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LZ Report Draft Show....

about killed my hopes for Otah on tonights version of "the draft show". what are all these sources saying he is moving up the draft boards? was hoping that 20$ to tank it @ the combine worked & he would fall to the 18th pick :cool:
Do you think he needs to drop a few pounds from 340. Some have suggested that.
 
Actually, his "disappointing time" is right there with Anthony Collins who is 317.
Otah supposedly got a late start in training due to a high ankle sprain late in the season. His pro day isn't until April, so he has a chance to improve his combine numbers.
 
Otah supposedly got a late start in training due to a high ankle sprain late in the season. His pro day isn't until April, so he has a chance to improve his combine numbers.
I think he's a senior, so he was eligible for the Senior Bowl but was a no-show. Guess the injury would explain his absence.
Lot a guys feel he's not suited for the Gibbs brand of blocking-schemes but
a lot are also saying he has tremedous potential, no matter the system.
I think we likely take him if he's available (subject of course to whoever else might still be on the Board & possible trade offers).
 
Someone that has seen the guys please compare Otah to Williams and Clady whom I've seen. If a solid LT is available in first.. unless Stewart is there. I am a big proponent of Jonathan Stewart but the toe injury is a ?. I think Brown can hold on long enough to allow Stewart to get 100%. I just want a good LT, RB and CB in draft. We should do ok in 1st and 3rd and Old Ricky can do his magic in the 4th again.

CB Tyvon Bench in 4th http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=32938

T Heath Benedict, Tony Hills or Oneil Cousins may be there in 4th
I just do not see anyone I like at RB after 3rd round.
 
Someone that has seen the guys please compare Otah to Williams and Clady whom I've seen.

CB Tyvon Bench in 4th
Chris Williams was a guy I was very impressed with at the Senior Bowl practices. It looked like he could do anything he wanted to the DEs across from him, and he had a bit of a mean streak. I liked Cherilus, too. But, he couldn't move his feet like Williams. I think Williams has the best feet of the LTs in this draft and if he were available at #18, the Texans would take him. I don't believe he will be, so that's why a CB looks like the pick. I'm not sure if Otah or Clady would be a good fit with what the Texans are trying to do.

I saw UConn's bowl game, but I wasn't real impressed with Branch. The Husky CB I liked was a junior, Darius Butler. Had a nice break on the ball and was very physical. But, that was just one game.
 
Chris Williams was a guy I was very impressed with at the Senior Bowl practices. It looked like he could do anything he wanted to the DEs across from him, and he had a bit of a mean streak. I liked Cherilus, too. But, he couldn't move his feet like Williams. I think Williams has the best feet of the LTs in this draft and if he were available at #18, the Texans would take him. I don't believe he will be, so that's why a CB looks like the pick. I'm not sure if Otah or Clady would be a good fit with what the Texans are trying to do.

I saw UConn's bowl game, but I wasn't real impressed with Branch. The Husky CB I liked was a junior, Darius Butler. Had a nice break on the ball and was very physical. But, that was just one game.
Thanks. I've not seen Williams but he is apparently real deal. I did watch Clady and for a big man he did slide pretty well to left. I expect neither to be available but some options later in draft are possible.
 
Pittsburgh has their Pro-Day March 24th. this is when I look for his stock to rise/fall. also the Texans have not been very out in the open during any of these Pro-Day events (I'm sure they have their scouts active in the field) you just don't hear Kubiak/Gibbs/Rhodes names much on the various trackers. so if by chance it leaks out one of them is @ Pitt I would consider that significant.
 
Pittsburgh has their Pro-Day March 24th. this is when I look for his stock to rise/fall. also the Texans have not been very out in the open during any of these Pro-Day events (I'm sure they have their scouts active in the field) you just don't hear Kubiak/Gibbs/Rhodes names much on the various trackers. so if by chance it leaks out one of them is @ Pitt I would consider that significant.
I don't recall the Texans being hot on Spencer pre-draft. Perhaps that is wrong but sometimes teams like a guy so much they don't want to tip their hands. I'm not stating this is the case here but I've seen a quarter of a decade of NFL drafts and there are always fans shocked on the first day every year.
 
I don't recall the Texans being hot on Spencer pre-draft. Perhaps that is wrong but sometimes teams like a guy so much they don't want to tip their hands. I'm not stating this is the case here but I've seen a quarter of a decade of NFL drafts and there are always fans shocked on the first day every year.

thats very true. I distinctly remember them @ Marios Pro-Day, but thats a different situation (w/1st pick no fear of recognition) so if they are visiably absent from legit prospects that probably says more. Maybe Lance is refering to private personel workouts that he is not allowed to disclose? in past proven fruitfull inside information on Texans its just getting access to those secret/clandestine activities :spy:
 
I'm slowly starting to like the idea of drafting a left tackle with our first pick. This year it seems like is a very good year to draft a tackle. Obviously this team needs a left tackle, a guy they can plug in and count on to produce for the next 5 years. Ephraim Salaam is a solid pro but he's not guy. We need to stabilize the o-line and I think this is the year they need to do it.
 
If we get a 2nd there are many scenarios I like. Two of which are;

1. Cris Williams LT 2. Forte RB 3. Godfrey or Chevis Jackson CB 4. Tyvon Branch 6'0" 204 4.31 FS/CB


1. Stewart RB 2. Justin King CB 3. Tony Hills (I think A. Collins gone by our pick)4. Eric Young 6'4" 305 5.18 5. Kevin O'Connell QB
 
If we get a 2nd there are many scenarios I like. Two of which are;

1. Cris Williams LT 2. Forte RB 3. Godfrey or Chevis Jackson CB 4. Tyvon Branch 6'0" 204 4.31 FS/CB


1. Stewart RB 2. Justin King CB 3. Tony Hills (I think A. Collins gone by our pick)4. Eric Young 6'4" 305 5.18 5. Kevin O'Connell QB

I like both scenarios - particularly the one that has Williams still available at the 18th pick. And while I like it, and you like it, I would be very surprised to see the Texans go RB with the #18 pick.
 
Do you think he needs to drop a few pounds from 340. Some have suggested that.

I honestly don't think Otah is all that great a fit here. He isn't the quickest guy out of his stance in pass protection and he is more of a mauler. He is VERY comparable to Spencer except without quite the nasty streak and he would need to lose weight to play here.
 
McClain thinks we will take Chris Williams @ #18 or so he stated on NFLN today when Houston was "on the clock" in Path to the Draft.

I like the idea of us going OL or CB @ #18, I think we have to do one or the other. I like Chris Williams too, what little I have seen about him. According to McClain, he is a smart guy, sounds like the kind of guys Kubes and Smith really like.
 
I think we're all in agreement with Williams but will he still be on the board :snobord:

the Texans need to address LT sometimes your forced to take the lesser of two evils :evilb:
 
If Williams is there at 18, the odds are that we take him. It gets pretty dicey if there isn't a good LT available, but say JStew is. From what I understand, Talibe isn't well thought of in the upstairs department and DCR will likely go early now (I really don't buy into him. Seems to be one of those guys that get big hype and move up and then never produce). If that comes around, they just may pick Brandon Albert at 18 and hope for the best, but I expect they will work hard to trade down first.
 
If Williams is there at 18, the odds are that we take him. It gets pretty dicey if there isn't a good LT available, but say JStew is. From what I understand, Talibe isn't well thought of in the upstairs department and DCR will likely go early now (I really don't buy into him. Seems to be one of those guys that get big hype and move up and then never produce). If that comes around, they just may pick Brandon Albert at 18 and hope for the best, but I expect they will work hard to trade down first.

I wouldn't mind Mike Jenkins or McKelvin if either one are available and Williams is gone. But I don't like DRC at 18, certainly is a risk/reward thing with him. I am just not sure about Talib, I would rather have the other two DB's over Talib.
 
Otah still has the same high ankle sprain (same injury that sidelined Levi Brown in Arizona his rookie season for about 4 games) so was unable to workout during his Pro-Day. Otah will instead try to get it together for an April 9th seperate workout (wish I could be there to report first hand I'm getting sick & tired of what I'm reading).
 
Shoot, if you can get Mike Jenkins, take him in a heartbeat. Don't even let 30 seconds waste away on the clock. Jenkins should be a lock for us if he is available.
 
another good draft show tonight fellas, really enjoyed your guest. think he is dead on Stewart (possibly the best rb in this draft class) :)
 
I just figured it out!

We're letting Dayne go this offseason, and that means we're taking a LT in the first! No Dayne: no RBs falling on the back of the LT's knee. :gathering:
 
Totally stumbled on this thread and caught the show. Good stuff.... will plan on some more tunage on down the rizzoad.
 
Totally stumbled on this thread and caught the show. Good stuff.... will plan on some more tunage on down the rizzoad.

Goto their website and or look at the links Lance has provided for the podcast of the days you missed. I am usually doing other stuff and miss the show but I catch it later on the cast.
 
For thems that follow these things.

Sirius NFL Radio Mock draft has the Texans taking Branden Albert:

link

instead of doing a mock from scratch I'll piggy back off theirs & y'all can contrast the differences :cool:

Dolphins Jake Long (OT, Michigan) BL- Vernon Gholston
Rams Chris Long (DE, Virginia) BL- Jake Long
Falcons Glenn Dorsey (DT, LSU) BL- agree
Raiders Darren McFadden (RB, Arkansas) BL- Chris Long
Chiefs Matt Ryan (QB, Boston College) BL- Ryan Clady
Jets Vernon Gholston (DE, Ohio State) BL- Darren McFadden
Patriots Leodis McKelvin (CB, Troy) BL- agree
Ravens Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (CB, Tennessee State) BL- Sedric Ellis
Bengals Sedrick Ellis (DT, USC) BL- Derrick Harvey
Saints Keith Rivers (LB, USC) BL- DRC
Bills Malcom Kelly (WR, Oklahoma) BL-Matt Ryan
Broncos Ryan Clady (OT, Boise State) BL- Chris Williams
Panthers Derrick Harvey (DE, Florida) BL- Jonathan Stewart
Bears Rashard Mendenhall (RB, Illinois) BL- Rashard Mendenhall
Lions Jeff Otah, (OT, Pittsburgh) BL- agree
Cardinals Antoine Cason (CB, Arizona) BL- Mike Jenkins
Vikings Quintin Groves (DE, Auburn) BL- DeSean Jackson
Texans Branden Albert (OG, Virginia) BL- agree
Eagles Kenny Phillips (S, Miami) BL- Phillip Merling
Bucs Mike Jenkins (CB, South Florida) BL- Malcom Kelly
Redskins Devin Thomas (WR, Michigan State) BL- Kenny Phillips
Cowboys Aqib Talib (CB, Kansas) BL- Devin Thomas
Steelers Chris Williams (OT, Vanderbilt) BL- Gosder Cherilus
Titans Jonathan Stewart (RB, Oregon) BL- Limas Sweed
Seahawks Kentwan Balmer (DT, North Carolina) BL- Brian Brohm
Jaguars Dan Conner (LB, Penn State) BL- Kentwan Balmer
Chargers Gosder Cherilus (OT, Boston College) BL- Keith Rivers
Cowboys James Hardy (WR, Indiana) BL- Felix Jones
Niners DeSean Jackson (WR, Cal) BL- Quentin Groves
Packers Brian Brohm (QB, Louisville) BL- Aqib Talib
Giants Jerod Mayo (LB, Tennessee) BL- agree or Conner
 
Quick shoutout to everyone that the draft show is on today (Thursday from 6-7 PM) on 1560 AM and I would love to have a couple of you guys call in if you are near a phone: 713-439-1560.

Also, Jethro Franklin was on my show this morning and I think you'll enjoy his insight into Okoye, Mario, what the philosophy is up front and much more.

http://odeo.com/audio/17978283/view
 
Quick shoutout to everyone that the draft show is on today (Thursday from 6-7 PM) on 1560 AM and I would love to have a couple of you guys call in if you are near a phone: 713-439-1560.

Also, Jethro Franklin was on my show this morning and I think you'll enjoy his insight into Okoye, Mario, what the philosophy is up front and much more.

http://odeo.com/audio/17978283/view

Awesome, thanks for the reminder! What's on the menu to be discussed tonight?
 
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sweet- thanks for the link & Texans update. biggest surprise (to me) was just how much Jethro liked Travis Johnson, calling him a beast with ability to run sideline to sideline.

was curious about your thoughts on a possible trade down scenero involving the Seahawks. my thought is they would love to get their hands on Brandon Albert, at minimum jump ahead of Pittsburgh. In our mocks Albert is off the board so Seattle/Holmgren decide Brohm represents good future value & inusrance @ the QB position. What if however, they make a call to the Texans for the 18th pick offering their pick #25(720) plus a 2nd #55 (350) in exchange to move up #18 (900) to get Albert & Texans QB 1a. Sage Rosenfels?

it is tempting to call in with such questions but you don't realize just how fast "the draft show" flies bye, & its much more interesting to hear your guys thoughts & guests comments like Nolan Nawrocki who I thought was just outstanding :beer:
 
Awesome, thanks for the reminder! What's on the menu to be discussed tonight?

We talked about DBs and who the Texans might target at DB, Chris Henry's departure and what it means to the Bengals, Todd McShay's mock draft and which players have the highest floor (least bust potential).
 
sweet- thanks for the link & Texans update. biggest surprise (to me) was just how much Jethro liked Travis Johnson, calling him a beast with ability to run sideline to sideline.

was curious about your thoughts on a possible trade down scenero involving the Seahawks. my thought is they would love to get their hands on Brandon Albert, at minimum jump ahead of Pittsburgh. In our mocks Albert is off the board so Seattle/Holmgren decide Brohm represents good future value & inusrance @ the QB position. What if however, they make a call to the Texans for the 18th pick offering their pick #25(720) plus a 2nd #55 (350) in exchange to move up #18 (900) to get Albert & Texans QB 1a. Sage Rosenfels?

it is tempting to call in with such questions but you don't realize just how fast "the draft show" flies bye, & its much more interesting to hear your guys thoughts & guests comments like Nolan Nawrocki who I thought was just outstanding :beer:

I just can't see a scenario where Albert would be on the board and the Texans would rather trade back than draft him. I think the Steeles would have interest in trading up if Otah were on the board at 18 still and the Packers could be a team to move up as well if the right CB were on the board. BTW, there are a lot of names I would call Travis Johnson but "beast" isn't one of them.
 
LZ, you're gonna have to tell SEC guy to get his mock draft ready. we can't go into the draft without his insight.
 
I just can't see a scenario where Albert would be on the board and the Texans would rather trade back than draft him.

I agree with you. it's high risk to pass on a player/need like Brandon Albert. On the other hand when talking about trading down people out there have to understand the only way teams give up value is for = or in their opinion greater value. However I could live with a Jonathan Stewart @ #25 & someone like Brandon Flowers @ #55.

I think the Steeles would have interest in trading up if Otah were on the board at 18

more likely the Texans would be willing to do it if Albert is gone. But I'm not ready to discount Otah either (waiting for his pvt workout 4/9) with the success Texans had with Spencer why not go with even better Pitt tackle? could have great success here, he is such a raw talent & this is what Gibbs has been brought in here to do- not only coach up the talent here but to develop diamonds in the rough.

the Packers could be a team to move up as well if the right CB were on the board.

you feel the Packers would trade up for Aqib Talib?

BTW, there are a lot of names I would call Travis Johnson but "beast" isn't one of them.

my mistake, Jethro described him as "burly" not a "beast" overlap "3" technique DT.
 
So, anybody got a problem with taking "the man with 1 kidney" if he falls
all the way to #18 ?
As long as he gets medical clearance, then I guess he's draftable?

I'm buying into the "Dunta will return early" story, so I'm not so hot on taking a CB in round one. There should be a smaller CB that can cover slot receivers available in the 3rd or 4th rounds. If Chris Williams doesn't make it to #18, I wouldn't mind a pass rusher like Derrick Harvey or Quentin Groves. That's right, another d-lineman in the 1st. Keith Rivers wouldn't be so bad, either. I just don't think the Texans need to reach for a corner.
 
My preferences in order (of the ones that have any sort of possibity to be at 18)

1. Williams
2. Albert
3. Stewart
4. Jenkins
5. MKelvin
6. DRC
7. Cherilouse


IMO, one or more of these guys should be there. As long as the guys above are gone and we select one of them I'm happy. From about 5 down, I would be happier with a trade into the 20s to take them.
 
most surprising pick - Jeff Otah #5 to KC

ahead of Clady, I don't understand that & I'm a big Otah fan :thinking:
Clady stock has been falling because of a percieved "lack of passion for the game" and low IQ. Heard some scouts are saying he could even fall into the mid to late teens because of it. Cant remember where I heard it. Think it was on 1560 am. Lance?
 
Clady stock has been falling because of a percieved "lack of passion for the game" and low IQ. Heard some scouts are saying he could even fall into the mid to late teens because of it. Cant remember where I heard it. Think it was on 1560 am. Lance?

The Chiefs are preparing for the possibility, maybe even the likelihood, that they'll have to take their shot at the No. 5 draft spot rather than trade down. Now, drafting at No. 5 will be ideal should Kansas City find Michigan tackle Jake Long, the player they truly covet, available at that spot. But it's looking more unlikely that Long will last that long, and that means the Chiefs will be faced with several options. Their primary needs remain at offensive line, where they have only two proven starters returning in guard Brian Waters and tackle Damion McIntosh. After Long, there probably aren't any offensive linemen of true value at the fifth spot. Taking Boise State tackle Ryan Clady, Pittsburgh tackle Jeff Otah or even fast-rising guard/tackle Branden Albert at that spot would be a reach, but one the Chiefs may have to make out of need. Coach Herm Edwards has said that he doesn't consider it "a reach" to take a player rated at four to five spots below your pick, if that player fills a position of need. Should they take one of the aforementioned linemen, the Chiefs could always say they found him to be of proper value at the spot. But trading down -- maybe between five to eight spots -- would remain their main goal should Jake Long not be there at five. Chiefs followers don't feel the team is ready to pay the financial premium required to sign a running back like Darren McFadden or a quarterback like Matt Ryan. They might be more inclined, then, to consider a premium defensive lineman such as Sedrick Ellis. Either way, as team president Carl Peterson noted when discussing the chances of a trade, "We've got to be prepared to take the fifth pick."

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I might also add OURLADS rating service where Clady graded out 9.42 while Otah (pre-workout) 9.12. to put that into perspective last years #5 overall pick was an OT named Levi Brown he graded out (by the same service) 9.25

Has anyone watched game film? I've watched them all & by far & away Clady is the best LT prospect in this draft he is so mobile & fluid, possess great footwork, hand placement with size & strength to match. Otah is a great developmental prospect but will never move in space like Ryan or extend blocks into the 2nd level.
 
The Chiefs are preparing for the possibility, maybe even the likelihood, that they'll have to take their shot at the No. 5 draft spot rather than trade down. Now, drafting at No. 5 will be ideal should Kansas City find Michigan tackle Jake Long, the player they truly covet, available at that spot. But it's looking more unlikely that Long will last that long, and that means the Chiefs will be faced with several options. Their primary needs remain at offensive line, where they have only two proven starters returning in guard Brian Waters and tackle Damion McIntosh. After Long, there probably aren't any offensive linemen of true value at the fifth spot. Taking Boise State tackle Ryan Clady, Pittsburgh tackle Jeff Otah or even fast-rising guard/tackle Branden Albert at that spot would be a reach, but one the Chiefs may have to make out of need. Coach Herm Edwards has said that he doesn't consider it "a reach" to take a player rated at four to five spots below your pick, if that player fills a position of need. Should they take one of the aforementioned linemen, the Chiefs could always say they found him to be of proper value at the spot. But trading down -- maybe between five to eight spots -- would remain their main goal should Jake Long not be there at five. Chiefs followers don't feel the team is ready to pay the financial premium required to sign a running back like Darren McFadden or a quarterback like Matt Ryan. They might be more inclined, then, to consider a premium defensive lineman such as Sedrick Ellis. Either way, as team president Carl Peterson noted when discussing the chances of a trade, "We've got to be prepared to take the fifth pick."

Pro Draft Scout-

I might also add OURLADS rating service where Clady graded out 9.42 while Otah (pre-workout) 9.12. to put that into perspective last years #5 overall pick was an OT named Levi Brown he graded out (by the same service) 9.25

Has anyone watched game film? I've watched them all & by far & away Clady is the best LT prospect in this draft he is so mobile & fluid, possess great footwork, hand placement with size & strength to match. Otah is a great developmental prospect but will never move in space like Ryan or extend blocks into the 2nd level.
I was able to watch Clady in one of the last games of the season and he wowed me for a big man. Seemed to go well to his left and also pushed his man back. Seemed more a power blocker than finess. Whoever signs him will not be disappointed imo.
 
Clady stock has been falling because of a percieved "lack of passion for the game" and low IQ. Heard some scouts are saying he could even fall into the mid to late teens because of it. Cant remember where I heard it. Think it was on 1560 am. Lance?

The biggest issues with Clady are strength concerns and IQ. Also, some teams just don't think he's dominant in any one aspect of the game which has some teams dropping him. Otah is a more dominant run blocker than everyone other than Long which is one of the reasons he is rising. I got the Otah (potentially to KC) from an NFL guy who said they have had him in and were very excited to see his workout. He did well at his workout so I'm going with Otah at 5 and Albert wouldn't be completely out of the question either (although not as a long term guard).
 
I think this is the time of year where teams and scouts start finding all the little problems to downgrade guys and they are looking for holes rather than seeing the good side, the things that made them rate so highly to begin with. It's kind of like if you first start dating a beautiful and smart girl, and you talk about how great she is, but after a few months you complain to your friend that she smacks her gum and has fuzz in her belly button. You've now missed the big picture that she is a 10 and a rhodes scholar, and are now nitpicking because you have way too much time on your hands.

In short, if Clady somehow drops to 18, the Texans should waste no time in sending up that card. It doesn't take much IQ to say to the big fella, see that guy over there, don't let him hit the QB got it?
 
The biggest issues with Clady are strength concerns and IQ. Also, some teams just don't think he's dominant in any one aspect of the game which has some teams dropping him. Otah is a more dominant run blocker than everyone other than Long which is one of the reasons he is rising. I got the Otah (potentially to KC) from an NFL guy who said they have had him in and were very excited to see his workout. He did well at his workout so I'm going with Otah at 5 and Albert wouldn't be completely out of the question either (although not as a long term guard).
At #5 overall. I personally think the Chiefs may have the best pick in the
Draft. They will be able to get a front-line player who will help them immediately. He won't be cheap at 5, but not near the cap pop that the first 4 picks will have. That also makes the pick more marketable if they want to trade back.
But it seems that if the Chiefs are that sold on Otah, their pick because of its marketablility should allow them to move back and still get Otah. I like Otah, but 5 would be overpaying and nobody else probably values him that highly ?
 
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