Favre Thread - Traded to Jets

[Second Honeymoon]

The Packers look to have capitulated to the Favre camp. Favre is being told there will be an open competition for the job between him and Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers is totally hating it right about now. As if you can even compare Rodgers to Favre, in a competition, Favre is the obvious winner. For them to even broach the subject shows they have indeed capitulated. Advantage Favre.

I do feel bad for Rodgers though because he has been pretty classy amidst this whole firestorm. We will see if that keeps up in the coming days...on....As The Favre Turns.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

The Packers look to have capitulated to the Favre camp. Favre is being told there will be an open competition for the job between him and Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers is totally hating it right about now. As if you can even compare Rodgers to Favre, in a competition, Favre is the obvious winner. For them to even broach the subject shows they have indeed capitulated. Advantage Favre.

The thing is that they've changed their offense to one that supposedly suits Rodgers. I'm betting that they're just going to say that Favre couldn't beat Rodgers out of the job because he couldn't pick up on the offense. And then they're going to make him sit on the bench.

 

[GP]

Total crap.

What good is a retirement filing? I sense this will make owners develop a league rule that says once you file retirement papers...you're unable to compete until serving a one-year absence. It'll be known as "The Brett Favre" rule. Heck, I'd go a step further and say that the player then reverts to a one-year league minimum contract when he's able to play again. That'd make players think twice about pulling this sort of stunt: You're gone for a year, AND you're now working for the league minimum because you can't make a commitment you can keep.

Green Bay should have been able to move on, and yet the commissioner is the one who is forcing the hand--Without the commissioner's pressure, this would have been a dead issue. What a load of political bullcrap.

I hope they trade him to Tampa Bay on the very moment he enters the training facility: "Hi Brett, Bye Brett. Here's a ticket to Quarterbackville." GB shouldn't keep him, shouldn't cut him, but they SHOULD get something for him to at least get something out of this stupid situation.

Guess this goes to show that NFL teams are at the mercy of a dictator named Roger.

Load of crap.

Men back in Lombardi's day would not have acted like Brett Favre. Someone tell me otherwise. Cause you know they wouldn't pull this sort of stunt on the team. Not like this.

 

[TexanSam]

So I heard on the radio and TV that Favre rejected trades to both the NY Jets and Tampa Bay. If I'm not mistaken, his contract doesn't have a no trade clause in it.

 

[GP]

So I heard on the radio and TV that Favre rejected trades to both the NY Jets and Tampa Bay. If I'm not mistaken, his contract doesn't have a no trade clause in it.

Yeah, he won't get traded.

Aaron Rodgers needs to see the writing on the wall and just ask to be traded himself.

"Although we built this year around the assumption that Brett meant what he said about retiring, Brett is coming back," Murphy said in the statement. "We will welcome him back and turn this situation to our advantage.

Translation: We got screwed because Brett decided he didn't want to keep his word like a man.

 

[GP]

Proof that people live in the past and don't know how to move forward. This is worse than heroin:

Barack Obama should ask Brett Favre to be his V.P. candidate. They could cure cancer together.

 

[ChampionTexan]

Total crap.

What good is a retirement filing? I sense this will make owners develop a league rule that says once you file retirement papers...you're unable to compete until serving a one-year absence. It'll be known as "The Brett Favre" rule. Heck, I'd go a step further and say that the player then reverts to a one-year league minimum contract when he's able to play again. That'd make players think twice about pulling this sort of stunt: You're gone for a year, AND you're now working for the league minimum because you can't make a commitment you can keep.

Green Bay should have been able to move on, and yet the commissioner is the one who is forcing the hand--Without the commissioner's pressure, this would have been a dead issue. What a load of political bullcrap.

I hope they trade him to Tampa Bay on the very moment he enters the training facility: "Hi Brett, Bye Brett. Here's a ticket to Quarterbackville." GB shouldn't keep him, shouldn't cut him, but they SHOULD get something for him to at least get something out of this stupid situation.

Guess this goes to show that NFL teams are at the mercy of a dictator named Roger.

Load of crap.

Men back in Lombardi's day would not have acted like Brett Favre. Someone tell me otherwise. Cause you know they wouldn't pull this sort of stunt on the team. Not like this.

Doesn't matter. According to Favre (and everything else that exists on the subject), Favre never filed the "Retirement Papers" anyway. The filing you might be thinking of (and the only one required on the players part) is really related to his pension. That's it, there are no other papers. The only thing Favre did was announce his retirement. The Packers then placed him on the reserve/retired list so his salary wouldn't count against the cap.

If you're talking about the announcement, and holding that binding, forget about the owners ever even wanting to do anything about that. The Chiefs would have killed a couple of year ago to get Willie Roaf to change his mind. I think that New England was okay with the idea that Junior Seau announced his retirement, and then turned around relatively quickly and signed on with the Pats.

Something tells me because there's one situation you're offended by, the NFL owners aren't going to rush out and implement a rule where one doesn't need to exist (and just going off the top of my head, would never come close to complying with the CBA).

 

[GP]

Doesn't matter. According to Favre (and everything else that exists on the subject), Favre never filed the "Retirement Papers" anyway. The filing you might be thinking of (and the only one required on the players part) is really related to his pension. That's it, there are no other papers. The only thing Favre did was announce his retirement. The Packers then placed him on the reserve/retired list so his salary wouldn't count against the cap.

If you're talking about the announcement, and holding that binding, forget about the owners ever even wanting to do anything about that. The Chiefs would have killed a couple of year ago to get Willie Roaf to change his mind. I think that New England was okay with the idea that Junior Seau announced his retirement, and then turned around relatively quickly and signed on with the Pats.

Something tells me because there's one situation you're offended by, the NFL owners aren't going to rush out and implement a rule where one doesn't need to exist (and just going off the top of my head, would never come close to complying with the CBA).

Really? You don't think owners see this and aren't thinking to themselves "Gee, the commissioner just forced a team to do something it didn't want to do...hmmmm.."

Owners don't like to be pushed around, which is the CBA got ripped up. When owners see something they don't like, they generally bring it up in the next owner's meeting(s) during the next offseason.

I'm at least wishing that it'll happen.

Everybody creaming themselves over Favre is enough to last a lifetime for me. I hope something gets worked out to quit this nonsense. A team drafted with the idea that Favre was done. They wanted to reward Rodgers for being a team player during the last few seasons of the Favre era, but NOPE! can't do that. And all the while, it's the caretaker of the NFL itself who muscled this through.

Yeah, I don't see why the owners would want to stipulate some conditions upon a player who says he's not coming back. You're right.

 

[Showtime100]

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we wanted to retire, we wanted to play, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way--in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only.

Favre can be a real Dickens when he can't make his mind up.

 

[2BCF]

Not sure what all the hostility is about.

The man asked to be released, GB should have granted it.
If not, then you play your best QB... that would be Favre.

 

[Showtime100]

Not sure what all the hostility is about.

The man asked to be released, GB should have granted it.
If not, then you play your best QB... that would be Favre.

If that is where you picked up on the story you have a point, but the story began with "I don't have the desire to play football anymore, I'm retiring. "

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Not sure what all the hostility is about.

The man asked to be released, GB should have granted it.
If not, then you play your best QB... that would be Favre.

Over the past several years, Favre has waited until the last moment to make up his mind on whether to retire or not. That makes it very hard for his team to plan.

Now, it's kinda turned out that the reason that Brett was doing this in previous years may be because he wanted the Green Bay FO and Coaches to beg him to stay as an ego stroke and because he didn't get along with them.

This year, he actually told them he was retiring. They changed the offense to suit Aaron Rodgers and they made moves to bring in more young QB's. And then he comes back with his feelings hurt because they didn't try harder to talk him out of retiring. He asks to be traded or released even though he's retired. He waits and waits to send in his request for re-instatement even though he's airing all of this to the media.

Personally, I think this all boils down to the fact that Brett doesn't like the new Front Office and the Front Office doesn't like Brett. He's trying to make them look bad and trying to force their hands. And their trying to get him to go away. To me, Brett is coming across as a very insecure prima donna. All of those cliches about the pampered veteran QB who holds himself above the team... that seems like what Brett has turned into. But on the other hand, the Packer's FO is coming across as having a lack of respect for their history and I'm pretty certain that they have a lack of respect for Brett.

 

[Texan_Bill]

Brett Favre / GB Packers

 

[WWJD]

Brett said in his Fox interview that he was burned out when he retired in March...he had been getting weekly phone calls from their coach since the season ended about what he wanted to do...he told the coach that he wanted to wait a bit longer but the coach told him no we need a decision by draft and free agency; that they were moving in a different direction.

He said he was told that playing in GB was not an option but was also told by the FO that they couldn't envision him playing anywhere else. So he had that March press conference.

He said he talked to the coach in June and told the coach he was thinking about coming back....and he told the coach he wanted to play for the Pack but was told they had moved on.

Brett felt that he needed until training camp to make up his mind completely about his decision.

He said he knew he would have second thoughts because he didn't want to make up his mind in March. He said he is guilty of retiring early but felt he had to make up his mind based on what he was told by the coach and in March he was not 100% committed to playing. He needed that extra few months to make up his mind.

This could have all been avoided if they had allowed him more time to think about it...what harm would it have done to allow him those extra months?

I don't feel like Brett has done anything wrong. He is guilty of changing his mind but they KNEW he might do just that. And that's just being human.

They should have said hey Brett take all the time you need...we have Aaron here that can step in if you do retire but take all the time you need.



That's all they had to do.

 

[eriadoc]

Brett said in his Fox interview that he was burned out when he retired in March...he had been getting weekly phone calls from their coach since the season ended about what he wanted to do...he told the coach that he wanted to wait a bit longer but the coach told him no we need a decision by draft and free agency; that they were moving in a different direction.

He said he was told that playing in GB was not an option but was also told by the FO that they couldn't envision him playing anywhere else. So he had that March press conference.

He said he talked to the coach in June and told the coach he was thinking about coming back....and he told the coach he wanted to play for the Pack but was told they had moved on.

Brett felt that he needed until training camp to make up his mind completely about his decision.

He said he knew he would have second thoughts because he didn't want to make up his mind in March. He said he is guilty of retiring early but felt he had to make up his mind based on what he was told by the coach and in March he was not 100% committed to playing. He needed that extra few months to make up his mind.

This could have all been avoided if they had allowed him more time to think about it...what harm would it have done to allow him those extra months?

I don't feel like Brett has done anything wrong. He is guilty of changing his mind but they KNEW he might do just that. And that's just being human.

They should have said hey Brett take all the time you need...we have Aaron here that can step in if you do retire but take all the time you need.



That's all they had to do.

All they had to do was delay organizational planning? As much as Favre and his nut-huggers would hate to recognize it, the GB Packers are bigger than Favre, and they have a responsibility to the organization, to the NFL, and to their fans to go forward with a cohesive plan. Asking a grown man to make a decision a full three months after the season ended is not unreasonable.

If I were Rodgers, I think I'd demand a trade. He's never going to get a real shot there. When he finally does take over, he will have wasted some of the prime years of his career sitting on the bench, and then he'll be unappreciated anyway as the guy who succeeded Favre. It's a no-win, so he may as well demand a trade.

 

[WWJD]

Like I said the Packers could have handled this VERY easily AND moved on..Brett or no Brett.

They could have just told him hey take your time. We've got Aaron here and if you retire we'll go with him; we have faith in him, blah, blah.

They could have done that.

Brett could have been given the additional months he said he needed (and he told them he needed to make a decision) and the Packers would have been fine either way. They get Brett back or they go with Aaron. What's hard to figure out about that. It doesn't make them look bad in any way; they show some deserved respect to their ace QB and everybody moves on.

That's all Brett said he needed. Call me whatever you want but I don't see how any of this made the Packers any less of a team or damaged them in any way.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Like I said the Packers could have handled this VERY easily AND moved on..Brett or no Brett.

They could have just told him hey take your time. We've got Aaron here and if you retire we'll go with him; we have faith in him, blah, blah.

They could have done that.

Brett could have been given the additional months he said he needed (and he told them he needed to make a decision) and the Packers would have been fine either way. They get Brett back or they go with Aaron. What's hard to figure out about that. It doesn't make them look bad in any way; they show some deserved respect to their ace QB and everybody moves on.

That's all Brett said he needed. Call me whatever you want but I don't see how any of this made the Packers any less of a team or damaged them in any way.

Take a look at their actions after Brett retired. Specifically, look at their drafting strategy. They took Brohm in the second. This gives them a very good safety net for the future if Aaron Rodgers isn't the guy and they also drafted Matt Flynn.

Obviously, the idea is to go with 2 QB's on the main roster and then Flynn on the PS.

If Brett's coming back, they don't do that. They probably make another selection other than Brohm in the 2nd round. Now they're going to be forced to carry 3 QB's on the main roster (they can't stick Brohm on the PS, he won't clear waivers) which takes away a roster spot somewhere else.

I'm not sure exactly what this move means for the cap but they're going to have a lot less money to work with to bring in free agents if they have injuries or if they identify a need at one position or another. If they cut him or trade him, then he's STILL counting against their cap and they're basically paying him to play for another team.

Another point is that when the coaching staff put their offense together, they put it together with the idea that it should be to Rodger's strengths not Brett's. Now, if they go to Brett being the QB, they may have to throw out some portions of the playbook and bring back other portions that they had thrown away with the move to Rodgers. That means having a lot more work for everyone involved that they wouldn't have to go through if Brett had told them up front. The whole offense has learned the Rodger's playbook and now they're going to have to learn and practice for the Brett one. The coaching staff may just decide that Brett has to play with Aaron's playbook.

Also, him coming to camp this late is going to put everyone back. He's going to be out of shape and he's not going to be up to speed.

Saying that Brett is going to walk in and be better than Aaron and that he gives them the best chance to win is not necessarily true. He's already set them back.

 

[GP]

Take a look at their actions after Brett retired. Specifically, look at their drafting strategy. They took Brohm in the second. This gives them a very good safety net for the future if Aaron Rodgers isn't the guy and they also drafted Matt Flynn.

Obviously, the idea is to go with 2 QB's on the main roster and then Flynn on the PS.

If Brett's coming back, they don't do that. They probably make another selection other than Brohm in the 2nd round. Now they're going to be forced to carry 3 QB's on the main roster (they can't stick Brohm on the PS, he won't clear waivers) which takes away a roster spot somewhere else.

I'm not sure exactly what this move means for the cap but they're going to have a lot less money to work with to bring in free agents if they have injuries or if they identify a need at one position or another. If they cut him or trade him, then he's STILL counting against their cap and they're basically paying him to play for another team.

Another point is that when the coaching staff put their offense together, they put it together with the idea that it should be to Rodger's strengths not Brett's. Now, if they go to Brett being the QB, they may have to throw out some portions of the playbook and bring back other portions that they had thrown away with the move to Rodgers. That means having a lot more work for everyone involved that they wouldn't have to go through if Brett had told them up front. The whole offense has learned the Rodger's playbook and now they're going to have to learn and practice for the Brett one. The coaching staff may just decide that Brett has to play with Aaron's playbook.

Also, him coming to camp this late is going to put everyone back. He's going to be out of shape and he's not going to be up to speed.

Saying that Brett is going to walk in and be better than Aaron and that he gives them the best chance to win is not necessarily true. He's already set them back.

100% agree. Rep your way.

 

[eriadoc]

Take a look at their actions after Brett retired. Specifically, look at their drafting strategy. They took Brohm in the second. This gives them a very good safety net for the future if Aaron Rodgers isn't the guy and they also drafted Matt Flynn.

Obviously, the idea is to go with 2 QB's on the main roster and then Flynn on the PS.

If Brett's coming back, they don't do that. They probably make another selection other than Brohm in the 2nd round. Now they're going to be forced to carry 3 QB's on the main roster (they can't stick Brohm on the PS, he won't clear waivers) which takes away a roster spot somewhere else.

I'm not sure exactly what this move means for the cap but they're going to have a lot less money to work with to bring in free agents if they have injuries or if they identify a need at one position or another. If they cut him or trade him, then he's STILL counting against their cap and they're basically paying him to play for another team.

Another point is that when the coaching staff put their offense together, they put it together with the idea that it should be to Rodger's strengths not Brett's. Now, if they go to Brett being the QB, they may have to throw out some portions of the playbook and bring back other portions that they had thrown away with the move to Rodgers. That means having a lot more work for everyone involved that they wouldn't have to go through if Brett had told them up front. The whole offense has learned the Rodger's playbook and now they're going to have to learn and practice for the Brett one. The coaching staff may just decide that Brett has to play with Aaron's playbook.

Also, him coming to camp this late is going to put everyone back. He's going to be out of shape and he's not going to be up to speed.

Saying that Brett is going to walk in and be better than Aaron and that he gives them the best chance to win is not necessarily true. He's already set them back.

Good points all around. Something one of the radio guys was saying (pretty sure it was Lance Z., but I could be wrong) was that after Brett's terrible year a a couple years ago, the Packers changed some things around in the offensive GP to keep the INT-throwing Brett down, similar to what Kubiak did for Plummer in Arizona. The host then said that the old Brett re-surfaced int he playoffs, which was why they lost. I don't know how much of that I agree with, but if it's true that they modified the GP for Brett, then that's just more evidence that the organization has to plan differently now.

 

[Second Honeymoon]

The thing is that they've changed their offense to one that supposedly suits Rodgers. I'm betting that they're just going to say that Favre couldn't beat Rodgers out of the job because he couldn't pick up on the offense. And then they're going to make him sit on the bench.

goodell is not going to be down with that and neither is Favre. if they pull a stunt like that Goodell will shred that contract to bits and he will be a Viking before you could say NFC North.

face it, Favre is going to be the QB and Rodgers needs to deal with it just like he has his whole career. If he doesnt like it, he can feel free to demand a trade just like Favre will if he isn't the starter.

And what is this talk about the Packers building an offense around Rodger's strengths? What are his strengths? His ability to get injured and hold a clipboard? I respect the way Rodgers has carried himself but if its a choice between Favre or Rodgers, is there even a debate? If they were so damn high on Rodgers why did they spend a 2nd Rounder on Brohm? That smells like a Casserley move when he drafted Ragone....simply stupid move even without Brett in picture.

As for Goodell, I applaud him sticking up for the player in this situation. It's obvious that Favre wants to play and it isn't a money grab or he would have taken the poorly-schemed payoff errrrrr marketing deal. The bottom line is if the Packers didn't want him as their starter he deserved the chance to go elsewhere irregardless of division rival or not. Favre has done more for the league than just about any current player in the league and he has done more for that franchise in Green Bay than ANYONE ever has. Ted Thompson was a jerk about everything and he seemed more concerned with punishing Favre for being forced into a decision than he ever was about winning football games and putting the best product on the field. If they would have just welcomed him back when Favre got the itch, this story would be gone and they would be in better position and could have gotten something for Rodgers if Rodgers got uber-pissed and demanded trade. Now Rodgers may demand trade and they wont get squat for him because its so late in the offseason.

Thompson is a jerk and thought he was bigger than Favre. Wrong, buddy. You are just another guy, Ted.. Favre is Favre.

RIP Ted Thompson's career

 

[WWJD]

goodell is not going to be down with that and neither is Favre. if they pull a stunt like that Goodell will shred that contract to bits and he will be a Viking before you could say NFC North.

face it, Favre is going to be the QB and Rodgers needs to deal with it just like he has his whole career. If he doesnt like it, he can feel free to demand a trade just like Favre will if he isn't the starter.

And what is this talk about the Packers building an offense around Rodger's strengths? What are his strengths? His ability to get injured and hold a clipboard? I respect the way Rodgers has carried himself but if its a choice between Favre or Rodgers, is there even a debate? If they were so damn high on Rodgers why did they spend a 2nd Rounder on Brohm? That smells like a Casserley move when he drafted Ragone....simply stupid move even without Brett in picture.

As for Goodell, I applaud him sticking up for the player in this situation. It's obvious that Favre wants to play and it isn't a money grab or he would have taken the poorly-schemed payoff errrrrr marketing deal. The bottom line is if the Packers didn't want him as their starter he deserved the chance to go elsewhere irregardless of division rival or not. Favre has done more for the league than just about any current player in the league and he has done more for that franchise in Green Bay than ANYONE ever has. Ted Thompson was a jerk about everything and he seemed more concerned with punishing Favre for being forced into a decision than he ever was about winning football games and putting the best product on the field. If they would have just welcomed him back when Favre got the itch, this story would be gone and they would be in better position and could have gotten something for Rodgers if Rodgers got uber-pissed and demanded trade. Now Rodgers may demand trade and they wont get squat for him because its so late in the offseason.

Thompson is a jerk and thought he was bigger than Favre. Wrong, buddy. You are just another guy, Ted.. Favre is Favre.

RIP Ted Thompson's career

You nailed it.

 

[Koolaid Time]

Over the past several years, Favre has waited until the last moment to make up his mind on whether to retire or not. That makes it very hard for his team to plan.

Except for the steroids angle, does this make Favre the "Roger Clemens" of the NFL??

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Except for the steroids angle, does this make Favre the "Roger Clemens" of the NFL??

Clemens has the steroid controversy and Brett has the addiction to painkiller controversy.

I think with the NFL, the restrictions on the roster and the necessity to plan for the future is much more intense; you can always send a player down to the minors in MLB but in the NFL, you cut them and if they're good, they're gone. Who you draft is much more important than in MLB. There's no cap issue with MLB. You rely on your QB to play every game and you don't for a pitcher unless he's a reliever.

Favre is the Roger Clemens of the NFL but he has a bigger impact on his team than Clemens ever did.

 

[Wolf]

this is where the internet is bad...I need a filter for Favre

(as I spread the gossip)

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-packers-favre&prov=ap&type=lgns

GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP)—Brett Favre left Lambeau Field just before Green Bay practiced Tuesday afternoon, and coach Mike McCarthy says the three-time MVP isn’t in the “proper mindset” to be part of the Packers.

McCarthy talked to reporters about the standoff over Favre’s retirement after practice.

The coach said he and Favre had “a ton of conversations” over the last couple of days about the quarterback’s desire to come back and play in the NFL, but McCarthy wasn’t convinced that Favre wants to be part of the Packers.

“I have to keep the train moving,” McCarthy said.

McCarthy said that when he asked Favre whether he was committed to playing for Green Bay, “that’s not where he was.”

 

[GP]

Wow.

Coach McCarthy just laid the smack down on Favre. LOL!!!

Oh, this made my day.

Apparently, Favre got served. He thought he was going to waltz in and dictate how things go...and I think McCarthy got off the chain and chewed a new one on the Country Boy.

Check this out from ESPN.com (No Babies Allowed On The Train: Brett Told To Go Suck His Thumb):

GREEN BAY, Wis. -- The bond between Brett Favre and the Green Bay Packers appears to be broken beyond repair.

Packers coach Mike McCarthy said Tuesday evening that after approximately six hours of what he called "brutally honest" conversations with Favre over the past two days, the three-time MVP just isn't in the right mind-set to be part of the team.

Even with the chance to win his starting job back potentially on the table, McCarthy said Favre couldn't seem to get past emotional wounds that were opened as tensions mounted in recent weeks.

"The football team's moving forward," McCarthy said. "The train has left the station, whatever analogy you want. He needs to jump on the train and let's go. Or, if we can't get past things that have happened, I have to keep the train moving."

McCarthy said he and Favre made plans to speak later Tuesday evening, but McCarthy didn't seem to allow for the possibility that anything significant would change.

Favre seemed resigned to a future elsewhere, telling ESPN's Chris Mortensen on Tuesday morning that the "best thing for this team is for us to part ways."

LOL!!!

I love the bolded part I put in red.

"The train has left the station..."

And Brett is standing on the platform, bitching like someone who deserved first class accommodations and was told he'd get coach class and LIKE it.

McCarthy is alright. Way to go!

 

[GP]

SIX HOURS that the coach sat there and let Brett Favre re-open all these "emotional wounds" that Favre had. What is this, Dr. Phil?

Geez. Can you imagine the massive headache McCarthy had after that ordeal?

Sounds like six hours of McCarthy trying to tell Favre that the main interest in Green Bay, right now, is playing football and NOT acting like a victim all the time.

And to think we just saw the video of The Triumphant Entry by Favre when his magic plane landed and touched its golden wheels upon the sacred airstrip that so humbly cradled Brett's private jet. LOL. He was all grinning and strutting when he returned. Probably started to trot into the locker room and Coach said, "Uh, Brett. I need to sit and have a cup of coffee with ya' for a little bit."

"Yeah, I know coach. Later. I gotta' go get my jockey strap on. I bet someone has already put icy hot in it! Those clowns. I'll get 'em back with a chest of ice into the hut tub after practice today. Now, I reckon you guys still have my locker in its same spot, right?"

Hi Brett! Bye Brett!

What a great and glorious day. A coach finally stands up to a superstar and tells it like it is.

 

[Corrosion]

For some reason I get the feeling that the Packers helped Favre decide to retire after last season , that they didnt want him back all along . That offer of $25million to just go away says a lot about how they feel.

 

[Corrosion]

Wow.

Coach McCarthy just laid the smack down on Favre. LOL!!!

Oh, this made my day.

Apparently, Favre got served. He thought he was going to waltz in and dictate how things go...and I think McCarthy got off the chain and chewed a new one on the Country Boy.

Check this out from ESPN.com (No Babies Allowed On The Train: Brett Told To Go Suck His Thumb):



LOL!!!

I love the bolded part I put in red.

"The train has left the station..."

And Brett is standing on the platform, bitching like someone who deserved first class accommodations and was told he'd get coach class and LIKE it.

McCarthy is alright. Way to go!

Its McCarthy's job thats on the line with this move ..... Careful what ya wish for ....

 

[GP]

For some reason I get the feeling that the Packers helped Favre decide to retire after last season , that they didnt want him back all along . That offer of $25million to just go away says a lot about how they feel.

I actually think they were trying to help Favre save some face.

"Here's $25 million to help you feel more secure about your retirement decision. You were a good QB, we need to move on, and take THIS as a retirement gift from us."

If you retired at Favre's age, and got $25 million at your going away party, would you be this big of a jerk about it like Brett is? Let's say you took over for the guy who worked there, and then the guy comes back about 4 months later and announces that he's ready to take his job back. I think McCarthy did a good job of bringing Favre back down to earth.

They could have not even offered Favre the $25 million.

Why is it that some people think management is always out to screw the little guy? I've worked for jerks, and I've worked for good people. I don't think the Packers organization did any underhanded things to Brett.

They waited on Brett every year to bestow his grace upon them. This was the end of the road. But people can't move on. They won't let him. Brett thinks he HAS to come back. For the fans.

But apparently, McCarthy helped Brett see that Brett has to come back for Brett...and NOT just to be somebody's hero again.

 

[stingray]

I haven't commented on this thread because I am simply tired of this subject. The only thing I can say is that the Packers are obligated to the fans to put the best team out there to win a super bowl in 2008 especially after going to an NFC Championship in 2007. Without Brett Favre, they will have three QB's that have never started an NFL game before in their life. Is that really a sound plan? Now, if they had a solid proven Qb waiting to take over then I would say, goodbye Brett, but Aaron Rodgers is unproven. The fans deserve a chance at a Super Bowl, and Brett gives them that chance.

 

[GuerillaBlack]

Favre officially traded to the Bucs now (or so I heard).

 

[AnthonyE]

Favre officially traded to the Bucs now (or so I heard).

Yeah, it's on the NFL Network News ticker. He's expecting to be traded today.

The Packers have to be idiots if they think they're going to have even 50% of the fan support they've had the last 15 seasons. :/

UGH, Charlie Casserly is on NFLN, and they just had to bring up Mario Williams even though he's supposed to be talking about Favre. -_-

 

[Mr teX]

goodell is not going to be down with that and neither is Favre. if they pull a stunt like that Goodell will shred that contract to bits and he will be a Viking before you could say NFC North.

face it, Favre is going to be the QB and Rodgers needs to deal with it just like he has his whole career. If he doesnt like it, he can feel free to demand a trade just like Favre will if he isn't the starter.

And what is this talk about the Packers building an offense around Rodger's strengths? What are his strengths? His ability to get injured and hold a clipboard? I respect the way Rodgers has carried himself but if its a choice between Favre or Rodgers, is there even a debate? If they were so damn high on Rodgers why did they spend a 2nd Rounder on Brohm? That smells like a Casserley move when he drafted Ragone....simply stupid move even without Brett in picture.

As for Goodell, I applaud him sticking up for the player in this situation. It's obvious that Favre wants to play and it isn't a money grab or he would have taken the poorly-schemed payoff errrrrr marketing deal. The bottom line is if the Packers didn't want him as their starter he deserved the chance to go elsewhere irregardless of division rival or not. Favre has done more for the league than just about any current player in the league and he has done more for that franchise in Green Bay than ANYONE ever has. Ted Thompson was a jerk about everything and he seemed more concerned with punishing Favre for being forced into a decision than he ever was about winning football games and putting the best product on the field. If they would have just welcomed him back when Favre got the itch, this story would be gone and they would be in better position and could have gotten something for Rodgers if Rodgers got uber-pissed and demanded trade. Now Rodgers may demand trade and they wont get squat for him because its so late in the offseason.

Thompson is a jerk and thought he was bigger than Favre. Wrong, buddy. You are just another guy, Ted.. Favre is Favre.

RIP Ted Thompson's career

Complete garbage. brett's an iconic figure in Green Bay & the NFL but the notion that he's done more for that franchise & it's image is laughable. Green Bay isn't known as "titletown" b/c of Brett Favre, that distinction belongs to a guy named Vince Lombardi. You might've heard of him, he's the guy whose name the NFL championship trophy bears.
Dude was a pioneer of the game who didn't need 200 years to become what he is known as today.

In that regard Brett is a roach under Lombardi's shoe.

Favre's acting like a baby, plain & simple. Apparently now, an "open QB competition" in exchange for his continued dedication in the film room isn't even good enough for him to come back to the packers. He's all butt hurt at the fact that the pack tried to move on without him.

 

[GP]

Yeah, it's on the NFL Network News ticker. He's expecting to be traded today.

The Packers have to be idiots if they think they're going to have even 50% of the fan support they've had the last 15 seasons. :/

UGH, Charlie Casserly is on NFLN, and they just had to bring up Mario Williams even though he's supposed to be talking about Favre. -_-

I can't find the story, but the research in the story yesterday has shown that Favre's "approval" ratings are not so good in Packers country.

People are tiring of him, even in Packers country.

 

[WWJD]

I actually think they were trying to help Favre save some face.

"Here's $25 million to help you feel more secure about your retirement decision. You were a good QB, we need to move on, and take THIS as a retirement gift from us."

If you retired at Favre's age, and got $25 million at your going away party, would you be this big of a jerk about it like Brett is? Let's say you took over for the guy who worked there, and then the guy comes back about 4 months later and announces that he's ready to take his job back. I think McCarthy did a good job of bringing Favre back down to earth.

They could have not even offered Favre the $25 million.

Why is it that some people think management is always out to screw the little guy? I've worked for jerks, and I've worked for good people. I don't think the Packers organization did any underhanded things to Brett.

They waited on Brett every year to bestow his grace upon them. This was the end of the road. But people can't move on. They won't let him. Brett thinks he HAS to come back. For the fans.

But apparently, McCarthy helped Brett see that Brett has to come back for Brett...and NOT just to be somebody's hero again.

Did you watch Brett's Fox interview? Just curious...it's obvious from that that he was coming back on his own...not from some deep seeded need to pacify the Pack fans. He was just simply not ready to retire. That's it. Real simple.

He wasn't worried about "saving face" when he gave that interview. He just simply wanted his job back.

 

[stiff]

I can't find the story, but the research in the story yesterday has shown that Favre's "approval" ratings are not so good in Packers country.

People are tiring of him, even in Packers country.

Having spent the later part of last week and the weekend there I can tell you that is true.

 

[2BCF]

Yep they're sick of him...

 

[Texan_Bill]

Yep they're sick of him...

From the savebrett.net main page:

Sadness Quickly Turns to Anger as Packer Fans Absorb Unthinkable News
SaveBrett.net Petition Receives Over 1,000 Signatures within an Hour;
Petition Crashes Under Surge of Traffic

ESPN's Wendi Nix is reporting that a "calm" is descending on Green Bay as people accept Brett Favre's likely trade to Tampa Bay. With all due respect to Wendi nothing could be further from the truth. Although the streets surrounding Lambeau Field quickly quieted after news of Favre's likely trade the mood is anything but "calm."

After news hit we received a surge of over 20,000 unique visitors and have experienced over 42,000 unique page hits. At one point we were receiving petition signatures so fast that the overwhelming demand crashed our petition website for about 20 minutes before it was restored.

 

[HoustonFrog]

I'm so tired of this little ***** called Favre.

As far as the fans, I've heard multiple callers and hosts on national and local shows say they are split up there with many saying they are tired of it and that he created his own drama. They can go back to filling up on cheese, pork rinds and fat.

 

[2BCF]

If he does go to TB, it'll be interesting to see Favre being coached by "Chucky". Or will it be the other way around?

 

[GP]

I'm so tired of this little ***** called Favre.

As far as the fans, I've heard multiple callers and hosts on national and local shows say they are split up there with many saying they are tired of it and that he created his own drama. They can go back to filling up on cheese, pork rinds and fat.

Here's the most telling article on this whole deal: Favre To Blame For Messy Divorce.

Leave it up to yahoo.com to actually do some REAL reporting, instead of places like espn who have zero hardcore journalism skills. I've read articles by the major sports media, and they all seem to play up the drama.

In the yahoo.com article, we see the following:

1. Packers were probably tired of playing a subservient role to Favre

2. Favre was pissed at Ted Thompson for not going after Randy Moss, as well as for choosing McCarthy over Mariucci. Uh, Favre openly slams his boss (McCarthy) and slams the GM for not hiring someone else. That's not going to get you far, Brett.

3. Favre showed up with his wife and watched the Family Night scrimmage from a LUXURY BOOTH...you know, those things reserved for big shot businessmen and actors and stuff. I agree with the author of the article when he said that was a stupid move by Brett.

4. Desiring to play for two of your divisional rivals is asking wayyyy too much. That's a swipe at the team that paid you millions for so long, and it just unravels any idea of keeping things civil. This is the NFC NORTH here, OK? This is as big as USC-ND or UT-A&M or Duke-NC. This would be like Mario Williams desiring to play for the Titans or the Jags. Ouch.

Good job! to McCarthy. He looks fully aware that he feels he's making the right decision, and GASP! the GM is letting the head coach do what he thinks he needs to do to move on in the best way possible.

Hi, Brett. Bye, Brett. Never thought it'd work out this way. Really thought that his return meant that the Packers had caved to the Hillbilly Supertar.

 

[powerfuldragon]

favre will fail in florida.

 

[ObsiWan]

I think it IS Brett's evil twin Bertt that's causing all this trouble.

 

[Mr teX]

Here's the most telling article on this whole deal: Favre To Blame For Messy Divorce.

Leave it up to yahoo.com to actually do some REAL reporting, instead of places like espn who have zero hardcore journalism skills. I've read articles by the major sports media, and they all seem to play up the drama.

In the yahoo.com article, we see the following:

1. Packers were probably tired of playing a subservient role to Favre

2. Favre was pissed at Ted Thompson for not going after Randy Moss, as well as for choosing McCarthy over Mariucci. Uh, Favre openly slams his boss (McCarthy) and slams the GM for not hiring someone else. That's not going to get you far, Brett.

3. Favre showed up with his wife and watched the Family Night scrimmage from a LUXURY BOOTH...you know, those things reserved for big shot businessmen and actors and stuff. I agree with the author of the article when he said that was a stupid move by Brett.

4. Desiring to play for two of your divisional rivals is asking wayyyy too much. That's a swipe at the team that paid you millions for so long, and it just unravels any idea of keeping things civil. This is the NFC NORTH here, OK? This is as big as USC-ND or UT-A&M or Duke-NC. This would be like Mario Williams desiring to play for the Titans or the Jags. Ouch.

Good job! to McCarthy. He looks fully aware that he feels he's making the right decision, and GASP! the GM is letting the head coach do what he thinks he needs to do to move on in the best way possible.

Hi, Brett. Bye, Brett. Never thought it'd work out this way. Really thought that his return meant that the Packers had caved to the Hillbilly Supertar.

Favre's breaking the unspoken rule on most major team sports:
No 1 person is above the team.

McCarthy is earning my respect more & more each day b/c he seems to realize something that i don't think Favre & his supporters have. The team's success last year was b/c they were good in every phase of the game, not solely b/c Favre had this "renaissance" & catapulted them to 13 -3 by himself. Yes he had a great season last year, but so did Kampman, Barnett & Crosby. I keep hearing Favres' nuthuggers (Madden, Schefter, Mariucci etc) say that "he doesn't want to mess up the team chemistry.." or something to that effect, but that's all he's done thus far by dragging this crap out. It's just been a slower process unlike how the TO's do it.

 

[GP]

favre will fail in florida.

Yep.

He's on a team with virtually no running game. And I don't think the receiving corps is all that great, is it? Nobody stands out to me, at least.

Defense is suspect, as well.

Good news? It's a very weak division. That's about it for the good news. Oh, I forgot the pirate ship. That's a cool thing that might have been part of the deal: Apparently, Brett has it in the contract that the cannons on the ship will spew out little sheets of paper which have his photo on it and a few bullet points of propaganda about how badly he wanted to play in Tampa Bay all these years.

There's a good reason Favre wanted Chicago or Minnesota, rather than Jets/Bucs. Gruden is probably the clincher on the deal. A buddy working for a buddy, with the pipe dream of re-living history.

 

[Second Honeymoon]

I can't find the story, but the research in the story yesterday has shown that Favre's "approval" ratings are not so good in Packers country.

People are tiring of him, even in Packers country.

well see how McCarthy and Thompson's approval ratings are once they go 4-12 this year with Rodgers and Co. at Quarterback. I think they did the right thing by Rodgers by sticking by him, but I think they screwed the rest of the team and the fans.

You heard it here first. The packers will be lucky to win 5 games and Rodgers probably will hurt around Week 2 or 3.

I don't know how Favre is going to do in Tampa or wherever he plays, but I do know that the Packers are going to go into the tank and Ted Thompson and McCarthy will be driven out of town like Frankenstein.

The only thing Rodgers has proven is that he is injury prone and that he can hold a clipboard. Favre has proven a case to be the greatest QB of all time (statistically speaking). Packers are morons and I can't wait to see them fail.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

You are smoking SH. The Packers will win 10 games regardless of who is taking snaps. Talented, young and deep are the Packers. If it were not for an old and cold #4, on the frozen tundra no less, playing against the Giants, the Packers may have made it to the Super Bowl.

 

[WWJD]

Packer fans (something like 50 thousand of them) were booing Rodgers the other day at that scrimmage they had...he had missed something like 9 passes or something in a row.

As soon as that happens in a game that counts the fans will be screaming for Brett.

And he's gone...bye bye to Tampa or wherever and I personally think he'll do fine because he's just that good.

The Packers are just another team now...trying to find an identity with a guy that has never played much and when he did he's always ended up hurt. Not his fault but that's just the way it's been.

That weight on Aaron's shoulder just became about a ton heavier. We'll see if he can handle it.

 

[WWJD]

Favre's breaking the unspoken rule on most major team sports:
No 1 person is above the team.

McCarthy is earning my respect more & more each day b/c he seems to realize something that i don't think Favre & his supporters have. The team's success last year was b/c they were good in every phase of the game, not solely b/c Favre had this "renaissance" & catapulted them to 13 -3 by himself. Yes he had a great season last year, but so did Kampman, Barnett & Crosby. I keep hearing Favres' nuthuggers (Madden, Schefter, Mariucci etc) say that "he doesn't want to mess up the team chemistry.." or something to that effect, but that's all he's done thus far by dragging this crap out. It's just been a slower process unlike how the TO's do it.

I imagine Brett probably went into that meeting with his coach saying what he said on his Fox interview...that he should come back as the starter and there is no reason he shouldn't. You don't put a QB like him on the bench.

It would do him no good to have gone thru all this to sit on the bench now would it?

They lied to him about even talking to Coach Mariucci...he said he asked them to interview him and that was all...he did not say you have to hire him..just talk to him and they told him they did and didn't.

I think perhaps Brett can't get around all the lies he's been told by the FO of the Packers. It's hard to work with people when you can't trust them. Best he move on...he's too darn good to hold a clipboard.

 

[El Tejano]

BTW, the NFL probably will want everyone to wear a picture of Brett Favre on the back of their helmets. I'm getting tired of this.