Texansballer74
The Marine
Austin you don’t think Kelly is doing a better job now that Bull O’Brien is gone?
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Austin you don’t think Kelly is doing a better job now that Bull O’Brien is gone?
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
DW4 would be good in any scheme imo but I actually think a WCO offense would set him & this team back a little at least temporarily b/c in its purest form it is a timing-based offense that relies quite a bit on being balanced in the pass & run; more than the EP or air raid spread style offenses...Aside from that, where we are right now, he'd almost certainly be having to go off-script quite a bit due to everyone learning the new scheme, lack of weaponry around him etc..& as good as he is at that, I don't know if a new HC would want that for his star player. Plus, we're anything but balanced on offense right now.
So........ it really all depends on what you're trying to do. Short term turnaround & tweak as you go...or the long term rebuild & hope you realize your vision. Most often new incoming HC's choose the quick turnaround & tweak model vs. the long term rebuild model b/c they want to be able to show the players and fanbase that they are for real & that the team wasn't as bad as they thought & they can contend. This is what I want as a fan b/c its easy to improve a team from being really bad to mediocore. It however is exponentially tougher to move a team from mediocore to really good & that's where most of these guys struggle after that initial improvement & why they ultimately get fired after 3-4 years. I think if we are successful in choosing our next GM & HC, this is a very viable model for us. Don't completely change the offense, just mold it a little more to DW4, probably change the blocking scheme & focus all your energies on getting the defense at least respectable. & in the following years after the initial 2, you tweak the team & build your talent base as you go along.
If you're eyeing a complete tear down & rebuild, then you're looking at something along the lines of what Gruden has done in LV....& as an incoming HC, you better be smart like him and ink a 10 year contract b/c if you take that route you're looking at a minimum 3 year project to make a team a true contender & chances are you won't get to see the fruits of your labor. As we see with Gruden, he's already in year 3 & his team isn't any further along than they probably would've been if he'd taken the opposite approach. Still, if you're gonna do it this way, go ahead & make the switch to the WCO. but you're still most likely going to have to overhaul the o-line positions from guard to guard, get a big body possession WR to go with Coutee & Fuller.......(if we wind up keeping those guys) change up your blocking scheme & most likely get a stud RB to fit it......oh, & you're still pretty much going to have to overhaul the defense as well. But now, you've also got the added pressure of having to stay competitive enough in those 2-3 years of rebuild to make Tunsil & DW4 wanna resign here...All of that, & you still might not last long enough to see the fruits of your labor if you crap the bed those 1st 2 years.
To be fair, the last part about Tunsil & DW4 also holds true with the short term approach, but b/c you're actively trying to contend, In theory it should be easier to retain those guys if you're in that mode & you wind up with a playoff birth or 2. The problem with the long term rebuild is that the approach takes longer and you can kinda end up in no mans land in terms of what you're trying to do. Players sense that & eventually want out....See the Houston Rockets for example.
So........ it really all depends on what you're trying to do. Short term turnaround & tweak as you go...or the long term rebuild & hope you realize your vision. Most often new incoming HC's choose the quick turnaround & tweak model vs. the long term rebuild model b/c they want to be able to show the players and fanbase that they are for real & that the team wasn't as bad as they thought & they can contend. This is what I want as a fan b/c its easy to improve a team from being really bad to mediocore. It however is exponentially tougher to move a team from mediocore to really good & that's where most of these guys struggle after that initial improvement & why they ultimately get fired after 3-4 years. I think if we are successful in choosing our next GM & HC, this is a very viable model for us. Don't completely change the offense, just mold it a little more to DW4, probably change the blocking scheme & focus all your energies on getting the defense at least respectable. & in the following years after the initial 2, you tweak the team & build your talent base as you go along.
If you're eyeing a complete tear down & rebuild, then you're looking at something along the lines of what Gruden has done in LV....& as an incoming HC, you better be smart like him and ink a 10 year contract b/c if you take that route you're looking at a minimum 3 year project to make a team a true contender & chances are you won't get to see the fruits of your labor. As we see with Gruden, he's already in year 3 & his team isn't any further along than they probably would've been if he'd taken the opposite approach. Still, if you're gonna do it this way, go ahead & make the switch to the WCO. but you're still most likely going to have to overhaul the o-line positions from guard to guard, get a big body possession WR to go with Coutee & Fuller.......(if we wind up keeping those guys) change up your blocking scheme & most likely get a stud RB to fit it......oh, & you're still pretty much going to have to overhaul the defense as well. But now, you've also got the added pressure of having to stay competitive enough in those 2-3 years of rebuild to make Tunsil & DW4 wanna resign here...All of that, & you still might not last long enough to see the fruits of your labor if you crap the bed those 1st 2 years.
To be fair, the last part about Tunsil & DW4 also holds true with the short term approach, but b/c you're actively trying to contend, In theory it should be easier to retain those guys if you're in that mode & you wind up with a playoff birth or 2. The problem with the long term rebuild is that the approach takes longer and you can kinda end up in no mans land in terms of what you're trying to do. Players sense that & eventually want out....See the Houston Rockets for example.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
WCO's are most often used to mask a qb's inabilities not enhance them. For every Young, Favre, Rodgers and Mahomes that run it masterfully............... b/c they are great athletes & don't need great run games or protection to support them, you have your Schaub's, Ryan's, Cousin's and Goff's who aren't great athletes and are dead in the water for defenses if conditions aren't perfect.
That's the beauty of guys like DW4...........& Wilson before him, is that their mobility can be incorporated into any type of scheme; whether its purely EP, WCO or some amalgamation of the 2. So imo, you don't necessarily have to completely change the offense. He is a pretty balanced qb & I don't think you're going to get a whole lot more out of him in a pure WCO than you would if all you did was add in more play-action, qb waggle and rollout options to what he's already doing. With even a sliver of a run game, he'd be ridiculous.
austins23
Hall of Fame
I really don't. The running game is still really bad. I know, OL and Devlin, etc. But if I'm going to say that Kelly is doing a better job since OB has left the building then that running game needs to be better. If he's the OC he needs to come up with something to get the RB's some space to run.
The passing game has been a bit better lately, but I still don't see anything new in formations, etc. I still do not see any motion by the WR's, TE's. It's the same offense maybe just being executed better now. I've mentioned it before but I think these guys are just having fun now, winging it, plus they got a couple of wins and it gives everyone a bit more confidence.
Let's see what Kelly comes up with this Sunday. Long winded answer I know, but I do not think he's doing a better job.
"BULL" O'Brien, lol!
Texansballer74
The Marine
“I think they’re putting more on Deshaun’s shoulders in terms of him figuring situations out to create plays down the field,” Avery said. “I think when your head coach is a play-caller, there’s a tentativeness to your play-call selection. That made it difficult for him to call the game in a way that he necessarily wanted to, but now he’s able to call it as he sees it and there’s not too many chefs in the kitchen.”
Kelly has been smart enough to recognize what he has in Watson and what he has is one of the smartest pocket passers in the NFL. We rarely hear the fourth-year quarterback described in those terms. Beyond the obvious explanation for why that is — good old fashion racial bias — Avery has another theory explaining why the NFL world at large hasn’t recognized that aspect of Watson’s ever-expanding skillset.
76Texan posted this on another thread. This is one reason why you keep Kelly.
Kelly has been smart enough to recognize what he has in Watson and what he has is one of the smartest pocket passers in the NFL. We rarely hear the fourth-year quarterback described in those terms. Beyond the obvious explanation for why that is — good old fashion racial bias — Avery has another theory explaining why the NFL world at large hasn’t recognized that aspect of Watson’s ever-expanding skillset.
76Texan posted this on another thread. This is one reason why you keep Kelly.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Weiss was a very good OC but was never cut-out to be a HC. Not a bad thing b/c it has happened to some really good NFL coordinators. OB could never select Weiss to be his OC b/c he was far too insecure in himself to allow a coach on hs staff that could've been there as a potential HC replacement option for the McNair's.
bigmck
Rookie
Just wear a mask. It helps everything.................
bigmck
Rookie
The names you mention would all be good but they are a dream. We are going to get some guy that has two years experience and a lot of Potential, just like O'Brien.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
worked out for the Rams.
When Romeo was hired, I was hoping he would have contacted Weiss or even Todd Haley to review the offense and provide feedback.
FatSeagal
Noob
I think with how many holes our defense has, and how much money is tied to our offence, that I would rather have an offensive mind leading the team.
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badboy
Hall of Fame
Brian Dabo as assistant head coach/OC?
badboy
Hall of Fame
Did you just take your socks off just before sneezing and shudders began?
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
That post is 3 weeks old. Had an allergy fit I guess and got anxious since i was (still am) around so many positives.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I guess you missed my attempt at humor
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Completely. Its been a long f'ing day.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Praying 2021 brings great reduction in stress for you and yours.
NastyNate
I go kerplunk
I'm all in on Pete Carmichael, he was the one who found Joe Brady and brought him in with the Saints. I want a coach who can recognize great coaches to bring on board. He also seems like a hell of a personnel guy based on watching quite a few of his interviews.
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SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Harbaugh... Former QB and proven winner both at the college and NFL level. Combine him with a good GM and you have a great situation for winning. And he will bring many coaches from Michigan. On being his OL coach who is one of the best OL coaches around... period. Something we need badly. As well as his DC who has had Michigan as a top 15 D in college football (I think he was a pro coach also) in all but this season if I recall correctly.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Watson in a WC system is a good and bad idea. The shorter throws help him with not getting hit as much as well as opening up a deep strike here and there. The bad side is he has to read a D spot on pre snap which is not a strong suit and the timing with recievers will take a bit to master. WC system has many throw to a spot type plays. If either Watson or the receiver is not on the same page...it will be a disaster. Probably be a 1/2-1 season before it's spot on. So, it has a positive and negative side to it.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Texans general manager search: Former Browns, Chiefs GM John Dorsey expected to interview with Houston
Houston is already rolling on their search for a new lead man in the front office
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Chris
Waterboy
That's who I want, a coach who couldn't beat Ohio State since he arrived in Ann Arbor
FatSeagal
Noob
Harbaugh's scheme is getting criticism for being archaic even for college standards and Jim hasn't had a good season In how long now? I rather get a HC who's stock is raising than falling at the moment.
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SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Jim is using what works. Always has and always will. Run the ball to set up the pass. However, he uses a different system in the NFL. Which is a ZBS for the run and a WC pass system. Combine the two and yes you probably know what is coming but you can't stop it. And he was winning almost every year besides the new class took a poop. His D is always good. It's almost worth having him due to the OL coach that is amazing and we need and the D that his staff can put together. Plus, he won with Colin and he is similar to Watson. So much so that when Watson was hurt, many wanted to sign Colin seeing their games are very similar.
Over every HC I think could be wanting to come here. He is #1 or 2. Past that...they are all about the same with near zero experience in the NFL.
Too bad that somebody like big, bad John Dorsey wasn't already the GM here when O'Brien was the HC to kick him in the azz when he actually suggested a trade of the type he made with Hopkins to the Cards, so yea I'm pretty sure Dorsey is not the kind of guy that suffers fools so dunno how little Cal would get along with such a high-octane GM but the Texans could certainly do far worse at GM than a guy who drafted both Patrick MaHomes and Baker Mayfield.Texans general manager search: Former Browns, Chiefs GM John Dorsey expected to interview with Houston
Houston is already rolling on their search for a new lead man in the front office
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Hopkins trade was not just a football choice. And seeing how the FO has always been good at not airing the dirty laundry. We may not ever know.
FatSeagal
Noob
That's True about the Hopkins trade. I do believe there was more going on behind the scenes that lead him to being traded. Can't help but think that having a would GM would have gotten a better return on Hopkins talent. However it's kind of a "what if" game at this point.
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leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
I like Haley as an OC. I hope Bieniemy is the headcoach and he hires Haley as OC
TxnsJuggernaut1
Veteran
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...-houston-texans-job/ar-BB1bTyHP?ocid=msedgdhp
I don't know if this was shared already because I did not care to read every page. Hope it wasn't.
I don't know if this was shared already because I did not care to read every page. Hope it wasn't.
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Bieniemy isn't a bad choice but I have my concerns with his ability to assemble a strong coaching staff in his first stint.
As for Schottenheimer, I've never been impressed with him and making him the HC would be a major risk in my book.
I think the Texans need a veteran HC who can bring an existing coaching staff or would have no problem assembling a strong staff. My first choice, back the Brinks truck up in Dabo Sweeney's driveway and see if the money is enough to get him to make the jump. In all reality....he, like Saban have jobs and stature you could only dream of as a HC. Sweeney stays in Clemson. My second choice is Jim Harbaugh. Harbaugh has an NFL ready coaching staff in my book. As for Harbaugh, he's got the track record of success which includes taking the 49'ers to the Super Bowl. I like his experience and willingness to recognize when he needs to make changes to his own philosophies. He also has on his staff OL Coach, Ed Warriner who is considered the best OL coach in the nation....couldn't hurt having him coaching up the Texans OL.
As for Schottenheimer, I've never been impressed with him and making him the HC would be a major risk in my book.
I think the Texans need a veteran HC who can bring an existing coaching staff or would have no problem assembling a strong staff. My first choice, back the Brinks truck up in Dabo Sweeney's driveway and see if the money is enough to get him to make the jump. In all reality....he, like Saban have jobs and stature you could only dream of as a HC. Sweeney stays in Clemson. My second choice is Jim Harbaugh. Harbaugh has an NFL ready coaching staff in my book. As for Harbaugh, he's got the track record of success which includes taking the 49'ers to the Super Bowl. I like his experience and willingness to recognize when he needs to make changes to his own philosophies. He also has on his staff OL Coach, Ed Warriner who is considered the best OL coach in the nation....couldn't hurt having him coaching up the Texans OL.
TxnsJuggernaut1
Veteran
If pedigree and an association with success hold any weight in who we chose as a head coach than Brian Schottenheimer is a good choice. His dad Marty is one of the winningest head coaches in NFL history. Marty did not have a lot of success in the playoffs but there were reasons outside of himself in a few of his losses that got in the way. I know that pedigree alone is not a sure bet for a GM but I don't find it that big of a risk. That is just my penny's worth.
- Who would be Harbaugh's OC's?
- You'd want Swinney and, presumably, Tony Elliot to be your HC and OC.. two men who've never been around an NFL program whatsoever?
I don't understand what makes people think Swinney would lead wealthy independent grown men the same way he does college kids. He's a pied piper at Clemson with his little orange fiefdom. I think his pro comp would be Steve Spurrier actually.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Michigan OC is Josh Gattis. He was brought on board in 2019 to bring the Wolverines offense current to CFB's passing game standards. Michigan is still recruiting the new offensive personnel to run Gattis' offense. Take a look at Gattis....it's worth the read.
Sweeney like Jimmy Johnson would be fresh blood to the NFL. Jimmy Johnson was laughed at and made fun of until he handed everyone their arses. Sweeney is a very good HC with what appears to be a lot of character. Pro players can spot BS artist a mile away and that just doesn't look like Sweeney. I see Sweeney and his staff needing a season to modify their plans to combat the NFL speed difference but I don't see that as an insurmountable hurdle. I see pro players responding to him the same way as he young ones b/c he really cares about the players and the overall success of the team. Just my opinion.
TxnsJuggernaut1
Veteran
I like the idea of Jim Harbaugh but as good a head coach as he was with the 49ers they still felt he was expendable. It was said his arrogance and personality rubbed people the wrong way. With that said I can see him getting another chance. I think the pro game fits him a lot better than college.
TxnsJuggernaut1
Veteran
If pedigree and an association with success hold any weight in who we choose as a head coach than Brian Schottenheimer is a good choice. His dad Marty is one of the winningest head coaches in NFL history. Marty did not have a lot of success in the playoffs but there were reasons outside of himself in a few of his losses that got in the way. I know that pedigree alone is not a sure bet for a head coach but I don't find it that big of a risk due to Brian being surrounded by football and coaching most of his life.
Yes, Brian had some rough stops along the way to having success with the Seattle Seahawks and Russell Wilson, but I see that having more to do with him not having a quarterback or offensive talent that he felt better working with.
There also are worse head coaches he could be working with when it comes to learning other than Pete Carroll.
In DW4 we have a similar QB to Russell Wilson and I think it could be a good fit.
My favorite choice would be Eric Bieniemy. The NFL could stand to hire more minorities for head coach and Eric Bieniemy has plenty of experience and success now. He seems like a good fit in regards to our offense but I would like to believe he would do well running the whole team. Also it can't hurt that he has had some time to work under Andy Reid.
As far as Dabo Swinney, he has said he has no interest in coming to the NFL and with his situation in college I can understand why. He could do well in the NFL but just the same he could fail. At this time he is among the winningest coaches in college and pretty much has a sure thing going in regards to vying for championships year in and year out. Seems to be too risky to take the NFL leap.
Yes, Brian had some rough stops along the way to having success with the Seattle Seahawks and Russell Wilson, but I see that having more to do with him not having a quarterback or offensive talent that he felt better working with.
There also are worse head coaches he could be working with when it comes to learning other than Pete Carroll.
In DW4 we have a similar QB to Russell Wilson and I think it could be a good fit.
My favorite choice would be Eric Bieniemy. The NFL could stand to hire more minorities for head coach and Eric Bieniemy has plenty of experience and success now. He seems like a good fit in regards to our offense but I would like to believe he would do well running the whole team. Also it can't hurt that he has had some time to work under Andy Reid.
As far as Dabo Swinney, he has said he has no interest in coming to the NFL and with his situation in college I can understand why. He could do well in the NFL but just the same he could fail. At this time he is among the winningest coaches in college and pretty much has a sure thing going in regards to vying for championships year in and year out. Seems to be too risky to take the NFL leap.
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I know about Josh Gattis. Just didn't think that's who you'd prefer to be your OC here.
Well we certainly disagree on Swinney. Particularly on the spotting bs point. I believe he runs a very cult-like amateur appropriate program that would be sniffed out in no time at the pro level. It works magnificently well at Clemson, and he deserves his credit for that. But I don't think it's at all like Jimmy Johnson, I think that's just the simple go-to for a positive example. Johnson wasn't a rah-rah guy like Swinney, or like Spurrier like I said. In fact without all the best players that he can't just recruit in the nfl I don't know what his advantage is versus his, imo, hinderances. I can't see why anyone would bring him up if not for the Deshaun factor, really.
If there were any college coaches I'd like to see have an opportunity it'd be Urban Meyer or Dan Mullen. I don't really think Meyer would want to, but I absolutely see him leading men and coming from a background of program building - multiple times in fact in varied ways. And Mullen is a disciple of his with an equal pedigree in using mobile qbs who's built or recovered programs from a place of behind the eightball on talent.
TxnsJuggernaut1
Veteran
Chiefs’ Eric Bieniemy Could Be ‘Package Deal’ for New Team: Report
Bieniemy & Ex-Chiefs GM a Package Deal?
According to FanSided national NFL columnist Matt Lombardo on Wednesday, teams looking to hand their head coaching reins over to Bieniemy this offseason may need to satisfy an important condition first: hiring veteran executive John Dorsey as their next general manager.
Chiefs’ Eric Bieniemy Could Be ‘Package Deal’ for New Team: Report | Heavy.com
Bieniemy & Ex-Chiefs GM a Package Deal?
According to FanSided national NFL columnist Matt Lombardo on Wednesday, teams looking to hand their head coaching reins over to Bieniemy this offseason may need to satisfy an important condition first: hiring veteran executive John Dorsey as their next general manager.
Lombardo also notes that it could be Dorsey’s situation, not Bieniemy’s, that could dictate where Andy Reid’s top offensive assistant lands next.
Chiefs’ Eric Bieniemy Could Be ‘Package Deal’ for New Team: Report | Heavy.com
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
On the radio about a month ago, I was listening to pros/cons of an offensive vs defensive oriented HC. One of the hosts mentioned his preference was for a defensive minded HC but he thought an offensive minded HC would be the best bet for the Texans. His rationale was that good OCs are often picked up for HC opportunities before DCs and that has a greater effect on consistency especially if your HC has a defensive background. Thoughts?
If the Bears fire Nagy and Bieniemy gets the job, I would prefer Nagy.
Decim8
Veteran
You should see what they say about him on the bears forum.....mirror images of us with OB lol
I've always been the "defense wins championship" type and it's why I lean slightly more towards a defensive minded HC
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
I'd rather have an outstanding defense with a fairly decent offense, than an outstanding offense with a fairly decent defense. I think your odds are better that way.
I don't have any universal preference for an OC or DC type as my HC. I think there are far too many more moving parts to think that's gonna be 'the thing'..
Is he a leader of men?
Is he organizationally skilled?
What are his particular priorities within an organization?
Can he identify talent?
How well does he know the x's and o's of the other sides of the ball?
How are his connections with a prospective staff?
How well does he delegate and maintain authority?
How does he deal with adversity?
How does he deal with success?
How does he deal with stress?
OC's and DC's, and even STC's, have shown to have success as HC's. I can't imagine that one thing propelling such an important decision.
Is he a leader of men?
Is he organizationally skilled?
What are his particular priorities within an organization?
Can he identify talent?
How well does he know the x's and o's of the other sides of the ball?
How are his connections with a prospective staff?
How well does he delegate and maintain authority?
How does he deal with adversity?
How does he deal with success?
How does he deal with stress?
OC's and DC's, and even STC's, have shown to have success as HC's. I can't imagine that one thing propelling such an important decision.
Let me clarify. Bienemy as HC and Nagy as OC not HC. The reason is Nagy has experience with the system and worked with Bienemy in KC.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Only one way to find out and that’s to give whoever it is a shot. He might just surprise us.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
I agree. But, I would also take the OL coach as an OC/Asst HC type role. He is one of the best OL coaches anywhere. And we need that in the worst way. A little about Ed below, and you can Google more. Gattis and Warinner would be a great O team.
Ed Warinner is now in his third season as Michigan's Donald C. Graham Football Offensive Line Coach in 2020. Warinner has demonstrated himself to be one of the top offensive line coaches in the nation, a reputation he has proven further at U-M.
As for the rest...this D staff has made Michigan a top D in the NCAA
Michigan Football: Jim Harbaugh's Staff Is Built to Maximize Recruiting
Jim Harbaugh said that he would hire “the best” assistants to “…carry forward the excellence of the University of Michigan football program...
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Chris
Waterboy
This wouldn't surprise me one bit if this happened
Early 2021 NFL Coaching Carousel Predictions | Bleacher Report | Latest News, Videos and Highlights
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