How someone can read the entire document and not walk away with an idea of guilt is beyond me. The feds don't hand these things out like candy. When they indict someone, they mean business. A 95% conviction rating will attest to that little fact.
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How someone can read the entire document and not walk away with an idea of guilt is beyond me. The feds don't hand these things out like candy. When they indict someone, they mean business. A 95% conviction rating will attest to that little fact.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
That is the point I made ad nauseum in this thread to SWT. This isn't some playground DWI with knuckleheaded County Attorneys. He wanted to ignore that prosecution rate but the rate means something because it shows they do their homework.
Always remember SWT likes to stir the pot, regardless if he actually believes what he is saying or not. Just keep a lid on your own pot and he won't be able to stir it.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
I actually came away believing he was guiltier than I initially thought after reading it. I'd previously read that Vick was only in attendance a couple of times. The indictment clearly states he was present during several events.
IMO, he's screwed!
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
Always remember SWT likes to stir the pot, regardless if he actually believes what he is saying or not. Just keep a lid on your own pot and he won't be able to stir it.
I understand stirring the pot but if you say certain things people will take them and you at face value, and if that is how you want to be percieved then it is on him. But I have no respect for him because of what he said.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Porky
Hall of Fame
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
Black?
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
Then you would love his stance on abortion and babies.
No thanks, I have seen his views I care to.
Don't know what that ment and I honestly do not think I want to.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
Look at my name.
I'm more of a 'say what you mean, mean what you say' kind of guy. But I know that's not a route for everyone.
Being a devil's advocate is a thrill for some folks, and I just figure to each his own and all that jazz. I've got a friend that used to do that to everyone on any given subject, but he's a certified a-hole and enjoys a 'good' debate ('good' being relative, because he just wanted to make people mad and lose it on him...like I said, an a-hole). I've often told him that a man that stands for nothing will fall for anything.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Is it just me, or does anyone else take these statements as looking for ways to get rid of Vick?
I'd heard last night Vicks contract was very complicated due to being revised so many times. They're probably search for a way to wack him without taking it up the poop shoot
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
That is my stance. My dad used to say you have one thing that you were born with and it is your name (meaning your word) and if you lose that to those around you, then what is the point of even being around anyone. Something to that effect.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
I can't decide if that statement is a crawfish manuever or if Blank and the Falcons are really being pro-active.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Many of us were brought up that way.... Some were brought up to change your name from Michael Vick, to Ron Mexico, to Mike Vick!!
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Many of us were brought up that way.... Some were brought up to change your name from Michael Vick, to Ron Mexico, to Mike Vick!!
yeah the whole name change to 'Mike' Vick I thought was just great. like he was going for a tougher image now that he was in the NFL.
it was like when Ricky Schroeder was on Silver Spoons and he was like all young and pure as the driven snow and then it got cancelled and he couldn't get a job so he started wanting everyone to call him 'Rick' Schroeder thinking that would make people take him seriously....dude your Ricky Schroeder....your a good dye job and a few heroin/steroid binges away from being Danny Bonaduce...get over yourself.
and Michael Vick is Ookie or Mike or whatever the hell his name is today. It will probably be Prisoner #1337 soon. Didn't Ricky Schroeder have a role on that show where the fat guy shows his arse all the time...NYPD Blue I think was the name of it...
Porky
Hall of Fame
Well, I kind of wonder if they might be stalling while pursuing a legal way to terminate his contract without taking a huge cap hit. They might be able to sue him for breach of contract or something similar. If that were granted, the NFL might not count it against the cap. I think that is a fair outcome for the the Birds, and also that way Vick doesn't earn another dime, again, that is also fair imo.
Anyone think they would take Matt Schaub back for our two second rounders now?
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Well, I kind of wonder if they might be stalling while pursuing a legal way to terminate his contract without taking a huge cap hit. They might be able to sue him for breach of contract or something similar. If that were granted, the NFL might not count it against the cap. I think that is a fair outcome for the the Birds, and also that way Vick doesn't earn another dime, again, that is also fair imo.
Anyone think they would take Matt Schaub back for our two second rounders now?
There is no way in hell that Atlanta will get back any of the cap space that a prorated remaining signing bonus would count if they released him.
They may be able to get the actual signing bonus money back but not what it occupies within their salary cap structure. what is done is done and that money is spent and has to go somewhere. it counts against their camp in any situation whether it be trade or release. that is why you dont give players huge signing bonuses.
Porky
Hall of Fame
But, if the player defaults on his contract, couldn't the NFL then come in and effectively cancel the cap implications because the Falcons are releasing him due to the player defaulting on his end of the contract? Might not be possible, but I could see an exception being made.
R
real
Guest
Porky was talking about Posses, crews, and homeboys....then he mentioned "or whatever is hip these days"...or something to that extent....
Pac-Man and Vick are surrounded by geurillas...
that's what they call them...
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
I think it all depends how the contract is structured. They might be able to get some of the bonus money back from Vick. IIRC, Jake Plummer has to either play for TB or pay 6-8 million in bonus money back.
I could be totally wrong on this too and it wouldn't surprise me.
shades:
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
It was about what the "hip" crowd call their respective crews, or possies, etc. in todays society...
Pay attention son!!!
*EDIT* Xtru posted while I was typing I think. Hunting and pecking sucks!!
Koolaid Time
Drink Up!
And I don't like the way Blank is handling his $90 million dollar THUG.
And while I don't buy Atlanta Falcons season tickets... I DO own Home Depot stock that I am selling tomorrow.. and I'm sending Mr. Blank a personal letter that says:
1. I am very disappointed with how you handled the Vick situation. If the NFL isn't going to suspend this lowlife, YOU should.
2. Blanks' handling of the Vick situation has a negative reflection on his other business enterprises, a/k/a "Home Depot"..
3. I'm selling my Home Depot stock, and I'm encouraging other stockholders to do likewise.
4. From now on, I'm buying my lumber and hardware at Lowe's.. for one reason alone....
LOEW'S DOESN'T EMPLOY DOG KILLERS...
ARTHUR BLANK DOES...
Blazing Arrow
Work'n da grill
I thought they were called "soul'juz"
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
Thank you for the clarification.
R
real
Guest
Yeah, that was in the late nineties and the early part of this decade...
Back when Master P. was hott...
No problem...
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Petrino was looking for an excuse to get rid of Vick, and Mexico delievered.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Quote:
4400 Falcon Parkway
Flowery Branch, GA
ATLANTAFALCONS.COM
July 19, 2007
A Message to our Fans:
We know youre anxious to hear more from us regarding the indictment of Michael Vick and its implications to the Falcons. Pleased be assured that we are working diligently on exploring our options and getting the right people involved in this situation.
This is an emotionally charged and complicated matter. ere are a wide range of interests and legal issues that need to be carefully considered as we move ahead, including our need to respect the due process that Michael is entitled to. Also, this situation affects everyone our club, our players and associates, our sponsors, our fans and the Atlanta community among
them so we must consider all of our customers in making any decisions.
Given the differing perspectives and strong feelings around this issue, we probably wont make everyone happy, but we are committed to doing the right thing. As the owner of this club thats, ultimately, my responsibility.
In the meantime, know that Im saddened and distressed about this not for myself, but for our fans and community who have been so loyal to us. We will do our very best to continue to earn your support.
Arthur M. Blank
Owner & CEO
My translation: I ain't doing nothing until I have to..
4400 Falcon Parkway
Flowery Branch, GA
ATLANTAFALCONS.COM
July 19, 2007
A Message to our Fans:
We know youre anxious to hear more from us regarding the indictment of Michael Vick and its implications to the Falcons. Pleased be assured that we are working diligently on exploring our options and getting the right people involved in this situation.
This is an emotionally charged and complicated matter. ere are a wide range of interests and legal issues that need to be carefully considered as we move ahead, including our need to respect the due process that Michael is entitled to. Also, this situation affects everyone our club, our players and associates, our sponsors, our fans and the Atlanta community among
them so we must consider all of our customers in making any decisions.
Given the differing perspectives and strong feelings around this issue, we probably wont make everyone happy, but we are committed to doing the right thing. As the owner of this club thats, ultimately, my responsibility.
In the meantime, know that Im saddened and distressed about this not for myself, but for our fans and community who have been so loyal to us. We will do our very best to continue to earn your support.
Arthur M. Blank
Owner & CEO
My translation: I ain't doing nothing until I have to..
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
nope. this past offseason they even put specific language in the rulebook that puts the burden on the team. basically if you draft a bad apple, you only have yourself to blame and the NFL isnt going to make it any easier drafting players of questionable character.
Hagar
Drink up yall, its the Texans!
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I would not be even a little bit surprised to find that the Falcons have had a number of contingency plans in place to get rid of Vick for the past couple of years. My own opinion is that they're going to wait a certain amount of time before they move but that they already know exactly where and how they're going to move. The only thing they're waiting for is for one of these charges to truly stick hard to Michael Vick so that they don't jump the gun and look more foolish than need be.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Yes, that was a given. It is interesting to note that if the charges against Vick prove to be true and the Falcons/NFL seem to be scrambling to find a way to put Vick on the field anyway then PETA would actually be in the right to protest the NFL. Where dog fighting is concerned I think I'm on the PETA side (and I'm almost never on the PETA side of anything)
It remains to be seen whether or not this happens but I guess it would be one more example of the law of averages being true. Eventually even PETA was bound to be in the right about something.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
From what I've heard, if they cut him, he's a $7 million cap hit this year and a $15 million cap hit next year. That's OK this year but next year, that's hard. I think they were hoping to get at least 1 more good year out of him before making the decision.
And Blanks pulled a McNair, he wanted to show his guy that he was behind him and made a mistake.
Koolaid Time
Drink Up!
My translation: I ain't doing nothing until I have to..
The Feds are obviously holding something back... here you have an interstate dog fighting opeartion that involved gambling.
The Feds usually tack on RICO violations, money laundering and tax evasion counts in cases like this.
As for Arthur Blank.. I thought any player involved in illegal gambling warranted immediate suspension. I guess he doesn't have the guts to do the right thing until the NFL gives him a salary cap exception for suspending Vick.
And guess who has been amazingly silent during this whole mess:
Jesse Jackson
Al Sharpton
Former Congress-Thing Cynthia McKinney
Do they know that when you sleep with Dog Fighters you are likely to catch fleas and ticks?
I'll be in Atlanta this weekend, so it will be interesting to see it unfold first hand.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
The Feds are obviously holding something back... here you have an interstate dog fighting opeartion that involved gambling.
The Feds usually tack on RICO violations, money laundering and tax evasion counts in cases like this.
As for Arthur Blank.. I thought any player involved in illegal gambling warranted immediate suspension. I guess he doesn't have the guts to do the right thing until the NFL gives him a salary cap exception for suspending Vick.
And guess who has been amazingly silent during this whole mess:
Jesse Jackson
Al Sharpton
Former Congress-Thing Cynthia McKinney
Do they know that when you sleep with Dog Fighters you are likely to catch fleas and ticks?
I'll be in Atlanta this weekend, so it will be interesting to see it unfold first hand.
I think they will avoid RICO. It is extremely tough to prosecute. I think the feds beleive the interstate dog operations are enough to hammer him.
Also, don't forget the various states where the dog fighting occurred (allegedly) can also bring a slew of charges. If the charges do not include the interstate issues, it would not be considered double jeopardy.. Therefore many of the states can come loaded for bear too.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Sounds like big Al has his head screwed on straight when it comes to this topic. It is shameful that humans can treat other living creatures like this for their own sadistic selfish pleasures.
awtysst
Draft Guru
Well I guess when you are Al sharpton and you throw darts at issues, you are bound to be on the right side of the issue one of these days.
mike moffat
All Pro
Man. This thing stinks so bad that even Al Sharpton got one right. Truly is a sad state of affairs.
And it's even more shameful that some people are willing to look the other way and excuse animal cruelty and brutality because they just want to be entertained.
Porky
Hall of Fame
OMG. The end of times truly are near. The Rev Al is on the right side of an issue, where the primary target is a black man, and I am learning is also pervasive among his culture. Congrats to Al Sharpton for doing the right thing, not the politically expedient thing. I have at least a small dose of newfound respect for this man. Good Job Rev Al!
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
yup, just like I thought. the NFL and the Falcons look like they are going to give Vick something similar to a paid 'leave of absence' until the courtcase is resolved. The league and the Falcons don't want Vick around this year and this plan saves face with both factions of fans both anti and pro-vick.
Basically Blank doesnt want to piss off his African-American fans of whom a large segment are throwing the white flag of racist conspiracy on this while the rest of the fanbase wants him gone yesterday based on the facts already known. No one wants a fanbase split along racial lines and if Vick started playing it could get ugly amongst the Falcon fans. This way Blank throws an olive branch to both factions of fans and doesnt take the huge cap hit of releasing unless Vick is ultimately convicted.
Probably the smartest play for Blank at the moment. There will be no salary cap clemency for Blank. It is against the CBA and the owner's agreement. If Vick is released, they are in the hole for a lot of money against the salary cap.
if Vick is convicted, he would be suspended and lose the pay. if Vick is acquitted, he would be able to come back to the league next year and would keep the money he made through his leave of absence.
Personally, I would just suspend the guy for 8 weeks right up front without pay for conduct detrimental to the league and then suspend him for more if a jury finds him guilty. I know the NFLPA has to look out for their players so they just want Vick to continue to get paid until he is found guilty....and personally I dont have a problem with that.
Vick wont be playing this year
Vick will get paid until the court case is over
Vick will get convicted and never play for Falcons again but probably not in the NFL again
here is the link:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2943276
Basically Blank doesnt want to piss off his African-American fans of whom a large segment are throwing the white flag of racist conspiracy on this while the rest of the fanbase wants him gone yesterday based on the facts already known. No one wants a fanbase split along racial lines and if Vick started playing it could get ugly amongst the Falcon fans. This way Blank throws an olive branch to both factions of fans and doesnt take the huge cap hit of releasing unless Vick is ultimately convicted.
Probably the smartest play for Blank at the moment. There will be no salary cap clemency for Blank. It is against the CBA and the owner's agreement. If Vick is released, they are in the hole for a lot of money against the salary cap.
if Vick is convicted, he would be suspended and lose the pay. if Vick is acquitted, he would be able to come back to the league next year and would keep the money he made through his leave of absence.
Personally, I would just suspend the guy for 8 weeks right up front without pay for conduct detrimental to the league and then suspend him for more if a jury finds him guilty. I know the NFLPA has to look out for their players so they just want Vick to continue to get paid until he is found guilty....and personally I dont have a problem with that.
Vick wont be playing this year
Vick will get paid until the court case is over
Vick will get convicted and never play for Falcons again but probably not in the NFL again
here is the link:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2943276
Porky
Hall of Fame
NFL, Falcons could ask Vick to focus energies in court
ESPN is running the following story. Click the link above for the entire story:
ATLANTA -- In what has quickly evolved into a collaborative effort that includes the input of officials from the NFL, the NFL Players Association and the Atlanta Falcons, embattled quarterback Michael Vick could be urged to take a voluntary leave of absence to focus his energy on the legal challenges from a federal dogfighting indictment confronting him, sources said Thursday and Friday.
There are, however, two critical components that must be resolved: Falcons owner Arthur Blank must be on board with a plan that has generated considerable discussion at the league level the past two days. And Vick, who might be reluctant to accept even a paid hiatus from the game, might have to be convinced that the leave could be his best option right now.
Blank and the Falcons might also be considering other options.
Under the leave-of-absence scenario, and given the projected timeline of any trial that could ensue from the federal indictments brought against the quarterback Tuesday, all parties would enter into the agreement, if it is consummated, with the expectation that Vick would probably miss the entire 2007 season.
ESPN is running the following story. Click the link above for the entire story:
ATLANTA -- In what has quickly evolved into a collaborative effort that includes the input of officials from the NFL, the NFL Players Association and the Atlanta Falcons, embattled quarterback Michael Vick could be urged to take a voluntary leave of absence to focus his energy on the legal challenges from a federal dogfighting indictment confronting him, sources said Thursday and Friday.
There are, however, two critical components that must be resolved: Falcons owner Arthur Blank must be on board with a plan that has generated considerable discussion at the league level the past two days. And Vick, who might be reluctant to accept even a paid hiatus from the game, might have to be convinced that the leave could be his best option right now.
Blank and the Falcons might also be considering other options.
Under the leave-of-absence scenario, and given the projected timeline of any trial that could ensue from the federal indictments brought against the quarterback Tuesday, all parties would enter into the agreement, if it is consummated, with the expectation that Vick would probably miss the entire 2007 season.
R
real
Guest
I thought about it and there is no way the Falcons can run this guy out onto the field as their QB next year...that has 'bad situation' written all over it...
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
At this point, I dont think a paid leave of absence for Vick is 'enough' that would quiet the masses and potential protestors. PETA certainly wouldn't back-off for a paid leave of absence...
The NFL should just hand down a years suspension. Afterall this case may go on for months, not to mention if states file individual cases on him. The quicker they distance themselves from him, the better off for the NFL as a whole.
The NFL should just hand down a years suspension. Afterall this case may go on for months, not to mention if states file individual cases on him. The quicker they distance themselves from him, the better off for the NFL as a whole.