rollinstone18
let it bleed
I think I'd rather have Mendenhall or Felix Jones than Stewart. Hopefully they all declare and we can trade down and pick one of them up.
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Draft a RB thread
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tulexan
Hall of Fame
To be honest, Stewart has not been impressive at all since Dixon's injury. I would stay away from him. I also don't want to hear that he is the focus of opposing defenses now and that is why he isn't doing as well because that hasn't stopped Kevin Smith or Matt Forte this season.
C
Ckw
Guest
I don't know why but I like Ray Rice. What do you guys think of him? He gets a knock cause he's only 5'9 but he's certainly a north-south runner.
stingray
Hall of Fame
I agree. Like him alot...
beerlover
Hall of Fame
regardless, its imminently clear & has been all season since Ahman Green left the game against the Colts (game 3) the #1 priority for the Texans is a gamebreaking RB that helps the OL & takes pressure off Schaub.
do you realize the Texans did not throw a single pass to a RB against the Browns? game planning because of limitation is not a formula for success
do you realize the Texans did not throw a single pass to a RB against the Browns? game planning because of limitation is not a formula for success
tulexan
Hall of Fame
regardless, its imminently clear & has been all season since Ahman Green left the game against the Colts (game 3) the #1 priority for the Texans is a gamebreaking RB that helps the OL & takes pressure off Schaub.
do you realize the Texans did not throw a single pass to a RB against the Browns? game planning because of limitation is not a formula for success
I agree that RB is arguably the most important position that we need to upgrade, but I am not convinced that it has to come from a first round pick. There are going to be some great/good backs available via free agency and this is one of the deepest RB drafts that I can remember in recent history. We have other needs that are harder to fill with elite talent later in the draft.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
1. class depth is dependant on the underclassman coming out early
2. Texans have failed to address RB with elite talent in 6 years
3. limited cap space in 08 (for someone like Michael Turner) to upgrade
tulexan
Hall of Fame
1. I realize that the depth depends on juniors coming out, but there are a lot of juniors who in all likelihood will come out because of their draft stock being as high as it's going to get and/or their team is going to be terrible next year and could potentially hurt their status by staying. Elite juniors also generally come out because of the short shelf life of the running back career and one injury could cost them millions (see Michael Bush) by staying an extra year.
2. That is somewhat misleading. Yes, they haven't gone after elite talent, but for a few of those years we had Domanick Davis/Williams who may not have been elite, but was sufficient and productive. While Kubiak has been coach, we were planning on drafting Reggie Bush his first year and thought that DD/DW was going to be healthy so we didn't go after a running back in free agency. Last offseason we gambled and lost with Ahman Green. I also don't believe there were many elite running backs available last season with the exception of Travis Henry and we saw how that has panned out for Denver.
3. I may be wrong, but I thought we have more than enough cap space to go after one big name like Turner (not saying that we will necessarily go after him). That being said, Turner is not the only free agent running back available this offseason.
2. That is somewhat misleading. Yes, they haven't gone after elite talent, but for a few of those years we had Domanick Davis/Williams who may not have been elite, but was sufficient and productive. While Kubiak has been coach, we were planning on drafting Reggie Bush his first year and thought that DD/DW was going to be healthy so we didn't go after a running back in free agency. Last offseason we gambled and lost with Ahman Green. I also don't believe there were many elite running backs available last season with the exception of Travis Henry and we saw how that has panned out for Denver.
3. I may be wrong, but I thought we have more than enough cap space to go after one big name like Turner (not saying that we will necessarily go after him). That being said, Turner is not the only free agent running back available this offseason.
Lets sign Fargas & draft Forte in the 4th or Hester in the 5th rd.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
You just spent twenty five per cent of your draft ammo on RBs. GL tring to find a CB who may have to tart three games in September, OLTto put Salaam back at swing tackle , a center and a speed rusher 4-3 end or an upgrade at LB with the other three. I mean Rb is a hole, but it's not the only hole they have on the club.
I believe that Stewart is the best fit ...but I also believe you're not going to see Robinson anytime soon. No offense to Kubes collection of patch guy DBs... but DB is our biggest hole now. Kevin Smith is so raw he just might fall into the third. The DBs who have the tallent to start right away, that there is a different animal.
I believe that Stewart is the best fit ...but I also believe you're not going to see Robinson anytime soon. No offense to Kubes collection of patch guy DBs... but DB is our biggest hole now. Kevin Smith is so raw he just might fall into the third. The DBs who have the tallent to start right away, that there is a different animal.
rollinstone18
let it bleed
I agree. Phillips, Malcolm Jenkins, or Talib Aqib would be a welcoming addition to our defense. Anyone else think Aqib can play safety if need be? But Kevin Smith, James Davis, and Mike Hart may all be available with our 3rd round pick.
I think I'd still rather trade down though.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
I'm always open to trading down especially when the Texans currently don't have a 2nd rd. pick. I'm always open to take bpa even over need, for instance taking a DT (Okoye) over a RB (Marshawn Lynch). Or hit the free agent market & make a big splash signing (Nate Clements).
the reality is they are not always easy or the prudent things to do. trade down if you can but don't get taken, draft bpa but not @ expense of addressing a huge need & don't morgtage the future when in 09 the Texans will be in position to make a realistic playoff run giving the flexability to address key position upgrades
how would the Texans be doing IF they had taken Marshawn Lynch instead of Amobi Okoye?
the reality is they are not always easy or the prudent things to do. trade down if you can but don't get taken, draft bpa but not @ expense of addressing a huge need & don't morgtage the future when in 09 the Texans will be in position to make a realistic playoff run giving the flexability to address key position upgrades
how would the Texans be doing IF they had taken Marshawn Lynch instead of Amobi Okoye?
ATX
Hall of Fame
What about younger free agents from the Chargers?
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
I don't want anyones castoffs or backups, especially at RB. The shelf life on a RB is so short, and the theoretical ability of our offensive scheme (not Shermans power blocking), should allow many young and inexperienced guys to step in and step up.
Yes, the offense will look amazing with a Portis, but it could still look good with a Travis Henery (who is not anywhere close to as good as his numbers with Denver would indicate). Yeah, it would be nice to score a McFadden or Stewart (not sold on Stewart yet personally), but it's not that bad to fall back onto a Rice, Jones, or even a Savage. Maybe even give guys like Forte a chance. Production and success breed production and success.
Yes, the offense will look amazing with a Portis, but it could still look good with a Travis Henery (who is not anywhere close to as good as his numbers with Denver would indicate). Yeah, it would be nice to score a McFadden or Stewart (not sold on Stewart yet personally), but it's not that bad to fall back onto a Rice, Jones, or even a Savage. Maybe even give guys like Forte a chance. Production and success breed production and success.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Well, in my book, the 1st, 3rd, and 4th round picks from this year need to be tied up in OL and secondary. Hell, with injuries to the secondary, we probably need at least two in the secondary now, despite Bennett's emergence as a legit player. That doesn't leave much room for RB.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Jones has not impressed me with last two games.
I would also like to sign Lance Briggs in free agency & let him rush the passer on 3rd downs.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
here is an interesting article - "Backfield help can come after the draft"
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7442652
the Texans have also employeed this approach with un-drafted RB's Darius Walker, Chris Taylor & late round pick Adimchinobi Echemandu (selected by the Browns in 7th rd. 208th pick). my question is this process giving the team enough tools to be successful? if the Texans could run the ball effectively, they could cut down on the turnovers, balance the attack & keep the defense fresh.
One challenge is identifying what to look for. The Broncos have successfully fingered running backs that fit the team's offensive system. Denver wants rushers who can read the offensive line's zone blocking, make a quick cut and accelerate up-field without dancing in the backfield waiting for holes to open.
Since coach Mike Shanahan's arrival in 1995, the Broncos have fielded 1,000-yard rushers in 11 of 12 seasons. None were first-round picks. The most prolific Terrell Davis wasn't chosen until the sixth round.
Broncos General Manager Ted Sundquist said his team places a heavy emphasis on scouting college all-star games that running backs projected as high picks tend to skip. Sundquist also pays extra attention to college reserves or starters with limited snaps like Young had until his senior season at Texas in 2006.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7442652
the Texans have also employeed this approach with un-drafted RB's Darius Walker, Chris Taylor & late round pick Adimchinobi Echemandu (selected by the Browns in 7th rd. 208th pick). my question is this process giving the team enough tools to be successful? if the Texans could run the ball effectively, they could cut down on the turnovers, balance the attack & keep the defense fresh.
One challenge is identifying what to look for. The Broncos have successfully fingered running backs that fit the team's offensive system. Denver wants rushers who can read the offensive line's zone blocking, make a quick cut and accelerate up-field without dancing in the backfield waiting for holes to open.
Since coach Mike Shanahan's arrival in 1995, the Broncos have fielded 1,000-yard rushers in 11 of 12 seasons. None were first-round picks. The most prolific Terrell Davis wasn't chosen until the sixth round.
Broncos General Manager Ted Sundquist said his team places a heavy emphasis on scouting college all-star games that running backs projected as high picks tend to skip. Sundquist also pays extra attention to college reserves or starters with limited snaps like Young had until his senior season at Texas in 2006.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
beerlover
Hall of Fame
enjoyable read once again threetoedpete.
I pulled the Denver reference because of its possible formulative influence on Rick Smith & Kubaik. have no problem with it until we get to a point like we finally have this year. its costing us turnovers big time which is a major reason we've lost games that where winnable. backs fumbling, risk reward passing game while teams know this, stack the box & sit back in coverage waiting to pick off the under/over throw or dislodge the ball with bone breaking hits. its much easier to control the clock & the turnover battle by running the ball, playing solid defense & good special teams, I think at this point thats what we should be doing.
take the bpa in the 1st rd. then use the 2nd day picks to address need. it remains to be seen who will be the consensus bpa when the Texans select could be a cb, ot, rb or lb I just give a nudge to anything that inspires the running game to be more effective, heck maybe a franchise Center & rehab the RB's already on the roster
I pulled the Denver reference because of its possible formulative influence on Rick Smith & Kubaik. have no problem with it until we get to a point like we finally have this year. its costing us turnovers big time which is a major reason we've lost games that where winnable. backs fumbling, risk reward passing game while teams know this, stack the box & sit back in coverage waiting to pick off the under/over throw or dislodge the ball with bone breaking hits. its much easier to control the clock & the turnover battle by running the ball, playing solid defense & good special teams, I think at this point thats what we should be doing.
take the bpa in the 1st rd. then use the 2nd day picks to address need. it remains to be seen who will be the consensus bpa when the Texans select could be a cb, ot, rb or lb I just give a nudge to anything that inspires the running game to be more effective, heck maybe a franchise Center & rehab the RB's already on the roster
PapaL
Loose Screw
What is this guy writing? They fingered running backs? Ummm - How about the found? Fingering is well....another topic for another type board.
It's a great theory - as long as the OL is consistent.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Teams that win championships always have 1st round RBs, with the exception of the Steelers and Broncos. Nothing makes up for a stud RB, and this draft is stacked with them.
Don't see Hart being much in the NFL
Don't see Hart being much in the NFL
Boris
All Pro
my ultimate would be a big rb who punishes. I'd be willing to concede breakaway speed & jukes as long as big rb has light feet & enthusiasm.
that said, who should i adopt for this upcoming draft? previously hoped for Michael Bush, LenDale White, TJ Duckett (not saying i'm a genius).... basically any big back
i read about Tulane RB Matt Forte, SI referenced his good feet. Any names you could throw my way so that i can enjoy reading up on them?
that said, who should i adopt for this upcoming draft? previously hoped for Michael Bush, LenDale White, TJ Duckett (not saying i'm a genius).... basically any big back
i read about Tulane RB Matt Forte, SI referenced his good feet. Any names you could throw my way so that i can enjoy reading up on them?
PapaL
Loose Screw
Ray Rice, nevermind he's not big at all.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
I'll keep working on this next week apple pie, I can think of six. How many do ya need ?
and the Washington Redskins( Timmy Smith), Denver Broncos ( Terrell Davis 6th)...the Green Bay Packers ( Ellijh Pitts 13th and John Taylor), the New York Football Giants ...Jets (Emerson Boozer 6th),
the minneasoda vikings....the San Fransico 49ers. the Oakland Raiders( Pete Banazack 5th)....the Kansas City Cheifs ( Mike Garrett 2nd).... not sure where czonka got drafted...
My bad chuck foreman was a first rounder. could of swore he was a day two guy. Gotta check the raiders guys as well.
There is one stud 30 carry a game back in this draft. Only one.
I'm sure Forte will be on their board. I like RR also...not in the first, but I like him.
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Extras/2007/positionrptRB.htm
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
bah007
Hall of Fame
I know he's a beast.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Chris Johnson, ECU: 5-11, 195
208 carries for 1200 yds. (5.8 avg), 16 TDs.
34 rec. for 496 yds. (14.6 avg), 5 TDs.
30 KRs for 856 yds. (28.5 avg), 1 TD.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Hillis would be a monster at FB in our system. A good 5th round pick that will pay off for years
beerlover
Hall of Fame
I would be willing to trade down in the 4th like Rick did last year when he selected Bennett & move up a little to take Hillis, your excatly right he would be a good fit for this system, blocking, rushing, recieving & special teams
What I like to know is how he runs between tackles. In this last game, he did that well, but I don't know about other games he played. I did watch the Houston game as well, and he did well, but UH dosen't have a good defense.
I understand that he had turf-toe problem at the beginning of the year.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
The thing with RBs is they take such a beating that they tend to wear out quickly . That is unless they have a really good OL .
I'm of the mind that we're on borrowed time with the OL and DBs . The problem is , two of the things that are hardest to find are a good CB and a good LT .
Who was the last free agent LT that left their team to break the bank . Look what Nate Clements got from the Niners . Look what the Niners gave up to draft Joe Staley ... ouch .
I'm of the mind that we're on borrowed time with the OL and DBs . The problem is , two of the things that are hardest to find are a good CB and a good LT .
Who was the last free agent LT that left their team to break the bank . Look what Nate Clements got from the Niners . Look what the Niners gave up to draft Joe Staley ... ouch .
Can we afford another FB on our roster at this time?I would be willing to trade down in the 4th like Rick did last year when he selected Bennett & move up a little to take Hillis, your excatly right he would be a good fit for this system, blocking, rushing, recieving & special teams
Can we get anything for Leach or Cook?
Do we really want to trade away Leach?
bah007
Hall of Fame
FBs dont really have any trade value anymore.
I would agree with either a LT or a RB in the first.
Everything will depend on how it goes during the offseason. Right now, we're just speculating on all the positions.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Higher grade LT in 1st with good grade RBs in 2nd and 3rd. IMO.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
I'm posting this as a reference to who might be there and a ballpark figure to where they're ranked .
http://www.gbnreport.com/top100.html
Oh yeah ... let's get a sharpie and mark out DL and QBs .
http://www.gbnreport.com/top100.html
Oh yeah ... let's get a sharpie and mark out DL and QBs .
painekiller
All Pro
He runs a real 4.3, and has some size, I would love the kid if he has any ball skills. (meaning I have not seen him play only reports on him, so i do not know his balls skills).
I'll have to say that he looks really, really good in this game. I didn't even know about him before even though he played well against the Cougars (another game that I watched). I figure, the Coogs' D is not good at all, so I din't really pay attention. Well, the Greenwaves' D is not any better I don't think.
Still, he caught my eyes on several occasions.
Looks strong up the middle.
One time he drag a couple of guys, I think there was a LB as well, and only a third guy that brought him down.
Made a couple of good blocks in the backfield.
Looks smooth catching the ball.
Good vision, good cut and go, no dancing.
The lines, of course, was very good:
C. Johnson, RB
27 Rush, 155 yds, 2 TDs
4 Rec, 85 yds, 1 TD
But again, it may be just one game in which he's in a zone.
painekiller
All Pro
That is the kind of lines he ahas had this season. And did I say he could fly? He is going to need to add a bit of bulk to himself, but he is the kinda back we need. Plus is is not being listed as a 1st round guy, so he is gettable .
tulexan
Hall of Fame
beerlover
Hall of Fame
I've had this feeling awhile that Stewart is not the type to declare early, loves school & will be much better prepared next year to fight for the #1 ranked RB taken in the draft over Felix Jones & Ian Johnson.
Bellotti was asked about Jonathan Stewart potentially leaving after this season for the NFL. As he has said before, Bellotti thinks its most likely that Stewart will be back for his senior season, based on his conversations with Stewart.
http://ducksportsnews.com/
Bellotti was asked about Jonathan Stewart potentially leaving after this season for the NFL. As he has said before, Bellotti thinks its most likely that Stewart will be back for his senior season, based on his conversations with Stewart.
http://ducksportsnews.com/
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Ian Johnon has put his paper work in. I don't like the size. But I do like the production and the fact that he played hurt this season. Not advocting him for day one at all, but if he drops into their laps day two....
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
I think Slaton would be a better fit in our system than Stewart anyways. A great ZBS back that is a clone of Portis. He could be had in a trade down too