Kiper Grades the Texans at C-

[DBCooper]

"Who the hell is Mel Kiper?!!" (Classic quote)

Okoye was the best player period at number 10. And we can use him.
Both "Blue Chip" (if that really means anything) LT's gone by the time we picked.

Our #2 pick was Schaub. (or at least half of a Schaub)

Our #3 was probably best used on WR over CB or FS.

The bottom line is, we will not get any respect until we start winning football games. Then 20/20 hindsight will kick in and the Texans brain trust will look like genius's.

 

[swtbound07]

You know what espn spent most of monday morning doing? Absolutely ripping the Miami dolphins for taking ted ginn jr., and passing on golden boy brady quinn because uberscout Mel Kiper had him slotted there. Guess what guys? Nfl teams don't let mel come into their draft rooms and look at their boards. Guess what guys? If you stare at the bottom line for mel's "best available" Those players linger in the greenroom and at home waiting for calls for HOURS. Who gives a crap what kiper thinks? It's funny to me, because i get tiny tidbits of random information, and i heard a commentator repeat some of it on sunday. I happen to know for 100 percent fact that on the arizona cardinals draft board, they had levi brown graded higher than joe thomas. Kiper spent most of his time on Mike and Mike monday ripping the cardinals for "reaching" on brown, and not selecting adrian peterson since joe thomas was gone. Kiper says things that are blatant lies, and never gets called on it. Kiper says if thomas was there at 5 the cardinals were taking him. No, no they weren't, they wanted brown. The Dolphins had Ginn graded out as the #2 reciever on their board, and wanted a first round reciever. They took him. Until Kiper gets a real job as a real scout he needs to shut the hell up. Okoye was a better pick at 10 then ANYBODY else available, including pretty boy brady quinn. I don't care where kiper had leon hall going. Leon hall got drafted behind Revis, and a team traded up for revis. What the hell does that say about Kiper's rating ability? It says that NFL teams know better than him, and the sooner they just spend sunday giving us INFORMATION, not opinion about all the draft picks, the better the coverage will be. I don't want longwinded discussions about who should have been taken, I want to know EVERY pick when it happens, and while your waiting on the next pick tell me about the one my team just made. I don't want my teams picks to always happen during commercial break, and I don't want my teams pick at 10 ignored because mel kiper didnt' get his way with the 9 pick. /rant

 

[hadaad]

You know what espn spent most of monday morning doing? Absolutely ripping the Miami dolphins for taking ted ginn jr. (snip snip) while your waiting on the next pick tell me about the one my team just made. I don't want my teams picks to always happen during commercial break, and I don't want my teams pick at 10 ignored because mel kiper didnt' get his way with the 9 pick. /rant

I think it's funny. Mel Kiper has gotten a reputation as a draft guru and I have never seen anything go to anyone's head like that has to his. HIS draft board is ALL. And if someone doesn't adhere to HIS draft board, they're wrong.

I believe that Joe Thomas was rated as the best left tackle in the draft by nearly everybody. Does that mean that the Cardinals would have taken him if he were available? Certainly not. Teams don't go around the league like Kiper seems to, trying to find a consensus. They use their own eyes, their own ear.

I love listening to Kiper and all the other draftniks talk about how much of a reach somebody was. Hey, if he's the guy the team wanted, they didn't reach for anything but the phone. Kiper going off on teams just makes me laugh.

 

[Mr. White]

It's almost more fun to watch the draft to see Kiper miss. I liked what I saw of the ESPN coverage because it looked like Keyshawn was giving him and Mortensen the business.

I'd like to see Meshawn get a permanent job at ESPN now. It looks like his voice is loud enough to completely drown out the blowhards that nobody tries to talk over.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

The difference between Kiper and Bushbaum (sp) is Kiper tries to look the part of a draft guru while Joel was a NFL nerd and he'd say that .

They are both data gatherers but I think Bushbaum also listened to opinions of football people he trusted and had a memory that would'nt quit .

Kiper is a parrot and just repeats what he finds .

 

[Lucky]

I'd like to see Meshawn get a permanent job at ESPN now.

Agreed. Keyshawn is more coherent than the departed Irvin, and would put some life into NFL Countdown. In fact, I'd have him replace Sharpe on the CBS pregame show, as well.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

I go to church with a guy named Mark Spindler but I'm guessing it's not the same guy.

Marc Spindler
Marc Rudolph Spindler
Position: DE/DT/NT
Height: 6' 5'' Weight: 286
Born: 11/28/1969, in West Scranton, PA, USA
High School: West Scranton (PA)
College: Pittsburgh


Regular Season Stats

DEF INTS FUMBLES
Year AGE Team LG GP SK SFY INT YDS LNG TD TOT OWR OPR YDS TD
1990 20 DET NFL 3 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1991 21 DET NFL 16 3.5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
1992 22 DET NFL 13 2.5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1993 23 DET NFL 16 2.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0
1994 24 DET NFL 9 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1995 25 NYJ NFL 10 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1996 26 NYJ NFL 15 0.5 0 1 -1 -1 0 0 0 1 0 0
1997 27 DET NFL 10 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1998 28 DET NFL 15 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
9 NFL Season Totals 107 9.5 0 1 -1 0 0 0 0 4 0 0

 

[hadaad]

Definitely not the same guy. The guy I know is 140 soaking wet and maybe 23 years old.

Probably would be more productive at DT, though.

 

[Mr. White]

Agreed. Keyshawn is more coherent than the departed Irvin, and would put some life into NFL Countdown. In fact, I'd have him replace Sharpe on the CBS pregame show, as well.

Love him or hate him, he's good TV. I've never laughed so much during a draft show (or any NFL show) than watching him take on those windbags. Nobody else ever takes those guys to task. They just let 'em rant.

 

[Double Barrel]

The difference between Kiper and Bushbaum (sp) is Kiper tries to look the part of a draft guru while Joel was a NFL nerd and he'd say that .

They are both data gatherers but I think Bushbaum also listened to opinions of football people he trusted and had a memory that would'nt quit .

Kiper is a parrot and just repeats what he finds .

No doubt. JB seemed like a really nice guy and someone that you'd love to chat with over a cup of java.

Kiper seems like an arrogant asshat, and it appears to me that it's a personality flaw. I can't stand the guy and he makes me turn away from ESPN's football coverage.

And I am 100% convinced that Kiper hates the Houston Texans.

 

[hadaad]

Asshat. HAW HAW.

There must be something to Kiper, though. He still has his job and he basically popularized the whole draftnik thing. I like the draft more now than I did ten years ago, and it's probably largely due to him.

 

[The1ApplePie]

No doubt. JB seemed like a really nice guy and someone that you'd love to chat with over a cup of java.

Kiper seems like an arrogant asshat, and it appears to me that it's a personality flaw. I can't stand the guy and he makes me turn away from ESPN's football coverage.

And I am 100% convinced that Kiper hates the Houston Texans.

McShay looks like this frat boy that didn't have the ****s to say anything to my face, so he spit in my girlfriend's face instead.

Though, in the draft coverage, I did like Steve Young going off on random panelists. By about hour 3, you could tell he thought about sucker punching Keyshawn.

 

[klingonscum]

For what it's worth...

Kiper and a lot of other people have smacked the Texans around for "not addressing their Offensive Line problems" with this draft. I don't think that's fair because:

1) At #10, both of the first round worthy OTs were off the board. Joe Thomas to the Browns at #3, and Levi Brown to Arizona (I thought Brown might get down to us if Arizona traded down; I didn't think they'd go for him that high). The only other OT who went in the first round was Joe Staley, who went #28th, and everybody would have screamed had they passed on Okoye for a guy ranked that much lower on everyone's draft board. I'm not going to say "they could have drafted down" because there's no way to really know that; the only team pestering them for the pick was Cleveland when Miami passed on Quinn.

2) Ben Grubbs was the only first rounder guard, and it's pretty arguable that the only reason he went to Baltimore way down at #29 was they had a real need at the position.

3) We essentially spent our #2 pick for a starting QB. You really can't fault that. If you argue "they shouldn't have got rid of Carr in the first place", you're not talking about the draft. I'll say it again - they got a starting QB with their #2 pick, and one who, unlike Russell, Quinn, or any of the other QBs, has actually had some NFL starting experience. Hardly any, and it was a mixed bag, but most of the talking heads like to say holding a clipboard for at least a year makes a better QB, and Schaub's done that.

4) I wasn't happy with the Texans 2nd pick; the two guys I was hoping would be there for the O-line were gone already: Ryan Harris and James Marten. Henderson doesn't do it for me. They passed on Michael Bush though, and that irritated me - they've got 5 RBs under contract right now, the starter (Green) is an old fogey, two (Dayne/Gado) are journeymen/busts, two (Lundy/Taylor) are second year guys who couldn't beat out the journeymen/busts for the starting role last year. Bush is injured, but healthy he was the second best back in the draft. Or, they could have gone for Allen Barbre - a guy who's only flaw seems to be technique at this point, and can play Guard and Tackle. A bit of a reach with this high of a pick though...

5) Fred Bennett was an excellent 3rd pick in the 4th round. They needed a starting cover corner (for proof, go back and watch Faggins in the Buffalo game last year), although I'd've preferred that he be a little better against the run.

I graded them out at a B- for acquiring two for sure starters in the draft in Schaub and Okoye and a decent prospect to start with Bennett. The rest of the draft were depth prospects. But they definitely need a good #2 wide-out, a possession guy with good hands and blocking skills, to free up Andre to be Andre.

--KS