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08 Free Agent Market

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Free agency is just around the corner, February 28th (edited thanks painkiller) time to target upgrades without breaking the improving salary cap (30-35 mil). here are just a few of the bigger names, I'm sure many under the radar types could be added to the roster or at least be signed to come in & compete for roster spots, so here goes nothing.

this is but a hope & dream that the Texans do find a trading partner & can trade down & pick up a 2nd rd. pick giving them ammo to address two needs instead of one (CB/LT).

The Texans are not going to be able to address LT via free agency because there is not one available who is an upgrade over Salaam. The Texans seem solid @ RT which takes Jordon Gross, Panthars & Dave Stewart, Titans off the wanted list. Flozell Adams, Cowboys is a good LT but is 33 years old & wants some decent money.

CB is another thing Nnamdi Asomugha, Asante Samuel are the two blue chips with Marcus Trufant not too far behind. Marcus is a possiblity because his price tag may be within the Texans price range if he wants to really play for the Texans & reunite with Rhodes, you think the Texans have at least a 50% chance of aquiring him, does he bring what is missing & how will that expenditure affect the rest of the signings especially our own free agents like Andre Davis, Demps, Weary, Dunta Robinson?

What about RB? do the Texans dump a truckload of money again (see Ahman Green) for Michael Turner? maybe a cheaper alternative like Justin Fargas or take a flyer on undervalued Julius Jones? Again with such a deep RB class coming out in the draft I just don't see it, Texans seem willing to give Ahman another year to prove himself.

WR is risky, drafting one too so look for the Texans to resign Andre Davis. But if they want to add someone that is another good value like Davis was last season a sleeper pick-up is Seattles D.J. Hackett, maybe this is where Rhodes strikes his 1st pay dirt for this staff.

TE is another surpise need that could be filled via FA because of lower investment & need with only Owen Daniels locked in for sure & Joel Dreesen making strides. I have seen nothing that makes me think Jeb Putzier or Mark Bruener have much more value & if this offense is going to take off they need another TE who is a weapon & can block. I would like to see them make a run @ the Eagles L.J. Smith, after Rhodes time but could be a real steal & help this team.

Center could receive alot of attention & there are a couple good Jeff Faine, Saints & Chris Myers, Broncos, would have to pay them pretty well but I guess they could if targeted. The Texans need to sort out this position once & for all one would think between Steve McKinney, Mike Flanagan, Chris White, Drew Hodgdon & newly aquired Greg Eslinger the Texans will get decent production.

DE/DT both needs but will the Texans spend to address these positions & of the two which is more important? no way they aquire one of the top FA's like Suggs or Jared Allen but a proven second tier RDE is a possiblity like the Bengals Justin Smith who is a decent pass rusher. a space eating nose tackle has been discussed on this board & a general consensus was Isaac Spopaga as much because he's a cheaper option as well need.

OLB is a position very likey to address here some really good ones which should help flood the market enough to put a top player within the Texans reach, maybe the biggest off season signing. Karlos Dansby heads that list. others of consideration could be Kawika Mitchell, Giants & Brandon Chillar, Rams.

Safety position will be addressed with Demps resigning unless they have to overpay. in that case if they are going to have to overpay to address this position maybe the Cowboys Ken Hamlin or Gibril Wilson of the Superbowl Giants afterall they are not going to be able to keep everyone now they'll all want to be payed.

In a nutshell expect some new faces that are mild upgrades but nothing special. my projected top free agent aquisition is OLB Karlos Dansby. DE Justin Smith & WR D.J. Hackett or TE L.J. Smith.

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While I agree with most of what you said, I also think they could target any number of another CB that are going to be FA because not only do we needa starting CB but we also need a nickle CB, that is unless you are satisfied with Faggins as a nickle (I am not) So others like .

CB Drayton Florence (Chargers)
CB Jacques Reeves (Dallas)
CB Domonique Foxworth (Broncos) I know but look who he is playing behind.

Also if you are going to look at another WR out of Davis I would look at Bryant Johnson (Cardinals). Do not forget with injuries I also think a RG could be looked at in FA or at the very least we need depth along the line and almost anyone would be better than roster eating, cap eating and oxygen waisting Jordan Black.
 
I know we are in better cap shape this offseason as compared to last year, but how much better ? Do we really have the cap freedom to land a couple big-time players without putting ourselves in cap-hell for the future, or will we be forced to shop the second-tier talent ?
 
I know we are in better cap shape this offseason as compared to last year, but how much better ? Do we really have the cap freedom to land a couple big-time players without putting ourselves in cap-hell for the future, or will we be forced to shop the second-tier talent ?

If I recall correctly we have about $30 mil or so to spend to sign our own FA and draft picks and sign other FA. So with that I think it is entirely possible to sign a couple second tier (last year we were signing third) players and at least one tier one FA. Along with this I am sure there will be a third tier signed as well.
 
CB Drayton Florence (Chargers)
CB Jacques Reeves (Dallas)
CB Domonique Foxworth (Broncos) I know but look who he is playing behind.
The Texans aren't going to sign Florence. I don't know why his name is continually brought up. Reeves is horrible. Foxworth is a restricted free agent. The Texans would have to give Denver a 3rd round pick as compensation if signed to an offer sheet the Broncos refused to match.
 
The Texans aren't going to sign Florence. I don't know why his name is continually brought up. Reeves is horrible. Foxworth is a restricted free agent. The Texans would have to give Denver a 3rd round pick as compensation if signed to an offer sheet the Broncos refused to match.

Why wouldn't they sign Florence? Is there something I am missing? I mentioned Foxworth as in the likes of as in a player that is not a top tier talent but could very easily be a nickle and is better than Faggins. I only mention the RFA because there is no guarantee that a team will offer all of its RFA because of cap issue and needs in other areas. It is not like Denver does not have two starting CB that will be cut anytime soon. The same with Reeves. You say Reeves sucks but doesn't he suck less than Faggins?
 
Why wouldn't they sign Florence? Is there something I am missing? I mentioned Foxworth as in the likes of as in a player that is not a top tier talent but could very easily be a nickle and is better than Faggins. I only mention the RFA because there is no guarantee that a team will offer all of its RFA because of cap issue and needs in other areas. It is not like Denver does not have two starting CB that will be cut anytime soon. The same with Reeves. You say Reeves sucks but doesn't he suck less than Faggins?

Faggins is OK in nickel packages where he has boatloads of help covering people. Remember, Faggins is such a pariah this year because he was on the field most of the defensive snaps at the beginning of the year. Faggins has always played decently for us in nickel packages, but never as CB #2. Drayton Florence is complete garbage, and he gets dumb personal foul penalties to boot (ask Charger fans, they care not one bit if some team is silly enough to sign Florence to anything but minimum). The other guys mentioned could be brought into training camp like WR's were last year and I wouldn't mind, but none of the guys mentioned deserve big pay raises from us just because we seem to think that Faggins is so terrible he should be shot.
 
Free agency is just around the corner, February 22nd we'll know who is designated franchise and transition players. then March 3rd. @ midnight the movers & shakers pull all nighters trying to sign targeted free agents.

Great post, but you used last years dates. these are the 2008 dates.
February 7 - Commencement of 15-day designation period for Franchise and Transition Players

February 10 - AFC-NFC Pro Bowl in Honolulu, Hawaii

February 11 - Waiver process begins

February 20-26 - NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis, Indiana

February 21 - Deadline for teams to designate Franchise and Transition Players

February 28 - Deadline for submission of Qualifying Offers by teams to their Restricted Free Agents whose contracts have expired and to whom they desire to retain a Right of First Refulsal/Compensation

February 28 - Deadline for teams to submit offer of minimum salary to retain exclusive negotiating righs to their players with fewer than three seasons of free agency credit whose contracts have expired

February 29 - Start of Free Agency and Trading period

March 17 - Begin Offseason Workout Programs

March 30-April 3 - NFL Annual Meeting in Palm Beach, Florida

April 25 - Deadline for teams to exercise Right of First Refusal to Restricted Free Agents

April 18 - Deadline for signing of Offer Sheets by Restricted Free Agents

April 25 - Deadline for old team to exercise Right of First Refusal to Restricted Free Agents

April 26-27 - NFL Draft in New York City

May 19-21 - NFL Spring Meeting in Atlanta, Georgia

June 1 - Deadline for old team to send tender offer to its unsigned Restricted Free Agents or to extend Qualifying offer, whichever is greater, in order to retain rights

June 1 - Deadline for old team to send tender offer to its unsigned Restricted Free Agents to retain rights if player is not signed by another team by July 22

June 29 -July 2 - Rookie Symposium in Carlsbad, California

July - NFL teams begin Training Camp

August 3 - Hall of Fame game in Canton, Ohio

August 26 - Roster reduction to 75 players


August 30 - Roster reduction to 53 players


September 4-8 - NFL Regular Season begins
 
Texans have apprx $35 million to sign draft picks, their FA and any new FA. Contracts can be worded such as Mario to increase guaranteed money and decrease bonus money. Most like Nate Clements are back loaded so the player may not get the $80 million Clements signed for. First thing I'd do is sign Davis and if possible Demps then go after other FA.

Corner with DR out is absolutely biggest hole and can be addressed in draft but why when we can sign a good one in free agency. Don't forget Texans sign Chris Olsen from NFL as the salary cap guru. Most players just want to wave the total contract $ at their buddies. Two contracts with bonus (if any) and first year to hit the cap at $5 to 8million will bring an excellent corner and an OLB. It can be done. The $ is available and can make a diff. McNair has pocketed cap $ in previous years and now should be willing to "cap out" to get starters that can make a diff for a few years.

You re-sign Davis and WR is a position of strength, If Demps can be had reasonably, we can enter season with strongest back field to date. Remember that Kubes was satisified with Glenn Earl and CC Brown. Boulaware, Brandon Mitchell and Brandon Harrison will all get their shot at TC.

Some think Briesel would beat out Fred Weary and the latter may not make the team. Studdard and Frye may get a good look see.

Draft a RB and left tackle in 1st & 3rd and go FS in 4th for insurance. 5th = you can look at BPA. Bingo, no holes.
 
I think the level of players you have listed are above what we will pay in free agency. I would look for us to add a corner like Drayton Florence, William James, or Randall Gay. We are supposed to be looking for bigger corners and these guys are all 5'11"-6'0" and very affordable. Also, at DE - with Weaver still onboard - I would look more at a Bobby McCray type addition than Justin Smith.

Rick Smith has said that he wants to build through the draft and supplement in free agency. Given that Ahman Green is the only big name addition we have seen in free agency, and the result of that, I would look for a whole lot of prudence in the offseason.
 
Why wouldn't they sign Florence? Is there something I am missing?
Apparently. Does a helmet-to-helmet hit in Week 8 ring a bell? I know it did with Matt Schaub. And I'm certain Texan GM Rick (Don't call me Richard) Smith remembers.

In a statement released by the Texans, team general manager Rick Smith said the fine wasn’t enough; he added, “We are disappointed in the sense that we have lost our starting quarterback for at least one game after the player took the crown of his helmethttp://www.nflgridirongab.com/2007/11/01/late-hit-proves-costly-to-chargers-florence/# and delivered an illegal blow to Matt’s jaw and the fine levied is only a small fraction of the player’s weekly pay. Is that equitable? The punishment doesn’t appear to fit the crime when all factors are considered.”
 
Apparently. Does a helmet-to-helmet hit in Week 8 ring a bell? I know it did with Matt Schaub. And I'm certain Texan GM Rick (Don't call me Richard) Smith remembers.

For some reason I was thinking it was someone else who did the hit. So yes you are right we would never sign him for that reason alone.
 
I don't know. Invite him to camp and have Schaub meet him with a baseball bat. Then cut him.
 
TE is another surpise need that could be filled via FA because of lower investment & need with only Owen Daniels locked in for sure & Joel Dreesen making strides. I have seen nothing that makes me think Jeb Putzier or Mark Bruener have much more value & if this offense is going to take off they need another TE who is a weapon & can block. I would like to see them make a run @ the Eagles L.J. Smith, after Rhodes time but could be a real steal & help this team.

I have to disagree with this. I think TE is a point of strength, with OD (who can pretty much do it all), Dreesen (who apparantly only comes in to catch a TD), Bruener (our blocking specialist), and then Putzier (who can provide veteran leadership to our 2 younger, developing TEs). I'd hate to see the Texans use up the cap in upgrading the TE position while there are gaping needs in other areas of this football team.
 
I have to disagree with this. I think TE is a point of strength, with OD (who can pretty much do it all), Dreesen (who apparantly only comes in to catch a TD), Bruener (our blocking specialist), and then Putzier (who can provide veteran leadership to our 2 younger, developing TEs). I'd hate to see the Texans use up the cap in upgrading the TE position while there are gaping needs in other areas of this football team.
I agree and Kubes has to get Dreesen on field to bring more TDs.
 
While I agree with most of what you said, I also think they could target any number of another CB that are going to be FA because not only do we needa starting CB but we also need a nickle CB, that is unless you are satisfied with Faggins as a nickle (I am not) So others like .

CB Drayton Florence (Chargers)
CB Jacques Reeves (Dallas)
CB Domonique Foxworth (Broncos) I know but look who he is playing behind.

Also if you are going to look at another WR out of Davis I would look at Bryant Johnson (Cardinals). Do not forget with injuries I also think a RG could be looked at in FA or at the very least we need depth along the line and almost anyone would be better than roster eating, cap eating and oxygen waisting Jordan Black.

Reeves=Faggins=Reeves=Faggins

They are pretty much interchangeable - why would anyone want either one?
 
I think the level of players you have listed are above what we will pay in free agency. I would look for us to add a corner like Drayton Florence, William James, or Randall Gay. We are supposed to be looking for bigger corners and these guys are all 5'11"-6'0" and very affordable. Also, at DE - with Weaver still onboard - I would look more at a Bobby McCray type addition than Justin Smith.

Rick Smith has said that he wants to build through the draft and supplement in free agency. Given that Ahman Green is the only big name addition we have seen in free agency, and the result of that, I would look for a whole lot of prudence in the offseason.
I have to disagree with you dispite what Smith stated because they have no choice but to spend money in Free Agency because they have to many holes to fill and it can't all come through the draft. I think they will go after a guy like Marcus Trufant or Nnamdi Asomugha becasue they have to go into the season knowing they have a corner that can take away the opponents top targets.

The injury to Daunta Robinson is a tough injury so they have to move foward thinking he won't be 100% but we have to sign a potential top or above average cover guy and get better safties in free agency as well and there will be some good players that will come at an affordable prices. I think if we cut guys who are over paid Like Anthony Weaver and Ahman Green who stole money this year in training camp that will free up more cap space to sign player who can come and be productive and get the rest through the draft.

Corner:

Asomugha, Nnamdi UFA Raiders - Top money
Florence, Drayton UFA Chargers - Mid Level money
Trufant, Marcus UFA Seahawks - Top to mid level money
Kelly, Brian UFA Buccaneers - May come cheap since he is 30 or 31 years old.
Gay, Randall UFA Patriots - Cheap Price
Fisher, Travis UFA Lions

Safety: All of these guys are very affordable instead binging back Boulware and Demps.

Wilson, Eugene UFA Patriots
Wilson, Gibril UFA Giants
Williams, Madieu UFA Bengals
Doss, Mike UFA Vikings
Coleman, Erik UFA Jets
Williams, Tank UFA Vikings


DE: Cut Anthony Weaver

Odom, Antwan UFA Titans
Thomas, Josh UFA Colts
McCracy, Bobby UFA Jaguars
McDougle, Jerome UFA Eagles
Brayton, Tyler UFA Raiders
Rucker, Mike UFA Panthers
 
I agree and Kubes has to get Dreesen on field to bring more TDs.

I concur! There is no way we need to even glance at another TE. OD, Dreesen, and Bruener or Putzier is all we need. We can draft one in the 6th if we must for depth purposes. Focus salary cap matters on bigger needs. That's what good front offices do, and we are building one great FO. Have some faith!

Green is NOT the last big free agent we bring in. I fully expect one Big name talent, or three "second tier" talents that will fill holes.

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I have to disagree with you dispite what Smith stated because they have no choice but to spend money in Free Agency because they have to many holes to fill and it can't all come through the draft. I think they will go after a guy like Marcus Trufant or Nnamdi Asomugha becasue they have to go into the season knowing they have a corner that can take away the opponents top targets.

The injury to Daunta Robinson is a tough injury so they have to move foward thinking he won't be 100% but we have to sign a potential top or above average cover guy and get better safties in free agency as well and there will be some good players that will come at an affordable prices. I think if we cut guys who are over paid Like Anthony Weaver and Ahman Green who stole money this year in training camp that will free up more cap space to sign player who can come and be productive and get the rest through the draft.

Corner:

Asomugha, Nnamdi UFA Raiders - Top money
Florence, Drayton UFA Chargers - Mid Level money
Trufant, Marcus UFA Seahawks - Top to mid level money
Kelly, Brian UFA Buccaneers - May come cheap since he is 30 or 31 years old.
Gay, Randall UFA Patriots - Cheap Price
Fisher, Travis UFA Lions

Safety: All of these guys are very affordable instead binging back Boulware and Demps.

Wilson, Eugene UFA Patriots
Wilson, Gibril UFA Giants
Williams, Madieu UFA Bengals
Doss, Mike UFA Vikings
Coleman, Erik UFA Jets
Williams, Tank UFA Vikings


DE: Cut Anthony Weaver

Odom, Antwan UFA Titans
Thomas, Josh UFA Colts
McCracy, Bobby UFA Jaguars
McDougle, Jerome UFA Eagles
Brayton, Tyler UFA Raiders
Rucker, Mike UFA Panthers


I agree. With the type of 'D' we play, we can't go INTO the season without two talented corners. D-Rob won't be back in 2008, I am almost sure of it. We need a big name opposite Bennett, and resign Demps. Then we can concentrate on getting an OLB and Jeff Faine!! Then draft a 1st round LT which I'm sure Gibbs is pushing for, and we are one Bad@ss team!
 
I'm all for Asomugha. He had an incredible number of interceptions in 2006. (Was rarely thrown against last season.) Bringing him in will increase the Texans turn-overs, which the Texans have said is one of their biggest priorities during the offseason. Bennett looked good, and I think he will hold his own, at least until Dunta returns. (JMO, Dunta will return.) This is a huge upgrade to the backfield, and the sort of move that could take the Texans from a mediocre team to a play-off team.
 
I'm all for Asomugha. He had an incredible number of interceptions in 2006. (Was rarely thrown against last season.) Bringing him in will increase the Texans turn-overs, which the Texans have said is one of their biggest priorities during the offseason. Bennett looked good, and I think he will hold his own, at least until Dunta returns. (JMO, Dunta will return.) This is a huge upgrade to the backfield, and the sort of move that could take the Texans from a mediocre team to a play-off team.
I hope that Daunta makes it back but we have to move foward like he won't be ready for the start of the season and if he make it back then that is a plus for us. I think we need not to pressure so fast and give him time to get back naturally so there won't be any setbacks.
 
I hope that Daunta makes it back but we have to move foward like he won't be ready for the start of the season and if he make it back then that is a plus for us. I think we need not to pressure so fast and give him time to get back naturally so there won't be any setbacks.

I agree with you. One of the problems the Texans have faced over Kubiak's term is a dependence on recovering players. The Texans can't win that way. So they need to look for a new number one cornerback.

That being said, everything I have read from and about Dunta has me convinced he will be back and playing, probably quicker than any of us expect. I don't think he would accept anything less than that from himself.
 
I agree with you. One of the problems the Texans have faced over Kubiak's term is a dependence on recovering players. The Texans can't win that way. So they need to look for a new number one cornerback.

That being said, everything I have read from and about Dunta has me convinced he will be back and playing, probably quicker than any of us expect. I don't think he would accept anything less than that from himself.

I feel confident Dunta will be back and playing in the NFL, hopefully for our team. However, I don't think he's going to be the old Dunta that we all liked. We really need a starting cB in FA or the Draft and when Dunta returns I think he'd be a heck of a nickle for us. finally we'd be strong at CB that would only be a good thing playing against Peyton + by then our DL should be consistently putting pressure on the QB and we'd look like the Giants.
 
I concur! There is no way we need to even glance at another TE. OD, Dreesen, and Bruener or Putzier is all we need. We can draft one in the 6th if we must for depth purposes. Focus salary cap matters on bigger needs. That's what good front offices do, and we are building one great FO. Have some faith!

Green is NOT the last big free agent we bring in. I fully expect one Big name talent, or three "second tier" talents that will fill holes.

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The current TEs are under contract and to cut any will still cost against cap and I do not see team cutting any. I am not sure on Dreesen's contract but do not see him geting cut. TE is a strength not a weakness. I also expect a significant hole to be addressed in FA.
 
The current TEs are under contract and to cut any will still cost against cap and I do not see team cutting any. I am not sure on Dreesen's contract but do not see him geting cut. TE is a strength not a weakness. I also expect a significant hole to be addressed in FA.

any Texans fan whos been aware of the Texans needs & shortcomings knows that TE is & has never been one of its strengths. thats just not accurate. Owen Daniels, a 4th rd. draft pick has been a breath of fresh air, until him Billy Miller anyone? mark Brunner basicly extra LT thats good for a couple catches a season. now Jeb Purtzier from Kubiacks Denver days along with FB Jameel Cook have done exactly what? filled roster spots & salary cap space something we both need & can eliminate. something you can address in FA, IMO :cool:
 
I feel confident Dunta will be back and playing in the NFL, hopefully for our team. However, I don't think he's going to be the old Dunta that we all liked. We really need a starting cB in FA or the Draft and when Dunta returns I think he'd be a heck of a nickle for us. finally we'd be strong at CB that would only be a good thing playing against Peyton + by then our DL should be consistently putting pressure on the QB and we'd look like the Giants.

Rick Smith himself said that Dunta wouldn't be back until AT LEAST the second half of the season. Dunta may say it will be sooner, but I'm sure our GM knows what he's talking about. If anything they usually tell us it will be sooner (see: Charles Spencer and AJ). I'll try and find a link. I know he's a fighter, but as someone just said...he'll be a Nickle at best next season. I TRULY hope I'm wrong.
 
He tore his ACL and LCL and ripped the hamstring off the bone.

Oh wow. Was I ever wrong.

I'd love for us to nab Asomaugh away from the Raiders. Looking at their roster bad as we got hit with injuries I'm looking at lot of IRs there.

A lot of people have mentioned Fargas...IR. Looks like Seth Wand landed on the squad as well. Donovan Darius was also released.

Looks like landing another top flight corner becomes imperative now. CB is easier to address in FA.
 
any Texans fan whos been aware of the Texans needs & shortcomings knows that TE is & has never been one of its strengths. thats just not accurate. Owen Daniels, a 4th rd. draft pick has been a breath of fresh air, until him Billy Miller anyone? mark Brunner basicly extra LT thats good for a couple catches a season. now Jeb Purtzier from Kubiacks Denver days along with FB Jameel Cook have done exactly what? filled roster spots & salary cap space something we both need & can eliminate. something you can address in FA, IMO :cool:

i seem to recall the coaches saying that cook is one of our best ST players.. jeb has contributed much though.. we can get TEs cheap as UDFA's anyway who can contribute so im not too bothered about it
 
any Texans fan whos been aware of the Texans needs & shortcomings knows that TE is & has never been one of its strengths. thats just not accurate. Owen Daniels, a 4th rd. draft pick has been a breath of fresh air, until him Billy Miller anyone? mark Brunner basicly extra LT thats good for a couple catches a season. now Jeb Purtzier from Kubiacks Denver days along with FB Jameel Cook have done exactly what? filled roster spots & salary cap space something we both need & can eliminate. something you can address in FA, IMO :cool:
Completely disagree with you assessment. Putzier was signed to be the go to guy at TE under the Denver offensive scheme that Kubes used. Owen Daniel beat him out. The fact that Kubes was a big fan of Kevin Walter imo increased passes to him that may have gone to TE. Breuner is used for his blocking skills but his use will be reduced also because of OD's skills. Breuner has more upside in a Sherman type O than in the O we will see next season. Going forward, I see an even more balance passing attack with emphasis on AJ, Andre Davis (if signed), Walters and JJ. Our RBs will also see an increase of passes especially if Mendenhall, Stewart or J. Charles are selected. TEs will go for that short yardage type pass for a first down or TD or as a dump release to protect QB.

I repeat, tight end is a strength in this O and nothing of significance will be done to add. A cheap FA or lower round pick may be used as BPA only. Just my 2 cents.
 
For the love of god no LJ Smith please! that cat cant catch passes and I would rather have the TE's we have now
 
Completely disagree with you assessment. Putzier was signed to be the go to guy at TE under the Denver offensive scheme that Kubes used. Owen Daniel beat him out. The fact that Kubes was a big fan of Kevin Walter imo increased passes to him that may have gone to TE. Breuner is used for his blocking skills but his use will be reduced also because of OD's skills. Breuner has more upside in a Sherman type O than in the O we will see next season. Going forward, I see an even more balance passing attack with emphasis on AJ, Andre Davis (if signed), Walters and JJ. Our RBs will also see an increase of passes especially if Mendenhall, Stewart or J. Charles are selected. TEs will go for that short yardage type pass for a first down or TD or as a dump release to protect QB.

I repeat, tight end is a strength in this O and nothing of significance will be done to add. A cheap FA or lower round pick may be used as BPA only. Just my 2 cents.

The ONLY thing I can see wrong with our TE corps is that Bruener is getting pretty old and Owen Daniels showed a real lack of blocking talent in pass protection and run blocking. I could see if they got a huge TE like Cottram in the 6th or 7th round to take Bruener's role but other than that, I don't see them taking a TE too much earlier than that because we lack our 2nd rounder.
 
Completely disagree with you assessment. Putzier was signed to be the go to guy at TE under the Denver offensive scheme that Kubes used. Owen Daniel beat him out. The fact that Kubes was a big fan of Kevin Walter imo increased passes to him that may have gone to TE. Breuner is used for his blocking skills but his use will be reduced also because of OD's skills. Breuner has more upside in a Sherman type O than in the O we will see next season. Going forward, I see an even more balance passing attack with emphasis on AJ, Andre Davis (if signed), Walters and JJ. Our RBs will also see an increase of passes especially if Mendenhall, Stewart or J. Charles are selected. TEs will go for that short yardage type pass for a first down or TD or as a dump release to protect QB.


I agree with what you are saying, but you can never have too many capable tight ends. Tight ends take a beating. Shockey found that out this year. Even Owen was bleeding from the face this year. It would never be out of the question for us to look for more weapons for the position.

Putzier should be the #2 tight end next year, unless we add another player to challenge him. I think Bruener's days are over as a Texan and probably in the NFL. If we were to add a tight end I think we do it in the later rounds of the draft. Any significant FA is going to be more money than we want to spend on a TE.
 
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Completely disagree with you assessment. Putzier was signed to be the go to guy at TE under the Denver offensive scheme that Kubes used. Owen Daniel beat him out. The fact that Kubes was a big fan of Kevin Walter imo increased passes to him that may have gone to TE. Breuner is used for his blocking skills but his use will be reduced also because of OD's skills. Breuner has more upside in a Sherman type O than in the O we will see next season. Going forward, I see an even more balance passing attack with emphasis on AJ, Andre Davis (if signed), Walters and JJ. Our RBs will also see an increase of passes especially if Mendenhall, Stewart or J. Charles are selected. TEs will go for that short yardage type pass for a first down or TD or as a dump release to protect QB.

I repeat, tight end is a strength in this O and nothing of significance will be done to add. A cheap FA or lower round pick may be used as BPA only. Just my 2 cents.

well if TE is a strength of this team thats not saying much is it?

we're talking FA here, all three players mentioned where aquired via free agency, meaning they were let go, cut from their respective teams & designated special........ teams material.

this will be Brueners 14th season coming up. @ what point do physical skills diminish, loss of foot speed, laterial quickness & desire to compete against much younger athletes? beleive this is the last year of a contract he signed back in 06 so I have no problem keeping him for insurance but you have to look ahead & this roster spot could be upgraded once again via FA.

However we could see Joel Dreessen stepping into Marks role as the starting blocking TE, better hands & speed. 6th rd. selection of the Jets but released picked up in FA via the Texans in 07. one of the last roster cuts this past season but then brought back & stuck with the active roster bascily the rest of the way. is he comparable to Kevin Boss of the Giants? maybe would like to get a better look this season.

Forgot to even mention Jeb Purtzier, somehow he just slipped my mind, maybe its cause he's never done anything. was hoping he would be our Dallas Clark, what happened anyway? also signed as a free agent in 06, former 6th rd. draft pick, notice a trend? he's caught a whopping total of 6 passes for the Texans in two years, boy I can't wait to see him pad those totals in 08.

Cook was relesed by Tampa & picked up by the Texans in 06. spent 07 on the PUP. once again brought in for blocking & special teams play. Very limited role player, who will be in competition for a roster spot with Jon Abbote, wanna take bets who will make the team in the fall?

Not trying to make a big deal out of it, just posting these are the type of free agent deals, moves the Texans will have an opportunity to make, not the flashy big name high dollar CB's etc.....there is no one single area of strength on this team its pretty evenly dispersed with balance close to NFL averages. Salary cap has a lot to do with that so the playing field remains even for all teams to compete if they're smart, effeicent, good talent evaluators/coaching & cap management savy.
 
Oh, oh. I just realized that Breuner is a UFA this season. I thought he was under contract. I think he will be 36 this season. This changes my POV some. I still think we are set with 3 TEs as I said and the new O will decrease somewhat the emphasis on TE.
 
Cottam will be gone before the 5th round he is looking to be a good blocking/pass protection / catch the ball kind of TE
 
The ONLY thing I can see wrong with our TE corps is that Bruener is getting pretty old and Owen Daniels showed a real lack of blocking talent in pass protection and run blocking. I could see if they got a huge TE like Cottram in the 6th or 7th round to take Bruener's role but other than that, I don't see them taking a TE too much earlier than that because we lack our 2nd rounder.

That's two faults right there.

Add to those two Daniels' nasty habit of fumbling. (Somebody get that man some stickum :) )

Also add that neither Dressen nor Putzier is a speed threat to go deep down the middle of the field. And we all know Bruener is there to support the run game - which, I will say, he does well.

So IMHO, TE can/shouldbe upgraded. But certainly not before our LT, DB, and RB spots are addressed.
 
That's two faults right there.

Add to those two Daniels' nasty habit of fumbling. (Somebody get that man some stickum :) )

Also add that neither Dressen nor Putzier is a speed threat to go deep down the middle of the field. And we all know Bruener is there to support the run game - which, I will say, he does well.

So IMHO, TE can/shouldbe upgraded. But certainly not before our LT, DB, and RB spots are addressed.

I disagree. I don't think the fumbling is a problem really. Well at least its not a trend. He had a 3 game spell in which he had a fumble other than that he has one fumble in the other 29 games he's played in in his career.

As for his blocking, he's not a LT by any means but he's at least average or better for a TE. Run blocking he's not great at I'll grant you that. But I think TE is about our last concern.

Especially considering Dressens development. He's doesn't have great speed but he certainly fast enough to get open in the flats etc.


Mike
 
While I agree with most of what you said, I also think they could target any number of another CB that are going to be FA because not only do we needa starting CB but we also need a nickle CB, that is unless you are satisfied with Faggins as a nickle (I am not) So others like .

CB Drayton Florence (Chargers)
CB Jacques Reeves (Dallas)
CB Domonique Foxworth (Broncos) I know but look who he is playing behind.

Also if you are going to look at another WR out of Davis I would look at Bryant Johnson (Cardinals). Do not forget with injuries I also think a RG could be looked at in FA or at the very least we need depth along the line and almost anyone would be better than roster eating, cap eating and oxygen waisting Jordan Black.

if we take reeves i'm selling my seats..lol...that guy is a joke and is not a nfl caliber player. Get a corner in the draft..we are not that far away so lets build thru the draft and let these young guys grow together.
 
I'm all for Asomugha. He had an incredible number of interceptions in 2006. (Was rarely thrown against last season.) Bringing him in will increase the Texans turn-overs, which the Texans have said is one of their biggest priorities during the offseason. Bennett looked good, and I think he will hold his own, at least until Dunta returns. (JMO, Dunta will return.) This is a huge upgrade to the backfield, and the sort of move that could take the Texans from a mediocre team to a play-off team.

The raiders might be one of the worst teams in the league but they are still not stupid. Asoumugha is not leaving oakland. He is part of the reason we got tricked into the buchanon deal.
 
That's two faults right there.

Add to those two Daniels' nasty habit of fumbling. (Somebody get that man some stickum :) )

Also add that neither Dressen nor Putzier is a speed threat to go deep down the middle of the field. And we all know Bruener is there to support the run game - which, I will say, he does well.

So IMHO, TE can/shouldbe upgraded. But certainly not before our LT, DB, and RB spots are addressed.
Would you upgrade TE before outside line backer or DE?
 
I disagree. I don't think the fumbling is a problem really. Well at least its not a trend. He had a 3 game spell in which he had a fumble other than that he has one fumble in the other 29 games he's played in in his career.

As for his blocking, he's not a LT by any means but he's at least average or better for a TE. Run blocking he's not great at I'll grant you that. But I think TE is about our last concern.

Especially considering Dressens development. He's doesn't have great speed but he certainly fast enough to get open in the flats etc.


Mike
You and I are on same page here Mike. I remember one of OD's fumbles and I thought "Crap! I hope he gets up." Say what you want but there will be some hits that cause fumbles. How many TEs do we need in the new offense? Are OD, Putzier and Dreesen enough? I say yes.
 
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