Draft Priorities

[YoungTexanFan]

Was DT a more pressing need that FS or CB last year? Was DT a more pressing need than reciever ?

I'd rather not pass on a potential all-pro type player at OLB to reach for a DB in a class that is DB thin...

If DB is such a big weakness then we need to spend big bucks to bring someone in F/agency...We will have the money to do it...

1st round/early second round talent CB's: Cason, Talib, King, Jenkins, Dribble, Dwight Lowery, Mike Jenkins, Terrell Thomas, and potentially Cromitare from Mid Tenn St. I believe.

1st/early second round S's: Kenny Phillips, Reggie Smith, Jonathan Hefney

Don't tell me this class is thin at DB. Study the class some. This is the deepest DB class we have seen in years.

Landing any of these guys at our position (I'm projecting picking between 14-19) is not reaching at all, and help out at our weakest spots: Cason, King, Jenkins, Dribble, Phillips, Smith. Any of those guys presents great value at our greatest position of need.

 

[real]

Don't tell me this class is thin at DB. Study the class some. This is the deepest DB class we have seen in years.

"Studying" draft classes is quite lame.... and...well.....useless...


I think I'll continue to watch the games and feel things out for myself.


But thanks for the advice.


Edit: LOL...I just looked at your list of "1st and 2nd round DB's".....oh man...good times...

 

[YoungTexanFan]

"Studying" draft classes is quite lame.... and...well.....useless...


I think I'll continue to watch the games and feel things out for myself.


But thanks for the advice.


Edit: LOL...I just looked at your list of "1st and 2nd round DB's".....oh man...good times...

1st round/early second round talent CB's:
Cason - A easy first round projection right now.
Talib - Great size, production, and ability. Mid 1st rounder as of now
King - The best pure cover corner. Could be first CB taken
Jenkins - Good cover CB, good school, late first rounder
Dribble - Pretty NFL ready, late first/early second
Dwight Lowery - project with great measurables. second rounder
Mike Jenkins - very solid CB, early to mid second rounder
Terrell Thomas - only thing keeping him from first round is timed speed.
Cromitare - incredible measurables, but major project. second rounder

1st/early second round S's:
Kenny Phillips - the next great S from the U. Top 10 pick.
Reggie Smith - underrated, but a solid second rounder
Jonathan Hefney - Mid second rounder

 

[YoungTexanFan]

"Studying" draft classes is quite lame.... and...well.....useless...


I think I'll continue to watch the games and feel things out for myself.


But thanks for the advice.


Edit: LOL...I just looked at your list of "1st and 2nd round DB's".....oh man...good times...

Also, studying the draft class involves watchin an incredible amount of game film, over and over agian. And no, studying the prospects and grading them based on evaluations from games and testing is not lame, it is professional. My reputation for evaluating prospects well ahead of time is very good, check some of the archives.

 

[kastofsna]

why bother talking to real, he'll have his own ignorant opinion, then call you a loser for knowing more than the average fan should know. yawn, waste of time.

 

[real]

why bother talking to real, he'll have his own ignorant opinion, then call you a loser for knowing more than the average fan should know. yawn, waste of time.

Signed,






The self proclaimed "Draft expert"


LOL....

 

[beerlover]

y'all have valid points that need to be taken as solid opinions, track records only are as good as tomorrow but both Kastofsna & YTF are very passionate about their love for the NFL draft process & its farm system, the NCAA. even if I don't agree with them I'll stop & read everytime because they usually have a good reason/take 99% of this board would be wise to heed

 

[real]

Also, studying the draft class involves watchin an incredible amount of game film, over and over agian. And no, studying the prospects and grading them based on evaluations from games and testing is not lame, it is professional. My reputation for evaluating prospects well ahead of time is very good, check some of the archives.

Here's a dandy from '06:

As far as LB's are concerned...Ryans is a great LB, but he is not big enough to handle the Mike spot. He is better off on the strongside at Sam. I know he played Will in college, but I think his instincts will lead better to Sam. I feel that a stud MLB like H. Blades or Polznuezy or my favorite Buster Davis, would really help our defense out the most. Greenwood is gone after this year I believe, Wong's contract is up I believe as well.

I found others that were funny too. Won't post them because there is no need.

We are all wrong from time to time. Honestly, there isn't one person I've read who I would say has been 100% on their "predictions". I don't know about your track record, but I know you have a lot of post like that and a lot of post that I just totally disagree with. I probably have a lot of them as well....We all probably do. No biggie.

But I'll tell you one thing...I said Buster Davis would flop coming into the NFL...Check on that...

 

[YoungTexanFan]

Here's a dandy from '06:



I found others that were funny too. Won't post them because there is no need.

We are all wrong from time to time. Honestly, there isn't one person I've read who I would say has been 100% on their "predictions". I don't know about your track record, but I know you have a lot of post like that and a lot of post that I just totally disagree with. I probably have a lot of them as well....We all probably do. No biggie.

But I'll tell you one thing...I said Buster Davis would flop coming into the NFL...Check on that...

And I still feel Ryans would be better on the outside if we had a better MLB. Upgrade two positions. Ryans has proven to do well at MIKE, but I could still project him to the outside.

 

[real]

And I still feel Ryans would be better on the outside if we had a better MLB. Upgrade two positions. Ryans has proven to do well at MIKE, but I could still project him to the outside.

Great. Ignore the huge elephant in the room.

It's late I'm going to sleep. Keep studying that film though.

 

[threetoedpete]

Was DT a more pressing need that FS or CB last year? Was DT a more pressing need than reciever ?

I'd rather not pass on a potential all-pro type player at OLB to reach for a DB in a class that is DB thin...

If DB is such a big weakness then we need to spend big bucks to bring someone in F/agency...We will have the money to do it...

This is what I'm thinking also. I watched Demps who is suposed to be a prospect at free saftey from UTEP. However I was not impressed. So You got a board loooooaded with linebackers and o-lineman and running backs....small running backs. But few Free safties at the top of the board. Here they are knock you self out finding someone who'll beat out C.C. Brown.

http://www.gbnreport.com/2008prospects.html

*Kenny Phillips, 6-1, 205, Miami
Quintin Demps, 6-0, 205, UTEP
*Nic Harris, 6-2, 225, Oklahoma
Josh Barrett, 6-2, 230, Arizona State
Roger Williams, 6-0, 200, Florida State
Eric Weeks, 6-0, 205, West Virginia
Tyrrell Herbert, 6-1, 190, Toledo
Dom Barber, 6-0, 210, Minnesota
Ron Girault, 5-11, 200, Rutgers
Jonathan Hefney, 5-9, 185, Tennessee(CB)
Charles Godfrey, 6-0, 210, Iowa (CB)
Marcus Watts, 6-1, 185, Kansas State
Khayyam Burns, 6-0, 185, Arkansas State
Quinton Gooch, 6-0, 195, BYU
Ryan Mundy, 6-0, 205, West Virginia
Darien Williams, 5-11, 200, Oklahoma
Husain Abdullah, 6-0, 180, Washington State
Steve Tate, 5-11, 200, Utah
Dennis Keyes, 6-1, 195, UCLA
Jamie Silva, 5-11, 205, Boston College
Jamal Lewis, 6-0, 200, Georgia Tech
Damon Nickson, 5-11, 180, Middle Tennessee State (CB)
Will Dunbar, 6-0, 195, Alabama-Birmingham
Marcus Carter, 5-11, 200, Alabama
Tierre Green, 6-0, 200, Nebraska
Mchael Grant, 5-11, 185, Arkansas (CB)
Bobby Giannini, 6-1, 210, Air Force
Ray Bass, 5-11, 195, San Diego State
Kevin Mitchell, 5-11, 200, Illinois
Kyle Jackson, 6-0, 205, Florida
Thomas DeCoud, 6-2, 195, California
Marcus Watts, 6-0, 190, Kansas State (XHp/Wr)
Taheem Acevedo, 6-0, 220, Florida Atlantic (XAn)
Joe Fields, 6-1, 210, Syracuse
Marty Tadman, 5-10, 185, Boise State
Reggie McPherson, 6-0, 200, Northwestern
Kareem Byron, 5-10, 200, Buffalo
Eddie Burk, 5-10, 202, Ball State
D.J. Parker, 5-10, 195, Virginia Tech
Antwain Allen, 6-1, 215, Western Michigan
Mike Phillips, 5-10, 200, Pittsburgh
LeVance Richmond, 5-11, 195, Southern Mississippi
Tony Ward, 5-11, 200, Ohio
Justin Sanders, 6-0, 205, Illinois
Chris Smith, 5-9, 180, Idaho
Joseph Gonzales, 5-10, 200, Houston
Ryan Depalo, 6-0, 205, Oregon
Chris Parsons, 6-0, 185, Northern Iowa
Brett Shlton, 6-0, 205, Sacramento State
Jamarcus Wiggins, 6-1, 205, Delta State
Joe Gaston, 5-10, 195, Georgia Tech (XKa)

 

[real]

I can't believe we agreed on something.wow.

 

[Ole Miss Texan]

1st round/early second round talent CB's:
Cason - A easy first round projection right now.
Talib - Great size, production, and ability. Mid 1st rounder as of now
King - The best pure cover corner. Could be first CB taken
Jenkins - Good cover CB, good school, late first rounder
Dribble - Pretty NFL ready, late first/early second
Dwight Lowery - project with great measurables. second rounder
Mike Jenkins - very solid CB, early to mid second rounder
Terrell Thomas - only thing keeping him from first round is timed speed.
Cromitare - incredible measurables, but major project. second rounder

1st/early second round S's:
Kenny Phillips - the next great S from the U. Top 10 pick.
Reggie Smith - underrated, but a solid second rounder
Jonathan Hefney - Mid second rounder

Thanks for detailing what each of their strengths are. This will help me watch them. If we go CB in the 1st round, we better as heck get a guy who will start game 1, I don't want a project cb because that's what Bennet might be. I like Bennets size and think if he develops he could be real good for us.

We'll see how things change over the season, but thanks for the early projection on rounds. Of course there are going to be guys from this list that flop and other guys that come on strong. After pure speculation at this point by me, it could be wise to trade down, recoup a pick or two, select a solid player to play FS. That of course is if there is not decent LT or RB or even DB to select at our orig. spot.


As far as Demeco goes... This is a big debate that really doesn't matter. I was a HUGE fan of drafting Patrick Willis to play Mike and moving Demeco outside. I got slammed for this. Demeco has played extremely well at mike. His size doesn't seem to be a factor one bit now- but over the course of his career could it shorten it at all? I don't have any doubt in my mind Demeco would excel playing outside. ESPECIALLY if we had a dominant mike next to him. Look how Willis is playing- if they run up the middle they aren't getting anywhere...if the run outside they may have to face Demeco who is quick and a heck of a tackler- who'se also a great blitzer. Having another stud LB would only help Demeco out. (I'm not upset with the pick of Okoye, i love it, but I've said it before and I'll say it again: I would rather have Rookie Patrick Willis and 2nd year Demeco Ryans for my franchise than Lance Briggs and Brian Urlacher. We would have arguably the best LB tandem in the league and they oldest just turned 23 years old in July) I don't want to sound like I'm harping on the last years draft at all- just stating a case where I would support moving demeco outside, which many fans cannot fathom-which is also understandable!

 

[badboy]

If you have more 5 star players than your opposition your chances are going to be better.

It's better to be Great somewher than o.k everywhere.

Offense:

QB Matt Schaub best available when we traded for him
WR Andre Johnson 1st round and many multi pro bowler
RB Ahmad Green best F/A available
TE Owen Daniels started his rookie season
RT Eric Winston starter
LG Chester Pitts rookie starter
KR Jerome Mathis pro bowler
WR/PR Jacoby Jones electrifying player that many project to be starting #2
Punter Matt Turk avg 44.3 with net 40.1 longest 59 yds

Defense:

DT Travis Johnson 1st round
DT Amobi Okoye 1st round just named DROM
DE Anthony Weaver best FA available
DE Mario Williams 1st round
CB Dunte Robinson probably should have gone to pro bowl rookie year on pace to do so this year.
MLB Demeco Ryans starter rookie year and DROY

My point here is that all above are not 5 A players but offer a very good nucleus and we have some very glaring holes that directly impacts our W/L column. IMO CB, FS and LT need to be addressed with a solid player before we go after a 5 A for a position like OLB. We also need to address center.

 

[real]

My point here is that all above are not 5 A players but offer a very good nucleus and we have some very glaring holes that directly impacts our W/L column.

If only the game of football were that simple...

If your view point held true the Ravens would have never won the superbowl because they would have reached for a QB or Reciever instead of taking those stud defensive players.

You don't pass up studs to reach for lesser talented players. Otherwise we might have Dwayne Bowe instead of Amobi.

And I know a lot of people wanted Revis. I like Revis a lot, but I think Amobi will prove to be much more valuable. This guy is going to be so good it's ridiculous.

We had enough D-linemen last year. We were obviously hurting for Running backs, DB's, Recievers and OL....

We didn't take any of those things because Amobi was deemed to be the best talent left on the board...Coach Kubiak said they had Amobi as their top defensive players...

Not sure how you guys aren't seeing the process....

 

[badboy]

If only the game of football were that simple...

If your view point held true the Ravens would have never won the superbowl because they would have reached for a QB or Reciever instead of taking those stud defensive players.

You don't pass up studs to reach for lesser talented players. Otherwise we might have Dwayne Bowe instead of Amobi.

And I know a lot of people wanted Revis. I like Revis a lot, but I think Amobi will prove to be much more valuable. This guy is going to be so good it's ridiculous.

We had enough D-linemen last year. We were obviously hurting for Running backs, DB's, Recievers and OL....

We didn't take any of those things because Amobi was deemed to be the best talent left on the board...Coach Kubiak said they had Amobi as their top defensive players...

Not sure how you guys aren't seeing the process....

I see the process just don't necessarily agree with it. There are times to take best player available, but again in my opinion we don't need an OLB. Forget other teams and Okoye for a second. Do we need an OLB on THIS team more than we need an #2 CB, FS and maybe an LT? That is what I am saying.

 

[real]

I see the process just don't necessarily agree with it. There are times to take best player available, but again in my opinion we don't need an OLB. Forget other teams and Okoye for a second. Do we need an OLB on THIS team more than we need an #2 CB, FS and maybe an LT? That is what I am saying.

Lets say right now the the Bears offered us Brian Urlacher or Nathan Vasher.


Are you telling me you take Vasher ?

 

[badboy]

Lets say right now the the Bears offered us Brian Urlacher or Nathan Vasher.


Are you telling me you take Vasher ?

No. At 4.96 in 40 he (Vasher) has strong safety speed. Give me a CB with something under 4.50 or even a Jimmy Williams at 6'3" 216 in last year's draft and I go that way over Urlacher.

http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/2006/players/cornerbacks.htm
You have to understand my point. I am not saying Urlacher or other LB would not improve team. OLB is not our biggest hole and imo not even in top 3 maybe 4. And before anyone says these CBs were not available, neither is Urlacher.

He would immediately be the heaviest LB on team and while a monster close to the line, would he fit in our defense and be a plus at falling back to cover a pass? A Sports Illustrated poll in 2006 of 361 NFL players named Urlacher as 2nd most over rated player in NFL. I think he is great, but not needed more than a good CB or LT.

 

[real]

Jimmy Williams over Urlacher ?

oooooooookkk........

We just have different philosophies...

No biggie...

 

[bah007]

No. At 4.96 in 40 he (Vasher) has strong safety speed. Give me a CB with something under 4.50 or even a Jimmy Williams at 6'3" 216 in last year's draft and I go that way over Urlacher.

http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/2006/players/cornerbacks.htm
You have to understand my point. I am not saying Urlacher or other LB would not improve team. OLB is not our biggest hole and imo not even in top 3 maybe 4. And before anyone says these CBs were not available, neither is Urlacher.

He would immediately be the heaviest LB on team and while a monster close to the line, would he fit in our defense and be a plus at falling back to cover a pass? A Sports Illustrated poll in 2006 of 361 NFL players named Urlacher as 2nd most over rated player in NFL. I think he is great, but not needed more than a good CB or LT.

Who clocked him? A blind guy?

I ran faster than that my freshman year in high school.

Vasher ran a 4.49 & 4.52 at the combine in 04.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=58836

 

[real]

i would. if our linebackers are a 7, and urlacher is a 9 then we've only improved by 2.

if our corners are a 4 and vasher is a 7 we've improved by 3.

these are just bs numbers i'm making up to prove a point. i'm all for best player available, but not to the point were you add on to a position that you don't need. you wouldn't take another stud rb if you already had barry sanders...

I am glad that you guys don't draft for us.

Otherwise we probably wouldn't have Mario, Demeco, Amobi, Jacoby, Owen ect...ect....

We'd prablably have Leon Hall, Josh Gattis and Kenny Irons....or some other lesser talented players...

 

[Errant Hothy]

There are only one position that should be exepmt from a draft philosphoy of BPA all the time. That is QB. Other then that you draft the BPA available at all time, regardless of position. At least that's how I feel about it.

But everybody and every team has a different viewpoint.

 

[real]

so you guys are saying that if we had to pick between a stud free safety or a slighty studlier wide reciever you would ignore the hole we have and add depth to where we already have depth because the wide reciever is a better player? that's a questionable call, debatable to say the least...i as well am glad that i don't have to draft anybody. i'm also glad you guys don't do it either. the guy you pick needs to be the best player available to a point, and that point is he also needs to be filling a need.

Using your logic the Vikings take Ted Ginn or Dwayne Bowe over Adrian Peterson because they already had Chester Taylor and they don't have much at reciever.

Again...I am glad you guys aren't drafting for us...

 

[Errant Hothy]

Using your logic the Vikings take Ted Ginn or Dwayne Bowe over Adrian Peterson because they already had Chester Taylor and they don't have much at reciever.

Again...I am glad you guys aren't drafting for us...

Exactly why you do not draft for need. Teams who draft for need tend to "reach" for draft picks. Another exaample is all the DBs the Cowboys drafted around 2000, I think they drafted 4 total. None are currently on the roster.

 

[real]

And by the way...

I never said that you ALWAYS draft BPA....

I'm talking about for the purposes of our team...

If there is an OLB with top level talent and there is a pretty good drop off in the players after him, I have no doubt in my mind that Kubiak and Co. would take him...

 

[badboy]

And by the way...

I never said that you ALWAYS draft BPA....

I'm talking about for the purposes of our team...

If there is an OLB with top level talent and there is a pretty good drop off in the players after him, I have no doubt in my mind that Kubiak and Co. would take him...

I basically agree and think that is what the Texans were thinking when they went with Okoye when Safeties and Corners were available. It would be interesting if we could figuratively subtract Okoye and enter a CB or FS in the first round pick. How would the games have been effected? Would we have lost to Atlanta? Maybe some of you would give your ratings of our OLB, LT, #2 CB, FS, Center and #2 WR spots on this team and how you saw these spots prior to last draft?
For me BPA works unless you have a glaring hole at a position that can cost you a game or injury to your QB. And that glaring hole(s) we do have and it is not OLB.

 

[YoungTexanFan]

And by the way...

I never said that you ALWAYS draft BPA....

I'm talking about for the purposes of our team...

If there is an OLB with top level talent and there is a pretty good drop off in the players after him, I have no doubt in my mind that Kubiak and Co. would take him...

Well, you have been arguing that point for a page or two now. For the purposes of our team, there isn't a OLB that is head and shoulders above the class. This is a very deep LB class as well. If a few players grade out to be very similar, there are two common stratigies to take: You take the player at the position of need...or you follow the Parcells method if they are at the same position: Take the bigger guy.

I've never supported reaching for anyone, but I do believe in taking a position of need in the first round if he grades out to be worth the pick. I would have taken AD over Okoye or Ginn or a lot of people if he had fallen, even with Green, and that is because he is that much better than anyone at his position or on the board at that point. However, already looking at this draft, both DB and LB are deep, and there should be a few guys who grade out fairly equally, and we need to take the more pressing need.

 

[threetoedpete]

Here's a dandy from '06:



I found others that were funny too. Won't post them because there is no need.

We are all wrong from time to time. Honestly, there isn't one person I've read who I would say has been 100% on their "predictions". I don't know about your track record, but I know you have a lot of post like that and a lot of post that I just totally disagree with. I probably have a lot of them as well....We all probably do. No biggie.

But I'll tell you one thing...I said Buster Davis would flop coming into the NFL...Check on that...

Well, i'm scambling to watch as many games as I can. I know for a fact that Demps is not a signifcant up grade over what we got.

If you're looking for big corners to convert, there are a few up there. I would love for them to move down and take a great OLT prospect. Get a third or something back. They've done well on the second day the last two drafts. Can we acuratly say now that WR's 3-5 or six is no longer a chronic probelm ?

And out side of team speed, the speciall teams have improved ?

I see a lot of o-line guys available. I see a lot of very athletic highly regaurded, playmaking LBs on the board. And unless a castastrophy happens
we're not going to get McFaddin. I also believe J.J. in Dallas would give anthing, do anything to get McFaddin. He get's that beast behind what the already have on the o-line, no one in the NFC will catch them...for several years.

It's going to be sooner rather than later when we see what Bennit has. The main question is not who is available or what tallent is there in the first. The main question is which way is this head coach going to take his defense. I believe our starting safties are already on the team for '08. Which would make the tallent level availble in '08 at DB an achedmeic exersise at best. They're going resign or tag Robinson and go buy a CB. My guess is he'll sort the safties next summer. Outside the CB I don't believe DBs are on their first round shopping list at all. My evidence is Gattis. He was rated last year as a FS a notch below Nelson and Meriweather. They could of had him already for the waiver wire price and a roster chop. I think no matter what coach speak is being said in front of the microphones, Petey is destined as soon as they can to the bench. I think the safty position is just one of those cap philosophy things. They aren't going to pay first round money to a front line safty. They believe they can get what they want out of the position and great value with prospects or cast offs. I dunno and I ain't in the room...

 

[badboy]

Well, i'm scambling to watch as many games as I can. I know for a fact that Demps is not a signifcant up grade over what we got.

If you're looking for big corners to convert, there are a few up there. I would love for them to move down and take a great OLT prospect. Get a third or something back. They've done well on the second day the last two drafts. Can we acuratly say now that WR's 3-5 or six is no longer a chronic probelm ?

And out side of team speed, the speciall teams have improved ?

I see a lot of o-line guys available. I see a lot of very athletic highly regaurded, playmaking LBs on the board. And unless a castastrophy happens
we're not going to get McFaddin. I also believe J.J. in Dallas would give anthing, do anything to get McFaddin. He get's that beast behind what the already have on the o-line, no one in the NFC will catch them...for several years.

It's going to be sooner rather than later when we see what Bennit has. The main question is not who is available or what tallent is there in the first. The main question is which way is this head coach going to take his defense. I believe our starting safties are already on the team for '08. Which would make the tallent level availble in '08 at DB an achedmeic exersise at best. They're going resign or tag Robinson and go buy a CB. My guess is he'll sort the safties next summer. Outside the CB I don't believe DBs are on their first round shopping list at all. My evidence is Gattis. He was rated last year as a FS a notch below Nelson and Meriweather. They could of had him already for the waiver wire price and a roster chop. I think no matter what coach speak is being said in front of the microphones, Petey is destined as soon as they can to the bench. I think the safty position is just one of those cap philosophy things. They aren't going to pay first round money to a front line safty. They believe they can get what they want out of the position and great value with prospects or cast offs. I dunno and I ain't in the room...

If we can come up with a sound CB, that lessens the need for a premium FS. That was the thinking when Texans trade for PB. Did not work out but thinking was sound imo.

 

[infantrycak]

Outside the CB I don't believe DBs are on their first round shopping list at all. My evidence is Gattis. He was rated last year as a FS a notch below Nelson and Meriweather. They could of had him already for the waiver wire price and a roster chop.

Your evidence for the Texans being unwilling to use a 1st round pick is Josh Gattis? C'mon--dude went in the 5th round and was then cut by the team that drafted him. The only thing he is proof of is that draftniks get little internet woodies over players that NFL coaches and GM's evaluate much differently. 32 NFL teams rated him a whole lot lower than a notch below Nelson and Meriweather. I see no proof the Texans won't spend a 1st on a safety in the fact that they didn't use a 3rd, 4th or 5th on a guy hanging onto the league by his fingernails.

 

[Battle Red Flash]

1. FS
2. RB
3. O-line (Any All American will do.)
4. CB

 

[real]

However, already looking at this draft, both DB and LB are deep, and there should be a few guys who grade out fairly equally, and we need to take the more pressing need.

And that's where our disagreement lies...


I don't agree with your draft grades nor your talent evaluation...

 

[rollinstone18]

After Week 5

1. RB
2. OL
3. FS
4. DE/DT/LB (Anyone who can effectively pass rush)

 

[real]

bpa unless bpa leaves you with the same weaknesses your team had the year before. blindly choosing bpa is not progress. marginally improving a team is not what the draft is for.

This conversation is pointless.


I clearly explained myself and have even stated several times that BPA isn't always the best thing to do, but that should be common sense.

I'm talking about our LB corps....If there is a stud OLB availaible that is much better than the rest of the talent left in the draft...I personally think we'd take him...

That's pretty much the end of this for me...

 

[bah007]

This conversation is pointless.


I clearly explained myself and have even stated several times that BPA isn't always the best thing to do, but that should be common sense.

I'm talking about our LB corps....If there is a stud OLB availaible that is much better than the rest of the talent left in the draft...I personally think we'd take him...

That's pretty much the end of this for me...

I like Dan Connor (Penn St) for that.

In 6 games he has 58 tackles, 9 TFL, 4 sacks, & 5 PBU.

 

[beerlover]

the more games the Texans win the more subjective it gets so drafting for need becomes more palpable. I hope we win a bunch more games so the Texans can just go out & draft the best possible talent that fits their scheme and address the most pressing needs.

right now there is no way to say who that will be or what position he plays. I don't see this draft class as good as the past couple, however you just never know who the underclassman are that will submit for this years draft. for real upside & talent I'd hedge my bet we draft another very young & talented underclassman, so I'd focus mostly on that group as a whole

 

[tulexan]

We need to get a young stud running back during the offseason. Whether it is from free agency or the draft, I don't care.

 

[alphajoker]

FG Kicker

Do you think we still need a FG Kicker?

 

[beerlover]

We need to get a young stud running back during the offseason. Whether it is from free agency or the draft, I don't care.

there's about one week left to make a trade this year. remember last week I was hopeful Rick Smith might inquire about Michael Turner, now he pops a buck 47 in the Chargers win

 

[Exithios]

there's about one week left to make a trade this year. remember last week I was hopeful Rick Smith might inquire about Michael Turner, now he pops a buck 47 in the Chargers win

I would be for a trade concerning the acquisition of Michael Turner but I think we are running thin of currency and I am sure he wouldn't come cheap. No way would I give up a 1st rounder, maybe a 3rd and Jerome Mathis...

 

[Giant Tiger]

Put me in the trade down camp. We need a 2nd rounder. I want to see
LT
RB
FS
C
Should go for bpa if FS class is thin. Not against OLB either.

 

[threetoedpete]

Your evidence for the Texans being unwilling to use a 1st round pick is Josh Gattis? C'mon--dude went in the 5th round and was then cut by the team that drafted him. The only thing he is proof of is that draftniks get little internet woodies over players that NFL coaches and GM's evaluate much differently. 32 NFL teams rated him a whole lot lower than a notch below Nelson and Meriweather. I see no proof the Texans won't spend a 1st on a safety in the fact that they didn't use a 3rd, 4th or 5th on a guy hanging onto the league by his fingernails.

No that wan't what I was tring to bring together. What i was tring to say is if the Texans wanted this type of Free safty....NOW...in the current season....they could of already had him.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/nflcombineprofile.php?pyid=11828

There is only one and if the Texans hold true to course and do not go into the tank....free safty will be a pipe dream in the first round. Kenny Phillips will go top ten. We shouldn't be there. So what we are talking about here is a second teired guy...exactly like Gattis. And if they didn't pick one in rounds 4-6 last draft....why would they do it in '08 ? Especailly in the first after the gravy is already off the board ?

http://www.draftace.com/draft2008/mockdraftround1.htm

I'd be elated with this.

 

[threetoedpete]

I like Dan Connor (Penn St) for that.

In 6 games he has 58 tackles, 9 TFL, 4 sacks, & 5 PBU.

The man is a beast. He out played Poz last season. He turned out ok.

 

[beerlover]

I was thinking what about a player in the 3rd rd. who can address multiple needs that we lack depth in, you know Kubiak likes that in his players? Specficly I was thinking of a skilled player to replace Mathis (can't stay healthy) who is a better WR & can also play some RB. kill three birds with one stone, heck maybe he could even play some corner if needed?

His name you already know & he plays here already for the Houston........Cougars, its Anthony Alridge. this guy has been durable, played all positions mentioned at one time or another & has electric speed, like low 4.3's. Just another name to throw in the hat but the idea is to limit one trick ponys & replace them with talent that can help you win games not only at his primary position but give you depth at others depending on injurys

I'm almost sure he could grab the #4 WR slot, eventually moving to #3 behind Jacoby & Johnson. replace Mathis on kick-offs. play some slot back, end arounds, quick slants & provide speed to stretch the field.

 

[badboy]

I was thinking what about a player in the 3rd rd. who can address multiple needs that we lack depth in, you know Kubiak likes that in his players? Specficly I was thinking of a skilled player to replace Mathis (can't stay healthy) who is a better WR & can also play some RB. kill three birds with one stone, heck maybe he could even play some corner if needed?

His name you already know & he plays here already for the Houston........Cougars, its Anthony Alridge. this guy has been durable, played all positions mentioned at one time or another & has electric speed, like low 4.3's. Just another name to throw in the hat but the idea is to limit one trick ponys & replace them with talent that can help you win games not only at his primary position but give you depth at others depending on injurys

I'm almost sure he could grab the #4 WR slot, eventually moving to #3 behind Jacoby & Johnson. replace Mathis on kick-offs. play some slot back, end arounds, quick slants & provide speed to stretch the field.

Is 3rd a little high for him? I see him as someone who can do a little of all you mentioned but not sure how he converts to NFL. I see him more as a scat back and did not know he played corner. Good speed but do not see him as the RB we need. Size @ 5'9" worries me and 175lbs. Speed, I could not find but I understand he is fast. I do not see him as a starter at any position and would not give a first day pick for a back up and ST player.

 

[rmartin65]

Specficly I was thinking of a skilled player to replace Mathis (can't stay healthy) who is a better WR & can also play some RB.

There is a really late round guy, maybe even not draftable, by the name of Jayson Foster out of Georgia Southern. He was on my list as a kick returner/reciever, but was switched to QB and runs alot. He might be an interesting look.
107 carries for 882 yards (8.2) and 14 TD.

 

[real]

I hope we don't take any recievers.

 

[bah007]

I was thinking what about a player in the 3rd rd. who can address multiple needs that we lack depth in, you know Kubiak likes that in his players? Specficly I was thinking of a skilled player to replace Mathis (can't stay healthy) who is a better WR & can also play some RB. kill three birds with one stone, heck maybe he could even play some corner if needed?

His name you already know & he plays here already for the Houston........Cougars, its Anthony Alridge. this guy has been durable, played all positions mentioned at one time or another & has electric speed, like low 4.3's. Just another name to throw in the hat but the idea is to limit one trick ponys & replace them with talent that can help you win games not only at his primary position but give you depth at others depending on injurys

I'm almost sure he could grab the #4 WR slot, eventually moving to #3 behind Jacoby & Johnson. replace Mathis on kick-offs. play some slot back, end arounds, quick slants & provide speed to stretch the field.

I like Marcus Thigpen (Indiana) for that.

He is only a redshirt junior this year but I like his size (5-9, 195) a lot more.

He led the nation with a 30.1 KR Avg & 3 KR TDs last year.

He's touching the ball more as a RB this year than a WR or KR.

 

[BigBull17]

I havent look and examined by position yet, but I would say trade down a bit to get a 2nd and maybe a 3rd or 4th. After that it goes:

1 LT- even if Spence is ok, you can never have enough good tackles
*2.RB- I wasnt big on drafting one so high until the Dayne/Gado/Cook experience... Groom w/ Green and then take over.
3. FS-We need a ball hawk playmaker. Tackling isnt as big for me as coverage/INT skills.
4. C- See also Tackles
5.- Cb depth-I know its one game, but Bennet looked ok out there. Thats all you expect from a guys first signifigant action.
6. BPA defensive depth
7. BPA maybe someone who can return kicks

 

[beerlover]

Is 3rd a little high for him? I see him as someone who can do a little of all you mentioned but not sure how he converts to NFL. Good speed but do not see him as the RB we need. Size @ 5'9" worries me and 175lbs. Speed, I could not find but I understand he is fast. I do not see him as a starter at any position and would not give a first day pick for a back up and ST player.

as of now he is projected as a solid 3rd rd. pick, therefore not a reach at all & I listed reasons why he would be worth that pick even more to a team that needs to add depth & flexibilty like the Texans. he has the type of speed that kills, if anything I think he flies under the radar because of the program (small school status) but there should be plenty of Cougar fans here who can vouch for his explosive playmaking ability. sometimes we get to hung up on measureables and forget what a player brings on the field, & despite his stature or lack thereof he strikes me as a true team football player with Bob Sanders kind of & desire