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Amobi Okoye workout details

Branch will be a bust...mark it down..(he has Travis Johnson written all over his forehead...translation: Lazy)..

And as far as Okoye...I think hes overrated, and is getting credit because he finished college at 19 or whatever...

I dont know how Good he'll be...but you cant tell me a 19 year old will step in the NFL, and Beast grown men..

He might be good sometime, but to me Okoye is a project..

and as a Texan fan...I'm tired of "projects"...we should stop worrying about the upside..hell bring 4 years from now..and start worrying about WINNING NOW

Lets face it...Our defense is no Baltimore, Pittsburgh, or Chicago...they could afford..to draft someone like Okoye, and let him develop..3 years or whatever

But back into reality...OUR DEFENSE was one of the WORST in the league...

We need INSTANT help...If you think Zgnoia, Clark, or Barber is going to deeply impact out D, then you're delusional

We need someone like Nelson, Landry, or Willis...someone who will step in like Demeco Did and Improve out defense...

Just imagine if we drafted Landry or Nelson...we could move CC Back to his natural SS position, and this will serve as a dominoe affect and improve our defense all across the board..

In conclusion..

We need help NOW, I want to win NOW, and I want a beastly defense NOW
 
infantrycak said:
No, replying to someone that made 3-4 arguments as if they said draft a player just because he is younger is what is ridiculous.
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Well call me crazy but his main arguements are based on stats (really not that important for a DT, especially considering it would be very hard for Branch to have a great game statistically when he had Harris & Woodley on his team) and his age.

I think it is great that Okoye will be a 20 year old in the NFL. He is a talented player also. But I wouldnt draft him over Branch for that reason alone.
 
bah007 said:
Well call me crazy but his main arguements are based on stats (really not that important for a DT, especially considering it would be very hard for Branch to have a great game statistically when he had Harris & Woodley on his team) and his age.

I think it is great that Okoye will be a 20 year old in the NFL. He is a talented player also. But I wouldnt draft him over Branch for that reason alone.
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So I'll ask again....WHY Branch over Okoye. If stats mean nothing and being 19 years old among 22 year olds means nothing, what does matter? Does showing up overweight and moving like a toad out there count? Cause one of the two achieved that quite nicely.

Someone for Christ's sake give me one bit of logical arguement on how Branch is a better DT. I won't even get into the whole 3 year younger thing....I'm going to ignore it and the growth that will come along (possible physical, but mostly technical) in hopes that at least one poster can provide a shred of reason why Branch should be considered a better prospect from what we know and have seen.

WHY is Branch better?
 
Well Branch is going to be one of the strongest defensive players in the draft. I'm not sure, but I think he did the most bench reps for a DT at the combine. I know that only tells us what we already know. He is going to be a run stuffer.

He is a huge run plugger who reminds me of John Henderson (who I would really love to have on our team).

Granted, its been said that he takes some plays off and that is a problem, but I watched all of Michigan's games last year and I cant remember a play where I noticed him dragging ass.

He is in the backfield disrupting on every single play, and that is a guy that I would want on our team.

I'm not gonna come down on Okoye because I think he is very good, I just think that Branch is going to be better.

And that is my speculation of the situation, which is all the draft really is.
 
bah007 said:
Wow. That is all obviously significant cuz DT's are judged solely on their statline.

Okoye is good, but drafting a player just cuz he is 3 years younger than the guy next to him is just ridiculous.
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bah007 said:
Well Branch is going to be one of the strongest defensive players in the draft. I'm not sure, but I think he did the most bench reps for a DT at the combine. I know that only tells us what we already know. He is going to be a run stuffer.

He is a huge run plugger who reminds me of John Henderson (who I would really love to have on our team).

Granted, its been said that he takes some plays off and that is a problem, but I watched all of Michigan's games last year and I cant remember a play where I noticed him dragging ass.

He is in the backfield disrupting on every single play, and that is a guy that I would want on our team.

I'm not gonna come down on Okoye because I think he is very good, I just think that Branch is going to be better.

And that is my speculation of the situation, which is all the draft really is.
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Wow. His bench press reps are obviously significant (only 3 more than Okeye by the way, yet 30 pounds heavier than him, oh yeah and those 3 extra years of working out) cuz DT's are judged solely on their bench press strength???

LOL. Now you see how stupid you sounded above?? You even make it worse by then inferring that because Branch is a strong DT so he automatically will be a run stopper in the NFL. Its just a given right??

Just really horrible reasoning.

Another one of your points is how he personally reminds you of John Henderson and how we can use John Henderson on this team........seriously....this is good proof?

OK. Amobi Okoye reminds me of a pre-Raider Warren Sapp. And we could use of those. And see because i see that comparison....it makes a better proof than stats...................................................................yeah it is that ridiculous.

Another reason you mentioned is how he is constantly disrupting in the backfield....yet I believe he had 2 QB hurries last year and part of the reason he got that interception was because he was taking the play off and was 5 yards from the QB. Not to mention constantly being in the backfield should equate to at least some type of statistical "proof;.

Congratulations on making it clear for me and everyone else why Okoye>Branch in every possible facet of football.
 
stats for DT's are very insignificant. bench reps are important, but branch did 33 and okoye did 29. hardly a huge difference. okoye bested him in every other drill though.

and they're different players, so...whatever. branch is a stuffer, okoye is a penetrator.
 
kastofsna said:
stats for DT's are very insignificant.
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I can agree they don't mean as much as say, QB stats or RB stats. But to call them very insignificant is foolish. They may not tell the whole story....but they tell a better story than measurables at the combine (which Okoye trounced Branch with as well).

And it isn't just like Okoye barely had better stats than Branch in all aspects of the game....it was significant in every category. And that is comparable. Period.

And Branch's inability to play at a high level against good teams was very apparent as well. Okoye? Came to play and shined in his big games.

kastofsna said:
bench reps are important
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Peppers and Henderson benched 24 reps....Albert Hayneworth - 17 reps. I just picked those two from the 2002 draft. Hardly seems more telling than statistics if you ask me. If not....might as well buy Branch and Okoye tickets to Honolulu next year.
 
they're not comparable...they have different roles. you can't look at adam carriker's sack stats and say "meh he didnt do much this year" because he did all kinds of things on the line, had a lot of responsibilities outside of rushing the passer. michigan's whole defense disappeared in big games, that's a lloyd carr thing.
 
Well then why did Okoye also put up more than twice as many tackles? Branch barely had one a game, and you can go say as much as you want that his job wasn't to make tackles....but I don't care much for having a 6'6" 330 ass sitting on the line taking up space for a LB to finish off for him. We can get that somewhere other than the 10th pick in the draft. A big body to sit on the line. We can get that way lower in the draft if that is what we are looking for.

Not to mention, the last thing we need is our LB's having to fill up the running lanes constantly, when we all know we need as much players out in the secondary as we can. So i'd rather have a DT who can actually shed a lineman and make a play himself.....seems pretty logical to me.

Point is...if Branch is this run stopper....he should have had more than 16 damn tackles all year.
 
JAXwithanX said:
....but I don't care much for having a 6'6" 330 ass sitting on the line taking up space for a LB to finish off for him...
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Yeah.

Ray Lewis has really had a horrible career playing in a defense like that.

Around the league, the Ravens' defense is considered to be really terrible.
 
Do we need a two-gapper? Now that we got rid of Seth Payne, we don't have one on the roster, although Maddox and Dalton did an admirable job of filling in. If Mario can develop into an outside rusher, then I think we'd be better off with a run-stuffer. DeMeco's was at his best penetrating the gaps and struggled a bit with shedding blockers, though I'm sure he'll improve there.
 
bah007 said:
Yeah.

Ray Lewis has really had a horrible career playing in a defense like that.

Around the league, the Ravens' defense is considered to be really terrible.
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Lol. So now we have the Raven's defense.

Not only do we not have their players for a D, we don't run the same style. And we sure as **** don't have an Ed Reed in the secondary to make up for having our LB's constantly having to plug the gaps because our DT's can't ever shed a block and make a tackle themselves.

Our LB's have to stay back on most plays to help out in the secondary....the last thing we need is another monster to sit around and get paid to do a good job of taking up a OL's block and not letting him get to the LB. We need guys with the ability to actually shed that block and make a play. Period.
 
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