If Taylor makes it back I imagine they would cut Walker. I would cut Dayne.
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If I were Rick Smith, this is what I'd do.
- Thread starter Hottoddie
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The Pencil Neck
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Well, it all depends on how everyone looks in training camp. No need to cut anyone until we see who's performing best. I wouldn't be surprised if Echemandu comes to camp along with Walker, Dayne, Green, Taylor, and a few other guys. It will be interesting to see how they draft and who all gets signed in the offseason.
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whiskeyrbl
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Why not we gave a 4 year contract to Green who did not make it through a full game this year. With picking him in the 7th rd, odds are he would'nt make the 53 man roster. However it would provide some competition in the backfield. If he made the team it would be a +. To answer the other question of who I would cut, Green is definitley to expensive to cut, Dayne has been a good fill in,and Walker deserves consideration for next year. So I would be looking at Taylor, Omon, and Lumpkin for my #4 back as well as probably a couple of undrafted players. Not sure if Taylor would qualify as PS eligable, but the other 2 would.
To read a lil about Omon http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=56384
To read some about Lumpkin http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=10656
I would rather draft JaMaroi Thomas in the 7th if he is available. He has 4.4 speed & is very talented.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
You have more chance at getting a date with Cameron Diaz than you do Dwight Lowery developing into a #2 corner. I watched the lad against Rivers of Hawai'i one afternoon. Rivers is 6' 1", 190 and he abused the lad....all day long.
A lot of the mockers have him high on thier boards. He is at best a dime DB/ST player in the NFL. That there thingy is a seventh rounder or FA.
painekiller
All Pro
You are drafting Omon in the 3rd to put on the practice squad? Very few 3rd or 4th rounders clear waivers, so you just wasted a valuable pick that you could have used on a CB, and created about one million in dead money.
Casserly is that you? (Sorry I could not resist, and I apologize for the reference).
One of the reason I do not see us drafting a RB in the 1st or 3rd round or picking up a top tier FA RB is this numbers game.
If the team is giving Green and Dayne the top two spots again, and all remarks point to them doing this, then they either need to add an RB, dropping a TE, good bye Putzier. Green, Dayne, Taylor, new guy drafted in the 4th or later round is my guess.
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whiskeyrbl
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Not exactly what I was refering to. My reference to the practice squad was If Taylor actually beat them out. Not to say we draft for the PS. And no this is not Casserly(Thank God). I truly think if this kid (Omon) was brought in he would be our #1 back about a third of the way into the season if not the start of the season. However now I hear Charles is going pro.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
If they draft clady I may cry. the guy is another mid major wannabe just like Carr. please stay away from him RS. Tony Hills is a better LT prospect than clady and he could be gotten in the late 2nd or early 3rd round.
we should have learned to stop drafting from 2nd tier conferences after drafting the likes of Carr and Babin. Stick to the real conferences in the 1st Round and if there is a guy in a 2nd tier conference in the 2nd or later and you are in love with him, fine. Just not int he 1st Round anymore. We have been burned tooooooooooo much. Think about the talent Clady played against on a weekly basis. even so, I am sure some desparate GM will reach on him earlier than where we pick(#18) and it will be a mute argument.
We need to draft a Corner or Kenny Phillips in the 1st Round and get a project LT later in the draft or through FA. Everyoen around here seems so fixated on LT. The team gave up 21 sacks the whole season. The OL is in pretty good shape especially if we resign Weary and Spencer comes back. Stop living in the past. The OL isn't our top need now that that loser Carr is weeks away from a new career as a Playgirl model. Quite a coincidence, huh.
we should have learned to stop drafting from 2nd tier conferences after drafting the likes of Carr and Babin. Stick to the real conferences in the 1st Round and if there is a guy in a 2nd tier conference in the 2nd or later and you are in love with him, fine. Just not int he 1st Round anymore. We have been burned tooooooooooo much. Think about the talent Clady played against on a weekly basis. even so, I am sure some desparate GM will reach on him earlier than where we pick(#18) and it will be a mute argument.
We need to draft a Corner or Kenny Phillips in the 1st Round and get a project LT later in the draft or through FA. Everyoen around here seems so fixated on LT. The team gave up 21 sacks the whole season. The OL is in pretty good shape especially if we resign Weary and Spencer comes back. Stop living in the past. The OL isn't our top need now that that loser Carr is weeks away from a new career as a Playgirl model. Quite a coincidence, huh.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
Clady grades out as one of the top OT's in the draft. Everyone had a mancrush on Spencer but he didn't come from a power school, and even at that he only played 1 year of offensive line period. Yeah, he saw an abundant amount of top tier competition.
Omon does NOT go int the 3rd. He would be lucky to go in the 5th. He has good size, but I do not expect him to run well. Hardie is a good pick though.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Clady grades out as one of the top OT's in the draft. Everyone had a mancrush on Spencer but he didn't come from a power school, and even at that he only played 1 year of offensive line period. Yeah, he saw an abundant amount of top tier competition.
First off, Spencer was picked in the 3rd Round.
Secondly, the guy went to Pitt and that is a football power. they have won multiple National Championships in their history, have a former mutiple Super Bowl-winning NFL Defensive Coordinator as their Head Coach and have put out quality NFL players for over 5 decades. Hall of Famers. All-Time greats. Names like Pop freaking Warner, Tony Dorsett, Mike Ditka, Dan Marino, Hugh Green, Mark May, Russ Grimm, Jimbo Covert, Bill Fralic, Craig "Ironhead" Heyward, Chris Doleman, Tony Siragusa, Mark May, and Curtis Martin. Comparing a guy coming from Pitt to a guy coming from Boise State is a disservice to all those greats. Boise State plays on a blue football field, that alone drops him 32 spots on my board
that is like 5 or 6 Hall Of Famers right there with Martin still having an outside shot at adding to that number. I would call that power up there with Michigan, Texas, Ohio State, or USC. They had some down years as a team but they always pump out quality talent into the league. Since the birth of the league. Day One.
I loved them drafting Spencer and Winston in the 3rd Round. that is where the value is. You draft one of the guys you feel you can develop and look what happened. Winston is already proving that he is a quality starter and Spencer was showing signs of true franchise LT ability. I feel we go CB in the 1st and then OL depth in the 3rd or 4th Round. If we really want an LT we could trade down and get a guy in the mid to late 2nd or early 3rd round, but spending a 1st Round pick from a guy playing in a midmajor against players that wont even get a sniff of the NFL is risky at best. We need to stay the course and develop the guys we got.
We have Weary, Pitts, Spencer, and Winston all 1st day draft guys. Lets stay the course and add a piece to the puzzle rather than bringing in some sort of mythical 'OL Savior' to change the misguided perception of some fans that our OL is the thing keeping us from being a contender. its the defense that is preventing us and it has been since we got rid of Glenn for PBuc.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
The 2005 Titan draft ... I found it curious .
2005 - Tennessee Titans
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 6 Pacman Jones CB West Virginia
2 41 Michael Roos T Eastern Washington
3 68 Courtney Roby WR Indiana
3 96 Brandon Jones WR Oklahoma
4 108 Vincent Fuller DB Virginia Tech
4 113 David Stewart T Mississippi State
4 136 Roydell Williams WR Tulane
5 142 Damien Nash RB Missouri
5 150 Daniel Loper T Texas Tech
6 179 Bo Scaife TE Texas
7 218 Reynaldo Hill CB Florida
2005 - Tennessee Titans
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 6 Pacman Jones CB West Virginia
2 41 Michael Roos T Eastern Washington
3 68 Courtney Roby WR Indiana
3 96 Brandon Jones WR Oklahoma
4 108 Vincent Fuller DB Virginia Tech
4 113 David Stewart T Mississippi State
4 136 Roydell Williams WR Tulane
5 142 Damien Nash RB Missouri
5 150 Daniel Loper T Texas Tech
6 179 Bo Scaife TE Texas
7 218 Reynaldo Hill CB Florida
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
Besides an abundance of picks....why?
I may just be out of it and I'm likely missing something obvious, but I don't get it.
Hottoddie
Veteran
Well, I guess it's time to revamp my 1st post. I've got a little better understanding of how the June 1st cuts affect the cap thanks to Painekiller & I believe our draft priorities will be a little different from my first run through this. So, let's take another look at it.
I more clearly explained my understanding of our upcoming cap space in post #46, but thanks to Painekiller, I must revise the cutting Weaver after June 1st impact on our cap. Since his bonus is not spread out evenly over two years, we'll actually have another $1.35 million in available cap space this year. Which brings our total available cap space to ~$38.45 million.
If we assume that signing Davis, Demps, C.C. Brown, Kalu, Weary, Clark, our draft picks, & Mario's portion of his Option Bonus ($3 million) eats up about $18 million, that still leaves us with ~$20 million to chase free agents with.
I'm still planning on going after the same players in free agency, but let's take a closer look at how their salary & bonuses will impact us.
Free Agency
1) If I sign Travelle Wharton (LT) to a six year $60 million contract, with an $18 million signing bonus & a 1st year base of $2 million, his first year cap hit will be approximately $5 million. That leaves me $15 million for additional free agents.
2) Next, I'll sign Marcus Trufant (CB) to a six year $48 million contract, with a $12 million signing bonus & a 1st year base of $1 million. Thus, his first year cap hit will be approximately $3 million. That still leaves me with $12 million to pursue additional free agents.
3) Next, I'll go after Landon Johnson (OLB). If I sign him to a 6 year $48 million contract, with a $12 million signing bonus & a 1st year base of $1 million, his 1st year cap hit will be approximately $3 million as well. Thus leaving me with approximately $9 million left in cap space. That also gives me some flexibilty if the numbers I proposed aren't enough to get the "Big 3" under contract.
Assuming I still have $9 million left for free agents, I can go in a number of different directions, or I can just call it a day for this year.
4) So, with that in mind, I'll make a run at Corey Williams (DT). I'll see if I can get him for 6 years @ $36 million, with a signing bonus of $10 million & a 1st year base of $1 million. That makes his 1st year cap hit $2.7 million. That leaves about $6.3 million available for unforseen needs.
Man, do I wish it was this simple.
Now, we're off to see how this impacts my draft moves.First off, I'm looking for a buyer for TJ. I'll ask for a 2nd, but will settle for a 4th. Let's just assume Cincinnati gives me a 4th round pick for him. They really need DL help.
If one of the "Big 3" RB's are not available, I'm looking to trade down. There are 3 scenarios that I can see as possibilities.
a) We trade #18 for San Francisco's #29 & #39. San Francisco trades up to get Derrick Harvey (OLB/DE).
b) We trade #18 for Atlanta's two second round picks (#35 & #50). Atlanta takes the best available WR (DeSean Jackson, Malcolm Kelly, Adarius Bowman) to pair with their new QB (Matt Ryan).
c) We trade #18 for Dallas's #28 & #60 picks. Dallas trades up to get one of the aformentioned WR's, CB, or OT that might not make it to #28.
I'm going to assume we make the trade with Atlanta in this scenario. Now, let's see what I can do with the extra picks.
Draft Day
(2nd)#35 Shawn Crable (OLB) - Monster at the SAM. Plays with a nasty streak, good speed & great size.
(2nd)#50 Charles Godfrey (CB) - Excellent size, speed, & closing burst. Very nice prospect for Rhodes to groom.
(3rd)#82 Kevin Smith (RB) - Say what you want, but I have a good feeling about this kid & think we'd be real lucky to get him here. It all depends upon what he does at the combine.
(4th-Cincinnati)#108 Steve Justice (C) - Best available center in a weak class.
(4th)#114 Louis Holmes (DE) - Great size & speed, but needs coaching & experience.
5th) Andrew Bain (G) or Eric Bakhtiai (DE)
6th) Eric Bakhtiai (DE) or Bruce Hocker (WR)
7) Caleb Campbell (SS) or Bruce Hocker (WR)
Ain't it fun speculating?
Well, I guess it's time to revamp my 1st post. I've got a little better understanding of how the June 1st cuts affect the cap thanks to Painekiller & I believe our draft priorities will be a little different from my first run through this. So, let's take another look at it.
I more clearly explained my understanding of our upcoming cap space in post #46, but thanks to Painekiller, I must revise the cutting Weaver after June 1st impact on our cap. Since his bonus is not spread out evenly over two years, we'll actually have another $1.35 million in available cap space this year. Which brings our total available cap space to ~$38.45 million.
If we assume that signing Davis, Demps, C.C. Brown, Kalu, Weary, Clark, our draft picks, & Mario's portion of his Option Bonus ($3 million) eats up about $18 million, that still leaves us with ~$20 million to chase free agents with.
I'm still planning on going after the same players in free agency, but let's take a closer look at how their salary & bonuses will impact us.
Free Agency
1) If I sign Travelle Wharton (LT) to a six year $60 million contract, with an $18 million signing bonus & a 1st year base of $2 million, his first year cap hit will be approximately $5 million. That leaves me $15 million for additional free agents.
2) Next, I'll sign Marcus Trufant (CB) to a six year $48 million contract, with a $12 million signing bonus & a 1st year base of $1 million. Thus, his first year cap hit will be approximately $3 million. That still leaves me with $12 million to pursue additional free agents.
3) Next, I'll go after Landon Johnson (OLB). If I sign him to a 6 year $48 million contract, with a $12 million signing bonus & a 1st year base of $1 million, his 1st year cap hit will be approximately $3 million as well. Thus leaving me with approximately $9 million left in cap space. That also gives me some flexibilty if the numbers I proposed aren't enough to get the "Big 3" under contract.
Assuming I still have $9 million left for free agents, I can go in a number of different directions, or I can just call it a day for this year.
4) So, with that in mind, I'll make a run at Corey Williams (DT). I'll see if I can get him for 6 years @ $36 million, with a signing bonus of $10 million & a 1st year base of $1 million. That makes his 1st year cap hit $2.7 million. That leaves about $6.3 million available for unforseen needs.
Man, do I wish it was this simple.
First off, I'm looking for a buyer for TJ. I'll ask for a 2nd, but will settle for a 4th. Let's just assume Cincinnati gives me a 4th round pick for him. They really need DL help.
If one of the "Big 3" RB's are not available, I'm looking to trade down. There are 3 scenarios that I can see as possibilities.
a) We trade #18 for San Francisco's #29 & #39. San Francisco trades up to get Derrick Harvey (OLB/DE).
b) We trade #18 for Atlanta's two second round picks (#35 & #50). Atlanta takes the best available WR (DeSean Jackson, Malcolm Kelly, Adarius Bowman) to pair with their new QB (Matt Ryan).
c) We trade #18 for Dallas's #28 & #60 picks. Dallas trades up to get one of the aformentioned WR's, CB, or OT that might not make it to #28.
I'm going to assume we make the trade with Atlanta in this scenario. Now, let's see what I can do with the extra picks.
Draft Day
(2nd)#35 Shawn Crable (OLB) - Monster at the SAM. Plays with a nasty streak, good speed & great size.
(2nd)#50 Charles Godfrey (CB) - Excellent size, speed, & closing burst. Very nice prospect for Rhodes to groom.
(3rd)#82 Kevin Smith (RB) - Say what you want, but I have a good feeling about this kid & think we'd be real lucky to get him here. It all depends upon what he does at the combine.
(4th-Cincinnati)#108 Steve Justice (C) - Best available center in a weak class.
(4th)#114 Louis Holmes (DE) - Great size & speed, but needs coaching & experience.
5th) Andrew Bain (G) or Eric Bakhtiai (DE)
6th) Eric Bakhtiai (DE) or Bruce Hocker (WR)
7) Caleb Campbell (SS) or Bruce Hocker (WR)
Ain't it fun speculating?
When looking at your FA signings, are you leaving money to sign draft choices?
bigbrewster2000
Veteran
Well, I guess it's time to revamp my 1st post. I've got a little better understanding of how the June 1st cuts affect the cap thanks to Painekiller & I believe our draft priorities will be a little different from my first run through this. So, let's take another look at it.
I more clearly explained my understanding of our upcoming cap space in post #46, but thanks to Painekiller, I must revise the cutting Weaver after June 1st impact on our cap. Since his bonus is not spread out evenly over two years, we'll actually have another $1.35 million in available cap space this year. Which brings our total available cap space to ~$38.45 million.
If we assume that signing Davis, Demps, C.C. Brown, Kalu, Weary, Clark, our draft picks, & Mario's portion of his Option Bonus ($3 million) eats up about $18 million, that still leaves us with ~$20 million to chase free agents with.
I'm still planning on going after the same players in free agency, but let's take a closer look at how their salary & bonuses will impact us.
Free Agency
1) If I sign Travelle Wharton (LT) to a six year $60 million contract, with an $18 million signing bonus & a 1st year base of $2 million, his first year cap hit will be approximately $5 million. That leaves me $15 million for additional free agents.
2) Next, I'll sign Marcus Trufant (CB) to a six year $48 million contract, with a $12 million signing bonus & a 1st year base of $1 million. Thus, his first year cap hit will be approximately $3 million. That still leaves me with $12 million to pursue additional free agents.
3) Next, I'll go after Landon Johnson (OLB). If I sign him to a 6 year $48 million contract, with a $12 million signing bonus & a 1st year base of $1 million, his 1st year cap hit will be approximately $3 million as well. Thus leaving me with approximately $9 million left in cap space. That also gives me some flexibilty if the numbers I proposed aren't enough to get the "Big 3" under contract.
Assuming I still have $9 million left for free agents, I can go in a number of different directions, or I can just call it a day for this year.
4) So, with that in mind, I'll make a run at Corey Williams (DT). I'll see if I can get him for 6 years @ $36 million, with a signing bonus of $10 million & a 1st year base of $1 million. That makes his 1st year cap hit $2.7 million. That leaves about $6.3 million available for unforseen needs.
Man, do I wish it was this simple.
First off, I'm looking for a buyer for TJ. I'll ask for a 2nd, but will settle for a 4th. Let's just assume Cincinnati gives me a 4th round pick for him. They really need DL help.
If one of the "Big 3" RB's are not available, I'm looking to trade down. There are 3 scenarios that I can see as possibilities.
a) We trade #18 for San Francisco's #29 & #39. San Francisco trades up to get Derrick Harvey (OLB/DE).
b) We trade #18 for Atlanta's two second round picks (#35 & #50). Atlanta takes the best available WR (DeSean Jackson, Malcolm Kelly, Adarius Bowman) to pair with their new QB (Matt Ryan).
c) We trade #18 for Dallas's #28 & #60 picks. Dallas trades up to get one of the aformentioned WR's, CB, or OT that might not make it to #28.
I'm going to assume we make the trade with Atlanta in this scenario. Now, let's see what I can do with the extra picks.
Draft Day
(2nd)#35 Shawn Crable (OLB) - Monster at the SAM. Plays with a nasty streak, good speed & great size.
(2nd)#50 Charles Godfrey (CB) - Excellent size, speed, & closing burst. Very nice prospect for Rhodes to groom.
(3rd)#82 Kevin Smith (RB) - Say what you want, but I have a good feeling about this kid & think we'd be real lucky to get him here. It all depends upon what he does at the combine.
(4th-Cincinnati)#108 Steve Justice (C) - Best available center in a weak class.
(4th)#114 Louis Holmes (DE) - Great size & speed, but needs coaching & experience.
5th) Andrew Bain (G) or Eric Bakhtiai (DE)
6th) Eric Bakhtiai (DE) or Bruce Hocker (WR)
7) Caleb Campbell (SS) or Bruce Hocker (WR)
Ain't it fun speculating?
The major problem with this scenario or any scenario involving the signing of more than 1 big FA name is that eventually you do have to pay them. Yes their 1st and 2nd years are inexpensive but we would be severely hamstrung by year 3 because not only are we paying overly bloated salaries to those FA's but the rest of the players on our team have elevated salaries as well. AJ for one and then Demeco would be lost to FA cause we couldnt pay him and so on and so forth.
While it is fun to think of all of these guys you could throw on a team, signing more than 1 big time FA is totally unrealistic. That kind of stuff does not typically work out for the team as a whole. That doesnt mean they wont sign a handful of guys they probably just wont be the big names everyone is hoping for. We all got a small taste of what cap hell can do to a team, and I have no desire to be there anytime soon. The way to stay out of there is to sign 1 big time FA, since we do have the space then good quality fair priced FA guys. Then the rest comes in the DRAFT. It is a must to get the majority of you talent there. It is much cheaper to fill holes that way and it helps with team continuity.
Look at the Patriots and the Colts as great examples of this working for them. The Pats sign 1 Big time FA name in Adaleus Thomas. Granted they made 2 trades for Welker and Moss but they didnt spend alot of money on them just draft picks. Like 95% percent of the guys on that team were drafted by them. It seems to be about the same percentage for the Colts. And they really never go out for big name FA's and they won the Superbowl last year with all guys they drafted.
Ok sorry to go off on your post its just a pipedream in reality. But like Isaid before it's fun to plug names in and daydream what it would be like with those guys in our Uni's
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Wasn't that the Jason Babin deal that didn't hurt us very much ?
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Aggreed up there Brewster, quick fixes are more risky than the draft because of the cap. I would be thrilled at two. I believe Dansby, because the cards can't tag two guys. Gotta believe they'll tag the all everything safty. I've been told that Randal Gay has been resigned to an extension. If they got a verteran, a moderatly priced veteran , wouldn't force a DB at the eighteen.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
So, what do I have to work with & what do I need to do with it?
Draft Day
1) Jonathan Stewart (RB), Kenny Phillips (FS), Mike Jenkins (CB), Dan Conner (OLB)
3) Leodis McKelvin (CB), Steve Winston (C), Louis Holmes (DE)
4) Jordon Dizon (OLB), John Sullivan (C), Kyle Devan (C)
5) Kyle Devan (C), Andrew Bain (G), Eric Bakhtiai (DE)
6) Eric Bakhtiai (DE), Bruce Hocker (WR), Hercules Satele (G)
7) Bruce Hocker (WR), Caleb Campbell (SS), Lionel Dotson (DT), Eric Foster (DE)
Hehe, how's that for a list of no name draft picks?
Anyway, what would you do, if you were Rick Smith?
I realize that this is an old thread but looking back now there is no way McKelvin is there in the 3rd unless he smokes pot or does something stupid right in from of scouts on his combine day. He will be a mid first rounder at this point.
Hottoddie
Veteran
Hottoddie
Veteran
I agree. However, I do expect us to go get 2 major FA's this year. From all indications, Carolina is going to let Wharton walk & pick up his replacement with the #13 pick (Clady, Otah). Wharton has become a very nice young LT & we should be able to make a run at him.
I really want Trufant, but as Beerlover alluded to, he might just stay with Seattle. That's why we have to offer him a deal he can't refuse. Having Rhodes on board won't hurt either.
Landon Johnson is flying under the radar & would make a nice addition to our linebacking corp.
While you mention future bloated salaries, we only have 7 players making over $5+ million per year in Weaver, AJ, Schaub, Greenwood, Pitts, Green, & Mario, once they exercise his option bonus. In all likelyhood, Weaver & Green will be off the books in 1-2 years & Greenwood might be replaced through the draft. That would leave us with just 4 large contracts with DeMeco & Dunta as the only one's on the horizon with big paydays coming. And, Dunta's not guaranteed of that at the moment.
I guess it doesn't really matter, but one thing is for sure, our draft this year will be dictated by what happens in free agency & we've got a lot of cash to spend.
Hottoddie
Veteran
That's why I posted a new one. See post# 65.