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Vick pleads not guilty and other urban legends.
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BattleRedToro
Thread Killer
The Ray Lewis incident happened prior to the new player conduct policy of the NFL.
Red_Zone
Ain't Misbehavin
Not sure what you're acting so pissed off about with me Elle. The only thing I was responding to was your statement that;
Elle said:
I'm only saying that what pet owners think is not irrelavant if they are Falcon fans or NFL fans. Innocent till proven guilty doesn't apply to the fans or the NFL either one. Because of this issue the Falcons may freely cut Vick or the NFL can suspend or expell him without any court action and fans can choose to not watch any game Vick played in.
I just don't like to see people confuse the court of public opinion with the criminal justice court. Each have seperate rules.
Red_Zone
Ain't Misbehavin
So is it your stance that because Ray Lewis skated that Vick should skate too? No one is comparing human death with a dogs death, each case has to stand on its own merit. Just because the system failed in the OJ case and the Ray Lewis case doesn't mean it has to or will in the Vick case.
hollywood_texan
All Pro
Do you really think attorney's only take cases they think they have a good chance to win?
I don't think so if the money is right.
Look, an attorney doesn't have to win every case, just the cases he should win. Something tells me this case may not be winnable from a defense perspective.
My other point is, the Feds may LOVE there case so much, they are positive they will get a conviction. Therefore, no plea deal is available.
Also, the facts of this case may be so bad against Vick, that regardless of a not guilty verdict, Vick will never play a down again in the NFL.
hollywood_texan
All Pro
The Ray Lewis incident was a one-time deal during one night.
The Vick issue is a pattern of behavior over several years.
You are comparing apples and oranges.
I am just amazed how people are twisting themselves into pretzels so Vick is innocent and/or plays in the NFL again.
hollywood_texan
All Pro
First, the Lewis situation happened before Goodell became Commissioner.
So what is Goodell suppose to do, ban Lewis from the NFL now?
That doesn't make any sense.
The Lewis situation is over and done with.
Like I said, the Lewis situation was a one-time deal. Same with Kobe. I don't here any stories that either of the people (victims) involved were just innocent bystanders. Two thugs going at it and one getting killed is a little different in people's eyes when it comes to some thugs making dogs fight. The dogs don't have a choice, people put themselves in situations so there is the possibility of less sympathy.
Lewis got lucky, if he was associated with that today, he would be toast too. Which wouldn't be a bad thing in my opinion.
Times have change and maybe you need to get with it.
This is a good thing if Vick is dirty...
You seem to be advocating the status quo of letting star athletes do what they want without any consequences.
Red_Zone
Ain't Misbehavin
The Lewis case was ajudicated in a court of law, he worked out a plea deal and got a year probation. If I had my way he'd never play ball again but I wasn't the commish, neither was Godell but that's all in the past now and has nothing to do with Vick.
People are more upset about Vick because so many people love dogs and have pets and it has more personal meaning to them than a rumble between thugs out on the town for the night. Not making light of the kiliing of a human, but thats the way it is.
Koolaid Time
Drink Up!
John Walker Lyndh (Johnny Taliban)
Zacarias Moussaoui
Gitmo Detainee Cases
Yamadi v. Rumsfeld
Moussi Khann
Walker Spy Ring
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/
It's funny to me that those most loudly bashing Ray Lewis and talking about the "facts" of the Vick case keep getting their facts w/ Mr. Lewis' case all messed up.
Ray Lewis may very well BE a thug, but in the incident in question absolutely NOBODY had him w/ a weapon in HIS hand. His two cohorts were found to have DEFENDED themselves. Ray didn't think he (or they) would get a "fair shake" by an unfairly biased court system (against black males), so he told them to keep their mouths shut. He pled on an Obstruction charge regarding his instructions to his cohorts that may likely NOT have held up in court. (His co-defendants cases were adjudicated AFTER his plea - they were both found NOT GUILTY)
Murder pled down to "Obstruction of Justice?" - they didn't HAVE a case against Ray, his lawyers didn't need much of a "plan" to overcome the glaring HOLES in the prosecution's case.
Mike Vick has people pointing the finger at him (scumbags or not) and this being the Feds, you can bet there's some interesting phone discussions via wiretaps. Apples & Oranges indeed.
Ray Lewis may very well BE a thug, but in the incident in question absolutely NOBODY had him w/ a weapon in HIS hand. His two cohorts were found to have DEFENDED themselves. Ray didn't think he (or they) would get a "fair shake" by an unfairly biased court system (against black males), so he told them to keep their mouths shut. He pled on an Obstruction charge regarding his instructions to his cohorts that may likely NOT have held up in court. (His co-defendants cases were adjudicated AFTER his plea - they were both found NOT GUILTY)
Murder pled down to "Obstruction of Justice?" - they didn't HAVE a case against Ray, his lawyers didn't need much of a "plan" to overcome the glaring HOLES in the prosecution's case.
Mike Vick has people pointing the finger at him (scumbags or not) and this being the Feds, you can bet there's some interesting phone discussions via wiretaps. Apples & Oranges indeed.
TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
Koolaid Time
Drink Up!
If you read paragraph 68 of the indictment, its pretty evident that one of CW referenced was an undercover Federal Agent (probably Treasury, maybe DEA) and NOT an informant.
They can make a case with a "snitch".. but if they have undercover Feds wearing wires and electronic intercepts, its pretty much over for "Ookie"....
hollywood_texan
All Pro
If you are so concerned about certain people, animals, or things that should or should not get sympathy, maybe you can redirect your concerns to someone other than Mike Vick.
I am positive there is somebody more worth while than Mike Vick to be concerned about getting a fair shake.
There are many injustices in the world, I just don't understand why people are taking up his cause.
There has got to be something more worth while in the world of scarce resources.
ccdude730
Veteran
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7064522
some good info in that article. it also talks about a superceding indictment:
article also mentions possibility of plea bargaining:
some good info in that article. it also talks about a superceding indictment:
article also mentions possibility of plea bargaining:
bigfan77801
Plebian
Koolaid Time
Drink Up!
"When it comes to plea bargaining, Vick has a problem. Based on the indictment, he appears to have bankrolled the entire dogfighting operation, which began after he became a wealthy professional athlete.
Nevertheless, the two reasons why Vick may still be able to make a deal are: First, there would be a value to both sides if Vick is the first defendant to try and do a deal the government would be more likely to accept such a deal than if he were the last defendant to seek a deal. Second, the government knows that if it has to actually try Vick, it will be going up against a high-powered defense team, including prominent D.C. attorney Billy Martin, whereas, if they do a deal with Vick and take the other three defendants to trial, they will not be facing anywhere near as well-financed a legal defense. "
I disagree on this. Vick CAN'T Plea.. Here's why.
1. Vick has to give the Feds something on a plea. The other guys in his gang are "chump change." If Vick truly has these "nationwide connections" and can give them other BIG players in the dog fighting scene, then maybe the Feds will listen. Otherwise, forget it.
2. A Vick plea and conviction means he is FINISHED in the NFL for life. After a guilty plea on these types of charges, the NFL would ban him for life without any hesitation. Vick has to go to trial to save whatever chance he has to play again. Besides, what else can Vick do with his life besides play football?
3. Vick may be signing his own death warrant if he gives up others in a plea. These lowlifes in the dog fighting scene would not hesitate to whack Vick, his family etc. if he cops a plea and spills the beans.
Nevertheless, the two reasons why Vick may still be able to make a deal are: First, there would be a value to both sides if Vick is the first defendant to try and do a deal the government would be more likely to accept such a deal than if he were the last defendant to seek a deal. Second, the government knows that if it has to actually try Vick, it will be going up against a high-powered defense team, including prominent D.C. attorney Billy Martin, whereas, if they do a deal with Vick and take the other three defendants to trial, they will not be facing anywhere near as well-financed a legal defense. "
I disagree on this. Vick CAN'T Plea.. Here's why.
1. Vick has to give the Feds something on a plea. The other guys in his gang are "chump change." If Vick truly has these "nationwide connections" and can give them other BIG players in the dog fighting scene, then maybe the Feds will listen. Otherwise, forget it.
2. A Vick plea and conviction means he is FINISHED in the NFL for life. After a guilty plea on these types of charges, the NFL would ban him for life without any hesitation. Vick has to go to trial to save whatever chance he has to play again. Besides, what else can Vick do with his life besides play football?
3. Vick may be signing his own death warrant if he gives up others in a plea. These lowlifes in the dog fighting scene would not hesitate to whack Vick, his family etc. if he cops a plea and spills the beans.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
There's no talking to you guys who want to see this guy nailed to the wall b/c you're completely caught up in the emotion. You guys need to seperate the fact that just b/c we're looking at things differently, doesn't mean we are taking his side & doesn't mean that we agree with what was going on at this house. It also doesn't mean that you're opinion is right & ours is wrong. You're operating between the moral aspect & the actual trial. & in that regard, you're completely unwilling to see the justice system for what it is which is what Elle's trying to give you guys some insight on.
You guys think the case is air tight b/c of the feds conviction rate & the reading of the indictment. Hello, geniuses indictments are supposed to read that way, meaning be convincing. If you read almost any indictment from any case state or federal without knowing much about the actual case you could very well come away think the person is guilty. Doesn't mean that it can all be completely substantiated in the court of law.
We all agree that the court of public opinion is a different beast all together, but that doesn't mean that it's always right, much like no one believes the court of law is always right.
You guys think the case is air tight b/c of the feds conviction rate & the reading of the indictment. Hello, geniuses indictments are supposed to read that way, meaning be convincing. If you read almost any indictment from any case state or federal without knowing much about the actual case you could very well come away think the person is guilty. Doesn't mean that it can all be completely substantiated in the court of law.
We all agree that the court of public opinion is a different beast all together, but that doesn't mean that it's always right, much like no one believes the court of law is always right.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Before the Ray Lewis thing gets completely twisted out of whack, let's consider. :
The Ray Lewis Murder Trial
Lewis Murder Charges Dropped
Also, and as someone had mentioned, Lewis case was a single act - not an organized crime ring.....
A few people have mentioned Vick plea bargaining, but who ever said the prosecutors offered a deal. Maybe they feel that they have enough that they do not need to offer Vick anything... If thats the case, Ron Mexico is screwed for sure..
The Ray Lewis Murder Trial
Lewis Murder Charges Dropped
Also, and as someone had mentioned, Lewis case was a single act - not an organized crime ring.....
A few people have mentioned Vick plea bargaining, but who ever said the prosecutors offered a deal. Maybe they feel that they have enough that they do not need to offer Vick anything... If thats the case, Ron Mexico is screwed for sure..
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
The mere fact that they were expecting him to cop a plea can go both ways though. After sharing the evidence with his attorney, the feds either felt that his attorney would be stupid to not try & get a plea bargain or maybe they were banking on the fact that Vick might've wanted this to go away as fast as possible. Thinking, if he wants to play ball & admit guilt to his role in this we'll help him out a bit & take what he gives us & use it to get P. Peace, the others & any more "known & unknowns."
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
See, thats the thing Mr. Tex, I really beleive that the feds are going after Ookie as the "King Pin" and if anything would rather plea bargain with "T" and "Pee Funk"... Afterall, who is in a better position to bankroll the operation, "T", "Pee Funk" or "Ookie"..
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I don't know, but with superceeding (sp?) charges coming in august, & now news that he could be a person of interest in Arizona, that could possibly be true. I'm going to follow this case closer than i've ever followed any case before & as details are released, It's going to be interesting whether they have their case rooted in a money trail or on the 4 CW's b/c in reading the indictment, it appears that it's the latter.
& if that's the case, i don't think they have a good shot of linking "ookie" (lol) as the kingpin in that route. Also, the guys who are up there with him, we have no clue of what they're into so i wouldn't rule out drug money being involved in this either.
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
I keep hearing this innocent until proven guilty being repeated in this thread. Well.....
Here is everything you need to know about the Mike Vick/NFL situation.
To borrow an old cliche from The Sopranos and The Godfather....
It's just business.
The Vick supporters have a valid point. Mr. Vick deserves a fair trial and is innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the law.
However, in the eyes of the NFL, it's not that simple. The National Football League is first and foremost a business. A very lucrative one at that. By just being indicted, Mike Vick has potentially affected the NFL business in an adverse way.
In a court of public opinion, Mike Vick is guilty. Right or wrong, this is the reality of the situation. The NFL has no choice but to bow to the will of the public opinion court in order to protect profits and its image.
Here is a little illustration (and it is a very true story)...
Last year a former coworker of mine got arrested and charged for what most people would consider a heinous crime. Now in the eyes of the law he was innocent until proven guilty. However, my employer fired him. Not exactly fair is it? The problem?
My employer is a very high profile company in the community and its public image is very important. Furthermore, the company has a significant portion of its employees working in and with the public every day. The arrest and criminal case was constantly in the press and was talked about around town constantly.
Now. What would the company's image have been if word got out that it had a ________ working for it?
Fair or not. The company had to protect its image. It had no choice.
That story is a perfect parallel to the Mike Vick situation. Fair or not, it is the reality.
Just like my former coworker, it is Mike Vick's own fault that he is in his situation. He may very well be innocent. However, he put himself in that situation by associating himself with the folks that are guilty.
The evidence is undisputable regarding what happened on that property. The ony thing left to determine is who was involved.
Here is everything you need to know about the Mike Vick/NFL situation.
To borrow an old cliche from The Sopranos and The Godfather....
It's just business.
The Vick supporters have a valid point. Mr. Vick deserves a fair trial and is innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the law.
However, in the eyes of the NFL, it's not that simple. The National Football League is first and foremost a business. A very lucrative one at that. By just being indicted, Mike Vick has potentially affected the NFL business in an adverse way.
In a court of public opinion, Mike Vick is guilty. Right or wrong, this is the reality of the situation. The NFL has no choice but to bow to the will of the public opinion court in order to protect profits and its image.
Here is a little illustration (and it is a very true story)...
Last year a former coworker of mine got arrested and charged for what most people would consider a heinous crime. Now in the eyes of the law he was innocent until proven guilty. However, my employer fired him. Not exactly fair is it? The problem?
My employer is a very high profile company in the community and its public image is very important. Furthermore, the company has a significant portion of its employees working in and with the public every day. The arrest and criminal case was constantly in the press and was talked about around town constantly.
Now. What would the company's image have been if word got out that it had a ________ working for it?
Fair or not. The company had to protect its image. It had no choice.
That story is a perfect parallel to the Mike Vick situation. Fair or not, it is the reality.
Just like my former coworker, it is Mike Vick's own fault that he is in his situation. He may very well be innocent. However, he put himself in that situation by associating himself with the folks that are guilty.
The evidence is undisputable regarding what happened on that property. The ony thing left to determine is who was involved.
hollywood_texan
All Pro
Why are you guys so hung up on some injustice to Mick Vick? There seem to be more facts pointing to Mick Vick involved in dog fighting directly in the indictment than anything supporting injustice to Mick Vick in this case.
As for Elle, she seems to argue that since Lewis was punished minimally, therefore so should Vick. That makes absolutely no sense in my opinion and clearly shows to me she is basing her opinion on emotion rather than the facts.
I don't think anyone in this thread is niave that injustices do not occur in the legal system from the perspective of defendants. My question is, why stick up for Vick? There has got to be a person more deserving than Mick Vick. I don't think he deserves any sympathy what so ever giving the circumstances that we all stipulate as the cold hard facts. Bottom line, Mick Vick was just stupid about this whole matter if he isn't guilty.
I have said this over and over. This is a pattern of behavior over several years in prosecuting this case. It's not one situation that got out of hand (Lewis and Kobe cases) at a specific moment. Therefore, the Feds have been building their case for some time now.
You wanna talk about injustices, let's talk about somebody other than Vick, and you probably may be surprised how close we are all in agreement.
This thread isn't about injustices, it's about Mick Vick!
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
Injustice done anywhere is injustice done EVERYWHERE. Some of us...well, mainly me and elle, don't like to see a man who from all personal accounts is a good guy get crucified in the court of public opinion because big brother decided to hand down an indictment, and that plus the word of some snitches makes it so. Let the man live his life, play his game, and if he is CONVICTED, then so be it. Until then, Vick has my sympathy for all the vitriol thrown his way by the happy go lucky lynch mob that is the stir crazy, a.d.d. addled public that likes the sight of blood.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
If by all accounts you mean flipping fans off and spreading Venerial Disease under a pseudonym of Ron Mexico... I guess. 
hollywood_texan
All Pro
Most people do not believe "Ron Mexico", oh, excuse me, Mick Vick is a good guy and that opinion has nothing to do with this case.
Also, you seem to be connecting some dots here in some form of conspiracy or witch hunt. As I said before, there seems to be more facts supporting Vick's involvement than some conspiracy, witch hunt, or injustice.
Bottom line, there are rules to society and if they are not followed they need to be dealt with accordingly regardless of who you are.
In my job, if I was charged for a similar crime as Vick, I probably would be fired too. Why should Mike Vick get special treatment?
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Noone is sticking up for him! but if we were, WHY NOT? This IS the same guy who donated money to victims families during the V-tech tragedy. This is the same guy who by the owner & GM of the Falcons accounts prior to this was a decent human being & had no serious run in's with the law. Now, b/c he's been implicated
in a dog fighting scandal, in which the extent of his involvement is not even known yet, Some of you guys are liking him to Osama bin laden.
everyone agrees that if he's found to have a huge hand in this, he will get what's coming to him, but can't you guys just withhold that angst until you know what's what? That's all anyone is saying.
Your right hollywood texan, alot of people didn't like him before this incident, so does that make it ok to just pile on & kick the man when he's down? I probably should've figured that this would come about since people were still condeming the man when he donated money to the va tech tragedy fund. Idiots were shouting... " that's all he gave, he's cheap.... etc, etc"
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
You amaze me bro. You don't happen to call 610 10 times a day do you?
Stop comparing things and acting like they just came after Vick. The Feds can't help that some people are just dumb. As I wrote in another thread, if you read the paper daily you would see that there are Fed stings reported about weekly. Some deal with drug rings. Some deal with illegal alien transportation. Some deal with child porn rings. Well this one deals with dog fighting and they just happen to have a man who thought he was above the law. The investigated for 6 months if not more. The dotted their "i"s and crossed their "t"s. The got the ducks in a row. The Feds don't get indictments just by some hearsay testimony of some snitches. The hose that a man built had additions on it that were built just for training these dogs. Its not like some back alley, hidden venture. You keep ignoring the 95% conviction rate and chalking it up to dirty Feds without realizing that maybe they actually investigate and lay out cases in detail before even asking for an indictment....thus, they win.
Please read a little and stop the blind hero worship.
Ralph Sampson was a nice guy and went to jail in this same court for not paying his child support. Nice guys can still make dumb moves. Nice guys get DWIs. Nice guys hit rough stretches or have lapses in judgement.
Heck, I wouldn't trust his attorney considering he read a statement saying Mike doesn't want to miss "spring training."..lol. Rome is tearing this up.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
there are no "facts". Just wild accusations, and you have no proof that he has done ANYTHING. Nothing. Not a single thing has been proven in a court of law. Vick donated a lot to virginia tech after the tragedies. Vick helps inner city kids, a lot, and very quietly..not for publicity. Vick has built houses for single mothers. I like that you jump on the vick is satan bandwagon, but you don't know the man or his actions, so stop judging.
hollywood_texan
All Pro
I probably wouldn't be in this thread if it wasn't for this very discussion.
Totally agree, let the wheels of justice do it's thing.
As for Vick donating money to needy people, that doesn't make him a good person or that he follows the law. Many organized crime syndicates donate large amounts of cash to needy people. The two activities are completely separate.
It's like vegetarians, it seems to me they think they think they are more moral because they don't eat meat.
My point is, just because a person engages in a certain worth while activity (I am not referring to vegetarians in this regard), doesn't make them a good person or that they don't break the law.
You guys seem to be twisting yourselves into pretzels for Mick Vick and I just don't understand why.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
you seem to be leading the lynch party and i don't know why. Vick is innocent until 12 of his peers tell me otherwise. Nobody here has 1 percent of all the facts, and he's already nailed to a couple of 2 by 4s.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
LAMO.. donated a lot of money to VaTech??? 10grrrr!!!
10grr divided by 130 mill... = .007 of 1%.... I give a larger percentage of my income to homeless folks at intersections...
R
real
Guest
That's true...
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
i bet 10 grand did more for them than you did. I said a lot..not a lot relative to his income.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
It doesn't prove anything & it's 2 seperate things, but it shows some sort of good will, he could've just said to hell with them, even though it's the place that allowed him to become who he is.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Please read above. Anyone can donate money. It doesn't mean that they don't do dumb things. Mort is on Rome right now that they may even supercede the indictment and have more charges on him. You're not being realistic. You pretty much need to drop the man crush. OJ used to give money too.
Wild accusations are not how the Feds run their show. These are things that they checked over and over and gathered for months and months.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
I didnt go to VaTech, but I was a part of 5 people who raised over 20 grrr for the 12 folks that passed at Bonfire....
hollywood_texan
All Pro
Yes there are facts, just to start of with a few:
1. There is a house built by Vick
2. Kennels were built at Vick's direction at the house
3. Vick knew they were breeding Pitt Bulls
Vick admitted himself that the people at the house took advantage of his generosity (that was a stupid remark and probably will be used against him in this trial some how). That seems to some sort of admission regarding dog fighting at the house, and is a FACT. Vick said it.
I just don't get it.
I am not rushing to any judgement, I am just interpreting what is right before my eyes.
If Vick isn't guilty, he is insanely stupid and with some sort negligence.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
so maybe you should stop criticizing his donation until you do better for those people. I hate the attitude that the feds are automatically right because they are the feds. Thats ignorance at its height.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
After reading the amount of money he's spent on his inhumane hobby of dog fighting, 10 grr was the winning pot of ONE dogfight. What does that say about his feelings for Va. Tech? IMO, that's being cheap. Oh..I forgot to mention the 100 something million he's getting payed to play football.
The guy needs to go away.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Thank you!This is getting insane. I'm hearing from Mort and others on the radio right now this same thing. The Feds don't indict without evidence and without coberrating testimony regarding the evidence. The things you laid out are bad enough. They are saying Blank is close to cutting him. I would think that these people have some insight as to what is going on. Vick, at some point will deal. that is just my feeling.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
After reading the amount of money he's spent on his inhumane hobby of dog fighting, 10 grr was the winning pot of ONE dogfight. What does that say about his feelings for Va. Tech? IMO, that's being cheap. Oh..I forgot to mention the 100 something million he's getting payed to play football.
The guy needs to go away.
hasn't been proven to be a dogfighter.
Your opinion is worthless, bet 10,000 meant a lot to the people it went to help.
Why does he need to go away? nothings been proven?
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Dude I think your bloody lungs have made you completely delusional or you intentionally throw out whatever crap to see what sticks...
I can gaurantee you that If I was a Millionaire the Fund for those 12 Aggies would have been way larger.
I guess you can't educate someone who enjoys their bliss in ignorance.
hollywood_texan
All Pro
I don't wanna see Vick lynched or crucified. It appears you are taking this a little too personal.
First, I am perfectly fine with the wheels of justice in this matter. If Vick is found guilty, he will not be sentenced to death, and I am not advocating he should be. Whatever the penalties are and what the judge hands down upon a conviction, so be it as long as it's impartial with no corruption.
As for the NFL suspending Vick, that's their choice. They have to run a business and protect their investment. That's how are society works.
If you have an issue with Vick getting what is essentially being fired from his job, take it up with PETA and the Humane Society. That's the pressure that's brought this to bear. And good luck when trying to persuade them Mike Vick is a good guy.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
LMAO. That is ignorance but ignoring the indictment and the facts of what he owns and what they found so you can watch a guy play football is good common sense?LOL. Give me a break. No one says mistakes aren't made. They are just pointing out that they are rarely wrong and that these cases happen weekly. It isn't a Vick thing.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Oh to be young again, having the belief of invincibility. You will eventually grow out of having the "it's you against the world" mentality. Good day
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Oh to be young again, having the belief of invincibility. You will eventually grow out of having the "it's you against the world" mentality. Good day
LMAO.. I was thinking the same thing...
I can remember being 21, just like I can remember drinking my first beer...
oh, so now your intentions have less to do with your own personal agendas of making money on gambling and being entertained, and more to do with Vick being a "good person"?
You've already shown your cards, man. We know your perspective: you don't care about dogs, Vick is a good bet to help you make personal gain, and he entertains you.
Drop the concerned citizen act. It does not serve your pot stirring reputation very well.
So what. The mafia does a lot of charity work, as does Hamas and Hugo Chavez. I guess we should just excuse FEDERAL CRIMES because their hearts are in the right place? Ever hear of smoke screens and mirrors? Maybe Vick's "charity" is more about making an image and selling a product, one that you have happily lapped up like a kitten with milk.
hollywood_texan
All Pro
If you are at famaliar with celeberties, very regularly, they don't make donations directly themselves.
It's their publicists and managers that handle these affairs and orchestrate these events.
To some extent, it's just marketing money so they get bigger endorsements in the future because it promotes their public image.
What is $10,000 relative to Mike Vick and his net worth anyway?
R
real
Guest
It is a Vick thing.