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Breaking News: Vick Indicted

Hoth-Boy said:
So according to the ESPN story posted above:





I'm starting to think that the fed's have built up a rock solid case, and that Vick will be lucky to get off with just an NFL suspension, even if it is a life-time ban.
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yeah methinks that Vick needs to play ball with the Feds and fess up to what really went down. people can get a second chance but only if they do what it takes.

Public Apology. Real Remorse. Make Amends. Cooperate With Authorities.
Basically he just needs to act like a normal human being and stop murdering dogs. I hope that isn't asking too much.
For some reason, I think it might be asking too much of him.
 
i like watching vick play football. dont' really care much about dogs. Seems pretty cut and dry to me. And if you think there won't be one vick fan on that jury just like me, your insane. I don't care what he did. it doesn't matter.
 
swtbound07 said:
i like watching vick play football. dont' really care much about dogs. Seems pretty cut and dry to me. And if you think there won't be one vick fan on that jury just like me, your insane. I don't care what he did. it doesn't matter.
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Nothing wrong with that argument,......... well except for said dog fighting is ILLEGAL!!!
 
swtbound07 said:
i like watching vick play football. dont' really care much about dogs. Seems pretty cut and dry to me. And if you think there won't be one vick fan on that jury just like me, your insane. I don't care what he did. it doesn't matter.
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Except the fact that it was a crime.

Yup good thing those laws only apply to use normal folk.

And people say there isn't a class system in America.
 
swtbound07 said:
i like watching vick play football. dont' really care much about dogs. Seems pretty cut and dry to me. And if you think there won't be one vick fan on that jury just like me, your insane. I don't care what he did. it doesn't matter.
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AGAIN, the problem with your theory is that is still won't excuse him of what he is involved with and double jeopardy won't attach. I would have no doubts they would just retry him again and try even harder to squeeze out any loon Vick fans from the crowd in voir dire. I don't want to bring race into it but Elle above said that it is the South so there is going to be rabid football fans. There also might be rabid racists or dog lovers or old people or whatever. There may have been and probably were rabid conservatives when Libby was prosecuted. These guys don't bat 95% because of a guy in a Vick jersey wanting to jump off the jury panel and into his arms. In actuality, we have laws because it DOES matter. Your arguments just don't fit here. It is a sad case of hero worship over morals.
 
swtbound07 said:
i like watching vick play football. dont' really care much about dogs. Seems pretty cut and dry to me. And if you think there won't be one vick fan on that jury just like me, your insane. I don't care what he did. it doesn't matter.
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No wonder your defending Vick, you seem to have the same belief system.
 
i think if you think a jury convicts michael vick of anything your insane. Evidence doesn't matter in our legal system, money does, and vick has a lot of it. he walks, yall scream
 
swtbound07 said:
i like watching vick play football. dont' really care much about dogs. Seems pretty cut and dry to me. And if you think there won't be one vick fan on that jury just like me, your insane. I don't care what he did. it doesn't matter.
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I can GUARANTEE you that a federal prosecutor will not let anyone on that jury that would ever conceivably let Vick's football ability and/or fame influence their judgement on said case. You can be a Falcons fan and/or NFL fan but no one with the indifference to right and wrong will get within 100 yards of that jury. This isn't paying a speeding ticket. This is federal courts, federal judges, and federal attorneys. This is the big leagues. There is a reason they have an over 95% conviction rate on their indictments. SWT is obviously just trolling and trying to be Contrarian of the Day. Congratulations on being the token Vick troll of this board.
 
swtbound07 said:
i think if you think a jury convicts michael vick of anything your insane. Evidence doesn't matter in our legal system, money does, and vick has a lot of it. he walks, yall scream
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Yeah, run that theory by Ken Lay and Scooter Libby (who only got off because of a W pardon...don't think Vick can call in one of those.)
 
swtbound07 said:
and? a lot of things are illegal that i don't think should be.
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Really doesn't matter what you think should or shouldn't be illegal, until the law changes its ILLEGAL...

If you knowingly let someone walk when they are guilty, than you have lied - under oath (which is also illegal), and deficated on our entire legal system and Country.

*Disclaimer before this thread gets highjacked* I know our legal system has its flaws, but as far as I am concerned its the best in the world....
 
Elle said:
It's illegal. But, it's very popular in the South...obviously. SWT is probably not the only one thinking that it shouldn't be illegal. I think a lot of people need to expect Vick to get through it because he has fans and people in the South have a different culture than we have here or people in Cali have. You hear what I'm saying? This may not be a slam dunk in court. What Goddell does is another matter, but the public may not convict.
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its not that i think it should be illegal or shouldn't. I just don't care about dogs. i dont' think vick gets convicted. Like it or not, athletes walk.
 
Elle said:
It's illegal. But, it's very popular in the South...obviously. SWT is probably not the only one thinking that it shouldn't be illegal. I think a lot of people need to expect Vick to get through it because he has fans and people in the South have a different culture than we have here or people in Cali have. You hear what I'm saying? This may not be a slam dunk in court. What Goddell does is another matter, but the public may not convict.
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We will ensure that the jury "of peers" is made up of 12 PETA members. Think they'll convict??
 
Elle said:
It's illegal. But, it's very popular in the South...obviously. SWT is probably not the only one thinking that it shouldn't be illegal. I think a lot of people need to expect Vick to get through it because he has fans and people in the South have a different culture than we have here or people in Cali have. You hear what I'm saying? This may not be a slam dunk in court. What Goddell does is another matter, but the public may not convict.
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Maybe he isn't but the South is full of alot of things, as I stated above, and here in Houston and Texas people are just as disgusted as most. I really don't think people grasp the severity of a federal indictment. Money and celebrity aren't going to come into play here with the evidence they put on. Voir Dire is made for getting rid of many of these people.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Federal indictments are a little different than regular indictments you might see at the County Courthouse. The Feds don't take the case to the GJ unless they feel they can win. That is why the win 95% of their cases. Richmond is particularly harsh when it comes to these things. They have multiple witnesses against him and I'm sure other defendants will roll. Read this article that just came out. I've been saying this all along but the Feds don''t screw around. People thinking this is just a way to get a celeb, etc don't know about the Feds and how they go about business.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2940312
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The only thing different about the two is that the federal AG guys are being groomed to be appellate judges, and supremes. They're suposed to be just a little smarter than the average prosecutor. I stand by what I posted. I agree with you in that they are not on a fishing expedition on this one. They got the goods in the bag. But again this thing is going to break down racial lines and all it takes, as SWT is posting, is one jurior to avoid Voir Dire. Only one. Doesn't matter how many are throwing MV to the wolves. It only takes one. And we currently do not prosecute purjury in this country.
 
swtbound07 said:
its not that i think it should be illegal or shouldn't. I just don't care about dogs. i dont' think vick gets convicted. Like it or not, athletes walk.
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On DWIs, not federal charges based on the laws they spelled out. The only thing his money will get is top attorneys and they haven't gotten the Ken Lays and Skillings out of any trouble. Seriously, you need to think about this.
 
swtbound07 said:
its not that i think it should be illegal or shouldn't. I just don't care about dogs. i dont' think vick gets convicted. Like it or not, athletes walk.
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Yup just like Tank Johnson, Ralph Sampson, Mike Tyson, Ray Carruth, Nate Newton, etc. None of them ever served a second of jail time. :gun:
 
threetoedpete said:
The only thing different about the two is that the federal AG guys are being groomed to be appellate judges, and supremes. They're suposed to be just a little smarter than the average prosecutor. I stand by what I posted. I agree with you in that they are not on a fishing expedition on this one. They got the goods in the bag. But again this thing is going to break down racial lines and all it takes, as SWT is posting, is one jurior to avoid Voir Dire. Only one. Doesn't matter how many are throwing MV to the wolves. It only takes one. And we currently do not prosect purjury in this country.
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:gun: AGAIN, one just hangs the jury for a mistrial. They can then prosecute again. It does not exonerrate him. So you really think he will want to take his chances again. He plays with the Feds and deals or they try him again probably. SWT told us it was in the bag that Carr was back, so I'll take my chances with him getting his wish here. His only hope is that a deal lets him throw himself on their mercy and he is under their grips for years. If they don't convicet him it won't be because of a Vick fan, it will be because they think that he had no involvement while owning the house.
 
swtbound07 said:
its not that i think it should be illegal or shouldn't. I just don't care about dogs. i dont' think vick gets convicted. Like it or not, athletes walk.
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Ok, we know. You don't care about dogs. You also don't care about babies, infants, or pretty much any human or animal life but your own, unless it happens to interfere with your entertainment. We get it already. Now go away and enjoy your sad little life. :gun:
 
Porky said:
Ok, we know. You don't care about dogs. You also don't care about babies, infants, or pretty much any human or animal life but your own, unless it happens to interfere with your entertainment. We get it already. Now go away and enjoy your sad little life. :gun:
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my opinion belongs in this thread as much as yours.
 
Elle said:
I used to work in law, so I know that people walk all the time. He's gonna get kicked real hard by the NFL but I don't think he'll be convicted. He'll give up his assests before he sits behind bars.
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If they get the conviction Elle two things will happen. Arthur Blank will void out MV's contract. And Goodel will slap a life time ban on him. He'll be toast and entertain bubba in the jail cell. He'll go from fighting dogs to being one...literally.
 
swtbound07 said:
i think if you think a jury convicts michael vick of anything your insane. Evidence doesn't matter in our legal system, money does, and vick has a lot of it. he walks, yall scream
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money doesnt matter. in fact, him having lots of money is actually a strike against him in this case. he doesnt get the sympathy of a disadvantaged youth who is in the dog fighting game because he can't find a job or didn't graduate high school.

vick was anointed a multi-millionaire and what was the first thing he did when he got paid? buy his mama a house? donate to his university? Nope, he started an illegal dog fighting clique and begain training and murdering dogs. That is like getting a key to the city and promptly shoving it up your nether regions. it just shows a level of disregard of the law and morality that is just reprehensible.

what can Vick's lawyer claim outside of the race card in defense of him? there is a money trail, a paper trail, and testimony against him by eyewitnesses and could be rolled on by his co-defendants. guy is toast. I do not necessarily think he will be put in federal prison but i do think he will have to serve some sort of restitution, admit guilt, and probably be suspended from the league for at least 1 season. A lifetime ban would be out of line imho unless more lurid details come out or if additional charges are levied.

this isn't Law And Order, this is real. $$ doesnt buy you leniency from the court. Only POWER does that and that only rarely works in criminal proceedings. Vick, although very wealthy, is not that powerful in this scenario. You can't buy off the Feds. local slack jawed attorney Poindexter? Maybe...but not a Fed.

oh wait...your trolling....nm :wink:
 
Elle said:
It's illegal. But, it's very popular in the South...obviously. SWT is probably not the only one thinking that it shouldn't be illegal. I think a lot of people need to expect Vick to get through it because he has fans and people in the South have a different culture than we have here or people in Cali have. You hear what I'm saying? This may not be a slam dunk in court. What Goddell does is another matter, but the public may not convict.
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Yes it is popular in certain parts of the south, but thank God most of those people do not register to vote or have criminal records so they can't vote so therefore they will not be called to serve on a jury.
 
Elle said:
I used to work in law, so I know that people walk all the time. He's gonna get kicked real hard by the NFL but I don't think he'll be convicted. He'll give up his assests before he sits behind bars.
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Elle, I'm an attorney now and people get in quite a mess with federal criminal charges. I don't think 95% is a good number when you are a defendant.
 
swtbound07 said:
its not that i think it should be illegal or shouldn't. I just don't care about dogs. i dont' think vick gets convicted. Like it or not, athletes walk.
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Even if he walks clean out of that courtroom, he still has to face the commish. Goodell will tear him a new hole, I guaran-frikkin-tee you. Vick lied straight to his face.
 
HoustonFrog said:
No, SWT claims celebs get breaks in federal court. Ralph Sampson had federal charges put on him for lack of child support and he got jail time. I'm sure people thought he should pay the money and it would go ways. BTW, this is the SAME court and region that Vick was indicted in...one of the toughest.

http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/whitecollarcrime_blog/2005/05/former_basketba.html
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I caught that, but you kinda shouted out
Thank YOU!!!!Sampson on federal child support charges.
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, like it was an answer to a trivial pursuit question that you missed... nevermind.



Anyway, back to topic another 'athlete' that spent time in prison was Mercury Morris to add to that list
 
swtbound07 said:
i like watching vick play football. dont' really care much about dogs. Seems pretty cut and dry to me. And if you think there won't be one vick fan on that jury just like me, your insane. I don't care what he did. it doesn't matter.
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I'll put it this way. Humans are very egocentric in their thinking for the most part when it comes to lives as in human life is valued far above anything else. When put up the spectrum in i would venture the defense would use a similar approach to the matter. Not saying its right or i agree with it. Because i do think it'd a sad commentary on how warped we've devolved to having fellow sentient beings fight each other to the death for our amusement.

I am however a bit astonished that someone made a positive remark about PETA seeing as the type is usually admonished here.
 
HoustonFrog said:
No, SWT claims celebs get breaks in federal court. Ralph Sampson had federal charges put on him for lack of child support and he got jail time. I'm sure people thought he should pay the money and it would go ways. BTW, this is the SAME court and region that Vick was indicted in...one of the toughest.

http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/whitecollarcrime_blog/2005/05/former_basketba.html
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So I guess we're not talking about some white collar resort prison. No, no, no! We're talking about federal POUND ME IN THE @$$ prison!

michael_bolton.jpg
 
HoustonFrog said:
:gun: AGAIN, one just hangs the jury for a mistrial. They can then prosecute again. It does not exonerrate him. So you really think he will want to take his chances again. He plays with the Feds and deals or they try him again probably. SWT told us it was in the bag that Carr was back, so I'll take my chances with him getting his wish here. His only hope is that a deal lets him throw himself on their mercy and he is under their grips for years. If they don't convicet him it won't be because of a Vick fan, it will be because they think that he had no involvement while owning the house.
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Well this trial(s) is going to cost a multipul millions to execute. If they keep getting hung juries, and with the recent incidendts comming out of California trials, one should hope that these guys could see the writting on the wall. At some point they will cut their losses. And yes, it's sad to be this cynical that multipul hung juries under over whelming evidence is a true proposition in an american court room. But , those are the facts in america to day. It is more improtant to be politically correct than to confront the truth. He won't throw himself on the mercy of the court. He does that the NFL is gone and so is the contract. If they don't convict him it means jurors igonred the facts and avoided voir dire.
 
Mr. White said:
So I guess we're not talking about some white collar resort prison. No, no, no! We're talking about federal POUND ME IN THE @$$ prison!
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yup he is going to go into prison as Michael Vick but don't be surprised if he comes out walking bowlegged named Antoine or Bruce or Trixie.
 
threetoedpete said:
Well this trial(s) is going to cost a multipul millions to execute. If they keep getting hung juries, and with the recent incidendts comming out of California trials, one should hope that these guys could see the writting on the wall. At some point they will cut their losses. And yes, it's sad to be this cynical that multipul hung juries under over whelming evidence is a true proposition in an american court room. But , those are the facts in america to day. It is more improtant to be politically correct than to confront the truth. He won't throw himself on the mercy of the court. He does that the NFL is gone and so is the contract. If they don't convict him it means jurors igonred the facts and avoided voir dire.
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or he is INNOCENT...but don't let that stand in your way of yoru presumption of guilt.
 
Texan_Bill said:
I caught that, but you kinda shouted out , like it was an answer to a trivial pursuit question that you missed... nevermind.



Anyway, back to topic another 'athlete' that spent time in prison was Mercury Morris to add to that list
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Frustration my man..lol
 
swtbound07 said:
or he is INNOCENT...but don't let that stand in your way of yoru presumption of guilt.
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Why do you care if he is innocent or not, according to you he should walk just because he's fun to watch on Sunday (and I'm assuming it's fun to watch him rush the ball, he's passing is down right hideous to watch at times. Oh but my bad that's his reciever's fault...Vick can do no wrong inyour eyes, right?)
 
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