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Breaking News: Vick Indicted

Mr. White said:
So I guess we're not talking about some white collar resort prison. No, no, no! We're talking about federal POUND ME IN THE @$$ prison!

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LMAO..love that line and movie.
 
threetoedpete said:
Well this trial(s) is going to cost a multipul millions to execute. If they keep getting hung juries, and with the recent incidendts comming out of California trials, one should hope that these guys could see the writting on the wall. At some point they will cut their losses. And yes, it's sad to be this cynical that multipul hung juries under over whelming evidence is a true proposition in an american court room. But , those are the facts in america to day. It is more improtant to be politically correct than to confront the truth. He won't throw himself on the mercy of the court. He does that the NFL is gone and so is the contract. If they don't convict him it means jurors igonred the facts and avoided voir dire.
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Why captalize the word California and the letters NFL but not America or American? Just asking, not trying to be the grammar police or anything, curious if its inentional.
 
swtbound07 said:
or he is INNOCENT...but don't let that stand in your way of yoru presumption of guilt.
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They have everything but the video tape SWT. You're clinging to hope for your guy is comendable, but you need to go re read some of the posts. They'd still be fishing if they didn't have the goods. Federal prosecutors don't run for office. They are appointed. There is no good politcal reason for them to go after Vick. None. If anything, with the shape that Bush is in I gotta feeling the last thing they wanted to do is make a public spectical of a black man being ravaged by a federal court. Better go next year. I got a feeling that will be your last chance to see MV live in an NFL uniform.
 
Elle said:
Actually Porky, SWT does care about babies and human life. When we got into the whole Vick thing in another thread, he stated that he thought lawmakers and cops should do more to protect humans, especially those. Go after real criminals. Dogs just didn't have the same priority for him.

I hope I parphrased you properly, Ben.

HoustonFrog, I know you are an attorney, but I almost became one. One case made me throw the idea out. It wasn't a Federal case but was linked to one. Some ass got through the jury and blew us away. I'd tell the story but it's too long winded. I just do not trust juries to always do the right thing. If I was Vick, my new career would be singing...as in like a bird to the Feds and writing, too! As in checks. Lot's of them for fines, setting up animal care facilities, free spay and nueter clinics for the entire state of VA, and other worthwhile things so my ass wasn't dressed in orange. But, if he fights it and gets jail time, he can always pen the script to the next jailhouse football movie and star in it with all the other NFL criminals.
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thought you werent speaking ever since you found out how i feel about mr. reggie?
 
Hardcore Texan said:
Why captalize the word California and the letters NFL but not America or American? Just asking, not trying to be the grammar police or anything, curious if its inentional.
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I couldn't decide since i was using it as an adjective to describe a court room and since it wasn't the United States, whether it was proper. If I made an error I appologise. I took a shot and guessed wrong.
 
Elle said:
Well, SWT won't be on that jury anyway, so....it's just his opinion.




Yeah, and I wasn't talking to you after the divorce and that Campbell jersey either. I happen to agree with you that someone with a spot in thier heart for Vick will avoid the voir dire trap and he'll walk. It's the way people view celebs these days. Given what I've seen Grisham write, anything is possible. Hell, I avoid jury duty like the plague and I take a well worn copy of The Runaway Jury anytime I get called and place a bookmark 3/4 of the way through. Once either side sees me reading intently, sees that I used to work in law, they kick my ass out in a hurry. It's a race to see who will disqualify me first. :)
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yeah...pretty sure im not in the jury pool. im a grisham fan as well. i'd love to be on jury duty...justice depending on my current mood appeals to me. odd that your the one in this thread that agrees with me about how it will shake out.....i would have thought you would have been championing the pro-dog cause. life's funny.
 
Elle said:
Actually Porky, SWT does care about babies and human life. When we got into the whole Vick thing in another thread, he stated that he thought lawmakers and cops should do more to protect humans, especially those. Go after real criminals. Dogs just didn't have the same priority for him.

I hope I parphrased you properly, Ben.

HoustonFrog, I know you are an attorney, but I almost became one. One case made me throw the idea out. It wasn't a Federal case but was linked to one. Some ass got through the jury and blew us away. I'd tell the story but it's too long winded. I just do not trust juries to always do the right thing. If I was Vick, my new career would be singing...as in like a bird to the Feds and writing, too! As in checks. Lot's of them for fines, setting up animal care facilities, free spay and nueter clinics for the entire state of VA, and other worthwhile things so my ass wasn't dressed in orange. But, if he fights it and gets jail time, he can always pen the script to the next jailhouse football movie and star in it with all the other NFL criminals.
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there are many day I wish I had followed suit:)You are right. His main goal right now is to do what his co-defendants and everyone else is doing, turn...turn on all of them and minimize what he may have known or have been a part of. I think his main problem is that a few of the witnesses claim he was there for some dog deaths...training..and so forth. Just bow down before the court and see what you can work out.
 
Elle said:
I agree that if he's convicted, he'll be banned for life so he won't need to be fired. However, I really doubt that if he goes to jail that those criminals in there are going to care very much and make him someone's Sweet Sadie. He'll be on a thrown and no Bubba is going to tuck him in at night. He's MV. They won't lay a hand on him. That's where he'll find all the support he needs in the world. Criminals caring about dog fighting? Doubtful.
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Next time the History channel runs one of the gang series...you really need to take a look. They don't do those things for the enjoyment of it. They do those things for the pain it inflicts. Intimadation. It's a different world in prison. They don't think like us. You're either the man or the female dog. Vick might get lucky and hit a minimum security unit. First offense and all. He might get by with by joining a gang. If they give him protection, it's going to cost him so much a month.


The animal lover guys will want him doing hard time. You can see that for sure with all of the posts. They won't be satisfied now that the details have come out untill they have thier pound of flesh. The bear snatches a boy out of a Utah camp grounds, the first words out of their mouths was how did the boy and his family tempt the bear.
 
Elle said:
Well, SWT won't be on that jury anyway, so....it's just his opinion. However, something may surface and the guy might REALLY be innocent. It's our country's law to reserve a guilty verdict until PROVEN. I want that right and I'm sure all of us do.




Yeah, and I wasn't talking to you after the divorce and that Campbell jersey either. I happen to agree with you that someone with a spot in thier heart for Vick will avoid the voir dire trap and he'll walk. It's the way people view celebs these days. Given what I've seen Grisham write, anything is possible. Hell, I avoid jury duty like the plague and I take a well worn copy of The Runaway Jury anytime I get called and place a bookmark 3/4 of the way through. Once either side sees me reading intently, sees that I used to work in law, they kick my ass out in a hurry. It's a race to see who will disqualify me first. :)
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I take a Rush Limbaugh book. And hold it high so the judge orders (me)all reading material be put it away. I have no illusions about this thing. If he walks , I wouldn't be at all shocked. I don't think an AG would push his chips to the middle of the table unless he was prety darn sure he was going to get a convition. Last thing he would want is to loose this thing the year befor the other party takes over. He's going to be fired no matter what. But if he wins he gets his foot in the door somewhere. I don't lie in vior dire I tell the unvarnsihed truth. Usually that's good enough.
 
The 2 most important things that strike me

with regards to the NFL... Vick met with Goodell in April 2007 and denied any/all involvement. Vick was indicted for fighting and killing dogs in April 2007.

with regards to the courts... where is Davon Broddie. He told everyone it was his fault but isn't named anywhere on the indictment.
 
Elle said:
Petey, I don't think MV is going to be sagging in jail if he goes. Call it a hunch, but criminals are probably going to say..."I like dogs and he's scum" or..."Holy Crap. It's Vick!" I see more ass kissing than anything else.

"Hey Mikey. I'm out in 3 months bro....I weigh 295 and am 6'7. I'll watch ya man, I'll watch ya."
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If Vick was put in with the general population he wouldn't be touched by anyone...

Believe it or not, but Vick would probably have mad respect in there...

He's rich, and money talks...
 
i wonder how many of you were calling the duke lacrosse kids scum and saying the prosecution was a slam dunk based on anecdotal evidence.
 
swtbound07 said:
i wonder how many of you were calling the duke lacrosse kids scum and saying the prosecution was a slam dunk based on anecdotal evidence.
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I am so glad you mentioned it, because this story has been going on for months, the duke kids got charged pretty quickly, and the girls story changed 3 times in the first 48 hours. So far I have not seen anyone change there story on this case, except maybe vicks cousin who said it was all on him and now he is not indited.

So I know you are trying to make this a race thing, you tried and failed.
 
Specnatz said:
I am so glad you mentioned it, because this story has been going on for months, the duke kids got charged pretty quickly, and the girls story changed 3 times in the first 48 hours. So far I have not seen anyone change there story on this case, except my vicks cousin who said it was all on him and now he is not indited.

So I know you are trying to make this a race thing, you tried and failed.
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Wasn't it a prostitute who wanted to charge them? Unless I'm thinking of something else. Eh..[shrugs shoulders]
 
swtbound07 said:
i wonder how many of you were calling the duke lacrosse kids scum and saying the prosecution was a slam dunk based on anecdotal evidence.
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Ahhh, a very astute and lucid question. First, let me preface this by saying I took issue when you stated that you would let him walk - even if he was guilty.

Second, I don't call Vick a scumbag over this indictment. Unlike you, I beleive in our Judicial system, so I do consider him innocent until proven guilty (although it isn't looking good for him - this is a Federal indictment and they usually have their ducks in a row).

Last, I call him a scumbag for spreading VD under the name Ron Mexico and flipping off fans that pay to see him play... If he is convicted of this, then I will add it to the list of why I call him a scumbag.
 
swtbound07 said:
i wonder how many of you were calling the duke lacrosse kids scum and saying the prosecution was a slam dunk based on anecdotal evidence.
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Actually I supported them in their case and that was an ENTIRELY different scenario. There were conflicting reports from Day 1 about what happened. She and her friends told different stories. You also had a renegade DA who, despite ATM receipts and other evidence, went forward with the States case. People saw that coming from a mile away. I hate to beat a dead horse but you need to step back and look at the differences and what people are saying. This is a federal crime. They put teams on this so they don't rush to judgement. The would not file without pretty concrete proof and that is exactly why they successfully prosecute 95%...because they are picky and do their business by the book. This isn't some nickel and dime case with someone trying to get reelected. Not all cases are the same. This investigation has run for months now before it was even submitted, unlike the Duke case.
 
Elle said:
I think you're right. The girl was a dancer or hooker or something like that. Can't recall exactly and I also shrug my shoulders.

I don't think SWT meant to make this a race thing. It was a rush to judgement thing.
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Maybe, but the difference is that the investagtion into Vick and the dog fighting started in April, it's now July...safe to say there has not been anything like the rush to judgement that happened in the Duke Lacross case.
 
i don't think its a race thing. I'm not even worried about that particular card. I just see an astonishing amount of vitriol for somebody who hasn't been convicted of anything and is facing a first indictment. Some of you will still be calling for his head after he walks. Good for ya, but im telling you, there are thousands of fans like me, and whether its right or wrong, we aint convicting him.
 
swtbound07 said:
i don't think its a race thing. I'm not even worried about that particular card. I just see an astonishing amount of vitriol for somebody who hasn't been convicted of anything and is facing a first indictment. Some of you will still be calling for his head after he walks. Good for ya, but im telling you, there are thousands of fans like me, and whether its right or wrong, we aint convicting him.
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"We're with you"

Signed,

Orenthal James Fans
 
Texan_Bill said:
"We're with you"

Signed,

Orenthal James Fans
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my point exactly. he walked. here is a side question for ya'll....ya'll seem to keep throwing this 95 percent conviction rate at me. do you think that 95 percent of the people the government throws up there are guilty? you have a lot of faith in a really crappy organization. i don't assume they are accurate in prosecuting vick just because they are the government.
 
swtbound07 said:
my point exactly. he walked. here is a side question for ya'll....ya'll seem to keep throwing this 95 percent conviction rate at me. do you think that 95 percent of the people the government throws up there are guilty? you have a lot of faith in a really crappy organization. i don't assume they are accurate in prosecuting vick just because they are the government.
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And because of people like you, a murderer walks amongst us.
 
swtbound07 said:
my point exactly. he walked. here is a side question for ya'll....ya'll seem to keep throwing this 95 percent conviction rate at me. do you think that 95 percent of the people the government throws up there are guilty? you have a lot of faith in a really crappy organization. i don't assume they are accurate in prosecuting vick just because they are the government.
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There is a slight difference between a Federal prosecuter and the cast of moron's that failed to get OJ convicted.
 
swtbound07 said:
i don't think its a race thing. I'm not even worried about that particular card. I just see an astonishing amount of vitriol for somebody who hasn't been convicted of anything and is facing a first indictment. Some of you will still be calling for his head after he walks. Good for ya, but im telling you, there are thousands of fans like me, and whether its right or wrong, we aint convicting him.
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Thank God for people like you!

Signed,

Oranthal J. Simpson
 
Mick Vick is on the wrong side of PETA and the Humane Society. He is going to need a lot more than money on his side.

Combine that with people generally having more sympathy for animals (particularly dogs), Vick is on an uphill struggle.

One thing to consider, it is common in these type of organizations to steal other people's pets and use them to get the Pit Bulls excited to rip them to shreds. It's basically a training tool. Imagine a prosecutor explaining how they used docile Labs to train these Pit Bulls to become killers.

Once all the details come out (meaning how things ran at this location) in the trial, Mick Vick isn't going to stand a chance. The Feds are not playing around here and wouldn't be doing this if they didn't have rock solid case. There is too much to lose on their end with all the political pressure.

I think one of the 3 other guys is going to crack and testify against Vick, if not all of them. Those guys are definitely cooked, and it's just a matter of how much time they want to spend in jail for Vick or take a shorter sentence. Vick then takes a plea and all the sorted details are not openly discussed at trial.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
There is a slight difference between a Federal prosecuter and the cast of moron's that failed to get OJ convicted.
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but the same morons are the jury of his peers. it just takes one like me, and in the state where he plays? you kiddin me? no chance for a conviction. if there is me in TEXAS, what do you think there is in georgia. a world of us.
 
swtbound07 said:
but the same morons are the jury of his peers. it just takes one like me, and in the state where he plays? you kiddin me? no chance for a conviction. if there is me in TEXAS, what do you think there is in georgia. a world of us.
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Did you just call yourself a moron??
 
swtbound07 said:
but the same morons are the jury of his peers. it just takes one like me, and in the state where he plays? you kiddin me? no chance for a conviction. if there is me in TEXAS, what do you think there is in georgia. a world of us.
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Are saying, regardless if all the compelling and rational evidence points to conviction, you wouldn't vote for a conviction against Vick if on the jury?

If so, why?

I don't understand why you are so passionate about this guy. Is he a relative? Does he pay you money? Have you even met the guy in person? What is the relationship here if you won't convict on any grounds?

I just don't understand where you are coming from.
 
swtbound07 said:
but the same morons are the jury of his peers. it just takes one like me, and in the state where he plays? you kiddin me? no chance for a conviction. if there is me in TEXAS, what do you think there is in georgia. a world of us.
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See the difference I don't blame teh jury for wahat happened with OJ, I blame Ito and the DA'a office.

Also people like you tend to not wind up on jury's...thankfully.
 
swtbound07 said:
but the same morons are the jury of his peers. it just takes one like me, and in the state where he plays? you kiddin me? no chance for a conviction. if there is me in TEXAS, what do you think there is in georgia. a world of us.
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I beleive the state the indictment was filed in was Virginia.
 
hollywood_texan said:
Are saying, regardless if all the compelling and rational evidence points to conviction, you wouldn't vote for a conviction against Vick if on the jury?

If so, why?

I don't understand why you are so passionate about this guy. Is he a relative? Does he pay you money? Have you even met the guy in person? What is the relationship here if you won't convict on any grounds?

I just don't understand where you are coming from.
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IRREGARDLESS (my favorite word, fwiw) of any evidence, i wouldn't vote for vick. I have a vested financial interest in michael vick and the atlanta falcons winning the super bowl this season. Besides, I like to watch him play more than i give a crap about dogs.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
There is a slight difference between a Federal prosecuter and the cast of moron's that failed to get OJ convicted.
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I agree and was about to make the same point. I don't pretend to trust the government on all things but I also think when it comes to their courts and how they conduct their business, it is much more "professional" in nature or business like then we see in State cases.

swtbound07 said:
i don't think its a race thing. I'm not even worried about that particular card. I just see an astonishing amount of vitriol for somebody who hasn't been convicted of anything and is facing a first indictment. Some of you will still be calling for his head after he walks. Good for ya, but im telling you, there are thousands of fans like me, and whether its right or wrong, we aint convicting him.
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Actually he was on my fantasy team as a backup last year and I like watching him play. I just separate blind hero worship and crime. Your arguments sound like a high school girlfriend that can't get over her ex. I don't want to see innocent men convicted. You are just being a little callous regarding the situation.
 
swtbound07 said:
i wonder how many of you were calling the duke lacrosse kids scum and saying the prosecution was a slam dunk based on anecdotal evidence.
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Specnatz said:
I am so glad you mentioned it, because this story has been going on for months, the duke kids got charged pretty quickly, and the girls story changed 3 times in the first 48 hours. So far I have not seen anyone change there story on this case, except my vicks cousin who said it was all on him and now he is not indited.

So I know you are trying to make this a race thing, you tried and failed.
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Excellent response to that, Specnatz.

Pulling out the race card means that SWT is all out of excuses for Mr. Vick.
 
swtbound07 said:
IRREGARDLESS (my favorite word, fwiw) of any evidence, i wouldn't vote for vick. I have a vested financial interest in michael vick and the atlanta falcons winning the super bowl this season. Besides, I like to watch him play more than i give a crap about dogs.
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degenerate gambler
narcissistic and self centered
inhumane

you even predicted Carr would be back...you guaranteed it...

*DING DING* we have a winner for **** of the year award
 
Elle said:
I might agree with you if we see evidence that Vick trained the dogs. If his cousin and other scum ran the camp, but Vick just owned the land, my U.S. Citizenship will call for those Feds to nail the guys who used stolen house pets for training. Someone else better get indicted here or we have another Salem on our hands. I won't care at that point except to start screaming for Vick's rights. The bastards that ran the place should be indicted right now. Who else has been? He isn't the only one involved, yet is he the only one indicted????

That's sickening.

Vick may be knowlegable, but he didn't run this job alone.
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Elle, three other have alos been indicted. Also there are reports that Vick personally witnessed the execution of dogs that failed to perform.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2940312&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos2

If the dogs failed the test, the indictment charges, they were executed by hanging or drowning. In one case, with Vick present, the indictment says a dog was slammed to the ground until it was dead. In another incident, a dog was soaked with a hose, then electrocuted. Those aren't the sort of transgressions that lead to probation and community service. It's the kind of behavior that results in punishment, and the punishment will be jail time.
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Vick will watch to see which of his three co-defendants will be the first to make a deal with federal prosecutors.
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swtbound07 said:
IRREGARDLESS (my favorite word, fwiw) of any evidence, i wouldn't vote for vick. I have a vested financial interest in michael vick and the atlanta falcons winning the super bowl this season. Besides, I like to watch him play more than i give a crap about dogs.
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What are the odds and how much did you put down?

Technically, irregardless isn't a word. But, I think you know that from your point. Maybe you can say "I love to say ..."
 
I agree with Elle and SWT....

I think Vick is guilty, and I hope he gets what's due to him, but that really doesn't matter....

What matters is whether or not they can prove it in court...
 
I have refrained from calling swt names because it is not approprite on here no matter what kind of person I think he is.

But I will say I have lost all respect for him, with quotes like this.....

IRREGARDLESS (my favorite word, fwiw) of any evidence, i wouldn't vote for vick. I have a vested financial interest in michael vick and the atlanta falcons winning the super bowl this season. Besides, I like to watch him play more than i give a crap about dogs.
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It shows his true character.

It is not about innocent until proven guilty, it is find him innocent and to hell with the American judicial system and to hell with America. I am sure China has a nice place for you to live and gamble.

:patriot
 
I hope Vick is found guilty because I think he had a substantial part in all of this, but I also hope the commish doesn't do anything until he's found guilty...
 
Elle said:
With reliable sources not people straight off the Sopranos cooking a deal for themselves. I want to see testimony from someone who didn't cut a deal. It's not a lot to ask.
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This line of thinking would have a lot of people not convicted.

Jeffrey Skilling and Ken Lay.
 
Vick Scmick, I heard Vince Young can beat up pit bulls with his bare hands.
 
Elle said:
With reliable sources not people straight off the Sopranos cooking a deal for themselves. I want to see testimony from someone who didn't cut a deal. It's not a lot to ask.
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Elle, I think you need to understand this sub-culture. No one is going to testify against Vick unless:

A. They are involved in this sub-culture, which means they are breaking the law, and
B. They stand a good chance of getting convicted of their crimes.

It's not like innocent people are hanging around these places to testify about this type of stuff.

You are expecting something that probably will never exist. And, therefore there would probably not be any convictions regarding this type of activity. The criminal justice system doesn't work like TV or the movies.
 
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