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Trade down is offical

Honoring Earl 34 said:
Well ... I'm hoping our luck is changing .

How about this Denver wants to play hardball . San Fran really wants Willis and says we'll give you a third to swap from 10 to 11 so we can take him .

At 11 Peterson is still there and you get another offer ... what do you do ?
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I just heard Neal Statton say on 610am that the 9ers are trying to move up to get Calvin Johnson since they have 10 picks...so they may be aiming higher than us.
 
Over the next 19 hours more and more rumors will be coming out. as far as making rumors public it is simple, if there is another team that covets a player that say Denver wants they may offer a better deal. I do not want to trade down to the 21 pick because of the players I like, but I know a lot would not be oppossed to drafting Khalil and I think he would still be there.

crunk you bash everything to do with the Texans so far, and you really do not know anything about the trade of Schaub until you see him play. To say Smith got fleeced before he plays a down for the Texans is a little obserd.
 
Specnatz said:
To say Smith got fleeced before he plays a down for the Texans is a little obserd.
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As are the "the Texans got screwed again" before:

1) the trade and its parameters are even official

2) we see what players we get in those spots

3) seeing how those players perform on the field.

But, I understand some people can't help jerking their knees, so carry on.
 
Here's a rumor about the rumor of us trading. Got this from one of the guys at work.

"POSTED 4:02 p.m. EDT, April 27, 2007
REPORT OF TEXANS-BRONCOS TRADE NOT TRUE
There's a report on a web site that posts football new snippets in small blurbs with even smaller fonts that used to get a lot more traffic than us (but no longer does) stating that the Broncos have consummated a trade with the Texans for a flip-flop of the No. 10 and No. 21 pick in the draft.
But Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the report is false, and that the Broncos and Texans have not had a single serious discussion about swapping picks.
Schefter also says that the Broncos would never do a deal like this before the draft. That makes sense to us, since the purpose of moving up would be to get a specific guy who might or might not be there when the higher pick is used."

Here's the link: http://www.profootballtalk.com/

I can't check it due to filters at work.
 
WaywardTexanFan said:
http://www.eastcoastsportsnews.com/2007draft.html

The reported trade between the Broncos and Texans won't be finalized (if it goes through) until the Texans are on the clock.
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That would make sense too. You hardly ever hear of any trades that involve 1st or 2nd round picks made the day or two before a draft. And the only time they do happen is when it revolves around a restricted free agent (Matt Schuab and maybe Michael Turner).
 
infantrycak said:
Folks--don't get too bent on value right now. Remember how many times the reports changed on the compensation for Schaub? If it is real at all it may change more than once in the reporting.
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my thoughts exactly...some people take the value chart as gospel but not me.. im plenty happy with dropping 11 spots for a 2nd...

hoping for a 1st day of reggie nelson, eric wright and jacoby jones/other wr:splits:

agreed with porky about this making the schaub deal look like a steal
 
Porky said:
As are the "the Texans got screwed again" before:

1) the trade and its parameters are even official

2) we see what players we get in those spots

3) seeing how those players perform on the field.

But, I understand some people can't help jerking their knees, so carry on.
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Well, when one looks at our franchises traditional performance at this time of year (draft time) I find it very understandable when people get all Chicken Little about Texans moves. Sure it's a new administration and I'm trying to be as optimistic as I can be but the moment I heard about a deal being done I had a sinking feeling in my stomach. It's just what I expect out of this team. A pooch-screw.

I'll be glad when they post 3-4 solid drafts that are free of glaring boneheaded moves so I can get over this yearly feeling of dread.
 
Hervoyel said:
Well, when one looks at our franchises traditional performance at this time of year (draft time) I find it very understandable when people get all Chicken Little about Texans moves. Sure it's a new administration and I'm trying to be as optimistic as I can be but the moment I heard about a deal being done I had a sinking feeling in my stomach. It's just what I expect out of this team. A pooch-screw.

I'll be glad when they post 3-4 solid drafts that are free of glaring boneheaded moves so I can get over this yearly feeling of dread.
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Would you call the Schaub deal the Texans getting fleeced? That is what crunk keeps saying over and over. also a knee jerk reaction to any trade before it actually goes down, is more like something a New York fan would do.
 
infantrycak said:
Folks--don't get too bent on value right now. Remember how many times the reports changed on the compensation for Schaub? If it is real at all it may change more than once in the reporting.
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I agree with you that the value may not be as reported, but actually that scares me. The Schaub trade ended up being more expensive than what was first suspected or reported IIRC...
 
Specnatz said:
Would you call the Schaub deal the Texans getting fleeced? That is what crunk keeps saying over and over. also a knee jerk reaction to any trade before it actually goes down, is more like something a New York fan would do.
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I don't know if the Schaub deal was a case of the Texans getting fleeced. I know that my initial reaction was that we paid too much for him but I've been a Texans fan since before there were any actual Texans so at this stage I don't really know if I can safely follow my initial reactions anymore.

A knee-jerk reaction to any trade before it actually goes down (in the case of our beloved Houston Texans) is more like a conditioned response based on past events than some kind of regional malady from New York.
 
Hervoyel said:
I don't know if the Schaub deal was a case of the Texans getting fleeced. I know that my initial reaction was that we paid too much for him but I've been a Texans fan since before there were any actual Texans so at this stage I don't really know if I can safely follow my initial reactions anymore.

A knee-jerk reaction to any trade before it actually goes down (in the case of our beloved Houston Texans) is more like a conditioned response based on past events than some kind of regional malady from New York.
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I feel your pain Herv, but it's a new day. While keeping in mind that every front office makes mistakes, what in particular can you point to with the Smith/Kubes combo that makes you so aprehensive?
 
Specnatz said:
Would you call the Schaub deal the Texans getting fleeced?
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There were some around the league that did, at the time. The thinking was that Schaub's trade value might go down around the draft because the Falcons would be backed into a corner to get value for Matt before he became an UFA in '08. But you know what? If the Texans had waited until the draft to make a move on Schaub, they'd be out of luck. No way the Falcons deal Schaub after Ron Mexico's recent faux pas.

Rick Smith said on the 610 interview that he didn't know "this guy" (meaning Stratton). It sounded like Smith wanted to say "I don't know this guy, but when I find him, he's getting a beatdown." I think the leak must have come from the Bronco side. I know the alleged trade terms favored the Broncos. With only so many blue chippers available, it would seem the team trading up would be paying a premium price.

And Porky, let's not go to the "Have you even seen this guy play?" card. That's weak. Stick with the facts and your observations when debating the prospects.
 
I'm late to this thread, and to be honest, didn't read all the posts in it. But if I am understanding the rumor correctly, we swapped postitions in the 1st round with Denver, and picked up their 2nd round pick.

If that is true, we got screwed in value.

If we also get their 3rd round pick, Denver is slightly screwed on value.

If we also get their 4th round pick (instead of the 3rd), we get slightly screwed on the value.

Just my two cents worth here.
 
Hervoyel said:
Well, when one looks at our franchises traditional performance at this time of year (draft time) I find it very understandable when people get all Chicken Little about Texans moves. Sure it's a new administration and I'm trying to be as optimistic as I can be but the moment I heard about a deal being done I had a sinking feeling in my stomach. It's just what I expect out of this team.
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Well, this administration did take Mario Williams with the 1st pick. That funny feeling in your stomach should probably hang around.
 
Thorn said:
I'm late to this thread, and to be honest, didn't read all the posts in it. But if I am understanding the rumor correctly, we swapped postitions in the 1st round with Denver, and picked up their 2nd round pick.

If that is true, we got screwed in value.

If we also get their 3rd round pick, Denver is slightly screwed on value.

If we also get their 4th round pick (instead of the 3rd), we get slightly screwed on the value.

Just my two cents worth here.
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Well, since you're late, I'll repeat what I said earlier. In THIS draft, as weak as it is, EVERYONE wants to trade down, so you'll have to take less on the value chart to get someone to trade up. Throw the value chart out the window.

There's not anything to this rumor anyway. I firmly believe Smith will wait until he's on the clock before he pulls the trigger on anything. I'm just curious what he and Kubes will do if Peterson falls to his spot.

BTW, nice avatar there, Srgt. Saunders
 
This is the first draft that our new GM and new coach make their own decisions. What they do will indicate our future and the direction of the team. If nothing else, we will get a glimpse of the future here.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
KFFL tends to not have to retract to many stories, profootballtalk they are not. I'd put money on kffl being right about this.
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kffl is nothing more than a clearinghouse of information reported by others when it comes to this kind of stuff. They have no unique insight or inside information into anything, although their geek squad does a fabulous job scouring various sources for news and posting it on their web pages in timely manner. They are good because they tend to focus their content on legit media sources and not rumor/speculation. I wouldn't consider ITL a legit media source - unless this comes true before midnight since Stratton basically said it was going to happen today.

I visited ITL because I've never heard of it. The first thing I see is the statement "You heard it hear first..." Impressive. And I don't think it was a play on words.

Rick Smith was on with Marc and Rich right after Stratton and Smith basicaly did a "who the hell is Mel Kiper," when asked if he knew Stratton.

It could very well happen tomorrow and ITL can still claim victory with their 'story' but in reality the talk about Denver and Houston making a draft day trade had already begun a few days ago.

The only thing original that kffl adds to the info they summarize into the vignettes on their website are the headlines, which are often misleading themselves. kffl is good since it's a one stop shop for player and team info, but they don't ever break news. They 'report' it as it's being reported elsewhere.
 
If the trade goes through we still could end up with

1) OT- J. Staley or LB -J. Beason
Be nice if WR- R Meachem were available here.

2) CB- T. Jackson, CB- D. Hughes or S.- E Weddle
All areas of need.

Thats if you believe the 'experts' projections.

Here's hoping RB- L. Booker falls to the third round.:excited:


Would this work?


:coffee:
 
TexanSam said:
That would make sense too. You hardly ever hear of any trades that involve 1st or 2nd round picks made the day or two before a draft. And the only time they do happen is when it revolves around a restricted free agent (Matt Schuab and maybe Michael Turner).
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Stratton said in the sportsradio 610 report that he thought the deal would happen today. Which made me say huh?

The only scenario I can think of where that might make any sense at all is that there were some reports out of Denver that Shanahan had to have Calvin Johnson, but that Detroit would trade down lower than 10. Even so, I find it hard to believe that Denver could give Houston what it would need to go to 10 and still have enough to go to 2. And this of course assumes the Raiders don't take Johnson at 1.
 
cuppacoffee said:
If the trade goes through we still could end up with

1) OT- J. Staley or LB -J. Beason
Be nice if WR- R Meachem were available here.

2) CB- T. Jackson, CB- D. Hughes or S.- E Weddle
All areas of need.

Thats if you believe the 'experts' projections.

Here's hoping RB- L. Booker falls to the third round.:excited:


Would this work?


:coffee:
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They take a WR or another position other than RB in the third.
 
Specnatz said:
They take a WR or another position other than RB in the third.
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We do need another WR, but Booker will quiet all the bashing :yap from the media about us passing R. Bush. Green will probably be a one year player for us, and I think Booker will have a better career than R. Bush.

Who knows, maybe one of the young backs from last years roster will step up..idonno:

:coffee:
 
cuppacoffee said:
That would work for me too...I'm of the opinion that Rice will be gone by the time we pick.

Rice would be the vertical threat we need.

:coffee:
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I participated in a mock draft that went to three rounds.

In that mock, the Texans got Craig Davis in the third round. Tons of WRs in this draft.
 
Their are too many good players still available for this to be a bad trade. I like it much better than the MS deal. In this one, Houston is moving out of the bazillion-dollar player range, but still getting a great player. In addition, the Texans are getting two chances to score rather than one. If that weren't enough good news, I also like the idea of it not coming down to a Levi vs. Landry vs. Adrianne pick, with Houston being the loser no matter what. Here, the Texans could (potentially) draft Staley, Kalil, Jarrett, Nelson, and still make a great impact. I think of all the players left, though, I am swaying towards Nelson. Oh, well. Less than 24 hours till we find out!

:doot:
 
Thorn said:
This is the first draft that our new GM and new coach make their own decisions. What they do will indicate our future and the direction of the team. If nothing else, we will get a glimpse of the future here.
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It's good to see you back Thorn! Haven't seen Apple Pie yet...
 
I hope Rick Smith wouldn't make a trade before the draft, the FO took the suspense out of last year's draft and I hated it! (not that we took Mario, but that they "let the cat out of the bag" the night before)
 
Even though the rumor had been floating around for several days, it may or may not go through depending on who is available at 10.
I am just glad it is finally draft day, after the sorry drafts in the past, and the really good draft last year (hopefully that was not a fluke) this should actually be fun to watch unfold.
I hope they do trade down and get more picks, we still have holes to fill all over the place. I am going to be positive and believe that this staff will not pull a PBuc fiasco, but will actually get us good players that will help us be a winning team.

Go TEXANS ! ! !
 
Without going into if we should have drafted Mario or not last season and even taking him out of the equation, we had a great draft last season. IF we are able to get Staley or a DB or WR with the 21st pick and then turn around and go the other way with the 56th pick and go either WR or DB we SHOULD be able to end up with a solid first day of the draft.
 
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

I love these idiots in the media that try to be on top of everything.

Everyone knows you gotta wait till draft day if you don't have the #1 overall. As soon as ATL selected Anderson I knew Okoye would be a Texan. this is sweet. i love when the media reports stuff as true and its not. hahaha
 
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