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BCS Nightmare

TexanSam

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Because I absolutely hate the BCS, I'm hoping for a nightmare scenario where the most amount of teams will cry foul.

I hope Missouri loses to Oklahoma and West Virginia loses to Pitt that way a Georgia team that didn't even win the SEC East, much less the SEC itself, plays Ohio State in the National Championship. I'm sure there would be some sort of huge outcry by multiple teams if this scenario took place, but I doubt it would cause any change in this stupid system. One can always hope though
 
That would actually be crazy and very possible seeing how unimpressive West Virginia has been and just how crazy everything this season has been in general.
 
BTW, BCS bowl question.

My dad says GA gets the BCS SEC Bowl Bid because they're the highest SEC BCS team. I disagree. Isn't it the SEC champ regardless of BCS ranking?
 
It's kind of an idle hope, because the BCS is already a debacle, but I too hope for the worst. I hate college football with a passion. Until they get a playoff system, I only tune in to root for a BCS collapse (and occasional player scouting). If they ever get a playoff system, I'll tune in.
 
I'm pretty sure they instituted a rule that states a team has to win their conference or they are not eligible for the BCS national championship.
 
jaayteetx said:
I'm pretty sure they instituted a rule that states a team has to win their conference or they are not eligible for the BCS national championship.
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Then how did Oklahoma play LSU in the National Championship after losing to K State in the Big 12 championship?
 
lol, the BCS is made for seasons like this. it's supposed to determine who are the two best teams, and when there are a bunch of contenders, thank god for the BCS so we can know who are the two best. :) love that BCS.<3

and i love that no matter how much everyone complains, they're still going to make a ton of money and they're never changing. ahh. :)
 
The best scenario for a playoff was averted. Boston College and South Florida would have broke the camels back. As is, Mizzoo and W. Virginia may do that anyway.
 
yes they never instituted the rule. for good reason. it's possible that a team from a conference that doesn't play a championship could be considered the best team in the country and still not win their conference. let's say in the Big 10, where (for example) Illinois and Ohio State have the two best records. let's assume they don't play each other this year. Ohio State has one early conference loss, and Illinois runs the table in the conference, but lost 3 games out of conference. Illinois is in the Rose Bowl and Ohio State is left out of the championship. not the most likely scenario but it's certainly possible.
 
Ironically enough (and maybe this is a completely ESPN generated story) the Big 12 and SEC are complainig about their conference championships.

Hmmmm, greed (I think it is safe to assume these games weren't instituted solely for the glory of the conference!) coming back to bite you?

And don't say NEVER change Kast, just SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWLY change, lol. Too many contracts and sponsors for anything other than baby steps, in whatever direction the BCS is headed.
 
Every other football division including D1 FCS has Playoffs. It's a couple big wigs who want their teams in the BCS games every year and for the money. Until they have a 16 team playoff who knows who the best team is.
 
kastofsna said:
lol, the BCS is made for seasons like this. it's supposed to determine who are the two best teams, and when there are a bunch of contenders, thank god for the BCS so we can know who are the two best. :) love that BCS.<3

and i love that no matter how much everyone complains, they're still going to make a ton of money and they're never changing. ahh. :)
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Kas I understand your perspective as I have read 3 or 4 posts of yours talking about the BCS as a good system. I just don't understand how WVU can be #2 and Ohio State can be behind them. Honestly, the only reason I see for it is that WVU lost in the beginning of the season and Ohio State lost at the end of the season. That's what seems to determine the #1 and #2 at the end of the season. I just don't think that's how it should be.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Kas I understand your perspective as I have read 3 or 4 posts of yours talking about the BCS as a good system. I just don't understand how WVU can be #2 and Ohio State can be behind them. Honestly, the only reason I see for it is that WVU lost in the beginning of the season and Ohio State lost at the end of the season. That's what seems to determine the #1 and #2 at the end of the season. I just don't think that's how it should be.
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Losing late hurts you, Kansas at 11-1 dropped completely out of the national title picture, while 11-1 teams who had an early loss are now ahead of them, not to mention Kansas lost to then #4, now #1.
 
It's also how Michigan managed to climb back into the rankings until Ohio State. They lost early, to a subdivision school, and then lost the next week as well, but after a fairly solid stretch, they climbed back into the top 25. If this had happened mid-season instead of the first two games, Michigan would never have had a chance to climb. Period.
 
One reason I am glad that Hawaii is still undefeated and that their last win was against a top 20 team is that it points out the hypocrisy of the BCS. The BCS is only set up for a few elitist schools. The little dog never has a chance like in every other major college sport.

Go June Jones and the Rainbow Warriors.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
Losing late hurts you, Kansas at 11-1 dropped completely out of the national title picture, while 11-1 teams who had an early loss are now ahead of them, not to mention Kansas lost to then #4, now #1.
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Exactly. This in itself is enough for a playoff system IMO. It just doesn't make any logical sense. "What have you done for me lately" comes to mind.
 
TexanSam said:
Because I absolutely hate the BCS, I'm hoping for a nightmare scenario where the most amount of teams will cry foul.

I hope Missouri loses to Oklahoma and West Virginia loses to Pitt that way a Georgia team that didn't even win the SEC East, much less the SEC itself, plays Ohio State in the National Championship. I'm sure there would be some sort of huge outcry by multiple teams if this scenario took place, but I doubt it would cause any change in this stupid system. One can always hope though
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Its funny I spent the better part of Saturday afternoon rooting like hell for Kentucky to beat Tennessee so Georgia could go to the SEC title game and now it actually turns out better for Georgia to NOT be playing for the SEC.

What a system!
 
TexansSeminole said:
Kas I understand your perspective as I have read 3 or 4 posts of yours talking about the BCS as a good system. I just don't understand how WVU can be #2 and Ohio State can be behind them. Honestly, the only reason I see for it is that WVU lost in the beginning of the season and Ohio State lost at the end of the season. That's what seems to determine the #1 and #2 at the end of the season. I just don't think that's how it should be.
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just think about it, you'll get more of a pass on you when you lose the games that aren't as "important" game-time early in the season compared to late in the season.

it's like a playoff. it's almost like last man standing.

BTW, the computers themselves don't care at all about when you lose.
 
kastofsna said:
just think about it, you'll get more of a pass on you when you lose the games that aren't as "important" game-time early in the season compared to late in the season.

it's like a playoff. it's almost like last man standing.

BTW, the computers themselves don't care at all about when you lose.
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Touche. Only the voters.
 
How does this not SCREAM for a playoff - Herbstreet, and most of America, think WV v. Mizzou is crap.

If OSU beats WV in a title game, it's crap.

OSU is "better" off playing USC in the Rose Bowl because it would give us legitimacy (thank God we play USC for the next 2 years so I don't have to listen to "legitimacy" gripes any more).

Sooooo.... In the current system the national title game has no legitimacy? (I mostly agree with that, too - but screw that, I'd rather notch another national title on the bed post than be "legitimate").
 
Lower levels of college football have playoff systems. College baseball has a playoff system. College basketball has a playoff system. College lacrosse has a playoff system. Hockey at all levels has a playoff system. Professional football, basketball, and baseball have playoff systems. Soccer has a playoff system, for ******** sake. Team sports in the Olympics are decided by a playoff system.

But the BCS is different. They must be right.
 
eriadoc said:
Lower levels of college football have playoff systems. College baseball has a playoff system. College basketball has a playoff system. College lacrosse has a playoff system. Hockey at all levels has a playoff system. Professional football, basketball, and baseball have playoff systems. Soccer has a playoff system, for ******** sake. Team sports in the Olympics are decided by a playoff system.

But the BCS is different. They must be right.
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nice one :sarcasm:
 
eriadoc said:
Lower levels of college football have playoff systems. College baseball has a playoff system. College basketball has a playoff system. College lacrosse has a playoff system. Hockey at all levels has a playoff system. Professional football, basketball, and baseball have playoff systems. Soccer has a playoff system, for ******** sake. Team sports in the Olympics are decided by a playoff system.

But the BCS is different. They must be right.
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Maybe they want to be different.

College football is DIFFERENT than pro football and thats why people love it.

I have no problem with the current system other than that the Harris poll should be replaced by the AP poll. Media is biased, but they also watch more games.
 
bah007 said:
Maybe they want to be different.

College football is DIFFERENT than pro football and thats why people love it.

I have no problem with the current system other than that the Harris poll should be replaced by the AP poll. Media is biased, but they also watch more games.
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College football is different for a lot of very valid reasons, ranging from the academic component, to rules differences, to a hundred other reasons. The lack of a playoff system is not a good way to be different, if that's what they were aiming for (it wasn't; it's just money). There are good things about college football and its differences - subjectivity in the decision for a champion is not one of them.
 
eriadoc said:
College football is different for a lot of very valid reasons, ranging from the academic component, to rules differences, to a hundred other reasons. The lack of a playoff system is not a good way to be different, if that's what they were aiming for (it wasn't; it's just money). There are good things about college football and its differences - subjectivity in the decision for a champion is not one of them.
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Glad someone understands this; & now since 1 & 2 lost again this week, the computers should just about be ready to blow up.
 
TexanSam said:
My dream/nightmare came true!!
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My dream did, too.

Nothing like beating out the Texas Schools at Howl at the Moon to "win" the bar for the night (i.e. we paid more money than the othger schools to have an OSU song played).

Sadly, they didn't have an OSU penant to hang unlike the other schools.

We got booed by random people all night, it was great :)
 
Yankee_In_TX said:
My dream did, too.

Nothing like beating out the Texas Schools at Howl at the Moon to "win" the bar for the night (i.e. we paid more money than the othger schools to have an OSU song played).

Sadly, they didn't have an OSU penant to hang unlike the other schools.

We got booed by random people all night, it was great :)
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I did not realize you could hear me all the way there Yankee I will try and keep it down next time. :specnatz:
 
Colt Brennan threw a 5-yard touchdown pass to Ryan Grice-Mullen with 44 seconds left and No. 11 Hawaii overcame a 21-point deficit to beat Washington 35-28 on Saturday night to finish the regular season 12-0 and virtually assure a BCS berth.
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another undefeated
 
Wolf said:
another undefeated
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Put Hawaii in the championship. You can argue that they played nobody, but they didn't lose to anyone.

BCS is rediculous if they don't put these guys in the championship game. It's not even something I would like to see, it just seems fair, and unfair if they don't.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Put Hawaii in the championship. You can argue that they played nobody, but they didn't lose to anyone.

BCS is rediculous if they don't put these guys in the championship game. It's not even something I would like to see, it just seems fair, and unfair if they don't.
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exactly, like you said, who's to say if they would or couldn't win.. never know until ncaa 2009 comes out :specnatz:
 
TexansSeminole said:
Put Hawaii in the championship. You can argue that they played nobody, but they didn't lose to anyone.

BCS is rediculous if they don't put these guys in the championship game. It's not even something I would like to see, it just seems fair, and unfair if they don't.
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Agreed. Kansas played one of the easiest schedules in the country then lost their first true test. Yet they still made it all the way up to #2 in the country. Why doesn't Hawaii deserve that same chance?
 
TexanSam said:
Agreed. Kansas played one of the easiest schedules in the country then lost their first true test. Yet they still made it all the way up to #2 in the country. Why doesn't Hawaii deserve that same chance?
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To be honest the reason is becuase they are not in a power conference. The BCS is basically put in so that non power conference teams have to play out of their mind to get a BCS invite and Power conference schools like Ohio State or LSU can lose a couple of games and still compete for the Natl championship.
 
looks like LSU and Ohio State are going to play for the title. i pretty much labeled them the two best teams in the country a month ago. it all works out in the end. :)
 
kastofsna said:
looks like LSU and Ohio State are going to play for the title. i pretty much labeled them the two best teams in the country a month ago. it all works out in the end. :)
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There's 2 teams with 1 loss and 1 team with ZERO losses, and only one of those 3 will play for the title, and it's not the ZERO loss team.

Not to mention the fact that Missouri was ranked #1 before they had to play the EXTRA conference title game, while Ohio State doesn't have to play that EXTRA game and has sat at home for 2 weeks and slides in to the 1 hole.

NOT TO MENTION you've got (10) 2 loss teams and you're going to pass up the undefeated team, one of the 2 one loss teams, and pick ONE of those 10 2 loss teams to play for the title, while the other 9 get left out.

Yeah, that worked out real well.:rolleyes:

DEATH TO THE BCS ALREADY!!!!
 
The BCS can not work because college football is an unbalanced sport. Most of the top teams play more home games than road games. LSU had 8 home games and 5 road games, if you can count the game in New Orleans against Tulane as a road game. Ohio State had 7 home games and 5 road games.

The top teams always schedule cupcakes to blow-out to pad their stats and impress the computers.

The BCS conferences have a monopoly on the money and bowls. A team like Hawaii will never win a national championship even if they win their next 100 games.

A play-off system seems fair, but the BCS conferences will never permit it. There is just too much for them to lose.
 
kastofsna said:
looks like LSU and Ohio State are going to play for the title. i pretty much labeled them the two best teams in the country a month ago. it all works out in the end. :)
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No it doesn't, a loss is a loss & they should count the same across the board for everyone IMO. I don't care that they play in the toughest conference so thereby their losses count somewhat differently; that's the price you pay for being in a power conference & having a better chance to play for a NC, as opposed to say a Hawaii or boise state. you shouldn't be rewarded for it. plus they lost late in the season & they barely beat a mediocore Tennessee team to win their conference. Plus, Arkansas wasn't ranked when they beat them just last week& they've looked fairly average since beating Va tech earlier this year. How's that any different from Oklahoma losing to Texas Tech? If u learned anything from this year's season, last year's NC game, the boise state game & countless upsets during march madness, it tells u that in college sports anything can happen.

In pro sports, sometimes you hear analysts & coaches talk about teams playing their best ball down the stretch, that's also true of college teams as well. With this system, they cheat fans as well as those teams who might not have gotten off to the best of starts but came together late towards the end of the season. Instead they have ESPN know-it-alls beating their drums (herbstreit & co.) & all these different garbage polls taking the temperature of who everyone else thinks should play & then manipulate this BCS trash to show who they've picked. Teams like Georgia who play in the same conference have the same amount of losses, were ranked higher than LSU before the SEC championship game have been on a roll since losing to tenn in early October. Ditto for Va Tech who also have the same amount of losses & won their conference. Why LSU over these 2 or any other 2 loss team for that matter? :rant:
 
Mr teX said:
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No it doesn't, a loss is a loss & they should count the same across the board for everyone IMO. I don't care that they play in the toughest conference so thereby their losses count somewhat differently; that's the price you pay for being in a power conference & having a better chance to play for a NC, as opposed to say a Hawaii or boise state. you shouldn't be rewarded for it. plus they lost late in the season & they barely beat a mediocore Tennessee team to win their conference. Plus, Arkansas wasn't ranked when they beat them just last week& they've looked fairly average since beating Va tech earlier this year. How's that any different from Oklahoma losing to Texas Tech? If u learned anything from this year's season, last year's NC game, the boise state game & countless upsets during march madness, it tells u that in college sports anything can happen.

In pro sports, sometimes you hear analysts & coaches talk about teams playing their best ball down the stretch, that's also true of college teams as well. With this system, they cheat fans as well as those teams who might not have gotten off to the best of starts but came together late towards the end of the season. Instead they have ESPN know-it-alls beating their drums (herbstreit & co.) & all these different garbage polls taking the temperature of who everyone else thinks should play & then manipulate this BCS trash to show who they've picked. Teams like Georgia who play in the same conference have the same amount of losses, were ranked higher than LSU before the SEC championship game have been on a roll since losing to tenn in early October. Ditto for Va Tech who also have the same amount of losses & won their conference. Why LSU over these 2 or any other 2 loss team for that matter? :rant:
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I hear ya, but for what the "experts" on tv wanted to see at the beginning of the season, so they made it happen.. I personally wish something could be done, but all I can hope for is low bowl ratings due to this mess and they get a legit playoff (won't happen but I can dream)...
 
gwallaia said:
The BCS can not work because college football is an unbalanced sport. Most of the top teams play more home games than road games. LSU had 8 home games and 5 road games, if you can count the game in New Orleans against Tulane as a road game. Ohio State had 7 home games and 5 road games.

The top teams always schedule cupcakes to blow-out to pad their stats and impress the computers.
The BCS conferences have a monopoly on the money and bowls. A team like Hawaii will never win a national championship even if they win their next 100 games.

A play-off system seems fair, but the BCS conferences will never permit it. There is just too much for them to lose.
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That's another thing, it ticks me off why it's ok for the big time teams in supposed power conferences to schedule cupcakes b/c they play in a tough conference but teams who play in middle teir conferences can't do that or all of a sudden "they haven't played anybody..". Or what's more is, they back out of contracts b/c their is a slight possibility they might get a decent game out of that cupcake & it messes up the "wow" factor of the win, kinda like what Michigan did so they could put app. state on their schedule. I couldn't be more estatic that that happened to them this year.

Not all of these teams in BCS conferences are what you would call NC contenders, examples include the baylors, iowa states kansas & k-states of the CFB community. Instead of 4 probable cupcakes you have at least 2-3 more within your own conference, helping to pad your stats for the rankings.
 
I'm sorry I think that lsu doesnt deserve to be in the nt. I mean how many shots are they going to keep giving these guys and if they do make it into the nt I hope that they get burned bad by osu.
 
LonerATO said:
I'm sorry I think that lsu doesnt deserve to be in the nt. I mean how many shots are they going to keep giving these guys and if they do make it into the nt I hope that they get burned bad by osu.
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They lost two overtime games. They beat some good teams pretty decisively. Virginia Tech, they beat them 48-7 in the beginning of the season. They are a damn good football team, as their coach says.
 
Here's an interesting article that summarizes many of my feelings.

What's it all mean? Utter chaos and uncertainty today, that's what. We now have no less than seven (or could it be as many as eight or nine?) teams with a legitimate argument that they should play for the national championship. Here are the contestants in this glorified beauty contest:

But it won't happen. The financial folks with a vested interest in the present system won't budge, so don't expect an exciting, national championship, I-A football tournament anytime soon. Just because it works incredibly well in Division I-AA makes no difference to these folks. They'll argue it takes too long, it interferes with exams at the schools (it wouldn't have to) or it's just not practical. Whatever. Instead we've got this unprecedented big and ugly mess this season, which can't possibly be resolved to the satisfaction of anybody but two pretty lucky teams and their fan bases.

http://www.spmsportspage.com/published/spmfeatures/bcs-sweepstakes-national-.shtml
 
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