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2007 NFL Draft Day One Thread

RTP2110 said:
I dunno much about Jones, maybe you guys can fill me in. I wanted a secondary player.
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Jones was brought into Houston for a workout and Kubes raved on him during an interview. He got the guy he wanted.

More of a possession guy from what I know someone who will compliment AJ very nicely.
 
Marcus said:
Here's the profile on Jacoby Jones
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Positives: Worked hard before the 2006 season to add needed bulk to his frame, putting on an additional 17 pounds without it affecting his overall quickness … Has exceptionally long arms and excellent leaping ability to consistently win jump-ball battles … Has a tight waist, good hip snap, well-developed thighs and calves … Spent considerable time in the coaches' office before the 2006 season reviewing game film and working on his route running technique, showing much better ability to get off the line of scrimmage as a senior than he did in the past … Long strider who has that angular, sprinter's burst, but it is a rapid stride with quick feet and excellent change-of-direction agility … Elusive runner after the catch who shows good effort to compete for the ball in a crowd (was much more physical attacking the ball in 2006 than in previous seasons) … Has improved his strength needed to break tackles and flashes explosive game speed … Is sometimes late off the snap, but it is more a timing rather than a speed issue, as he has the ability to explode out of his stance, but must be conscious of the pre-snap … Uses his long reach and hand punch to defeat the jam and also has the quickness and burst to force defensive backs to come out of their backpedal too early … Runs crisp routes, keeping his pad level down to square in his patterns and has the spin moves needed to turn around and frustrate his coverage assignment … Has the feet and plant-and-drive agility to separate instantly on his cuts … Runs posts and slants well and understands stems, sticks and level, but still needs to work on showing more consistency in transition … Quick to locate the soft areas on the field to sit down in and finds seams and avoids defenders well in the open … Showed improvement in adjusting on the quarterback scramble and has the second gear needed to elude after the catch … Separates out of his breaks cleanly and can run past his opponent on deep routes (must improve transition cuts, though) … When he keeps his pads down and head on a swivel, he can turn on the afterburners to turn a short pass into a big gain … Has very small hands that could be a concern, but knows how to extend and catch outside the framework … Learned how to set up his moves and ride up on the defender better in attempts to separate during 2006 … Alert to the quarterback scramble and works back to the ball quickly … Times his leaps well to go after jump balls and has the body control needed along with the slide to catch the ball in his frame … Has improved his strength to the point that he can consistently run through arm tackles, showing the savvy moves needed to elude … Willing blocker who still needs technique refinement, but gives effort and knows how to use his frame to shield defenders from the ball … Must be more patient waiting for blocks to develop, but has that explosive straight-line burst to consistently be a threat on returns … Has also proven to be a capable kick blocker … His field awareness and vision greatly improved in 2006, as he had only four passes deflected by the opposition, compared to 25 the previous season.

Negatives: Has improved his overall strength, but needs to develop a stronger hand punch, as he tends to get good placement, but lacks power when trying to punch and lock out the defender as a blocker … Will compete for the ball in a crowd, but could be much tougher working his way to the ball … Has excellent quickness, but sometimes takes a rolling start off the snap, making him late to get into his route progression … Needs to improve his ball concentration when working in close quarters, as he tends to hear the defender's feet and the result is he will not always come down with the ball … Has very small hands, but worked hard to use his long arms and utilizes a finger-grab technique to secure the ball (lets the ball into his fingers rather than the palm of his hand) … Shows good urgency to separate on short routes, but sometimes gets turned trying to look the ball in over his outside shoulder on deep throws … Needs to maintain position and shoot his hands quicker when asked to block along the line … His small hands and lapse in concentration have led to several costly fumbles in recent years (eight of nine fumbles recovered by the opposition) and he needs to secure the ball better before turning up field.

Compares To: Kassim Osgood, San Diego Chargers … Much like the Chargers' special teams standout, Jones will need time to develop at the next level, but there is no question that the athletic talent is there … Even though he played vs. lesser competition, he continued to show progress throughout his career … He has only five years of football experience, so he will need time to grasp the playbook, but in the interim, he can bring instant value as a return specialist … He could be this year's second-day draft steal.
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Sounds like a good deal
 
Specnatz said:
He also knows we do not have a #2 WR ... for your info, thank you very much!!
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I just think Kevin Walters and Andre Davis are a better #2 WR than Petey Faggins is a #2 cornerback or CC Brown as our FS. We're also paying Kevin Walters $1.5 million to be a #3 WR. A little steep.

It's also a pattern of the Texans neglecting the secondary. DRob is the only first day secondary pick in Texans history.
 
I would have rather had an offensive lineman or a CB or FS here, but, this kid looks pretty good. For missing the 2nd round, I think the Texans did pretty good today. I have no complaints at all.
 
GTFan said:
I just think Kevin Walters and Andre Davis are a better #2 WR than Petey Faggins is a #2 cornerback or CC Brown as our FS. We're also paying Kevin Walters $1.5 million to be a #3 WR. A little steep.

It's also a pattern of the Texans neglecting the secondary. DRob is the only first day secondary pick in Texans history.
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I'm not too worried about the secondary. I think that they're better than their stats show.

It usually takes defenses a long time to adjust to a system change. Not to mention the QB couldn't keep them off the field.
 
GTFan said:
I just think Kevin Walters and Andre Davis are a better #2 WR than Petey Faggins is a #2 cornerback or CC Brown as our FS. We're also paying Kevin Walters $1.5 million to be a #3 WR. A little steep.

It's also a pattern of the Texans neglecting the secondary. DRob is the only first day secondary pick in Texans history.
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I agree they need to adress it but CB was not as deep as WR in this draft. It is not a one year fix on this team so I think they looked at all the positions of need versus BPA and CB would not help this year if not for a couple years so why not take someone who can help how.
 
GTFan said:
I just think Kevin Walters and Andre Davis are a better #2 WR than Petey Faggins is a #2 cornerback or CC Brown as our FS. We're also paying Kevin Walters $1.5 million to be a #3 WR. A little steep.

It's also a pattern of the Texans neglecting the secondary. DRob is the only first day secondary pick in Texans history.
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We made the secondary better today by taking Okoye. But was it enough? Kubiak stated dozens of times last year that he thought the secondary was "fine".
 
from nfldraftguys.com

13 Jacoby Jones Lane College 6'3" 210 lbs.
Jones "show me" tour through the pre-draft activities had another successful stop at the combine. He continues to prove himself as a fast, quick, and tough WR in addition to having the long, lean frame that translates well at the next level. Jacoby held his own in the drills, including the gauntlet, at Indy, and has become of the worst kept secrets in the draft.

NFL Comparison: Troy Williamson Minus a Gear and Speed Setting but with Hand-Eye Coordination

Listen to the talk with Jacoby at the Shrine Game.
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Good news: ESPN had Kubiak on for a few minutes, and they had a lot of good things to say about the team's direction and draft last year.

Bad news: It's looking more and more like we're going to start next season with Brown and Earl at the safties again.
 
Can y'all stop whining about the secondary?

Like wonger said, Kubes thinks the secondary is fine, it's the lack of a pass rush that's making the secondary look bad. Drafting Akoye has made the secondary better.
 
Marcus said:
Can y'all stop whining about the secondary?

Like wonger said, Kubes thinks the secondary is fine, it's the lack of a pass rush that's making the secondary look bad. Drafting Akoye has made the secondary better.
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So you are good with CC Brown and Glen Earl at Saftey? They are a liability and we have done nothing in the last two drafts in the secondary. Fine is not good enough. Fine has kicked our arse for many years.
 
I truly hope Jones ends up our #2 this year, but all signs point to a big project. Jason Hill seems to be a much proven polished product that would contribute this year, not 1-2 years from now.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
So you are good with CC Brown and Glen Earl at Saftey? They are a liability and we have done nothing in the last two drafts in the secondary. Fine is not good enough. Fine has kicked our arse for many years.
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You can only fix so many mistakes of the past regim in one draft.
 
Will Jacoby Jones even be able to start this year? He sounds young and inexperienced to me. It sounded like Rick Smith said he probably won't even start at WR for another year or two, and that dissapoints me, cause we need help now.
 
Marcus said:
Can y'all stop whining about the secondary?

Like wonger said, Kubes thinks the secondary is fine, it's the lack of a pass rush that's making the secondary look bad. Drafting Akoye has made the secondary better.
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i agree, we cant fix everything in 1 yr.
what do you take: a guy you feel can be a quality #2 wr for the next few yrs...or a guy thats you feel is an upgrade but isnt the long-term answer at fs/cb
 
Kaiser Toro said:
So you are good with CC Brown and Glen Earl at Saftey? They are a liability and we have done nothing in the last two drafts in the secondary. Fine is not good enough. Fine has kicked our arse for many years.
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We're not going to plug all the holes in one season, KT.
 
dickieb said:
Will Jacoby Jones even be able to start this year? He sounds young and inexperienced to me. It sounded like Rick Smith said he probably won't even start at WR for another year or two, and that dissapoints me, cause we need help now.
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And what 3rd rounder could you get that would "help right now"? Be realistic.
 
The issue is that Kubiak is almost through his second off season and has gone through a draft, FA and the first day of 2007 and has done nothing at Safety. It is not just about this draft.

Maybe he is comfortable with Roc Alexander, Chris McKenzie or Fletcher moving into CB2 and messing with Faggins at FS. Maybe that is the plan. Just as I do not expect Spencer to be up to form next year and bring in Black at LT how can we rely on our current crop of guys to be ready?

We have addressed two needs today in DT and WR/ST, there is nothing wrong with what we have done today in my opinion.
 
I agree that our defensive secondardy needs help, but I also agree that a improved defensive line will take some the pressure off the secondary.

But most of all I agree with those that keep saying you can't plug all the holes in one draft. There's always tomorrow, and who knows, sometimes you can actually pick up some talent in the 4th round. Probably not anyone that will start, but at least add a bit of debth to the team, which we sadly lack.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
The issue is that Kubiak is almost through his second off season and has gone through a draft, FA and the first day of 2007 and has done nothing at Safety. It is not just about this draft.

Maybe he is comfortable with Roc Alexander, Chris McKenzie or Fletcher moving into CB2 and messing with Faggins at FS. Maybe that is the plan. Just as I do not expect Spencer to be up to form next year and bring in Black at LT how can we rely on our current crop of guys to be ready?

We have addressed two needs today in DT and WR/ST, there is nothing wrong with what we have done today in my opinion.
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we've not exactly been using luxury picks on kr etc...
 
I think we hit the secondary in the 4th round. John Wendling is available, and on this team, can start at FS day one. Good first day considering our 2 picks. We can't possibly hit all of our needs, and Jones is a two way threat at WR and KR. Mathis is injury prone, immature, and won't ever be a real contributor at WR. We just solved all of that! I like that pick.

Now, let's get Wendling, who I think would be a great pick in round 4 (or whomever they like. I trust this staff unlike the last one)

Great first day Texans, and I for one am excited. :texflag:
 
Kaiser Toro said:
The issue is that Kubiak is almost through his second off season and has gone through a draft, FA and the first day of 2007 and has done nothing at Safety. It is not just about this draft.

Maybe he is comfortable with Roc Alexander, Chris McKenzie or Fletcher moving into CB2 and messing with Faggins at FS. Maybe that is the plan. Just as I do not expect Spencer to be up to form next year and bring in Black at LT how can we rely on our current crop of guys to be ready?

We have addressed two needs today in DT and WR/ST, there is nothing wrong with what we have done today in my opinion.
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Again . . . you're not going to plug all the holes in on season. It isn't like we're on the brink of playoff contention.
 
GTFan said:
Jonathan Wade, CB, Tennessee or D Hughes, CB Cal, would start from day 1 for the Texans.
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Neither one of those guys could step right in. They'd get burned so bad, you'd be crying for them be benched. There's good reasons why they are still around in the 3rd round. They got issues. CBs are not deep in this draft. WRs are.
 
So far, so good.

Jones sounds as if he is a good pick - he will just need a little more coaching and a bit more work - but he should be able to be the return guy if not #2 WR this year. He appears to be willing to work at it and that is more than half the battle right there. Mathis might want to dust off his resume, I don't think he will be around very much longer.

I'm looking forward to the next rounds. I have a feeling that Smith and Kubiak will pull a rabbit or 2 out of their collective hats. They make a good team.

We should be in for a fun ride!
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Marcus said:
Neither one of those guys could step right in. They'd get burned so bad, you'd be crying for them be benched. There's good reasons why they are still around in the 3rd round. They got issues. CBs are not deep in this draft. WRs are.
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Drob got burned a lot too the first half of his rookie year. I'm willing to give a DB some time. But, instead, we'll just continue to start a 6th round pick as our #2 instead of a 3rd round one.

I mean, I really hope Jones works out. I swallow my pride on almost a daily basis.
 
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