders or tenn yet but we could concievably drop to 7th if we beat houston...
from my own message board just thought id share the most recent numbers
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Hervoyel said:We're not rebuilding yet. That's a bunch of silly panic talk and nothing more. I'm thinking "the wonger need clue" right about now.
Our current line will be good enough for Reggie to light up other teams defenses and to put a stop to this "pin your ears back and kill Carr" strategy for beating the Texans. When DC audibles out of a play and Bush moves to the slot while Davis stays back in the backfield you're going to see some time to throw the ball.
We've got most of the talent and there's no need to go passing on a player like Bush to rush to replace a bunch of guys who are mostly coming up short due to a bad scheme (offense? defense? applies to both).
Damn...Wish I had said that first.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I get tired when fans try to tell other fans how they should act or question whether they're real fans or not. Anyone that would take time out of their schedule and post about a 2-13 team is a TRUE FAN or in your words a "REAL" fan. A Texan "Bandwagon" fan is a mystical creature like bigfoot or the lochness monster, they may exist, but I doubt it.Dime said:
As far as every third word being about bush and not the team, maybe thats because there is only one more game left in the season and again we're 2-13. Our season has been over for months. At this point talking about the draft has been the only thing keeping people going and the prospect of having the first pick is about the only bright spot to look forward to in the near future. Add on top of that bush being one of the most exciting prospects to come out in some time and you got people talking.
Erratic Assassin
Rookie
LBC_Justin said:
Sure you do. We drafted David Carr over Julius Peppers.
It certainly wasn't because David was the most talented player in the draft, it's because he was the most talented QB in the draft. The Lions took Joey Harrington because he was the 2nd most talented QB in the draft (leaving many more talented players on the board).
Teams draft for need all the time and we're talking about experienced GMs who supposedly know more about football than we average peons.
If we had drafted the most talented OTs in our first 2 years and drafted the most talented defensive linemen in our second 2 years, we'd be in better shape now. We would have a much more solid foundation. We might even be one or 2 players away from being a decent team.
Dime said:
give me a break.
anyone that roots for this team is a real fan. we're 2-13 for gods sake. we run the most boring offense in the league, our defense is atrocious.
All we have to look forward to is the draft, and the best prospect in years is coming out. Hes young, hes freaking fast, he has amazing moves, hes got a good head on his shoulders, and hes extremely versatile. We could very well have the chance to draft the 'next great thing' in the NFL.
A LOT of people are excited about getting to go to games and just see Reggie Bush on offense. He will make life a living hell for defensive coordinators because of the ability to line up as a WR, and his uncanny ability to make a big play.
so we're:
A- the worst team in the league
B- the worst big play offense in the league (least plays of 20+ yards in the league)
C- have a good chance at the #1 pick and chance for Reggie Bush
and you say real fans only talk about what is going on with the team right now. Whatever you say boss.
stevo3883 said:
You give me a break. With DD, Wells, Morency and Hollings, (DD being a 1k rusher), you think we are going to take Another RB for 1st pick. Alot of people were excited about Sean Taylor, and Derrick Johnson too. I know, they were awesome freaks of nature, but not a freak of nature like Reggie.
Personally, I dont care what you think of me, and if I make your day or not. I DO care about keeping Carr upright if we keep him, and bringing in folks who fear our defense. Last Year at the end of the season, Carr said "I hope we draft a Oline man to help me from running" or something like that. We didnt, and he has been running again. If you want to keep Carr, you need to think who you want to keep. Bush does not solve major other problems. Oh, by the way, I think he would take off a huge pressure from AJ allowing him to make more plays. But that does not hide the fact that our OLINE needs to be our focus this year.
Rofl... One last note... This team player and riding the pine stuff. If i give a opionon that doesnt agree with the general board, I be riding that pine. Personally, I dont care if I get thrown from the game. Call me the boards TO. I will express my opionons, and that is that.