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All Encompassing Vick Thread

PapaL said:
I'm not even going to respond to this. Must be a great view from that glass house.
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I think there are real bad people roaming the streets who should be addressed first and foremost.
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Why? Is it not what this previous statement of yours means? That we shouldn't pay much regard to the lesser crimes, only the "real bad people" murdering, raping and selling.

What about the guy that breaks into your house stealing everything in sight while tearing it up at the same time. Are you just going to shrug it off and inform the officer that the crime isn't a priorty and to stick with the "real bad people" investigations.

I'm willing to bet if one of these lesser crimes happened to you, you'd be singing a different tune.
 
PapaL said:
Are any of those things illegal? When did all those things happen? Before this incident right? Give the man an opportunity.

I'm not trying to come off as a Vick apologist, I'm saying let the man do his time, pay off his debt however the court deems and move on.
Geez - like none of us have ever used a psuedonym and given a girl an STD.
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Ummm yes... Failing a drug test?? and no, not before this case - while awaiting his sentencing on 'this' case.
 
ATLANTA - A woman who charged in a lawsuit that Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick knowingly gave her a sexually transmitted disease has agreed to an undisclosed resolution of the case, his attorney said Monday.

“The case has been resolved,” attorney Lawrence Woodward said.

When asked if the details of the agreement between Vick and the woman, Sonya Elliott, would be disclosed, Woodward said: “The only comment I’ve got is the case has been resolved.”

Elliott, a 26-year-old health care worker, claimed she tested positive for herpes after unprotected sex with Vick in April 2003. In the complaint, filed in Gwinnett County State Court, Elliott contended that Vick “apologized profusely” for failing to disclose he was infected with the disease, which can be treated but not cured.

The lawsuit also claimed Vick used the alias “Ron Mexico” when seeking treatment for the disease.
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I would think knowingly infecting someone is illegal. Fortunately for him, he was able to reach a settlement with Elliot.

Settlement Reached in Michael Vick HERPES case
 
Texan_Bill said:
Ummm yes... Failing a drug test?? and no, not before this case - while awaiting his sentencing on 'this' case.
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Failing an NFL drug test is illegal? Wow - is everyone subject to that?

Don't confuse work rules with actual legislation.

Texan_Bill said:
I would think knowingly infecting someone is illegal. Fortunately for him, he was able to reach a settlement with Elliot.
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Is there a law that says this is illegal? Is it immoral? Of course.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Why? Is it not what this previous statement of yours means? That we shouldn't pay much regard to the lesser crimes, only the "real bad people" murdering, raping and selling.

What about the guy that breaks into your house stealing everything in sight while tearing it up at the same time. Are you just going to shrug it off and inform the officer that the crime isn't a priorty and to stick with the "real bad people" investigations.

I'm willing to bet if one of these lesser crimes happened to you, you'd be singing a different tune.
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You can twist it how you want. I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you. I have clearly said that on the GRAND scale big picture this is being made out to be bigger than it needs to be. Jamal Lewis, Ray Lewis, Rae Carruth didn't get this kind of pub and they transported drugs and killed people.
 
PapaL said:
Failing an NFL drug test is illegal? Wow - is everyone subject to that?

Don't confuse work rules with actual legislation.



Is there a law that says this is illegal? Is it immoral? Of course.
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Vick's positive urine sample was submitted Sept. 13, according to a document by a federal probation officer that was filed in U.S. District Court on Wednesday.

Because Vick violated the conditions of his release, Hudson could take that into consideration during sentencing, said Linda Malone, a criminal procedure expert and Marshall-Wythe Foundation professor of law at the College of William and Mary.
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Link: Vick Tested Positive for.....

Apparently you missed the news in September.. He failed his drug test which was a condition of his bail. It had NOTHING to do with the NFL... Thats no different than someone on probation or parole failing a drug test. That is illegal and again has nada to with his employment.

And yes, knowingly inflicting pain and/or anguish (harming someone) is illegal. Morality has nothing to do with that. Some might even call it assault.
 
PapaL said:
You can twist it how you want. I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you. I have clearly said that on the GRAND scale big picture this is being made out to be bigger than it needs to be. Jamal Lewis, Ray Lewis, Rae Carruth didn't get this kind of pub and they transported drugs and killed people.
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You need to factor in several things before you come to your conclusion:

1. Mick Vick was a QB, guys at the position get more pub inherently,

2. Mick Vick had a long sorted history of problems before this dog thing came up, whereas the guys you listed above did not have a dicernable pattern of issues well documented in the media, and

3. There is a new commissioner and a serious approach to maintaining the league image.

Point is, you can't compare those 3 guys to the Mick Vick situation because it is a different time, place, and person.
 
hollywood_texan said:
You need to factor in several things before you come to your conclusion:

1. Mick Vick was a QB, guys at the position get more pub inherently,

2. Mick Vick had a long sorted history of problems before this dog thing came up, whereas the guys you listed above did not have a dicernable pattern of issues well documented in the media, and

3. There is a new commissioner and a serious approach to maintaining the league image.

Point is, you can't compare those 3 guys to the Mick Vick situation because it is a different time, place, and person.
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Plus:

4. Incompetent local prosecutor who kept sticking his mug in front of mikes and then flip flopping positions keeping the news stirring. He should have shut his trap while investigating.

5. Due to 4, the Feds got involved and that pumped the story into high gear.

Texan_Bill said:
oh, and Rae Carruth was found guilty of conspiracty to commit murder and is serving 18-24 years in prison.
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Yup--and Jamal Lewis spent time in jail as well.
 
"RICHMOND, Va. — Two of fallen NFL star Michael Vick's co-defendants were sentenced today to 18 months and 21 months in prison on federal dogfighting conspiracy charges.

Quanis Phillips of Atlanta and Purnell Peace of Virginia Beach could have received up to five years in prison — the same maximum Vick faces when he is sentenced Dec. 10.

Peace, Phillips and Tony Taylor of Hampton pleaded guilty last summer and agreed to testify against Vick, prompting the suspended Atlanta Falcons quarterback to enter his own plea agreement a few days later. Taylor will be sentenced Dec. 14.

"You may have thought this was sporting, but it was very callous and cruel," U.S. District Judge Henry Hudson told Phillips.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5341611.html
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I suspect that was also Vick's take on the activity Judge, but as they say ignorance of the law is not an excuse. How much time Vick gets in the slammer I dunno know, but this doesn't bode well for him.
I'm probably the only white guy in the US who thinks Vick is getting the shaft,
but after seeing the documentary on PETAs screwball Ingrid Newkirk, Vick
might be fortunate he's not getting the death sentence. I dunno, he may yet ?
 
nunusguy said:
"RICHMOND, Va. — Two of fallen NFL star Michael Vick's co-defendants were sentenced today to 18 months and 21 months in prison on federal dogfighting conspiracy charges.

Quanis Phillips of Atlanta and Purnell Peace of Virginia Beach could have received up to five years in prison — the same maximum Vick faces when he is sentenced Dec. 10.

Peace, Phillips and Tony Taylor of Hampton pleaded guilty last summer and agreed to testify against Vick, prompting the suspended Atlanta Falcons quarterback to enter his own plea agreement a few days later. Taylor will be sentenced Dec. 14.

"You may have thought this was sporting, but it was very callous and cruel," U.S. District Judge Henry Hudson told Phillips.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5341611.html
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I suspect that was also Vick's take on the activity Judge, but as they say ignorance of the law is not an excuse. How much time Vick gets in the slammer I dunno know, but this doesn't bode well for him.
I'm probably the only white guy in the US who thinks Vick is getting the shaft,
but after seeing the documentary on PETAs screwball Ingrid Newkirk, Vick
might be fortunate he's not getting the death sentence. I dunno, he may yet ?
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OUCH. This does not bode well for Vick. These were the guys who cooperated in the investigation and they still both almost got 2 years in jail each. Vick bankrolled the whole operation, DID NOT cooperate, and was essentially the kingpin of this crime ring.

I believe Vick may get 24 months in the hole at least. I thought he would get 12 months and maybe be back for the 2008 NFL season if he got out early for good behavior. I don't think that anymore. I think his career is over and his freedom is forfeit for the next 2 years....ouch


sucks to be Vick
 
Vick gets sentenced on the federal chargest today. I heard on ESPN radio this morning that the prosecution is going to argue that VIck has not been cooperative with them...bad move, Mr. Vick.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Vick gets sentenced on the federal chargest today. I heard on ESPN radio this morning that the prosecution is going to argue that VIck has not been cooperative with them...bad move, Mr. Vick.
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at least he is 'keepin it real' and not 'snitchin'.......those losers who are picketing for vick's release are losers. i guess if you pay a church enough money they will send half their congregation out to picket for your cause.

just pathetic, Atlanta. the dude needs to go to the hole for a few years and think about how much he screwed up his life by being a stupid ghetto thug.
 
Linkage:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3148549

RICHMOND, Va. -- Michael Vick was sentenced to 23 months in prison Monday for his role in a dogfighting conspiracy.

Federal sentencing guidelines suggested a year to 18 months.

The suspended Atlanta Falcons quarterback also received three years' probation at his sentencing before U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson.

With nearly a month already served, going by Hudson's sentencing, Vick would be scheduled for release in October 2009.
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swtbound07 said:
i am going to laugh hysterically at all of you lemmings that rushed to the conclusion of lifetime bans and extreme prison sentences......i've said all along, no jailtime, and probably no nfl suspension..
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Sorry, I couldn't resist bringing this back up :):pirate:
 
TigerV1 said:
And now he gets 23 months in prison.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316319,00.html

Will he be able to salvage his career after nearly 2 years in prison?
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Doubt it especially after goodell drops the hammer.

Meanwhile the turd that is Pacman Jones gets off with 1 year probation & anger management classes for his role in a strip club shooting that ultimately left a man paralyzed. Federal or not, this is how ass backwards the US is at times.
 
gtexan02 said:
Sorry, I couldn't resist bringing this back up :):pirate:
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yeah that dude was pretty clueless in regards to Vick. Vick got what he deserved for being such a dirtbag. his career is over, his financial situation is in a complete freefall, and he is now just another loser in an orange jumpsuit.

he will probably end up in the CFL for a few years or resort to wrestling. just a few years ago Vick was on top of the world....but then because he wanted to keep it real and stay true to his ghetto friends and ghetto lifestyle, the world is now on top of him.

Vick is a pile of dog crap...no pun intended
 
I thought he might've gotten a little more time with the fact that he financed the operation & with the prosecutors saying that Vick was vague & misleading in some of his answers to their questions. It should be interesting to see the reaction from around the league. Doesn't he also have state charges to worry about? Could mean more jail time.
 
TigerV1 said:
And now he gets 23 months in prison.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316319,00.html

Will he be able to salvage his career after nearly 2 years in prison?
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Considering he is still facing state charges, I doubt football will be happening for Vick unless someone wants a sideshow in a few years.

texasguy346 said:
I thought he might've gotten a little more time with the fact that he financed the operation & with the prosecutors saying that Vick was vague & misleading in some of his answers to their questions. It should be interesting to see the reaction from around the league. Doesn't he also have state charges to worry about? Could mean more jail time.
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Up to 5 years for the state charges too.
 
23 Months in Jail for Vick; link

SI.com said:
RICHMOND, Va. (AP) -- Michael Vick was sentenced to 23 months in prison Monday for running a "cruel and inhumane" dogfighting ring and lying about it.

The suspended Atlanta Falcons quarterback could have been sentenced up to five years by U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson. Vick, who turned himself in Nov. 19 in anticipation of his sentence, was wearing a black-and-white striped prison suit.

After Vick apologized to the court and his family, Hudson told him: "You need to apologize to the millions of young people who looked up to you."

"Yes, sir," Vick answered.

The 27-year-old player acknowledged using "poor judgment" and added, "I'm willing to deal with the consequences and accept responsibility for my actions."

Although there is no parole in the federal system, rules governing time off for good behavior could reduce Vick's prison stay by about three months, resulting in a summer 2009 release.
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Vick won't serve all 23 months, probably half and the state charges will not go through IMO because it would be double jeopardy.....atleast I hear his lawyers will argue that.
 
atxcoolguy said:
Vick won't serve all 23 months, probably half and the state charges will not go through IMO because it would be double jeopardy.....atleast I hear his lawyers will argue that.
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He'll do the overwhelming majority of the time. There is no federal parole.

His lawyers can argue double jeopardy (although I doubt they will) federal and state charges are brought separately all the time. The best bet is a plea deal with concurrent sentences.

I'm surprised the sentence exceeded the prosecutors recommendation. Seems like that would hurt the feds ability to negotiate plea bargains.
 
atxcoolguy said:
Vick won't serve all 23 months, probably half and the state charges will not go through IMO because it would be double jeopardy.....atleast I hear his lawyers will argue that.
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From everything I have heard today is that he has to serve 85% of the time in prison, he can serve 1 month in a half-way house, and the rest is for good behavior. One little mishap in prison and there will be no good time.
 
The Falcons owner is acting like he's going to bring him back. He's still popular there in Atlanta. I'd never want the Pacman's or the Vick's playing for Houston.
 
So, he'll be in the 2009 draft? So much for coming out early....

Wonder if he can out play the man to man coverage for two years.....

Do you think his celmate will welcome him by saying, "there's my dog".....

Will he be sacked....



...okay, I'm out.
 
Specnatz said:
From everything I have heard today is that he has to serve 85% of the time in prison, he can serve 1 month in a half-way house, and the rest is for good behavior. One little mishap in prison and there will be no good time.
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Federal law is very specific on this point.


Even if Vick ONLY spends his mandated 19 1/2 months (notwithstanding the possibility of up to 5 years of state sentence), what skills will he be left with by the time an opportunity arises for a football return? He'll have weights and ability to run every day, but who will he practice his trade with............and his legs (his name to fame) will be 2 years older and will undoubtedly move 2 years slower.

And if Goodell allows it, whoever the whore owner that takes him on will deserve his travelling "circus" that will be created.............Hail, another almighty NFL role model.

All deserve a second chance..............but like a pediphile...........they deserve a second chance far, far, far away...............
 
The Feds don't **** around when it comes to prison time. Of course my cousin got sentenced to a nickle for violating the RICO statues, and they still haven't come to get him yet. The Feds love to play with your mind.
 
Spled said:
The Falcons owner is acting like he's going to bring him back. He's still popular there in Atlanta. I'd never want the Pacman's or the Vick's playing for Houston.
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Don't know where you're getting that. I live here and Vick is only popular with a small portion of the black community now (these are people who still say OJ is innocent), not so much with everyone else and Vick will NEVER play in Atlanta again. Arthur Blank has had a belly full of Vick, he's now seeking $20 million in bonus money back from vick and just said on tv after the game, "We (the falcons) have moved past Michael Vick."

And oh Yeah, as to Vicks popularity, they had a rally for vick at a sports arena and 200 people showed up. In a city of five million, two hundred showed up, yeah, he's real popular.

This (Vick) is a guy that after he made his deal with the feds continued to lie and try and minimise his role as the "Big dog" of the operation and he got caught doing drugs again in violation of the law and his agreements. The judge did not believe Vick was sorry for his actions or contrite in any way and thus the long sentence. I too believe Vick has still not gotten the idea that he did anything wrong.

Eleven weeks after signing with the Falcons, when Vick got his money he bought the house in virginia and started his illegal dog fighting and gambling operation. What he did he had to know was wrong and illegal but he did it anyway with full pre meditation, it was not a "mistake" as his lawyer is trying to tell everyone. Since then Vick has shown poor judgement and decision making on and off the field getting in one scrape after another and now he has to pay the piper.

I wouldn't say he should never play football again, but he'll never be the $134 million quarterback again. Frankly he just isn't that great a QB anyway, he's exciting to watch but he doesn't win games.
 
i've never even thought of him as exciting. in fact he's an insult to real QB play. his hype is a result of a Madden-loving nation that has no respect for the strategy and overall intellect that goes into the position. dumb QB's don't win, period.
 
kastofsna said:
i've never even thought of him as exciting. in fact he's an insult to real QB play. his hype is a result of a Madden-loving nation that has no respect for the strategy and overall intellect that goes into the position. dumb QB's don't win, period.
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Signed,

Vince Young
 
kastofsna said:
i've never even thought of him as exciting. in fact he's an insult to real QB play. his hype is a result of a Madden-loving nation that has no respect for the strategy and overall intellect that goes into the position. dumb QB's don't win, period.
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Did you ever watch him play? Falcons games were mostly blacked out at home for lack of butts in seats before Vick came here. When he was playing every seat was taken. He is an amazing athlete though not an amazing quarterback in the traditional sense. I would have loved to have seen him as a tailback or wide receiver if he hadn't been so criminally inclined that is. He was definately exciting to watch when running the ball though. :pirate:
 
Atlanta would have really had something if they would have Played Schaub at QB and let Vick run all over the place and every now and then throw the ball. Defenses would have been going squirly if they had done that.
 
edo783 said:
Atlanta would have really had something if they would have Played Schaub at QB and let Vick run all over the place and every now and then throw the ball. Defenses would have been going squirly if they had done that.
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I would like to have seen that, but one more ingredient was needed. It's been forever since we drafted an offensive lineman. A girl scout troop could run through our offensive line and it's hard for any quarterback to throw the ball lying on his back.
 
edo783 said:
Atlanta would have really had something if they would have Played Schaub at QB and let Vick run all over the place and every now and then throw the ball. Defenses would have been going squirly if they had done that.
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Can you imagine how much the flea-flicker, laterals & halfback passes could have scared the he11 outta the competition?

Oh well, the Mike Vick tour is on hold for at least 2 years...
 
Red_Zone said:
I would like to have seen that, but one more ingredient was needed. It's been forever since we drafted an offensive lineman. A girl scout troop could run through our offensive line and it's hard for any quarterback to throw the ball lying on his back.
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Picked up Justin Blalock in the 2nd round with the Texans' pick last year, but I'm guessing that you mean an OT.
 
bah007 said:
Picked up Justin Blalock in the 2nd round with the Texans' pick last year, but I'm guessing that you mean an OT.
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Yeah, forgot about Blalock but the main point is we just have not worked on protecting the QB. Even with Vick's running ability we only won 7 games last year. Until they addresss this situation any QB the Falcons bring in is going to spend a lot of time on the deck unless he CAN run like a Michael Vick.

The team is in shambles from ownership on down. I always thought (or hoped) that if we got rid of the Clampets (our pet name for the Smith family, previous owners of the Falcons) and got a new owner we'd be making progress. Blank's a good guy but exerts too much personal influence, he needs to put a strong football guy in the front office to run things and let him have free reign. Blank may know hardware but he don't know squat about football. It's very depressing to be a football fan in Georgia, if it weren't for the Bulldogs I'd go crazy. Actually I prefer college ball anyway but I could really get into it if the Falcons actually started having winning seasons, I mean of course more than one in a row.

The decision making process up at Swuanee defies common sense, if we have a winning season we fire the coach and if we have back to back wins the QB gets benched. Go figure.
 
Texan_Bill said:
LMAO!!! I was trying not to critique the letter itself, but the message and tone....
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I know, I know..couldn't resist. It had nice sentiments...I just don't know if we would have heard any of that if he never got caught. Easy to say the right thing when you are facing time. I hope he means it.
 
HoustonFrog said:
I know, I know..couldn't resist. It had nice sentiments...I just don't know if we would have heard any of that if he never got caught. Easy to say the right thing when you are facing time. I hope he means it.
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There wouldn't be a need to write a judge unless you have been caught, lol.

Well, old Benefit of the Doubt, speaking here. I will take him at his word unless he proves otherwise.
 
StarStruck said:
There wouldn't be a need to write a judge unless you have been caught, lol.

Well, old Benefit of the Doubt, speaking here. I will take him at his word unless he proves otherwise.
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Anyone can say anything when they are in a "controlled environment".............in this case, very controlled.......in jail.

I'm sorry, but didn't Vick "have a clue" when he was mischaracterizing the state charter of his "corporation"..........or after earlier arrests and jailing of former NFL player LeShon Johnson and National Basketball Association player Qyntel Woods..........and didn't he have a family and kids when he chose to play dogs.

It's easy to feel pain (your own) when you are "caught"...........But is Vick feeling the pain he has caused others, both animal and human?...............I personally think not........
 
StarStruck said:
There wouldn't be a need to write a judge unless you have been caught, lol.

Well, old Benefit of the Doubt, speaking here. I will take him at his word unless he proves otherwise.
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Exactly my point. Would you think the guy loves animals and dogs, as stated, and knew he was doing wrong if you had seen him before being caught?Its not that it is a letter to a judge I found interesting, its the sentiments and if a guy means them or is trying to spare himself. Again, they sounded nice. I never had a problem with him before. Just hard to look at the actions before all this and then believ the words.
 
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